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beerlover
02-20-2009, 12:17 PM
would like a positive thread on athlete most likely to surprise on the up side, who is your pre-combine pick that comes in best prepared to impress scouts & NFL teams? defensive/offensive, small school/big school, coming off season ending injury/workout warrior-

Texans have eyes on several who's stock is climbing like DE Robert Ayers (#35) was a 2nd/3rd before Senior Bowl now looking to sneak into the 1st rd. Jarron Gilbert (#59) DE who shined here in Houston @ the east-west Shrine game in front of Texans Kubiak/Smith/Bush he was a 3rd/4th rd grade elevated based on that performance somewhere in 2nd, now with a solid combine could he get into the 1st? But you know me, proverbial stick in the mud, keep it real & consistant with my man Louis Delmas (#64) who flashed NFL FS @ Senior Bowl yet maintains a 2nd/3rd rd. grade? Now he shows why he should be rated as the #1 safety prospect in this class, that usually translates into someones 1st rd. pick.

So to illustrate example (based off NFLSCOUT. COM ratings) for the Texans to select Robert Ayers w/#15th pick his stock elevates up draft board 20 spots, Gilbert 44 spots & Delams 49. Ayers would likely fit a trade down scenero while Gilbert/Delams could be gone by 2nd rd. selection.

Here are a couple examples from the 08 draft-

Joe Flacco #39 drafted 18th +21 (built upon Senior bowl work)
Dustin Keller #45 drafted 30th +15 (blew everyone away @ combine)
Sam Baker #40 drafted 21st +19 (improved stock from Senior Bowl in workouts)
Chris Johnson, RB could not find his ranking before combine but you know before he blistered the 40 setting all time record 4.24 his stock really ascended post combine.

have fun :)

Specnatz
02-20-2009, 12:20 PM
I think Delmas well shoot up the board more than he already has.

BigBull17
02-20-2009, 12:22 PM
Michael Johnson. He will have scary numbers and teams will drool. See also Cushing and the guy who jumped out of the pool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw)

Errant Hothy
02-20-2009, 12:25 PM
Delmas and Matthews.

WolverineFan
02-20-2009, 12:26 PM
Orakpo and Johnson are the two guys that first come to mind. They are both freakish athletes the only difference is one has his head on straight while the other does not.

HOU-TEX
02-20-2009, 12:33 PM
He might not climb into the 1st round, but this dude was a beast before he tore his ACL. Fast as hell for a TE.

Cornelius Ingram TE out of Florida

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2009, 01:03 PM
I doubt it's because of the combine but I think Clay Matthews will sneak into the 20-35 pick range. I see a lot of mocks that still have him as a 3rd/4th rounder.

I could see one of the CBs or maybe Patrick Chung skyrocketing to mid-1st rd range. Say around our selection... MAYBe.

beerlover
02-20-2009, 01:47 PM
this one is in the books. played in Texas vs. Nation. he is a RB 5-11 199 from a small school in Texas Abilene Christian, currently ranked #331. he is gonna bust it in the 40 with one of the combine fastest times. I could see him easily moving up 100+ spots, can you guess his name? :specnatz:

Wolf6151
02-20-2009, 02:11 PM
I have no for an answer to Beerlover, but I predict that Patrick Chung will have a great combine and move into the mid 1st round. Strong possibility that the Texans could take him at #15.

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2009, 02:12 PM
this one is in the books. played in Texas vs. Nation. he is a RB 5-11 199 from a small school in Texas Abilene Christian, currently ranked #331. he is gonna bust it in the 40 with one of the combine fastest times. I could see him easily moving up 100+ spots, can you guess his name? :specnatz:

Bernard Scott? Could actually be a pretty good fit on this offense. Not the pounder we need but if he's there in the late round he's a guy that might take moats place as Slaton's backup

Blake
02-20-2009, 03:32 PM
Orakpo. He will blow people away at the combine. KC will have a hard time not picking him if Curry is gone.

threetoedpete
02-20-2009, 03:39 PM
Michael Johnson. He will have scary numbers and teams will drool. See also Cushing and the guy who jumped out of the pool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw)

Jarron Gilbert. Classic 3-4 end if he can get under five flat.

Another vote for Micheal Johnson. I'm sure his numbers will be unreal. Freakishly unreal. Buyer beware. I'm hoping that's not who John McClain is hinting at for a drop back and draft RDE.

Beatty, the Uconn OLT gained fifteen pounds since the senior bowl week. He runs a good forty with a nice ten and twenty yard split, the kid will make himself some money. Saw where he didn't lift very well. Neither did Petigrew. I thought Petigrew would be in the upper twneties. Not stuggeling to hit twenty three.

Does anyone think it was a coincidence that a lot of the o-lineman came in at exactly 309 ?
Part of the problem with the combine now is all of these guys are getting coached up in combine 101
by the sports preformance gurus. Hard to find their blemishes to separate them.

jgl35
02-20-2009, 04:55 PM
this one is in the books. played in Texas vs. Nation. he is a RB 5-11 199 from a small school in Texas Abilene Christian, currently ranked #331. he is gonna bust it in the 40 with one of the combine fastest times. I could see him easily moving up 100+ spots, can you guess his name? :specnatz:
Bernard Scott

was385
02-20-2009, 06:22 PM
Gotta plug my guy from UCONN here. Darius Butler. Coming off an injury during his senior season, he said he expects to run a high-4.2 or low-4.3 40 and jump in the mid-40's. He seems to be going in the third generally in most mocks but I think his stock could really skyrocket.

bah007
02-20-2009, 07:29 PM
Gotta plug my guy from UCONN here. Darius Butler. Coming off an injury during his senior season, he said he expects to run a high-4.2 or low-4.3 40 and jump in the mid-40's. He seems to be going in the third generally in most mocks but I think his stock could really skyrocket.

I have him as my #5 CB and #40 overall.

threetoedpete
02-20-2009, 11:53 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/

John McClain:
I can't wait to see what Johnson measures and weighs. He's more of a RDE, and his stock has been on the decline, but he can raise it a lot in the combine, pro day and private workouts. He should be higher rated based on his skills. Teams will know a lot more about him after meeting with him during the combine.

I can't believe they're going to do this. No John. Looks like tarzan. Plays like Jane. I don't care what his numbers are.

Mayock's top twenty has Ayers at fourteen.Check that...Ayers at 12, Raji at 14.

eriadoc
02-21-2009, 12:29 AM
I doubt it's because of the combine but I think Clay Matthews will sneak into the 20-35 pick range.

Clay Matthews? As in .... related to Clay and Bruce Matthews?

Jeez, I feel old.

BattleRedToro
02-21-2009, 03:06 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/



I can't believe they're going to do this. No John. Looks like tarzan. Plays like Jane. I don't care what his numbers are.

Mayock's top twenty has Ayers at fourteen.Check that...Ayers at 12, Raji at 14.

I don't think that Johnson's numbers or play last year were as bad as people make them out to be.

Could his play have been better? Sure.

Was he terrible? No.

In addition, if my memory is correct he wasn't a starter until his senoir season, that makes me think he is still learning the position.

I believe that is also evidenced in his level of play.

Many have cited his quitting on plays as evidence of a lack of heart or desire or that he is a lazy player.

I believe it shows a lack of discipline and nothing else.

Discipline can and will be coached at the next level just as it was with Mario, for he had his on share of problems with discipline.

I'm talking strictly on-the-field here, Michael Johnson doesn't have any off-the-field discipline problems that I have ever heard about.

He is an intelligent high character player.

The1ApplePie
02-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Hopefully Michael Johnson will jump up the board at let better players fall to us

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 03:41 PM
Great numbers for Jared Cook.
4.5 40, 41" vertical, tops in vertical. Not bad a day for the TE

mexican_texan
02-22-2009, 12:23 AM
Clay Matthews? As in .... related to Clay and Bruce Matthews?

Jeez, I feel old.
Hopefully, it's not Clay Matthews Sr. you remember.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 02:09 AM
Great numbers for Jared Cook.
4.5 40, 41" vertical, tops in vertical. Not bad a day for the TE

I think a lot of teams will find great value in this year TE class. Got some 4.5 guys. Got a couple of guys coming off of an ACL who are very high end potential. Got some pass chatcher TE types. Every body should be able to catch a TE/HB.

BattleRedToro
02-22-2009, 03:07 AM
I think a lot of teams will find great value in this year TE class. Got some 4.5 guys. Got a couple of guys coming off of an ACL who are very high end potential. Got some pass chatcher TE types. Every body should be able to catch a TE/HB.

I would love for the Texans to draft TE/HB James Casey from Rice in the 3rd or 4th round, especially if they are able to trade down during the 1st round and acquire an extra 3rd or 4th round pick.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 03:16 AM
I would love for the Texans to draft TE/HB James Casey from Rice in the 3rd or 4th round, especially if they are able to trade down during the 1st round and acquire an extra 3rd or 4th round pick.

What will be interesting in My mind at the end of April is which position will have a run in the second round of the draft. The centers or the tight ends. Maybe both ? I think there are a dozen of them on the board a lot of teams will have no trouble drafting. Only a couple of in line three down blocking TE's. Casey is your favorite...Bear Priscoe from Fresno State is mine. I think he's the best guy to fit in between Owen Dainels and Joel Dresien. I'm not tring to break Joel's rice bowl.
But I think Bear would give them a good range of bocking/receiving TE's on the roster. My other thought was to use the roster spot for Quinn Johnson.

Hottoddie
02-22-2009, 04:11 AM
Depending upon his 40 times, I look to see Conner Barwin moving into the lower part of the 1st round.

beerlover
02-22-2009, 04:17 AM
speaking of TE's there is a lot to like from this class. a kid who impressed me, seemingly from nowhere was Ball State Dariius Hill. rated #327 (un-drafted) how is this possible? value is in multiple picks deep into the draft with a hair trigger speed dial once the draft concludes & all undrafted eligible College players remaining can be signed :)

beerlover
02-22-2009, 04:50 PM
Bernard Scott was impressive today, solid every category (think he ran back to back 4.47 40's with 36" vertical, 10'5" broad jump). in terms of sheer talent could have elevated stock from undrafted status to 4th/5th rd.

I really like the cone drill which actually translates to what a RB has to do on the field. they used Steve Slaton from last years combine as "example of how to" excell in this drill then showed actual "Texan game film" showing Steve use the same cut-back weave pattern for a 20+ yd. gain. then Scott ran the drill & just blew it up with similar quick, fluid cut-back movements. thats why he looked so explosive in game film. Steve Slaton ran a 4.45, 33 1/2 vertical, broad jump 9' 10" @ the combine last year.

nice catch or what?

Lucky
02-22-2009, 05:42 PM
Bernard Scott was impressive today, solid every category...
Did you hear the part where the NFLN commentators said Scott had been in 4 schools in 5 years, and had assaulted one of his coaches? I think his interviews will be more influential to his draft status than any of his field day performances.

gtexan02
02-22-2009, 06:39 PM
Cedric Pearman (UVA) did pretty well for himself.
Fastest in 40 time, pretty good in the bench and jump.

He hurt his stock with small hands and a fumble at the senior bowl. Hopefully this helps push him back up the boards a little

Xcellerator
02-22-2009, 09:40 PM
Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland probably a late first rounder now with a 4.30 40. :O
Pretty ridiculous for his size;

The1ApplePie
02-22-2009, 09:55 PM
Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland probably a late first rounder now with a 4.30 40. :O
Pretty ridiculous for his size;

I think he has terrible hands and is poor at running routes if I remember correctly. Probably the next Vernon Davis

He'll drive some good talent down the board though

threetoedpete
02-23-2009, 12:05 AM
Did you hear the part where the NFLN commentators said Scott had been in 4 schools in 5 years, and had assaulted one of his coaches? I think his interviews will be more influential to his draft status than any of his field day performances.

Yeah the kids got some bad paper on him for sure. Lawrence Phillips ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Phillips
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3624420

Lucky did you see when Gruden and Dukes got into it over the Qbs ? I thought Gruden was going to lose it and start screaming befor Mouch steped in. Mouch is a smart guy and I do not under stand why the guy doesn't have a team.

threetoedpete
02-23-2009, 12:09 AM
I think he has terrible hands and is poor at running routes if I remember correctly. Probably the next Vernon Davis

He'll drive some good talent down the board though

Yeah but listening to Gruden tonight, there will be some coaches reaching for all of this speed at the WR position. They'll be hypnotised by it. What Gruden hasn't figured out yet is that reaching for all of those skill guys probably got him run out of Tampa. He's going to have to stand befor the man when he dies and answer for Cadilack. He ran that kid to ground and killed his career.

Mari-OWNED!
02-23-2009, 12:37 AM
I think he has terrible hands and is poor at running routes if I remember correctly.

You must be thinking of someone else. The only real flack that DHB has on him is mostly because he's never had a good QB to throw to him. He has great hands, and runs routes very well. Go look at some more video before you judge.

BattleRedToro
02-23-2009, 08:15 AM
Lucky did you see when Gruden and Dukes got into it over the Qbs ? I thought Gruden was going to lose it and start screaming befor Mouch steped in. Mouch is a smart guy and I do not under stand why the guy doesn't have a team.

From listening to Gruden and Dukes, it is clear to me that Dukes would be a better GM, but Gruden would be a better coach. You just want to make sure Gruden doesn't have too much control over player acquisitions, otherwise you might end up with a roster full of QB's.

Blake
02-23-2009, 08:28 AM
Cedric Pearman (UVA) did pretty well for himself.
Fastest in 40 time, pretty good in the bench and jump.

He hurt his stock with small hands and a fumble at the senior bowl. Hopefully this helps push him back up the boards a little

I have been really liking what im seeing from Peerman. He looks like a pro wrestler but has the speed and athletic ability to get the corner and could be available to us in the 3rd round.

Texan_Bill
02-23-2009, 09:18 AM
Clay Matthews? As in .... related to Clay and Bruce Matthews?

Jeez, I feel old.

Yup... Feeling old here too.

Texan_Bill
02-23-2009, 09:20 AM
Anybody catch that kicker that ran a 4.6 forty and lifted 25 x's?... Yes 25 x's, which was better than some O-linemen.

Mr teX
02-23-2009, 10:07 AM
Orakpo and Johnson are the two guys that first come to mind. They are both freakish athletes the only difference is one has his head on straight while the other does not.

There is no way to tell if any of these players are gonna tear it up in the NFL, therefore if Johnson blows people away at the combine, i think we should pick him...if none of the other potential top guys are there.

In 1998 it was Randy Moss, in 2006 it was mario, this year it's Johnson. Every year these same guys say something about someone just b/c something is off about them & they are wrong. the talking heads watch tape just like we do & therefore really don't have a clue about how these guys will play once they reach the pros.

Think of where our defense would be if we'd listened to those bums about mario..... He's a workout warrior, He didn't dominate like he should for a guy with his athleticism, his motor doesn't run like it should, he only dominated bad teams etc...

beerlover
02-23-2009, 10:11 AM
as more numbers trickle out of Indy, couldn't help notice that Bernard Scott posted the fastest drill times, like Shuttle/Cone that translate directly to RB skill set, kid has exceptional feet with body control.

bah007
02-23-2009, 11:07 AM
Anybody catch that kicker that ran a 4.6 forty and lifted 25 x's?... Yes 25 x's, which was better than some O-linemen.

Wasn't it Buehler from USC?

Mr teX
02-23-2009, 11:32 AM
Orakpo 4.6 1st 40...

micheal johnson 4.65 & 4.67 both 40's.

FirstTexansFan
02-23-2009, 11:35 AM
Rajii has a Travis Johnson look in his eyes. I hate to judge books by their covers, but seeing this guy have to restart his 40 three times, and the look of lost on his face totally turned me off.

Ole Miss Texan
02-23-2009, 12:00 PM
Rajii has a Travis Johnson look in his eyes. I hate to judge books by their covers, but seeing this guy have to restart his 40 three times, and the look of lost on his face totally turned me off.

You faulting a 330lb DT for not being comfortable in a 3 point track stance!? I'll give you I didn't see it, would love to- could be pretty funny looking.

I like watching the '40', not because i'm interested in a OL/DL time but to see how fluid they look. The important time to me is their first step/10 yards. How explosive are they when the ball is snapped. I'd rather a guy (DL) thats quick out the gate and slow to finish than slow up front but finishes ahead.

I'll be interested to see how he does in the 3-cone drill and those others that can show more athleticism.

FirstTexansFan
02-23-2009, 12:07 PM
I could care less what speeds they run in the 40, and I realize a DL isn't a position it would mean much anyway. I was going by the look in his eyes. When you're lost doing a simple run, what ya gonna do when I give you something more complex? I'm sure his mom loves him, but my initial impression, he's about as bright as a 10 watt bulb on a dimmer set to low :)

beerlover
02-23-2009, 12:35 PM
You faulting a 330lb DT for not being comfortable in a 3 point track stance!? I'll give you I didn't see it, would love to- could be pretty funny looking.

I like watching the '40', not because i'm interested in a OL/DL time but to see how fluid they look. The important time to me is their first step/10 yards. How explosive are they when the ball is snapped. I'd rather a guy (DL) thats quick out the gate and slow to finish than slow up front but finishes ahead.

I'll be interested to see how he does in the 3-cone drill and those others that can show more athleticism.

Raji is pretty established as a Top 15 pick don't see how he relates to rising up draft boards much higher?

Who should rise, based on his performance @ the combine is Myron Pryor, Kentucky. has good rep amongst SEC linemen as a nasty difficult assingment, really ran well, right now NOT project'ed to get drafted, ranked #370th. To me he fits this thread as a prospect who rises up teams draft boards.

bah007
02-23-2009, 02:15 PM
I could care less about the 40 yd dash. Just give me the first 10 yd split. That's the most important part.

threetoedpete
02-23-2009, 03:36 PM
You faulting a 330lb DT for not being comfortable in a 3 point track stance!? I'll give you I didn't see it, would love to- could be pretty funny looking.

I like watching the '40', not because i'm interested in a OL/DL time but to see how fluid they look. The important time to me is their first step/10 yards. How explosive are they when the ball is snapped. I'd rather a guy (DL) thats quick out the gate and slow to finish than slow up front but finishes ahead.

I'll be interested to see how he does in the 3-cone drill and those others that can show more athleticism.

The lifts are the same thing...got an OL that can't lift any better than a wide receiver,or running back that's a problem. You can look at the bench press numbers and judge pretty accurately who's been a gym rat and who hasn't. Give a little grace for the long armed guys...not a lot. Take some points away from the short armed guys. You must have functional NFL speed and strength at any position.

All of these guys have been the BMOC. All of these drills show you who's been dedicated even though they dominated on their level. Orakpo's been in the gym. Didn't have too. Just taking care of bussiness.

I think the lifts let you know who's been taking care of business the last two or three years, even though they didn't have to. Everett Brown's been taking care of business.

nunusguy
02-23-2009, 05:20 PM
Orakpo 4.6 1st 40...

micheal johnson 4.65 & 4.67 both 40's.
Officially neither ran sub 4.7

Xcellerator
02-23-2009, 09:57 PM
Wasn't it Buehler from USC?

Yep. David Buehler, Kicker from USC with 25 reps and a 4.60 40. Wtf? xD

Guy is definitely going to be drafted

The1ApplePie
02-23-2009, 10:34 PM
I want Clay Matthews and Valkune on this team

1. Maclin
2. Matthews
3. Valkune

I can dream

Ole Miss Texan
02-23-2009, 11:48 PM
I thought Clay Matthews looked really good. If he is able to play SLB in a 4-3, he would be my favorite pick. Not sure if he can or not though.

I'm liking Cushing a little more for SLB too. Seems like a perfect fit.

I'm really impressed with Orakpo, just not sold if he can be the 4-3 DE we need- I see he's def. worth the 15th pick if he's there. Worst case scenario, he's not the pass rushing demon we needed but he'll give it his all every play and have some success playing rotationally. I'd take that risk although he should most definitely be gone to a 3-4 team ahead of us.

TexansFan33
02-24-2009, 12:32 AM
Skip Bayless said Crabtree was a 2nd rounder. :spit: I want us to take Michael Johnson

10'08 broad jump
38 inch vertical
4.65 40 yard dash


I know were not suppose to look strickly at numbers but I think this guy would be a steal at 15 Maybe trade down and get Lauranitis Cause he is going to fall that 40 time was atrocious! :texflag:

rarazz00
02-24-2009, 01:33 AM
I believe Ian Johnson RB out of Boise St. helped himself out as did the WR out of Abilene Christian Johnny Knox....I don't know if their game film matches their combine workout, but they were impressive.

TimeKiller
02-24-2009, 10:24 AM
Skip Bayless said Crabtree was a 2nd rounder. :spit: :

I'll bet he doesn't even follow sports that much. They probably just pay him to read over a few notes before he sits in front of the camera just thinking of stupid things to say.

bah007
02-24-2009, 12:29 PM
I want Clay Matthews and Valkune on this team

1. Maclin
2. Matthews
3. Valkune

I can dream

Didn't Veikune get beat down at the Senior Bowl practices?

I remember hearing that he didn't look very good.

TexansFan33
02-24-2009, 01:39 PM
Donald Washington from Ohio State stock rose up he had a 4 inch vertical an 11'3 broad jump his first forty time was 4.50.

Also, Man I hope we draft Conner Barwin he could be a good LB/Pash rushing DE if coached right. He has good footwork and a great motor.

HOU-TEX
02-24-2009, 02:43 PM
Donald Washington from Ohio State stock rose up he had a 4 inch vertical an 11'3 broad jump his first forty time was 4.50.

Also, Man I hope we draft Conner Barwin he could be a good LB/Pash rushing DE if coached right. He has good footwork and a great motor.

I might be able to achieve a 4 inch vertical. Then again, I might not. :)

I know what you meant. Just playin