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HouSportsWriter
02-19-2009, 07:40 AM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80ec895c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true



texans pick....is,,,, Aaron Maybin
DE/LB, Penn State



woot!


tell me what do you think of him good? bad? or.... not worth it ?

i hope hes good =p if we get him

El Tejano
02-19-2009, 07:56 AM
I say good. Not necessarily the name I want but is a good player at a position of need for us.

HouSportsWriter
02-19-2009, 08:02 AM
kk thanks for the post =]:kingkong::splits:

BigBull17
02-19-2009, 09:14 AM
I say good. Not necessarily the name I want but is a good player at a position of need for us.

I also saw some of his hi lights of his last night, and he is VERY quick off the ball. Thats what we need. He isnt to great against the run, so bigger DE may be needed on 1st and 2nd down, but thats not the end of the world. Maybe once Maybin gets adjusted to the pros, he could be a 2 down line backer and a 3rd down DE. Could work.

nero THE zero
02-19-2009, 09:35 AM
Meh.

Lots of guys I'd rather have; Moreno, Laurinaitis, Jerry, Oher, Maclin, Johnson.

I'd hate to spend our first rounder on a situational player. I think I'd rather trade back even if I didn't get full value for the trade. This first round is looking very bland.

Errant Hothy
02-19-2009, 09:38 AM
My biggest concern with Maybin is that he is light. Don't be surprised if he weights in aroung 240 at the Combine.

If he runs well, agilioty more then 40 time, he could make a really interesting WLB prospect...maybe.

He also reminds me of Manny Lawson, the diffrence is that Lawson's stats were inflated due to playing next to Mario.

I'm not convinced I want him on my team, as somebody said somewhere else "He looks like a skiner Vernon Gholston". That's not a compliment.

recent photo:
http://www.allfootball247.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/aaron-maybin.jpg

BigBull17
02-19-2009, 09:43 AM
Meh.

Lots of guys I'd rather have; Moreno, Laurinaitis, Jerry, Oher, Maclin, Johnson.

I'd hate to spend our first rounder on a situational player. I think I'd rather trade back even if I didn't get full value for the trade. This first round is looking very bland.

Cause Moreno would'nt be situational? Or Maclin? Oher reshuffles our whole oline. Johnson is a 2nd round prospect, thats almost just like Maybin, but lazy. I in no way want Jerry, since I've seen alot of sccouting sites compare him to Travis Johnson. No.

nero THE zero
02-19-2009, 10:02 AM
Cause Moreno would'nt be situational? Or Maclin? Oher reshuffles our whole oline. Johnson is a 2nd round prospect, thats almost just like Maybin, but lazy. I in no way want Jerry, since I've seen alot of sccouting sites compare him to Travis Johnson. No.

Moreno is capable of playing all 3 downs. So is Maclin. So is Oher.

Johnson's a "second round prospect" in February. He's also 25lbs heavier than Maybin and much more capable against the run. There's a good chance he is a mid-late first rounder come April.

My worry is that Maybin is too light to play the run.

It would be ideal to trade back in the first. Like I said, I'd even take lesser value to do it. But, I just can't see how it is justifiable to take a "specialist" at 15.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/02/mixed_reviews_on_des_in_the_dr.html#comments
I'm finally starting to hear a buzz about some of the higher rated DEs in this year's draft and the buzz has been mixed at best.

Penn State DE Aaron Maybin is the one player who draws the most mixed reviews. One evaluator said that after grading Maybin on tape, it would be impossible to give him a draft grade any higher than the fourth round if you base it purely on the film. Then again, there is another team praying that Maybin gets to them in the first round. I guess they are depending more on how he projects than his 2008 body of work.

beerlover
02-19-2009, 11:16 AM
great potential in a 3-4 @ OLB. I'd like a more proven player or at least one who fits our system better. :cool:

BigBull17
02-19-2009, 11:33 AM
Moreno is capable of playing all 3 downs. So is Maclin. So is Oher.

Johnson's a "second round prospect" in February. He's also 25lbs heavier than Maybin and much more capable against the run. There's a good chance he is a mid-late first rounder come April.

My worry is that Maybin is too light to play the run.

It would be ideal to trade back in the first. Like I said, I'd even take lesser value to do it. But, I just can't see how it is justifiable to take a "specialist" at 15.
http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/02/mixed_reviews_on_des_in_the_dr.html#comments

I also want a trade down, but you have to have a partner. Moreno isnt a 3 down running back for us because we have a damn near Pro Bowl running back. He would be a 1st round pick who would run the ball 6 times a game. Thats more of a specialist than Maybin. Johnson has 25 lbs, true, but he is taller. Alot taller. He has a lean frame.

Ole Miss Texan
02-19-2009, 11:44 AM
That is not fair one bit that the Lions get Matthew Stafford AND Michael Oher AND have the 33rd pick!

The closer we get to the draft, the more and more in favor I am of trading down. It seems that for our Needs, the best place to be is in the 20's/bottom of the 1st or top of the 2nd round. You name the position: DE, LB, CB, S, etc.

Back to the pick at 15 though. I like Maybin although I don't know much about him. I pray that any guy we take at this spot would be able to play 4-3 DE. It's just pretty risky pickin'

I'd love to pick up Michael Oher even if it's plugging him in at guard. The guy is just so versatile and has so much upside, it's incredible. If Brown or Winston get injured, he could move over to either LT or RT in a pinch... in a heartbeat. Pitts has been a lifelong Texan and hopefully stays healthy. Oher could man the RG position from day 1 and we'd have a very capable backup (Brisiel). Oher would be my pick if he's available. We'd get a quality starter on the OL with huge upside, it would help in the redzone/goal line, and if Brown, Pitts, Brisiel or Winston... if just one of them goes down for any length of time right now we're screwed. Oher would be a huge insurance policy and at #15, it's not too early to pick a Guard.

TimeKiller
02-19-2009, 12:16 PM
The only way I'm okay with drafting Maybin @15 or anywhere is because Kubiak/Bush thinks he is an OLB first, pass rusher 2nd.

Oher would be a better pick in this draft.

mussop
02-20-2009, 09:00 AM
I would hope we went Oher in that situation.

nunusguy
02-20-2009, 09:35 AM
If you caught 1560s "Draft-Show" yesterday with LZ & John Harris you heard their guest, "NFL Draft Scouts" Rob Rang, call Maybin a "tight-skinned" player which seemed to imply the Penn State DE would have more difficuty adding lbs than other players. But I dunno, what exactly does "tight skinned" mean in this context ?

bah007
02-20-2009, 09:43 AM
If you caught 1560s "Draft-Show" yesterday with LZ & John Harris you heard their guest, "NFL Draft Scouts" Rob Rang, call Maybin a "tight-skinned" player which seemed to imply the Penn State DE would have more difficuty adding lbs than other players. But I dunno, what exactly does "tight skinned" mean in this context ?

If you have seen a picture of Maybin then you know what he is talking about.

To me, it looks like Maybin is pretty maxed out.

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2009, 12:05 PM
His upperbody looks fine. What I think he needs to do is add more "weight" in his lower body. Work on his lower body strength and power. He'll HAVE to do that if he's to be used as a 4-3 end.

The Pencil Neck
02-20-2009, 01:27 PM
If you caught 1560s "Draft-Show" yesterday with LZ & John Harris you heard their guest, "NFL Draft Scouts" Rob Rang, call Maybin a "tight-skinned" player which seemed to imply the Penn State DE would have more difficuty adding lbs than other players. But I dunno, what exactly does "tight skinned" mean in this context ?

I'd imagine they just mean he's ripped, a very low bodyfat %.

If you're ripped, you can gain weight. :)

TheRealJoker
02-20-2009, 03:31 PM
Coach Kollar specializes in sub 250 DEs with high motors. He should have no problem coaching up Maybin to be an Aaron Schobel clone.

Myself, i'm hoping Kruger falls to our pick in the 2nd and we use the 1st on a different position but I wouldn't mind Maybin one bit. He'd give our DL an elite first step which would be very nice to see against Peyton Manning 2x a year.

threetoedpete
02-21-2009, 11:46 AM
That's what I'm thinking also Joker. My biggest Question about the guy is can he move to the will...eventually. You have to cover in the forty three. If he can't flip his hips turn and run then it is a very risky pick. If he can it's just a tempest in a tea pot. We'll find out when he works out. I agree it's doubtful his body will carry any more weight. McClain is pretty certain we will not take the guy. That's what he's posting in his chats any way. I find it curious that Freeny has been Kicking our butts for several seasons and we cut trails with a Freeny clone in terms of his feet and running the arc...and he's not good enough for the Texan's. Go figure?

mussop
02-21-2009, 03:04 PM
That's what I'm thinking also Joker. My biggest Question about the guy is can he move to the will...eventually. You have to cover in the forty three. If he can't flip his hips turn and run then it is a very risky pick. If he can it's just a tempest in a tea pot. We'll find out when he works out. I agree it's doubtful his body will carry any more weight. McClain is pretty certain we will not take the guy. That's what he's posting in his chats any way. I find it curious that Freeny has been Kicking our butts for several seasons and we cut trails with a Freeny clone in terms of his feet and running the arc...and he's not good enough for the Texan's. Go figure?


What makes any of you think Kubiack is okay with a small DE opposite Mario? Look at our current roster, all the DE's are in the Weaver mold. I think it is just a fan fantasy for us to have a Freeney type player on our team because of what he has done to us in the past. I just dont see us going with a smaller DE who isnt really good in run support early in the draft. I think some of you guys are forgetting how bad we are at stopping the run.

Lucky
02-21-2009, 04:05 PM
I'm not convinced I want him on my team, as somebody said somewhere else "He looks like a skiner Vernon Gholston". That's not a compliment.

Now a player can be too fit? Really?


To me, it looks like Maybin is pretty maxed out.
Maybin's 20 and he's already maxed out? Jeez.

The best reason not to take Maybin is his youth and inexperience. Kubiak needs to win now. He's still waiting for Okoye, the '07 wunderkind, to develop. Draft Maybin, and it might be the next head coach who reaps the benifit. Still, I would hate for this organization to pass on a player who in 3 seasons could be as good as any player in this draft.

bah007
02-21-2009, 04:46 PM
Now a player can be too fit? Really?


Maybin's 20 and he's already maxed out? Jeez.

The best reason not to take Maybin is his youth and inexperience. Kubiak needs to win now. He's still waiting for Okoye, the '07 wunderkind, to develop. Draft Maybin, and it might be the next head coach who reaps the benifit. Still, I would hate for this organization to pass on a player who in 3 seasons could be as good as any player in this draft.

Not what I meant.

We were talking about Maybin being able to put on extra weight so he could play DE. I don't think he can.

Lucky
02-21-2009, 04:57 PM
Not what I meant.

We were talking about Maybin being able to put on extra weight so he could play DE.
I'm saying how is it possible that a 20 year old that's already around 245 lbs not be able to put on weight over the course of his career? The 2011 Maybin could look much different than the 2009 version. And likely will.

bah007
02-21-2009, 05:15 PM
I'm saying how is it possible that a 20 year old that's already around 245 lbs not be able to put on weight over the course of his career? The 2011 Maybin could look much different than the 2009 version. And likely will.

Well how much do you think he can gain?

I'm not saying he is gonna weigh 245 for the rest of his life, but most teams like their three down DE's at least 265 (not all, but most) and JMO, but I don't think he will be able to add that much.

If you think he can, then great.

Lucky
02-21-2009, 05:48 PM
Well how much do you think he can gain?
I think you're overemphasizing weight. First, can he play? If so, then it's a matter of putting him in a position to succeed.

I could make a list of NFL DEs of similar size to Maybin when they were drafted. But, what's the point? The Texans need to find players who can make plays and put them in a position to do so. Not bind their decisions by metric limitations.

bah007
02-21-2009, 05:57 PM
I think you're overemphasizing weight. First, can he play? If so, then it's a matter of putting him in a position to succeed.

I could make a list of NFL DEs of similar size to Maybin when they were drafted. But, what's the point? The Texans need to find players who can make plays and put them in a position to do so. Not bind their decisions by metric limitations.

Either I'm not a very good communicator or you're just not getting it.

A question was asked about whether or not Maybin could add more weight to his frame. I don't believe that he can. I just answered the question. That's all I did. I didn't add anything about how that affects him as a prospect.

I also believe that has nothing to do with him as a player.

If you read previous posts I have made then you will find that I think weight has very little importance at all. In the trenches it is all about leg strength, hip power, and leverage.

The common denominator between those things is size. Bigger guys are usually stronger. But that doesn't necessarily mean that a guy like Maybin can't be strong.

I have Maybin rated as my #3 DE. I list him as a DE because that is where I think he will play, regardless of how much he weighs.

I was just answering the question that was asked about his frame.

Lucky
02-21-2009, 06:05 PM
We were talking about Maybin being able to put on extra weight so he could play DE. I don't think he can.

Either I'm not a very good communicator or you're just not getting it.

I have Maybin rated as my #3 DE. I list him as a DE because that is where I think he will play, regardless of how much he weighs.

OK. But, you can see how I thought the opposite.

bah007
02-21-2009, 06:10 PM
OK. But, you can see how I thought the opposite.

I follow you. I didn't communicate my position very well.

I didn't mean that Maybin can't play DE. I meant that I don't think Maybin can get up to that 265 area that most teams would like him at.

The Pencil Neck
02-21-2009, 06:11 PM
A question was asked about whether or not Maybin could add more weight to his frame. I don't believe that he can.

The guy is ripped. He's at a very low bodyfat percentage. Is he going to be able to add 20 pounds of pure muscle to his frame? No but you don't want him to.

He doesn't have to gain muscle to gain weight that's going to make him more effective. The problem with Maybin is that he's probably in single-digit bf%. That's not the healthiest place to be* and that's not the strongest place to be although it's probably the fastest weight for him. If you look at bodybuilders, bodybuilders get ripped and send their bf% down to the low single digits but when they're at their most ripped and competing (and look the most impressive), they're not at their strongest. In their offseason, they allow their bodyfat percentages to go up to 12-15% and that's when they get their strongest and build the muscle mass that they show later. They don't/can't stay ripped year-round.

Considering how ripped he is, Maybin could probably add a good 20 pounds (mostly fat) to his frame and still end up in the lower double digit bodyfat percentage. He'd probably be a lot stronger and feel better although he might get slightly slower. (He might NOT get slower.)


* When you're in the single digit bf%'s, your hormones can get screwy. You can also find yourself more prone to injury.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 01:26 AM
What makes any of you think Kubiack is okay with a small DE opposite Mario? Look at our current roster, all the DE's are in the Weaver mold. I think it is just a fan fantasy for us to have a Freeney type player on our team because of what he has done to us in the past. I just dont see us going with a smaller DE who isnt really good in run support early in the draft. I think some of you guys are forgetting how bad we are at stopping the run.

Well outside of Bullman's four....I'd say we could stand a little boost from You and McClain's tweener DT/RDE's. We have a choice here. Either we go get four elite DBs and eventually end up paying them ALL fourteen million per year guaranteed, try to out cover Manning's 2.5 second release. Or find the best first step guy we can get our hands on. Which would mean the extra pressure makes our Mid round and gray beard safety's more productive.

Like it or not, we're waiting on Okoye and Okam to grow up. Considering what the high end DTs are commanding in salary....I don't see Travis Johnson going any where any time soon. McClain keeps posting they'll take another DT and Safety...we'll see.

My other thought is they didn't release Weaver. Now we all saw it. Eye in the sky don't lie. There's got to be a reason Weaver is still on this roster. Weaver/Maybin in my mind, in spite of what McClain posts...in spite of what Kubiak prefers....makes a pretty potent rotation in 2009. I'd go to war with that.

mussop
02-22-2009, 10:27 AM
Well outside of Bullman's four....I'd say we could stand a little boost from You and McClain's tweener DT/RDE's. We have a choice here. Either we go get four elite DBs and eventually end up paying them ALL fourteen million per year guaranteed, try to out cover Manning's 2.5 second release. Or find the best first step guy we can get our hands on. Which would mean the extra pressure makes our Mid round and gray beard safety's more productive.

Like it or not, we're waiting on Okoye and Okam to grow up. Considering what the high end DTs are commanding in salary....I don't see Travis Johnson going any where any time soon. McClain keeps posting they'll take another DT and Safety...we'll see.

My other thought is they didn't release Weaver. Now we all saw it. Eye in the sky don't lie. There's got to be a reason Weaver is still on this roster. Weaver/Maybin in my mind, in spite of what McClain posts...in spite of what Kubiak prefers....makes a pretty potent rotation in 2009. I'd go to war with that.

Im all for a speed rusher, just not on the first round. I would rather draft an interior OL that I new would upgrade our OL (just an example) than spend our first on a player that is only in the game in certain situations. First round players need to contribute more than just on occasion. There should be similar type smaller, fast DE's in the second and third rounds.

Weaver is a confusing situation. Even if that were the plan we still need to find his replacement. I cant imagine he will be around after this year. Of coarse I have been saying that every since he got here. :gun:

TheRealJoker
02-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Im all for a speed rusher, just not on the first round. I would rather draft an interior OL that I new would upgrade our OL (just an example) than spend our first on a player that is only in the game in certain situations. First round players need to contribute more than just on occasion. There should be similar type smaller, fast DE's in the second and third rounds.

Weaver is a confusing situation. Even if that were the plan we still need to find his replacement. I cant imagine he will be around after this year. Of coarse I have been saying that every since he got here. :gun:

How do you know he's going to be a speed rusher his entire career? Texans could keep Weaver around this year for run downs and give Maybin time in an NFL offseason conditioning program to bulk up and get stronger at the point of attack so he can play full time DE in year 2. They can play him at OLB on run downs if he can flip his hips and run with TEs (like an upgraded Chaun Thompson). They can do any number of things, but the main thing they need to do on defense is get someone who can produce more than 4 sacks opposite Mario.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 11:18 PM
How do you know he's going to be a speed rusher his entire career? Texans could keep Weaver around this year for run downs and give Maybin time in an NFL offseason conditioning program to bulk up and get stronger at the point of attack so he can play full time DE in year 2. They can play him at OLB on run downs if he can flip his hips and run with TEs (like an upgraded Chaun Thompson). They can do any number of things, but the main thing they need to do on defense is get someone who can produce more than 4 sacks opposite Mario.

Yeah the speculation is maybin is up to 250. That's Sam backer size. I'm not saying he could make the transition in four months....but the guy isn't 235 no more. We're going to find out tomorrow if he can flip his hips and cover.