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ArlingtonTexan
02-19-2009, 10:40 AM
(Rotoworld) Appearing on the Jim Rome Show Wednesday, free agent Derrick Ward mentioned the Browns, Texans, and Cardinals as potential landing spots.
Analysis: Ward offers rare three-down ability, fresh legs, and is coming off a season in which he averaged 5.6 YPC. He talked about playing with Steve Slaton and would be a clear upgrade over Jamal Lewis or Edgerrin James. All three clubs have enough cap room to meet Ward's $4M-per-year asking price.


rotoworld.com

Edit: Here is the link to the segment. and you do have wait for the end for the mention.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3917046

Mailman
02-19-2009, 10:45 AM
Whether he signs with us or not, this is a great indicator of where our plucky little Texans are heading.

Respectability, baby! We are out of the hinterlands. Good free agents now want to play for the Houston Texans.

nero THE zero
02-19-2009, 10:53 AM
Whether he signs with us or not, this is a great indicator of where our plucky little Texans are heading.

Respectability, baby! We are out of the hinterlands. Good free agents now want to play for the Houston Texans.

If the Cardinals and Browns are the company of "respectability" then I want no part of it.

So far as Ward goes, does anyone know how he is at the goal line? I know he has great hands, but we need someone who's effective in short yardage situations, in addition to having the ability to handle ~20 carries in case of an injury to Slaton.

$4M is a bit hefty, but if he can be effective then he might be worth it.

Cjeremy635
02-19-2009, 10:57 AM
If the Cardinals and Browns are the company of "respectability" then I want no part of it.

So far as Ward goes, does anyone know how he is at the goal line? I know he has great hands, but we need someone who's effective in short yardage situations, in addition to having the ability to handle ~20 carries in case of an injury to Slaton.

$4M is a bit hefty, but if he can be effective then he might be worth it.

I was thinking the same thing.

Mailman
02-19-2009, 11:00 AM
It's not about the Browns, guys. It's about Derrick Ward wanting to play for the Texans.

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 11:01 AM
Whether he signs with us or not, this is a great indicator of where our plucky little Texans are heading.

Respectability, baby! We are out of the hinterlands. Good free agents now want to play for the Houston Texans.

Oh I'm sure the 40 something mil under the cap that we have helps out alot too.

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 11:04 AM
If the Cardinals and Browns are the company of "respectability" then I want no part of it.

So far as Ward goes, does anyone know how he is at the goal line? I know he has great hands, but we need someone who's effective in short yardage situations, in addition to having the ability to handle ~20 carries in case of an injury to Slaton.

$4M is a bit hefty, but if he can be effective then he might be worth it.

So far I remember Jacobs being in the goal line situations most. But really Steve has shown some skills at the 1yd line. A good amount of his TDs came from the goal line. The problem is we don't usually get to the one. Our offense either turns over the ball inside the 20 or scores from outside the 20.

awtysst
02-19-2009, 11:05 AM
Whether he signs with us or not, this is a great indicator of where our plucky little Texans are heading.

Respectability, baby! We are out of the hinterlands. Good free agents now want to play for the Houston Texans.

Well, I will believe it when i see good free agents playing for us as opposed to simply saying it. Remember when Orlando Pace claimed he wanted to play for us and in reality it was a ploy to get more $ out of St. Louis? Yeah, how do we know that is not happening now?

Polo
02-19-2009, 11:07 AM
He could have said the Lions, Seahawks and San Fran...

HoustonFrog
02-19-2009, 11:07 AM
If the Cardinals and Browns are the company of "respectability" then I want no part of it.
So far as Ward goes, does anyone know how he is at the goal line? I know he has great hands, but we need someone who's effective in short yardage situations, in addition to having the ability to handle ~20 carries in case of an injury to Slaton.

$4M is a bit hefty, but if he can be effective then he might be worth it.

You want no part of the SB?The Cards did. I know rare, but most would take the appearance.

It really is the fact that a FA mentions here when in the past it may have been great facilities, etc but also a wasteland of a team.

nero THE zero
02-19-2009, 11:11 AM
So far I remember Jacobs being in the goal line situations most. But really Steve has shown some skills at the 1yd line. A good amount of his TDs came from the goal line. The problem is we don't usually get to the one. Our offense either turns over the ball inside the 20 or scores from outside the 20.

We had some troubles in short yardage situations, especially against teams with bigger fronts. I remember one time where we were stuffed 3 times in a row at the goal line.

I guess it's hard to gauge how Ward is in short yardage given who he was behind.

infantrycak
02-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Well, I will believe it when i see good free agents playing for us as opposed to simply saying it. Remember when Orlando Pace claimed he wanted to play for us and in reality it was a ploy to get more $ out of St. Louis? Yeah, how do we know that is not happening now?

What we don't know is that Pace played us. That is just fan speculation. The Rams matched the offer we made. I would suspect many players would choose to stay with the team that drafted them and where they had friends on the team and were established in the community.

HOU-TEX
02-19-2009, 11:15 AM
What we don't know is that Pace played us. That is just fan speculation. The Rams matched the offer we made. I would suspect many players would choose to stay with the team that drafted them and where they had friends on the team and were established in the community.

I expect Dunta to do the same thing. Shop himself, then re-sign with the Texans.

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 11:17 AM
Hey it came from Ward's mouth. I think the keywords in that whole report is that all 3 teams have enough room to fit his asking price. I would assume that he is someone we would like but will not break the bank for, especially when the draft if very deep at RB.

WolverineFan
02-19-2009, 11:46 AM
$4 million is way to high a price to sign a change of pace back. I don't care how much cap room we have we cannot go throwing the checkbook around. That stuff catches up with you eventually. He will not be a starting RB so I would sign him to half that, but no chance @ $4 mil.

False Start
02-19-2009, 11:47 AM
I would love to have D. Ward. He wears # 34 too, he would have to talk to Barber about that number though. It would be nice to see a 34 in the backfield. If we could get it done, that would be niiiiiice. :cool:

GP
02-19-2009, 11:49 AM
Hey it came from Ward's mouth. I think the keywords in that whole report is that all 3 teams have enough room to fit his asking price. I would assume that he is someone we would like but will not break the bank for, especially when the draft if very deep at RB.

That's the thing that works against us: Kubiak likes to draft RBs. If he doesn't draft them, he signs broken-down RBs like Ahman Green and Chris Brown...we'd have nothing to do with a young, proven free-agent RB.

I stand by my claim that Kubiak has this deal of wanting to find the diamond-in-the-rough RB that nobody could've imagined would be so awesome. He evidently thought that he could resurrect Chris Brown's career, too, and that would have been a huge story in the NFL that would've made Kubiak look like a genius. Other teams do this crap, too, such as thinking they can rehabilitate David Carr somehow.

If Derrick Ward lists us a possible landing spot, and based on what he has done last season when Jacobs was out for a long time, I would say we should sign the guy. $4 million a year? Give him $5 million if that's what it takes. RBs are hit and miss. Derrick Ward has skills.

I don't care what he can do near the goal line, at least not as much as caring about all the other stuff he can do between the goal lines. In short: If Steve Slaton goes down, like Jacobs did last year, we need a SUITABLE running back like Ward (not a "project" guy who "might" do well).

Arizona and Cleveland are two teams that stand a great chance at getting into a bidding war for him, though: Cards know they need to settle that position, as do the Browns.

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 11:55 AM
That's the thing that works against us: Kubiak likes to draft RBs. If he doesn't draft them, he signs broken-down RBs like Ahman Green and Chris Brown...we'd have nothing to do with a young, proven free-agent RB.

I stand by my claim that Kubiak has this deal of wanting to find the diamond-in-the-rough RB that nobody could've imagined would be so awesome. He evidently thought that he could resurrect Chris Brown's career, too, and that would have been a huge story in the NFL that would've made Kubiak look like a genius. Other teams do this crap, too, such as thinking they can rehabilitate David Carr somehow.

If Derrick Ward lists us a possible landing spot, and based on what he has done last season when Jacobs was out for a long time, I would say we should sign the guy. $4 million a year? Give him $5 million if that's what it takes. RBs are hit and miss. Derrick Ward has skills.

I don't care what he can do near the goal line, at least not as much as caring about all the other stuff he can do between the goal lines. In short: If Steve Slaton goes down, like Jacobs did last year, we need a SUITABLE running back like Ward (not a "project" guy who "might" do well).

Arizona and Cleveland are two teams that stand a great chance at getting into a bidding war for him, though: Cards know they need to settle that position, as do the Browns.

I agree. Plus he makes big time plays and the more play makers we get on offense the less our offense is off the field.

HOU-TEX
02-19-2009, 11:57 AM
I expect Dunta to do the same thing. Shop himself, then re-sign with the Texans.

Mmkay......maybe not. :cool:

Specnatz
02-19-2009, 11:58 AM
It's not about the Browns, guys. It's about Derrick Ward mentioning teams that have money under the salary cap that I can pit against each other and hopefully get a larger contract.

I fixed it for you.

InterestedJeff
02-19-2009, 12:01 PM
I would love to have Ward here. With that being said, I'm sure he is going to ask for a lot more than we're willing to spend, especially with the Green fiasco. I'm betting we end up drafting a more powerfull back but if we do end up with Ward I definentally wont be disapointed.

Porky
02-19-2009, 12:02 PM
Stupid question, but I have been so out of the loop this year. Too much else going on.

What day does the free agency period begin?

I would love to have Ward as a compliment to Slaton if we can make it happen. We can then likely use that 4th or 5th rounder I had us using a RB on for some other position.

Mailman
02-19-2009, 12:03 PM
Feb 27th.

Hardcore Texan
02-19-2009, 01:09 PM
$4 million is way to high a price to sign a change of pace back. I don't care how much cap room we have we cannot go throwing the checkbook around. That stuff catches up with you eventually. He will not be a starting RB so I would sign him to half that, but no chance @ $4 mil.

I don't think he would be a change a pace back, he has more potential than that. If we did get him, I see the Texans using him to at least split the carries or even carry more than half the load based on his size. Slaton was originally thought by the staff to be a third down back IIRC correctly, before all the injuries that happened to the guys in front of him, forcing him to carry the ENTIRE load all year. No one expected Slaton to be able to handle the load that well and he still had "dead legs" at one point and had to be rested.

We can't keep doing that to Slaton, or he will be worn down and broke down before we know it. He needs help, we need a sizeable guy who can pound it and Ward fits that mold.

Slaton has the potential to be lethal with 15-20 touches a game.

TheRealJoker
02-19-2009, 02:20 PM
This is a 2 RB league nowadays. The time when you handed the ball off 25-30 times a game are over. We sign Ward then we have 2 starting caliber RBs and if one goes down our running game doesn't skip a beat.

EX: Mid 3rd quarter against the Colts, Texans up by 3. Slaton goes down. We have to keep running the ball and keep Peyton off the field until time runs out, if we dont have a starting caliber RB like Ward Kubes has to change his gameplan and go pass happy even though the D knows they dont have to respect the run because we dont have anyone back there worth respecting.

Just knowing that we wont have to change our gameplan if Slaton goes down is worth the $4M per year. You want a big power back? Fine, I get it. But dont spend a 2nd or 3rd on a guy that can also POTENTIALLY (notice that word? Whereas Ward is proven) carry the load. Sign Ward then draft your 1 trick pony short yardage specialist in the late rounds. I'm all for strengthening our running back depth.

Also, if we sign Ward it opens up the option of signing a top interior OL in the 2nd or 3rd rather than having to worry about another RB. Signing Ward marks another NEED off the list, another hole has been filled further allowing us to draft BPA which is what everyone wants to do.

Hardcore Texan
02-19-2009, 02:24 PM
Ward is 5'11", 228lbs, with good speed, vision, and nice moves. He can pound it.

RipTraxx
02-19-2009, 02:27 PM
Hate to be picky but....


Did the giants run the ZBS? With a guy like Brandon Jacobs i would thing they have a power running game.

If so bring him on.

Mari-OWNED!
02-19-2009, 03:04 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55813

^ I liked Derrick Ward in November, and I still like him now. I say go for it!

$4mil/year doesn't seem like he's asking for too much.

badboy
02-19-2009, 03:51 PM
In regards to running backs, I prefer our history of selecting RBs in draft over FA. I am hopeful the Texans learned learned from the poor results of getting RBs with more than 3 years on their bodies. Even a 3rd year would maybe put a question in my mind. For every guy you name that is great 4+ years in league, you can find one that is out of league. This is a strong draft for RBs in 3rd, 4th and 5th. Let's draft a guy and then take some cheap FA or undrafted guy to put bodies in camo and let the dust settle.

WolverineFan
02-19-2009, 03:54 PM
In regards to running backs, I prefer our history of selecting RBs in draft over FA. I am hopeful the Texans learned learned from the poor results of getting RBs with more than 3 years on their bodies. Even a 3rd year would maybe put a question in my mind. For every guy you name that is great 4+ years in league, you can find one that is out of league. This is a strong draft for RBs in 3rd, 4th and 5th. Let's draft a guy and then take some cheap FA or undrafted guy to put bodies in camo and let the dust settle.

That was my train of thought as well. I would rather pay a 3rd-4th round RB $1-2 mil a year than pay $4 mil a year for somebody who will not start.

Slaton would get 75% of the carries. You don't need to pay a guy $4 mil a year to get 25% of the carries.

Hardcore Texan
02-19-2009, 04:38 PM
That was my train of thought as well. I would rather pay a 3rd-4th round RB $1-2 mil a year than pay $4 mil a year for somebody who will not start.

Slaton would get 75% of the carries. You don't need to pay a guy $4 mil a year to get 25% of the carries.

Why would Slaton get 75% of the carries?

infantrycak
02-19-2009, 05:25 PM
Why would Slaton get 75% of the carries?

Because that is SOP in the NFL generally and more particularly because Kubiak is a believer in riding the hot back. The Broncos have been known as a RBBC team and yet rarely does it ever get close to 50/50.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 05:43 PM
The fact that he mentions the Texans has got to be a sign that there has at least been some level of contact between the two parties.

I don't know if I am 100% down with the move, but it would at least show that the Texans have learned from what happened with Domanick Davis. In today's league you really have to have 2 quality backs or you are in danger of burning that back out quickly. Not sure if we should spend such a potentially high price for someone to share carries with Slaton, but it would probably be in Slaton's best interests long-term if not the team's.

Personally, I would probably spend the FA coin on our defense and try and draft a goal-line/short yardage type back after the 1st Round or maybe pick up a guy off of waivers. That isn't because I think Ward would suck or anything but more that I think our defense is what needs more help.

one thing is for sure if we had Ward, Slaton, Daniels, Johnson, Walter, and Leach that is a pretty nice package for Schaub to work with. Couple that with the upside of our Offensive Line, we could CONTINUE to be a top offense and possibly eliminate the mistakes that keep the Texan's offense from being truly elite.

threetoedpete
02-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Ward is 5'11", 228lbs, with good speed, vision, and nice moves. He can pound it.

McClain seemed pretty animate that we wouldn't go after Ward. His other point was that Ward would be foolish to come here for seven to ten touches a game. I'm sure Ward would except the checks....just doesn't seem very logical.

It's not on their (McClain's reported Texans wish list) list. But I'm holding out hope that Quinn Johnson some how falls and we have a shot at him. I think he'd be a good green zone/short yardage specialist.

Second Honeymoon
02-19-2009, 05:58 PM
McClain seemed pretty animate that we wouldn't go after Ward. His other point was that Ward would be foolish to come here for seven to ten touches a game. I'm sure Ward would except the checks....just doesn't seem very logical.

It's not on their (McClain's reported Texans wish list) list. But I'm holding out hope that Quinn Johnson some how falls and we have a shot at him. I think he'd be a good green zone/short yardage specialist.

Quinn Johnson. The fullback from LSU? He didn't even get the ball at LSU. Have you seen something from him that makes you think he could be a RB in the NFL? He seems more like a training camp invitee than someone we would need to fall to us. I don't know if I could see him going before the 6th Round.

He does have potential though because he was a converted linebacker and could improve as a carrier if in the right system. Maybe they could take a 6th Round or 7th Round pick on him and see if he can be that guy we need for goalline/shortyardage situations.

TEXANRED
02-19-2009, 06:03 PM
If we had Ward that would mean that we score inside the redzone.

Scoring in the redzone means making more points.

Making more points means winning those 3 games we should of won last year.

Unless you are the Pats, 11-5 means you get to go to the playoffs.

Come on Smith, make it so.

ObsiWan
02-19-2009, 06:20 PM
In regards to running backs, I prefer our history of selecting RBs in draft over FA. I am hopeful the Texans learned learned from the poor results of getting RBs with more than 3 years on their bodies. Even a 3rd year would maybe put a question in my mind. For every guy you name that is great 4+ years in league, you can find one that is out of league. This is a strong draft for RBs in 3rd, 4th and 5th. Let's draft a guy and then take some cheap FA or undrafted guy to put bodies in camo and let the dust settle.

Excuse me? WHAT draft history!?!

Via the draft, we've picked up Lundy, Darius Walker, Chris Taylor, Damien Rhodes (don't remember him? me neither, I had to look him up), and Steve Slaton since The Smithiak has been here (circa 2006). Three of those four guys are gone. Did I miss anyone?

Free agency has graced us with Antwain Smith (2006), Samkon Gado (actually that was a trade wasn't it?), Ron Dayne, Chris Brown, and Ahman Green. On the other hand, that's how we got Vonta Leach too. And contrary to popular belief, he's a not actually a bulldozer but a running back.

History, you say??
looks like a wash to me. one-fer-five in the draft. one-fer-five in F/A. And you could say that both Darius Walker (draft) and Ron Dayne (F/A) contributed when called upon. So maybe both catagories are a little better than one-fer... but not a lot. Not enough to say we've done waaaay better in the draft than we have in F/A. Its just that our F/A "busts" were much more visible. ...or is "painful" the word I'm looking for?

Anywho, all that diatribe to say, Ward is more worth a gamble than any other F/A RB we've signed in the Smithiak era. ...at least IMHO.

And I'd say they'd split the carries 50/50 over the course of the season. Kubiak's like most coaches, will go with the hot guy. If Slaton is productive in a given game he'll get more carries. If Ward's hot, then Ward will get the carries. Over a 16+ game season, I think that balances out. They have similar skill sets so, we don't "tip our hand" by pulling one or the other. And at $4mil/yr, that's cheaper than Ahman was at $23 Mil for four yrs.

Hardcore Texan
02-19-2009, 06:38 PM
Excuse me? WHAT draft history!?!

Via the draft, we've picked up Lundy, Darius Walker, Chris Taylor, Damien Rhodes (don't remember him? me neither, I had to look him up), and Steve Slaton since The Smithiak has been here (circa 2006). Three of those four guys are gone. Did I miss anyone?

Free agency has graced us with Antwain Smith (2006), Samkon Gado (actually that was a trade wasn't it?), Ron Dayne, Chris Brown, and Ahman Green. On the other hand, that's how we got Vonta Leach too. And contrary to popular belief, he's a not actually a bulldozer but a running back.

History, you say??
looks like a wash to me. one-fer-five in the draft. one-fer-five in F/A. And you could say that both Darius Walker (draft) and Ron Dayne (F/A) contributed when called upon. So maybe both catagories are a little better than one-fer... but not a lot. Not enough to say we've done waay better in the draft than we have in F/A.

Its just that our F/A "busts" were much more visible. ...or is "painful" the wod I'm looking for?

Off the top of my head Walker was an undrafted free agent, and I am pretty sure Chris Taylor was also. I believe we got Lundy in the 6th IIRC, which is good if they work out but no gurantees. I don't even remember Rhodes. Gado was a trade from Green Bay, we gave up Morency for him.....both went on to get released.

Edit* Rhodes and Taylor where undrafted free agents as well:

May 4: Signed undrafted free agents DE Phillip Alexander, QB Matt Baker, G Mike Brisiel, G Kelvin Chaisson, DE Jeff Charleston, FB Quadtrine Hill, RB Damien Rhodes, WR Richie Ross, RB Chris Taylor, DB John Walker

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/texanstrasactions.asp

Hardcore Texan
02-19-2009, 06:52 PM
Lundy, Darius Walker, Chris Taylor, Damien Rhodes

And Lundy was a 6th round pick, my memory isn't totally gone.

http://ind.scout.com/2/569462.html


1 out of 4 isn't bad.....LOL

ObsiWan
02-19-2009, 06:56 PM
Off the top of my head Walker was an undrafted free agent, and I am pretty sure Chris Taylor was also. I believe we got Lundy in the 6th IIRC, which is good if they work out but no gurantees. I don't even remember Rhodes. Gado was a trade from Green Bay, we gave up Morency for him.....both went on to get released.

you are correct, sir!
Walker, Taylor, and Rhodes were all UDFAs. But I lumped them with the draftees since they all joined the team a rookies. Too me they're more like "walk-ons" than what I'd call true free agents. But I think we're starting to nitpick here. (dang the off-season is slow!):)

Bottom line we've only had one true keeper from each catagory: Slaton from the draft
Vonta Leach from F/A.
So IMHO, Ward is young enough and cheap enough to be worth a shot.
Now I'm not gonna fall on my sword about this because maybe there's probably a 3rd or 4th round guy we might can make work out there. But it sure would be nice to wrap this little issue up right now and be able to go total defense on Draft Day.
...well, maybe get some O-line depth too

Hardcore Texan
02-19-2009, 06:58 PM
Because that is SOP in the NFL generally and more particularly because Kubiak is a believer in riding the hot back. The Broncos have been known as a RBBC team and yet rarely does it ever get close to 50/50.

I would envision something like 2/3 for Slaton, the other 1/3 Ward. They would both be fresh late in the game when hopefully the D is worn down.

ObsiWan
02-19-2009, 06:58 PM
I guess the only unknown (for me) is:
Can Ward block!?

stingray
02-19-2009, 07:01 PM
Ward is also somewhat injury prone. This past year was the first time he played a whole season. He missed 10 games in his first two years.

ObsiWan
02-19-2009, 07:30 PM
Injury prone!?
Well, hell, he's as good as signed.
:D

mattieuk
02-19-2009, 07:36 PM
Ward is also somewhat injury prone. This past year was the first time he played a whole season. He missed 10 games in his first two years.

In fairness, one of those injuries, was a cracked fibula. Not really a 'injury prone' type of injury there, like a dodgey hamstring or anything...

Tailgate
02-19-2009, 07:41 PM
A big bruising back to compliment our home run threat.... I like it. They would be a ball to watch. We could even name them Smash and Dash.

BigBull17
02-19-2009, 07:47 PM
A big bruising back to compliment our home run threat.... I like it. They would be a ball to watch. We could even name them Smash and Dash.

Lets be original... Dash and Smash.

threetoedpete
02-19-2009, 11:03 PM
Quinn Johnson. The fullback from LSU? He didn't even get the ball at LSU. Have you seen something from him that makes you think he could be a RB in the NFL? He seems more like a training camp invitee than someone we would need to fall to us. I don't know if I could see him going before the 6th Round.

He does have potential though because he was a converted linebacker and could improve as a carrier if in the right system. Maybe they could take a 6th Round or 7th Round pick on him and see if he can be that guy we need for goalline/shortyardage situations.


the touch down he scored in the game ? the passes he caught during practice ? The guy is cut. He has soft hands...and we have a TE/Fb slot open. It wouldn't be the first time a college program was so loaded with talent at the Rb slot....that they missed a talent. Preist Holmes comes to mind.

All I know about it is they have to elevate the forty something touch down rate in the green zone. Lil' Shanny making better calls might help. If you're going with a feather weight at the center spot....I like my idea of getting another 250 RB behind the hammer. I thought Johnson's second effort on his touch down score was exactly, precisely what we need in the green zone.

ArlingtonTexan
03-01-2009, 02:59 PM
Update:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/sources-interest-in-ward-picking-up/

Free agent running back Derrick Ward is beginning to gain some more interest around the NFL, according to sources close to the situation.

Ward is in Denver today meeting with the Broncos. In addition, the Philadelphia Eagles, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Houston Texans are expressing interest, depending on Ward’s price tag, which has dropped since the free agent market opened.

In 16 games for the Giants last season, Ward rushed for 1,025 yards and caught 41 passes for 384 yards, all career highs.

More on this story as it develops.

Big Lou
03-01-2009, 03:07 PM
I guess the only unknown (for me) is:
Can Ward block!?

I read some where that he is an excellent pass blocker, as well as a great reciever that can move out and be the 4th WR anytime.

Also he weighs something like 235 lbs. he could be the thunder to SS's lightning!!!!!

GP
03-01-2009, 07:15 PM
Denver just acquired JJ Arrington and Buckhalter (IIRC). I don't see them snagging Ward.

I don't see Philly signing him, either.

We won't sign him because I think we spent our allowance on Antonio Smith. Plus, Smithiak will probably roll out the obligatory mid-round draft pick on a RB to address the need for another one.

I see him signing with the Bucs. They need a legitimate RB there. And it's a place that will use him as the feature back, not as the 2nd RB like he'd be used with the Giants/Texans/Eagles. Denver MIGHT be a place where they could promise him that he'd get the 1st RB duties, though.

So I predict Bucs, or Broncos as a darkhorse team for Ward. Texans would be an outside shot on that list.

Scooter
03-01-2009, 07:30 PM
i think ward would be an incredible signing for the team and would fit a lot of what we want to do (as i assume it to be). if we could bring him in that'd be one more draft pick to give to the defense, and ward looks like a perfect fit for what we have already in slaton and how we run the offense.

DocBar
03-01-2009, 09:34 PM
If we can get Benson for 1-2 mil a year, I'd rather go that route. RB's can be hit and miss, but I see more hits than misses with this FO. The only way we sign Ward is if Gibbs really likes him.

Mike Kerns
03-02-2009, 12:12 PM
Just saw on The ESPN ticker that The Giants rejected Ward's Multi-year proposal. I just dont see us giving him what he is asking for. Looks like it is Benson and/or Draft for us.

But, anything can happen in Free agency.

TexansFan33
03-02-2009, 12:15 PM
Sorry Derrick, wake up! your 29... you ran behind arguably the best line in the NFL after Brandon Jacobs softened them up.

4Texans
03-02-2009, 12:17 PM
Just saw on The ESPN ticker that The Giants rejected Ward's Multi-year proposal. I just dont see us giving him what he is asking for. Looks like it is Benson and/or Draft for us.

But, anything can happen in Free agency.

Please, let's talk to Ward. Please! He and Slaton would be great 1 - 2 punch.

Brando
03-02-2009, 09:57 PM
Scratch Ward off your wish list he is now a Buccaneer.....

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/02/ward-signs-with-bucs/)

The Derrick Ward free agency tour has ended.

And the final resting stop was Tampa.

Per a league source, Ward has agreed to terms on a four-year, $17 million deal.

He’ll earn $6 million guaranteed in the first year, $9.25 million over the first two, and $13 million over the first three.

Brando
03-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Scratch Ward off your wish list he is now a Buccaneer.....

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/02/ward-signs-with-bucs/)

The Derrick Ward free agency tour has ended.

And the final resting stop was Tampa.

Per a league source, Ward has agreed to terms on a four-year, $17 million deal.

He’ll earn $6 million guaranteed in the first year, $9.25 million over the first two, and $13 million over the first three.

Texecutioner
03-02-2009, 09:59 PM
Scratch Ward off your wish list he is now a Buccaneer.....

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/02/ward-signs-with-bucs/)

The Derrick Ward free agency tour has ended.

And the final resting stop was Tampa.

Per a league source, Ward has agreed to terms on a four-year, $17 million deal.

He’ll earn $6 million guaranteed in the first year, $9.25 million over the first two, and $13 million over the first three.


WOW! That is a surprise and I don't understand this signing at all. The Bucs have a very good RB in Earnest Graham.

Now I'm not sure if the Bucs are going to keep Graham or not but if w\he would become available he would be a GREAT person to add with Slaton. He is a team guy and a good pounder and one of the most under rated RB's in the league. He'll do whatever you ask of him. If the Bucs drop Ward, I'd love to go after Graham.

GuerillaBlack
03-02-2009, 10:01 PM
The best fit for Ward. I think we end up signing Benson.

Texecutioner
03-02-2009, 10:02 PM
Scratch Ward off your wish list he is now a Buccaneer.....

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/02/ward-signs-with-bucs/)

This should be interesting to see what the Bucs end up doing with Earnest Graham then. If the Bucs end up releasing him, then he would be the perfect compliment to Slaton. He is a total team guy with a great attitude and a really good pound runner especially in the red zone which is what we need.

I would have no problem at all trading a 3rd rounder for Graham either since he is a proven back with not that much tread on the tires. He had no problem playing FB for the Bucs when their FB went down last season for a game or two. He'll do whatever is asked. Slaton and Graham could be a great duo for years if he becomes available.

Graham has out performed Benson in all kinds of ways.

GuerillaBlack
03-02-2009, 10:10 PM
That's only if Graham is available.

Goatcheese
03-02-2009, 10:31 PM
WOW! That is a surprise and I don't understand this signing at all. The Bucs have a very good RB in Earnest Graham.

Now I'm not sure if the Bucs are going to keep Graham or not but if w\he would become available he would be a GREAT person to add with Slaton. He is a team guy and a good pounder and one of the most under rated RB's in the league. He'll do whatever you ask of him. If the Bucs drop Ward, I'd love to go after Graham.

I don't get this signing from any angle really. They have some good RBs, and randomly gave him over 4 mil a year after he had to beg for just 3 mil/year. I guess they're having trouble with people actually wanting to go there.

painekiller
03-02-2009, 10:52 PM
WOW! That is a surprise and I don't understand this signing at all. The Bucs have a very good RB in Earnest Graham.



The league has cap on how much a team can spend and it has a bottom. Tampa Bay is so far below the bottom line they are having to make trades and over pay as many of their new guys as possible. Since Haynesworth did not even look at them, they are going to have a hard time getting to the league minimum.

ChampionTexan
03-02-2009, 10:59 PM
WOW! That is a surprise and I don't understand this signing at all. The Bucs have a very good RB in Earnest Graham.

Now I'm not sure if the Bucs are going to keep Graham or not but if w\he would become available he would be a GREAT person to add with Slaton. He is a team guy and a good pounder and one of the most under rated RB's in the league. He'll do whatever you ask of him. If the Bucs drop Ward, I'd love to go after Graham.

If they get rid of anybody, it will likely be Cadillac.

mussop
03-02-2009, 11:13 PM
What a LOOSER. He could of played for the HOUSTON TEXANS!!!! :aggressive:

Vinny
03-02-2009, 11:27 PM
Graham/Ward is a good tandem and then throw in Winslow and you have something nice happening in TB.

awtysst
03-02-2009, 11:59 PM
Graham/Ward is a good tandem and then throw in Winslow and you have something nice happening in TB.

Yep. I think they are moving from a studly D with an ok offense(ie Ravens 2000) to a more well balanced team.

Hookem Horns
03-03-2009, 01:51 AM
Honestly I think Ward was a product of the Giants system. He was never as effective without Brandon Jacobs. Jacobs would wear down the defense and Ward would then step in and outrun everyone. I watched just about every Giants game last season and that is my opinion. As a Giants fan I am not sweating losing him because it seems like anyone they put back there gets big yards. Ahmad Bradshaw was just as impressive or more so than Ward when he got onto the field. The Giants won't miss a beat with Bradshaw.

I won't be surprised if Ward becomes a forgotten back in Tampa.

The Pencil Neck
03-03-2009, 01:59 AM
Honestly I think Ward was a product of the Giants system. He was never as effective without Brandon Jacobs. Jacobs would wear down the defense and Ward would then step in and outrun everyone. I watched just about every Giants game last season and that is my opinion. As a Giants fan I am not sweating losing him because it seems like anyone they put back there gets big yards. Ahmad Bradshaw was just as impressive or more so than Ward when he got onto the field. The Giants won't miss a beat with Bradshaw.

I won't be surprised if Ward becomes a forgotten back in Tampa.

This is why I started backing off of Ward. Several Giants fans said the same thing.

mexican_texan
03-03-2009, 02:18 AM
Honestly I think Ward was a product of the Giants system. He was never as effective without Brandon Jacobs. Jacobs would wear down the defense and Ward would then step in and outrun everyone. I watched just about every Giants game last season and that is my opinion. As a Giants fan I am not sweating losing him because it seems like anyone they put back there gets big yards. Ahmad Bradshaw was just as impressive or more so than Ward when he got onto the field. The Giants won't miss a beat with Bradshaw.

I won't be surprised if Ward becomes a forgotten back in Tampa.
I think he's a good complimentary back. In a one-two punch, he's the two. I don't like Bradshaw as much, but I'm sure there's a back or two just waiting to break out.

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 10:13 AM
That's only if Graham is available.

We'll have to see what the Bucs next plan of action is. Graham though would be the most perfect guy to bring in right now because he is a very good bruising back and a very good back in the red zone which is exactly what we need and he is a team guy that doesn't get into trouble.

I guess if they're having cap problems to where they're not spending that much then it is highly unlikely that he'll be released or anything, but the Bucs management have never showed that much committment to Graham even after he had that great 9 game stretch two years ago when he came out of nowhere. I'd have no problem giving up a pick for him though, since we might use a pick on another back any way. Graham would be a for sure thing.

HOU-TEX
03-03-2009, 10:37 AM
Graham/Ward is a good tandem and then throw in Winslow and you have something nice happening in TB.

It'd be nice if they had a QB to run the O. Are going to count on McCown? Another WR wouldn't hurt either. IMO, the Bucs still need some help on both sides of the ball.

GP
03-03-2009, 10:55 AM
Denver just acquired JJ Arrington and Buckhalter (IIRC). I don't see them snagging Ward.

I don't see Philly signing him, either.

We won't sign him because I think we spent our allowance on Antonio Smith. Plus, Smithiak will probably roll out the obligatory mid-round draft pick on a RB to address the need for another one.

I see him signing with the Bucs. They need a legitimate RB there. And it's a place that will use him as the feature back, not as the 2nd RB like he'd be used with the Giants/Texans/Eagles. Denver MIGHT be a place where they could promise him that he'd get the 1st RB duties, though.

So I predict Bucs, or Broncos as a darkhorse team for Ward. Texans would be an outside shot on that list.

Well, I am 2-2 in my predictions.

1. Predicted on Saturday we would sign Orlovsky, and on Sunday we did.

2. Predicted Ward would sign with the Bucs, and he did.

I'm on fire!

disaacks3
03-03-2009, 11:04 AM
Well, I am 2-2 in my predictions.

1. Predicted on Saturday we would sign Orlovsky, and on Sunday we did.

2. Predicted Ward would sign with the Bucs, and he did.

I'm on fire!
Alright great prognosticator...here's two more:

1) Will the Texans sign Benson?

2) What position will the Texans take with their first pick in the Draft (Bonus for correct name)?