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InterestedJeff
02-19-2009, 10:09 AM
just saw on 1st and 10 that Fat Albert wont be signing with the Titans. The Texans were mentioned as one of the teams in persuit. This was said by a Tennessee sports writer so I think its a lot more smoke than fire but it was fairly shocking to hear non-the-less.

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 10:11 AM
just saw on 1st and 10 that Fat Albert wont be signing with the Titans. The Texans were mentioned as one of the teams in persuit. This was said by a Tennessee sports writer so I think its a lot more smoke than fire but it was fairly shocking to hear non-the-less.

Oh yeah! It all falls down for Tennessee too. :splits: Matt Schaub is petitioning for him right now.

HOU-TEX
02-19-2009, 10:11 AM
just saw on 1st and 10 that Fat Albert wont be signing with the Titans. The Texans were mentioned as one of the teams in persuit. This was said by a Tennessee sports writer so I think its a lot more smoke than fire but it was fairly shocking to hear non-the-less.

I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.

InterestedJeff
02-19-2009, 10:17 AM
I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.

he could of said the Texans are one of the Teams with interest... I was only paying half attention. I was mainly reading Matt Bowen's combine tales. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/combine-tales-part-i/

The fact remains that I heard the Texans mentioned as 1 of 2 teams that can land Al. Still probablly a bunch of BS but it still grabed my attention, especially with how much I heard that it wont EVER happen.

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 10:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to hear alot of FAs call us out. We are 40 something million under the cap!!!

The good news is you can assume that a good FA class will be coming to The Texans.

Wolf
02-19-2009, 10:21 AM
I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.

I am thinking he is using it as a bargaining chip.. Tennessee would not like to see him in AFC south.

I think we would feel the same thing if Mario was needing a new contract and Tennessee's name came up (or any AFC south foe). As fans we would be screaming at McNair to get him signed

Htownsportsfan
02-19-2009, 10:23 AM
I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.


Its true you cant pursue free agents yet but Fat Albert has announced he will be testing the FA market.

Fat Albert has the potential to be the owrst FA signing in years! Up until his contract year two years ago he was condidered an under achiever who was constantly slowed by nagging injuries. His first contract year he had a breakout season which lead the Tacks to franchise his since even they were hesitant to lock the guy up long term on one year. I hate the Tacks but Fisher and Company are smart about the business of football. So last year was his second FA contract year and he played great when healthy but still missed games at the end of the year do to leg problems. Now Fat Albert wants to be the highest paid defensive player in football? I think it says alot that Fisher and Co. rather than break the bank for Albert are going to risk losing him by letting him test the FA market. I know people question whether once he has his huge contract if he will be the same player he has been for the last two years or revert back to the old under achiever. Not onlythat he is constantly doing stupid crap off the field. He is currently in trouble for speeding down the highway in TN at over 100 MPH and causing a wreck in which someone was injured. No the kind of thing most teams want out of their highest paid player.

Errant Hothy
02-19-2009, 10:23 AM
I won't lie, he's an asshat but I'd love to see him lined up next to Amobi. Just getting him out of the AFC South would be an upgrade.

The odds of him coming here are pretty low though, I think.

ChampionTexan
02-19-2009, 10:23 AM
I'm one of those in the camp that while Haynesworth won't be a total bust as a FA signing, he won't be the guy from the last two years, and as such, will not be worth the huge money that he's gonna be getting.

I also think that the Titans have a ceiling on what he's worth, and he could well go above that. If I had to guess where he's at in '09, that guess would be Tampa.

Malloy
02-19-2009, 10:36 AM
Sorry, I cant stand the sucker.

IF we ever sign him I hope it is a 1-year signing, it seems as if he plays better when his contract is running out. Consecutive 1-year deals :)

Showtime100
02-19-2009, 10:37 AM
I won't lie, he's an asshat but I'd love to see him lined up next to Amobi. Just getting him out of the AFC South would be an upgrade.

The odds of him coming here are pretty low though, I think.

qft

InterestedJeff
02-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Now Fat Albert wants to be the highest paid defensive player in football? I think it says alot that Fisher and Co. rather than break the bank for Albert are going to risk losing him by letting him test the FA market.

I'm not sure where I stand with Fat Al. I dont think he's worth being the highest paid player but he is a beast and he does have a lot of pride. I'm sure he wont be a bust no matter where he lands. I believe the Titans drafted a D Tackle in either round 1 or 2 of last years draft so they have some wiggle room if he leaves.

WolverineFan
02-19-2009, 10:43 AM
As long as he leaves the AFC South then I am happy.

WesmanTexanfan
02-19-2009, 10:45 AM
As long as he leaves the AFC South then I am happy.

If we want our stars to stay, we need to show them that we want to win by at least attempting to sign someone like Al.

Dread-Head
02-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Will he be bringing, Bill, Russell, Dumb Donald, Mush Mouth, Bucky and Weird Harold with him? :thinking:

Haynesworth: Hey hey hey!....It's Faaaat Albert (Haynesworth)! And I'm gonna sing a song for you...(wicked baseline) And (Texan)Bill's gonna show you a thing or two. (more of our wicked baseline) You'll have some fun now...with me and all the gang...learning from each other...while we do our thing!

All: Na...na...na...gonna have a good time!

WolverineFan
02-19-2009, 10:51 AM
If we want our stars to stay, we need to show them that we want to win by at least attempting to sign someone like Al.

So far he has only performed in contract years. He has been dominant yes, but I wonder how he will play once he has all that guaranteed money in his pocket. He has only had 2 pro bowl seasons in his entire career so it's not like he has been a beast since day 1.

I would rather we pass on him and he goes to another division, but if resigning with the Titans becomes his top priority I say we go for him so that they don't get him back.

Showtime100
02-19-2009, 10:56 AM
So far he has only performed in contract years. He has been dominant yes, but I wonder how he will play once he has all that guaranteed money in his pocket. He has only had 2 pro bowl seasons in his entire career so it's not like he has been a beast since day 1.

I would rather we pass on him and he goes to another division, but if resigning with the Titans becomes his top priority I say we go for him so that they don't get him back.

He would bring a nastiness to the D that I think would fit well. We have fine, hard working, upstanding human beings on this team, I want a little dirt to add to the water.

OK, over the top, but I hope the point was made.

WolverineFan
02-19-2009, 10:59 AM
He would bring a nastiness to the D that I think would fit well. We have fine, hard working, upstanding human beings on this team, I want a little dirt to add to the water.

OK, over the top, but I hope the point was made.

Yes the point was made and I agree with you somewhat. I'm just one of those guys who is hesitant about free agency. You never know what you're going to get with some of these "contract year" players.

GP
02-19-2009, 11:04 AM
If he came here, he'd stink it up.

He's a guy who plays hard only when it counts. Once he gets that new contract, he won't be the same.

Then what? He becomes a divisive little turd who causes dissention and is a distraction for everyone on the team.

Let the guy move on to Tampa or some other non-AFC South team...that's easily an instant "win-win" for us: First win is that we don't pay for him, and 2nd win is that he's off our schedule as a divisional foe.

But I hesitate to pay him what he wants AND to wait and see which player we get for that huge payday.

Marcus
02-19-2009, 11:12 AM
Ok, humor me a little.

When have we EVER signed a big money free agent that worked out. That a year later did nothing but be big drain on the cap, and end up being released two years down the road with nothing but a lot of dead money to show for it?

Count me in the "Don't touch these big money free agents with a ten foot pole" group.

InterestedJeff
02-19-2009, 11:29 AM
They're about to talk about the Haynesworth thing on ESPN 2 first take. I think it will be their next segment.

GuerillaBlack
02-19-2009, 11:31 AM
I would not mind having him at all. Not one bit.

Bulluck53
02-19-2009, 11:34 AM
If he came here, he'd stink it up.

He's a guy who plays hard only when it counts. Once he gets that new contract, he won't be the same.

Then what? He becomes a divisive little turd who causes dissention and is a distraction for everyone on the team.

Let the guy move on to Tampa or some other non-AFC South team...that's easily an instant "win-win" for us: First win is that we don't pay for him, and 2nd win is that he's off our schedule as a divisional foe.

But I hesitate to pay him what he wants AND to wait and see which player we get for that huge payday.

It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.

Brandon420tx
02-19-2009, 11:50 AM
I still say no to the face stomper.

Grams
02-19-2009, 11:50 AM
It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.

Teams won't double team him long if he reverts back to his pre-contract years play. Then we are stuck with an expensive contract for a lazy butt.

Pass on Hainesworth - let him go someplace else.

badboy
02-19-2009, 11:52 AM
No.

Bulluck53
02-19-2009, 11:54 AM
Thats fine. They would double Mario then let Haynesworth go wild... he wouldn't have to go full bore to do that. His signing would help the othersw on the d-line temendously. You think Antwann Odom, Randy Starks and Travis LaBoy got those big contracts because of their skills?

disaacks3
02-19-2009, 11:59 AM
It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea. I'm really torn on this one. He's definitely not a good fit for the 'squeaky clean' image McNair wants to convey, but there's little doubt he could/would have a HUGE impact to our pass rush. Despite all the claims to the contrary, these high-impact guys on the line do NOT grow on trees!

dalemurphy
02-19-2009, 12:00 PM
Teams won't double team him long if he reverts back to his pre-contract years play. Then we are stuck with an expensive contract for a lazy butt.

Pass on Hainesworth - let him go someplace else.

The issue to be concerned about won't be his effort on the field. However, if he's been motivated in the past two off-seasons to work his butt off in order to get his big deal then the relaxing of his off-season preparation would be my main worry. If/when that happens then injuries tend to crop up and his gameday play would be much less consistant.

GP
02-19-2009, 12:02 PM
It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.

Your last sentence is even more proof that this is a bad idea for the Texans.

Marcus' post, a few posts down, is enough of a reason all by itself.

We would only do this deal if we had just made the playoffs after going 11-5 or even 10-6...you do this sort of deal if you're one step away from the Super Bowl. This deal would get you over the top, in terms of getting the ultimate defense to stop any offense out there.

We're not there yet. This would be a huge gamble, at best, due to the lack of talent on the remainder of our defense.

When he is at his peak, he IS unstoppable on so many levels. I just think it would be a very short honeymoon for him AND the Texans if he came here right now.

Bulluck53
02-19-2009, 12:05 PM
I agree with you on the financials, GP, and that it wouldn't be the best idea for the Texans. But his impact would be felt.

If you (not directed at anyone inparticular) think teams won't sign Al because of the stomping incident you haven't been paying attention to the NFL the past 5 years

Kimmy
02-19-2009, 12:47 PM
Sorry, I cant stand the sucker.

IF we ever sign him I hope it is a 1-year signing, it seems as if he plays better when his contract is running out. Consecutive 1-year deals :)

I completely agree with you. He has absolutely no class and overrated IMO.

Even if we haven't played well at times, our guys have kept their dignity and CLASS - even when Matt was getting pounded, they did not 'retaliate'.

I hope the Texans have learned a FA lesson or two *cough green*. It is possible to have a good team without them!

Shaft75
02-19-2009, 01:04 PM
I completely agree with you. He has absolutely no class and overrated IMO.

Even if we haven't played well at times, our guys have kept their dignity and CLASS - even when Matt was getting pounded, they did not 'retaliate'.

I hope the Texans have learned a FA lesson or two *cough green*. It is possible to have a good team without them!

This goes back to the story that I told when Fat Albert got hurt. I didn't feel bad for the guy at all. Some people were chastizing me in my section, but Toro of all people agreed with me. He loved seeing Fat Al rolling around and in pain.

Man, I have some cow-love for our mascot Toro!:logo:

PHAROAH
02-19-2009, 01:20 PM
Doesn't hurt to try going after a big free agent i'm all for it.

TheRealJoker
02-19-2009, 01:22 PM
I'd like to see us throw an offer out there just to up his asking price in the event the Tacks try to resign him. If he signs with us fine, we gambled and "maybe" lost. Upside is he continues his dominant play AND we no longer have to play him 2x a year. Downside is he becomes a bust BUT we no longer have to play dominant Albert 2x a year.

Brandon420tx
02-19-2009, 01:50 PM
I agree with you on the financials, GP, and that it wouldn't be the best idea for the Texans. But his impact would be felt.

If you (not directed at anyone inparticular) think teams won't sign Al because of the stomping incident you haven't been paying attention to the NFL the past 5 years

It is directed at me. I don't care though.

Its not just the one time incident that has me against him, everything thats been said about the financial implication, the probability of him "coasting, our overall defense still needing to show improvement instead of one guy fixing the whole thing (bar defensive coordinator, since thats his job anyway) are the major influencing in my opinion.

The face stomping incident just puts it over the top :cowboy1:

texanmojo
02-19-2009, 02:45 PM
I have no problem with Big Al coming here. With him on the line with Mario, we would have one hell of a defense.

But...not being a salary cap expert (and knowing virtually nothing about it) I would want to make sure we had plenty to offer Mario when his contract comes back up. I would prefer to see us sign Mario to a long term extension next year...before he becomes a FA. If Big Al coming here makes this too difficult, he can go elsewhere.

I really doubt AH will be a Texan...but I wouldn't mind him being on our team.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 02:57 PM
i don't see how anyone could have a problem with us signing Haynesworth. some of yall act like if we sign Albert the whole outhouse is going to go up in flames...and then we act like we have been burned soooo bad in Free Agency in the past. We haven't even made the slightest wave in free agency. Our forays into free agency have involved 2nd to 3rd tier talents where we overpay for them (see Weaver, Greenwood, Green, Wade, etc.). We have never gone after anyone that could actually make an impact outside of our early franchise flirtation with Orlando Pace.

Yeah, when you overpay for losers like Weaver and Greenwood, of course you are going to get burned. Why not go after top Free Agents instead? This nickel and dime act hasn't worked and its not going to work but a lot of us think we shouldn't even look to FA because of our sordid past in that area. Blame that on Asserley and his crew of losers. Yeah Green was Smith's work but I am not going to be afraid of making a move just because it hasn't worked in the past. It sure is better than sitting on your ass and doing nothing.

We need to stop overpaying for 2nd and 3rd tier and start overpaying for 1st Tier players. At least they can make a difference and improve the team unlike losers like Carr, Greenwood, Wade, Weaver, etc that got paid and then sucked the big one. We had no problem paying too much for those losers...why is everyone so against paying too much for someone who can actually play the freaking game.....geez. It's expensive and isn't a guarantee but its better than the alternative....being a scared little girl afraid to get burned.

Personally, I think it may do more for our team to go out and attract Ray Lewis because he would bring the intensity and leadership that we so sorely lack on our defense and I am not sure Big Al is going to bring even a fraction of the intensity and leadership of Lewis. Yeah, its a short term fix but if we can get him in the Texans fold maybe we could retain him for our defensive staff when he retires. He is going to make a fine coach, perhaps even a fine Head Coach some day.

to the Free Agent naysayers, I say grow a pair...please. It's not your money and the salary cap hysteria is a myth perpetuated by cheap owners and ineffective GMs. Give Al an offer and at worst you can help drive the price up for any prospective signing...and Indianapolis is one of the teams mentioned. I don't want Al in Indy with Mathis and Freeney...that would suck.

Htownsportsfan
02-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Ok, humor me a little.

When have we EVER signed a big money free agent that worked out. That a year later did nothing but be big drain on the cap, and end up being released two years down the road with nothing but a lot of dead money to show for it?

Count me in the "Don't touch these big money free agents with a ten foot pole" group.

You are in good company with that mindset. I heard Bill Polian interviewed Sunday about free agency and really liked his take. He said he would rather us that money to reward the player son his team since he knows what effort they give first hand and how they fit into their team dynamic. He emphasized the need to build in the draft so you have quality players to reward later. It was his opinion that the way teams view free agency with a kind of desperation and it makes teams over pay since they are competing for the small pool of FA talent. He stated that in his experience very few players actually play up to the value of their FA contracts for new teams.

Brandon420tx
02-19-2009, 03:27 PM
Meh, based on the FA's now, I would say Fat Al is the last one you'd consider "top tier"

I have nothing against going after top tier players. I'll take any other top teir player besides Haynesworth, and I've already made my feeling clear about him.

Leroy Hill may not be considered "top tier" but I doubt too many people woud bust a kidney if we went after him. I'd say the same for Bart Scott, and maybe Ray Lewis, I'd rather not take Ray Lewis unless we're planing to move Demeco to outside (which won't be too bad) and plan to pick up a rookie to learn behind them. Theres also safeties Jermaine Phillips, and OJ Otogwe out there (at least to my knowledge)

There are a few "maybe" guys I do actually want to go after, if only to see what they have in training camp. Shaun Cody and Jabari Greer being among them.

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 03:31 PM
to the Free Agent naysayers, I say grow a pair...please. It's not your money and the salary cap hysteria is a myth perpetuated by cheap owners and ineffective GMs.
Well that's not a very good arguement! That's like saying, let's trade up for Player X at the #1 pick! It's not your draft picks and money you have to spend getting the guy! We've got some very good players of our own we're going to have to resign to high dollar guaranteed contracts in the next three years.

Back to Haynesworth though. The thing that scares me so much would be giving him the contract and then he doesn't perform like he recently has. "Get's his pay day" and that's all he's worried about.

I do think though having Haynesworth brings this defense THAT much closer to a championship calibre D. I think it would do wonders for Mario and Amobi to the point where the other DE spot isn't considered a huge liability anymore. Bulman would probably get 8+ sacks.

If we were to get Haynesworth, we'd have Travis, Okam and Deljuan rotating in. I'd like to see us get some sort of DE but not a 1st rd pick. I'd target a SLB or a Safety. Trading down in the first would be great and maybe getting a Patrick Chung. With Dunta getting franchised, I think our CB situation is dandy. But if we get Brian Cushing at 15 and an instinctive SS in the 2nd, I think our defense would be completely turned around... as in performing at an A+ level.

Polo
02-19-2009, 03:35 PM
I don't want Haynesworth...

If we're going to sign guys to gigantic contracts I'd rather it be guys that were drafted by the team...

I like the idea of building through the draft...

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 03:40 PM
I don't want Haynesworth...

If we're going to sign guys to gigantic contracts I'd rather it be guys that were drafted by the team...

I like the idea of building through the draft...

I agree with you. As mentioned in another thread, next year we'll be looking at Dunta again, Demeco, Daniels, Walter, Pitts. The following year Leach, Bennett, Diles. 2011- Mario, Slaton, Adibi, Molden. 2012-Schaub, Duane Brown and Okoye.

Scary just thinking about it.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 03:44 PM
I don't want Haynesworth...

If we're going to sign guys to gigantic contracts I'd rather it be guys that were drafted by the team...

I like the idea of building through the draft...

we have built through the draft. you have to accentuate your roster with free agent moves though. as for paying the guys that we drafted, I am all for that and we are doing that. what is the big problem with signing quality players? its like some people dont want to win and are content with being in the bottom half of the league as long as we 'do it the right way' or as long as we have a bunch of choirboys. Improve the freaking team. It's that easy.

well I got news for you...its not the right way. the right way is doing everything you can to improve your team...whether it be cutting losers like Carr (which has made more difference than any roster move we ever made) or trading for quality (like Schaub) or signing quality free agents (which we have yet to ever do) all the while constantly stockpiling talent in the draft (Mario, DeMeco, Slaton, Winston, etc.)

Specnatz
02-19-2009, 03:48 PM
How many large FA signings did the Steelers do? How many did Colts do?

Holy shit stop mentioning YKW he has been gone for two freaking years already.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 03:49 PM
I agree with you. As mentioned in another thread, next year we'll be looking at Dunta again, Demeco, Daniels, Walter, Pitts. The following year Leach, Bennett, Diles. 2011- Mario, Slaton, Adibi, Molden. 2012-Schaub, Duane Brown and Okoye.

Scary just thinking about it.

2010 is uncapped and we could tender over half of those guys and they would be RFA. So because you are worried about resigning DUANE BROWN!! we should not be involved in FA? a guy we just drafted and isn't even a proven commodity at his position?

Leach? Bennett? Adibi? Diles? Molden? Really? are you kidding me? you are worried about signing those guys? Leach could be coveted but those other guys are just that. They are JAG. Just another guy.

grow a pair and realize that just because the player is a Texan doesn't make him good. all those guys are good players but you can't retard the development or improvement of your team because you are worried about resigning guys 3 years from now...especially when we know that 2010 is uncapped and it is 100% up in the air about anything after that.

cmon guys. just say 'I don't want Haynesworth because he is a jerk and he may lack motivation post-contract'....that is a legit take and isn't without merit but all this hemming and hawwing about our existing players or future years is just ludicrous and banal. cmon now.

Texan_Bill
02-19-2009, 03:54 PM
How many large FA signings did the Steelers do? How many did Colts do?. Not only that, they don't re-sign their own guys when they reach a certain level (i.e. Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green and Rod Woodson)


Holy shit stop mentioning YKW he has been gone for two freaking years already. I don't even have to ask. :gun:

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 03:56 PM
How many large FA signings did the Steelers do? How many did Colts do?

Holy shit stop mentioning YKW he has been gone for two freaking years already.

are we the Steelers? please don't tell me you are comparing the Steelers situation to the Texans...pfft, please. are we the Colts? the Colts are already loaded with talent already, having spent big $$ retaining those players that were worth retaining (of which there have been legion) and are now mentioned as the co-front runners to get Big Al along with Tampa Bay.

stop mentioning YKW? why because its an inconvenient truth? i am saying that historically the only guys we have ever paid big $$ to have all sucked...and that is because we haven't gone after the top tier guys...we go after the 2nd or 3rd tier...not mentioning YKW would be forgetting our failures and whitewashing over them...i will leave that to the homers...fact is whether you like it or not, it was a failure of a decision and deserves to be mentioned. sorry if it hurts your feelings.

we need to stop worrying about all this other BS. just win and do whatever it takes to win and if that means taking some risks...so be it. grow a pair, geez.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Not only that, they don't re-sign their own guys when they reach a certain level (i.e. Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green and Rod Woodson)


I don't even have to ask. :gun:

its funny how you guys don't want to mention something only 2 years later..but then in your own post you mention things that happened decades+ ago. i know its not pretty but to forget the past will only doom you to repeat it. it may hurt some of yall's feelings that your former face of the franchise and someone you made so many excuses for was such a pile of dog crap but its the truth and I will mention it whenever the hell I feel its warranted.

..and when talking about the Texans overpaying for losers....its very warranted. but God forbid pay players that can actually play the game..that would be sooooooo wrong and misguided of a move.

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 04:07 PM
2010 is uncapped and we could tender over half of those guys and they would be RFA. So because you are worried about resigning DUANE BROWN!! we should not be involved in FA? a guy we just drafted and isn't even a proven commodity at his position?

Leach? Bennett? Adibi? Diles? Molden? Really? are you kidding me? you are worried about signing those guys? Leach could be coveted but those other guys are just that. They are JAG. Just another guy.

grow a pair and realize that just because the player is a Texan doesn't make him good. all those guys are good players but you can't retard the development or improvement of your team because you are worried about resigning guys 3 years from now...especially when we know that 2010 is uncapped and it is 100% up in the air about anything after that.

cmon guys. just say 'I don't want Haynesworth because he is a jerk and he may lack motivation post-contract'....that is a legit take and isn't without merit but all this hemming and hawwing about our existing players or future years is just ludicrous and banal. cmon now.

Having a bad day? I think you're taking this stuff way too personal.

You failed to mention Mario, Demeco, Daniels, Schaub. The others are players that could potentially develop into really valuable players for our team. Duane Brown... you serious? Look how much Carolina just gave Jordan Gross. If Brown develops into our franchise LT, he's going to get PAAIIDD. $60M w/ 30M guaranteed. These players aren't all certainties but are ones where if you just hold a blind eye and are only concerned about the here and then now, you'll be paying for it in the future.

Read 5 posts up and you've got my views on Haynesworth.

HOU-TEX
02-19-2009, 04:08 PM
are we the Steelers? please don't tell me you are comparing the Steelers situation to the Texans...pfft, please. are we the Colts? the Colts are already loaded with talent already, having spent big $$ retaining those players that were worth retaining (of which there have been legion) and are now mentioned as the co-front runners to get Big Al along with Tampa Bay.

stop mentioning YKW? why because its an inconvenient truth? i am saying that historically the only guys we have ever paid big $$ to have all sucked...and that is because we haven't gone after the top tier guys...we go after the 2nd or 3rd tier...not mentioning YKW would be forgetting our failures and whitewashing over them...i will leave that to the homers...fact is whether you like it or not, it was a failure of a decision and deserves to be mentioned. sorry if it hurts your feelings.

we need to stop worrying about all this other BS. just win and do whatever it takes to win and if that means taking some risks...so be it. grow a pair, geez.

I'm not even going to bother with your jacked up logic and psycho love of YKW.

I'm just going to sit here and relish the fact we do not have a GM that has anything relative to your thought process.

Polo
02-19-2009, 04:12 PM
its funny how you guys don't want to mention something only 2 years later..but then in your own post you mention things that happened decades+ ago. i know its not pretty but to forget the past will only doom you to repeat it. it may hurt some of yall's feelings that your former face of the franchise and someone you made so many excuses for was such a pile of dog crap but its the truth and I will mention it whenever the hell I feel its warranted.

..and when talking about the Texans overpaying for losers....its very warranted. but God forbid pay players that can actually play the game..that would be sooooooo wrong and misguided of a move.


Our D-line would be able to purchase and maintain a small country.

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I say grow a pair...please.

grow a pair

grow a pair, geez.

Hey man, even when you got big balls... you still gotta be careful where you put 'em! :winky:

Texan_Bill
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I'm not even going to bother with your jacked up logic and psycho love of YKW.

I'm just going to sit here and relish the fact we do not have a GM that has anything relative to your thought process.

Well if I couldn't tell 100% by Spec's post, I am now positive as to who y'all are talking to.

Brandon420tx
02-19-2009, 04:20 PM
Actually I am in the "Go after FA's" camp, just don't particularly want Haynesworth. I'm sure there are many other like that. Just because we don't want Al doesn't mean we want to sit on our butts and suck our thumbs during free agency. There is other quality out there that doesn't have price, commitment, and personality concerns.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 04:22 PM
Hey man, even when you got big balls... you still gotta be careful where you put 'em! :winky:

your probably right. i am being a bit of a jerk today. i apologize to everyone, even Spec.

Brandon420tx
02-19-2009, 04:25 PM
your probably right. i am being a bit of a jerk today. i apologize to everyone, even Spec.

BTW, you are making valid points, just a little overly hostile :pirate:

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 04:42 PM
your probably right. i am being a bit of a jerk today. i apologize to everyone, even Spec.

Hahaha, no biggie. I think we're all ready for the Texans to win NOW.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 04:46 PM
Hahaha, no biggie. I think we're all ready for the Texans to win NOW.

you know it, man. washing off the stank of casserley one day at a time. imagine how long its gonna take the Lions to get rid of the Millen stank....that is some industrial strength 0-16 long term stank that they have to wash off.

mussop
02-19-2009, 05:37 PM
Im tired of hearing lets build just through the draft. Thats a very good way to build a team but that doesnt mean if you have the chance to add a game changing player you shouldnt. Regardless of what you think of Haynesworth he would be invaluable to this team. He is/has everything this D is missing. Tougness, agressiveness, attitute, phisicality and the ability to dominate. THose are all traits this defense could use.

People want to say he will slack off once he gets paid because he didnt play at this level until a contract year. I say pfftt! Haynesworth came into the leauge very imature. He had a bumpy road starting off and made a few mistakes like most young players do. It took him awhile but he has figured out. He has proven the last 2 years he is the best DT in football and he is still young and is in the prime of his career. You dont get a chance to add a player of his caliber very often and when you are a young and upcoming team like us he can be that player that puts us over the top.

He is just to good of a fit to pass up IMO.

b0ng
02-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Hey guys lets be like the Redskins and the Raiders and give huge gobs of money to everybody who our fans may want. If they change their mind the next day get that guy too!

Salary cap schmalary cap.

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 06:04 PM
So how much is it going to take to actually get Haynesworth. From his take, it sounds like he wants to play for a contender in the southeast. Rumors in Indianapolis have Atlanta as the front runners. Maybe that's just speculation.

The Titans are believed to be offering somewhere in the 4 year $36 million range but that Haynesworth probably wants double that.

So what are your thoughts on a contract like 6 years and $72 million? Something like #1 overall pick money.

We've got about $10M going against the cap w/ Dunta's deal right now. If we sign Haynesworth to a contract he wants, that would probably be another $10-15M against the cap? So we're still playing around with a decent number to resign guys like Eugene Wilson, pick up some FA depth and $ for our draft picks.

ObsiWan
02-19-2009, 06:29 PM
Hey guys lets be like the Redskins and the Raiders and give huge gobs of money to everybody who our fans may want. If they change their mind the next day get that guy too!

Salary cap schmalary cap.

don't forget the Niners!

gafftop
02-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Only performs and behaves in contract year. Think he's fat now just wait.
WOULD NEVER GIVE UP DRAFT CHOICES FOR HIM. C'mon guys your dreaming about this guy if you sign him for a long term contract. He will just the next in a long line of injured old players the Texans have signed, starting with Booselli. Don't repeat past mistakes. I am confident Smith will not make a major mistake, but who knows?

Thorn
02-19-2009, 07:29 PM
Don't want Haynesworthlessness on my team. It's been my stance, and it will continue to be. It doesn't matter anyway, because the Texans won't sign him. This is a useless debate.

Norg
02-19-2009, 11:05 PM
I dont think the texans will get a guy thats injury prone to fat and once stepped on a guys head

mexican_texan
02-19-2009, 11:08 PM
I can see Haynseworth in the NFC South

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 11:33 PM
Only performs and behaves in contract year. Think he's fat now just wait.
WOULD NEVER GIVE UP DRAFT CHOICES FOR HIM. C'mon guys your dreaming about this guy if you sign him for a long term contract. He will just the next in a long line of injured old players the Texans have signed, starting with Booselli. Don't repeat past mistakes. I am confident Smith will not make a major mistake, but who knows?
Let me help you out here....

Haynesworth is a unrestricted free agent so there would be no draft pick compensation needed.

Boselli was never signed he was traded for and we knew he was damaged goods. Getting Boselli was a 'poison pill' we had to swallow under an agreement with the Jags and in exchange they would leave Seth Payne and Gary Walker unprotected in the expansion draft. So we never signed Boselli, we just took over his existing contract and he never played for us do the injury that we were fully aware of.

the long line of injured old players doesn't have a thing to do with Big Al because he is neither injured or old.

Bottom line is that Haynesworth would improve this team. The Texans owe it to themselves to at least contact Al's management. I think he would fit in well here and would bring some of the attitude that we need to take the next step. We need someone that isn't afraid to whoop someone's ass.

infantrycak
02-20-2009, 12:49 AM
Boselli was never signed he was traded for and we knew he was damaged goods. Getting Boselli was a 'poison pill' we had to swallow under an agreement with the Jags and in exchange they would leave Seth Payne and Gary Walker unprotected in the expansion draft. So we never signed Boselli, we just took over his existing contract and he never played for us do the injury that we were fully aware of.

No offense, but BS. Boselli and Roaf were both put up for our expansion draft. The NFL had both reviewed by independent doctors. They decided Boselli was fit and Roaf wasn't. Roaf was then pulled from the expansion draft and traded for I believe a 4th round pick and went on to 5 pro-bowl appearances without a game missed. The injury that kept Boselli from playing again was a result of a "cleaning up" surgery on his non-injured arm from the prior year. Unless you want to believe in an Area 51 conspiracy there is no way to conclude the Texans knew Boselli wasn't going to play again. Now there may very well have also been a "cure our salary cap hell" component to the situation, but it wasn't a "fully aware of" injury situation.

jdog
02-20-2009, 07:29 AM
I heard the comment about the Texans and Haynesworth on ESPN as well, and I think they said that the Texans were a dark horse candidate to get him. I wonder what Super Mario thinks about Haynesworth since they played together on the line in the Pro Bowl. If the comment was made on ESPN because they've actually heard that the Texans are pursuing Haynesworth, I wonder if Super Mario was asked by coaches and had positive things to say. If it's all speculation by ESPN based on our need for a better pass rush, then my guess is that we're not getting Haynesworth, so don't worry about it. Even if the comment was based on some insider tip, we're still a "dark horse". I'm just thinking that the Mario Pro Bowl may have something to do with any Haynesworth interest in the Texans and vice versa, and I'd like to see a ht.com interview with Super Mario about the possibility of having Haynesworth. :thinking:

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2009, 11:48 AM
good points jdog. I think Houston has an outside shot. Enough where discussion is warranted but not near enough for anyone to really belive he's going to be here.

Is Hayneworth tired/upset with the Titans. Has he had a falling out? If so, I can see a player (particularly an aggressive Defensive player) not minding one bit if they go to a division rival. Not sure if Haynesworth fits this category or not.

I think he really does want to (i) GET PAID!!! and (ii) be on a contending team (not that TEN isn't).

I would love to know what other players' (like Mario's) opinion on him. Whether he would want him as a teammate or not. No matter how good someone is... sometimes they just wouldn't fit in with the other players.

dalemurphy
02-20-2009, 12:24 PM
This is one of those situations where I know that I don't want him here. However, if we signed him, I would get very excited about it. As a fan, it's hard to not get excited about your team getting an elite football player. However, I think the cost and risk are too great for it to make sense.

gtexan02
02-20-2009, 12:45 PM
good points jdog. I think Houston has an outside shot. Enough where discussion is warranted but not near enough for anyone to really belive he's going to be here.

Is Hayneworth tired/upset with the Titans. Has he had a falling out? If so, I can see a player (particularly an aggressive Defensive player) not minding one bit if they go to a division rival. Not sure if Haynesworth fits this category or not.

I think he really does want to (i) GET PAID!!! and (ii) be on a contending team (not that TEN isn't).

I would love to know what other players' (like Mario's) opinion on him. Whether he would want him as a teammate or not. No matter how good someone is... sometimes they just wouldn't fit in with the other players.

The only reason I heard about Haynesworth wanting to leave was money. He wants 12-13 million (maybe more now that Aso is getting 15) per year, adn the Titans were offering him about 9

spurstexanstros
02-20-2009, 01:21 PM
Maybe his attitude will improve once out of Tennesee I know mine would.

gafftop
02-20-2009, 08:07 PM
I earlier said NO WAY on Albert based on my thinking that we would have to give up draft choices. I was wrong. Whole new question now. I would consider a ONE year contract for Albert, no longer, if money is the only cost. I would still be wary of injury issues and conditioning. Is he 100% now?

b0ng
02-20-2009, 08:27 PM
I earlier said NO WAY on Albert based on my thinking that we would have to give up draft choices. I was wrong. Whole new question now. I would consider a ONE year contract for Albert, no longer, if money is the only cost. I would still be wary of injury issues and conditioning. Is he 100% now?

Albert Haynesworth is not going to sign a 1 year deal.

ChampionTexan
02-20-2009, 10:01 PM
Albert Haynesworth is not going to sign a 1 year deal.

He will if it's for $75 Million :specnatz:

b0ng
02-20-2009, 10:24 PM
He will if it's for $75 Million :specnatz:

You're fired.

Mailman
02-20-2009, 10:26 PM
Just for the sake of discussion because we all know this will never happen...signing Fat Al would be the free agency equivalent of a pick-six in the fourth quarter of a tie game at Possum Holler. Not only would our defense be dramatically improved, but the loss of Haynesworth would weaken the Titans defense significantly and give us a very good shot at winning the division title. And we won't have to worry about him crushing our quarterback.

Hervoyel
02-20-2009, 10:28 PM
He will if it's for $75 Million :specnatz:

Go away Mr. Casserly. You do not work for this team any longer.

Specnatz
02-20-2009, 10:35 PM
He will if it's for $75 Million :specnatz:

You're fired.

Go away Mr. Casserly. You do not work for this team any longer.

:spit:

You got to admit that was funny.

wags
02-20-2009, 11:47 PM
John Clayton, a.k.a the bald DJ Qualls, was reporting earlier that Haynesworth will be looking for about $15 million a year now that Nnamdi got his money. Anyone willing to pay him $75 million for 5 years????

Big Poundcake
02-21-2009, 12:01 AM
No I wouldn't be willing to give him ridiculous money, but he is a BEAST for sure. I'd love for him to be a Texan, but I doubt it will happen.

mussop
02-21-2009, 04:39 AM
John Clayton, a.k.a the bald DJ Qualls, was reporting earlier that Haynesworth will be looking for about $15 million a year now that Nnamdi got his money. Anyone willing to pay him $75 million for 5 years????

I would do 3 years at 15 mill with an team option fourth year.

gafftop
02-21-2009, 08:22 AM
Just doesn't seem to work out getting high dollar FAs. Don't think I would do based on chemistry and the risk is too great. Just doesn't seem right, not for FAT sorry. Nobody remember him stepping on face. Nope, just don't like it. The Texans have too many needs. Thanks just my opinion

gafftop
02-21-2009, 08:31 AM
Character questionable at best, past work ethic except at end of contract questionable at best, conditioning qab,... Just does not add up. Let the cowgirls have him, he should fit right in. My opinion only again. thanks

nunusguy
02-21-2009, 08:45 AM
I dunno where he ends up and I don't care as long as he leaves Nashville and the AFC South.

kcdoubleeagle
02-21-2009, 07:56 PM
Haynesworth is the best defensive player in the league. I want him.

WesmanTexanfan
02-21-2009, 07:58 PM
Haynesworth is the best defensive player in the league. I want him.

Im for it but,

I been thinking, no way Bob picks up a guy like that, no way....

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 07:59 PM
Haynesworth is the best defensive player in the league. I want him.

If he costs 6 years, 100 million dollars, do you still want him?

kcdoubleeagle
02-21-2009, 10:36 PM
He's not getting that anywhere.....but I believe we should definitely pay top dollar for him.

Hottoddie
02-21-2009, 10:55 PM
While I'm not too keen on the idea of tying up so much money in one FA, I do feel that we need to take a closer look at what he's done statistically in his career. Some are saying he's only stepped it up during contract years & that may be true, but if you look at each successive year for the last 5 years, he's shown some consistency in tackles per game. His sack totals haven't been that great until the last 2 years, but that could be a result of many different variables that don't show up in the stat line. Haynesworth's main negative is his injury history. Imho, if he were able to remain healthy for a full 16 game season, he could very well put up 60+ tackles & double digit sacks.

http://www.nfl.com/players/alberthaynesworth/profile?id=HAY746506

I'm torn on the issue of going after him, if it's going to screw up our cap position. And $15 million per year would do just that. Now, having said that, I'd be more than willing to offer him the chance to earn more than $15 million, if he would accept a performance laden contract. In other words, a small base salary with increases in pay based upon things like games played, total tackles, sacks, forced fumbles, etc., etc. I would also add deductions for stupid acts like stepping on someone's head intentionally. :D

There's no way on earth that his ego or agent would ever agree to a contract like that, but if he believes he is capable of putting up those kinds of stats & would accept the challenge, then I'd sign him in a heartbeat.

Too bad the real world doesn't work that way. Hey, wait a minute, salesmen do that all the time. :thinking:

DBCooper
02-21-2009, 11:00 PM
Haynesworth is the best defensive player in the league. I want him.

He can play.

He is not the best defensive player in the league.

MannyFresh
02-21-2009, 11:37 PM
Did Mebane get franchised or signed already with the Seahawks or someone else?

mexican_texan
02-22-2009, 12:27 AM
He's not a free agent.

ubecool454
02-22-2009, 10:52 AM
I won't lie, he's an asshat but I'd love to see him lined up next to Amobi. Just getting him out of the AFC South would be an upgrade.

The odds of him coming here are pretty low though, I think.

I doubt it will happen but if we did sign him he would be lining up next to Travis Johnson.

infantrycak
02-22-2009, 11:00 AM
I doubt it will happen but if we did sign him he would be lining up next to Travis Johnson.

Where does that come from?

TimeKiller
02-22-2009, 11:16 AM
Williams-Haynesworth-Okoye-Orakpo

Make it happen SMITH!!!

Old School
02-22-2009, 11:28 AM
Williams-Haynesworth-Okoye-Orakpo

Make it happen SMITH!!!
When pigs fly - Cold day in hell - Cow jump over the moon - Cats sleeping with dogs!!

make it happen SMITH!!!:texflag:

rickyb
02-22-2009, 12:10 PM
If he costs 6 years, 100 million dollars, do you still want him?

Wait. Are we talking now about Carlos Lee, or we still on Fat Albert? :)