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Ole Miss Texan
02-17-2009, 12:20 PM
Great site to check out information on combine participants. Overview, Analysis, etc.

http://www.nfl.com/combine

threetoedpete
02-19-2009, 10:52 PM
Yeah, well I just went there looking for the weights and measurements of the o-lineman and they ain't up yet. So far the NFLn and .com coverage stinks.

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2009, 01:03 AM
I'm interested in Aaron Maybin and Everette Brown's weigh in numbers. Supposedly Brown has been losing some weight. I'm not one to think that these guys weights are the end all be all... but I do think it plays as a factor. Getting lighter isn't going to help their case to be picked as a 4-3 DE.

LonerATO
02-20-2009, 04:14 AM
Yeah, well I just went there looking for the weights and measurements of the o-lineman and they ain't up yet. So far the NFLn and .com coverage stinks.

I believe they wait till the 21st to release that information to the public

nunusguy
02-20-2009, 09:40 AM
Yeah, well I just went there looking for the weights and measurements of the o-lineman and they ain't up yet. So far the NFLn and .com coverage stinks.

Its out there because I ran across a "weigh-in" # of 335 for 'Bamas Smith on a Rams message Board, but I dunno where the source is / So far I don't think NFL.Com has posted this info ?

Errant Hothy
02-20-2009, 11:21 AM
Figured it might be time to start one. Feel free to post any and all news items, rumors, tid bits about who the Texans are watching, seen interested in, or are following here.

http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/02/lsu_guard_herman_johnson.html

INDIANAPOLIS -- LSU guard Herman "House" Johnson showed up at the NFL Scouting Combine at a relatively svelte 364 pounds, considerably less than from his collegiate playing days in Baton Rouge.

Johnson interviewed with several teams on Wednesday night, among them the Rams, Dolphins, Texans, Jaguars and Bills. He said some teams have spoken to him about playing right tackle, but most are interested in keeping him at guard.

I don't see how he fits in with what we are doing on the line, but it sounds like we did talk to him.

Honoring Earl 34
02-20-2009, 11:45 AM
Figured it might be time to start one. Feel free to post any and all news items, rumors, tid bits about who the Texans are watching, seen interested in, or are following here.

http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/02/lsu_guard_herman_johnson.html



I don't see how he fits in with what we are doing on the line, but it sounds like we did talk to him.

Maybe they're gonna make him a DT . He would be a space eater .

Ole Miss Texan
02-20-2009, 01:01 PM
Maybe they're gonna make him a DT . He would be a space eater .

Haha, not a bad idea!

I think Johnson has potential to be a really really good guard. I don't know that he would fit on this team though. If he ends up in the right blocking system he could be great as a RG.

Wolf6151
02-20-2009, 02:14 PM
He needs to lose another 30-35 lbs. and work on his conditioning and footwork, but right now I think he's a probably a 3rd round pick at best.

Polo
02-20-2009, 02:18 PM
I heard on the radio the Texans were looking at some guy out of Canada. Don't know his name or position.

rmartin65
02-20-2009, 03:02 PM
I heard on the radio the Texans were looking at some guy out of Canada. Don't know his name or position.

I found an article, DT Vaughn Martin from Western Ontario. 6'3" 328 pounds, but the article says he only had 20.5 tackles and 1.5 sacks...

http://www.universitysport.ca/e/story_detail.cfm?id=13789

Brandon420tx
02-20-2009, 03:09 PM
Praise from Mayock for Steve Slaton. Said his performance in the off tackle drill elevated him 2 rounds in Mayocks mind.

Polo
02-20-2009, 03:20 PM
Slaton ?

Brandon420tx
02-20-2009, 03:28 PM
Slaton ?

He was talking about what drill he likes to watch most for running backs. He mentioned last year he was able to watch them all go through the Off-Tackle Drill.

Its where they take the handoff from the QB, accellerate over some bags and around cones and then face off against a coach with a big bag. The coach is supposed to lean the bag one way or the other, and the RB has to respond by cutting and accelerating around the cone in the opposite way the coach tipped the bag.

He said something along the lines of Slaton having the best vision, cut, and acceleration when it came time to face off vs. the coach.

steelbtexan
02-20-2009, 03:53 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a list of height weight etc. stats?

threetoedpete
02-20-2009, 04:14 PM
Apparently wanna know fast gotta pay. NFl.com has some up now. Whether they are official or not who knows.

wags
02-20-2009, 09:46 PM
NFL | Byrd has talked to several teams at combine
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:34:50 -0800

Louisiana State WR Demetrius Byrd said among the teams he has talked to at the NFL Scouting Combine are the Green Bay Packers, the Cleveland Browns, the Indianapolis Colts, the Houston Texans, the Miami Dolphins, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions.


http://kffl.com



Basic info- He's 6'0" 200 lbs and is generally considered a mid to late-rounder in the draft.

TheRealJoker
02-20-2009, 09:58 PM
http://kffl.com



Basic info- He's 6'3" 200 lbs and is generally considered a mid to late-rounder in the draft.

Is he a prospect for return man? Could be we're gonna get rid of Jacoby...

b0ng
02-20-2009, 10:03 PM
This guy did 39 reps on the bench. (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/louis-vasquez?id=71501)

holy shit.

wags
02-20-2009, 10:08 PM
Is he a prospect for return man? Could be we're gonna get rid of Jacoby...


Don't know about returns but here's some more info:

Byrd signed with LSU as one of the elite JUCO prospects in the country. He led the team with seven touchdown receptions in his first season, six of which came against elite SEC competition. But Byrd's senior season was a bit disappointing, as he failed to step up in the primary receiver role (37 receptions for 499 yards and four touchdowns). His value appears to be as a complementary receiver at the next level. Had an arm span of 33 3/8 inches and a hand span of 9 inches at the combine.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/demetrius-byrd?id=71235#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-overview

eriadoc
02-20-2009, 11:48 PM
This guy did 39 reps on the bench. (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/louis-vasquez?id=71501)

holy shit.

Wow. I wonder how agile he is? I haven't watched much TT football, and when I have, I haven't paid any attention to the line.

wags
02-21-2009, 12:40 AM
NFL | Norwood will not bench press at NFL Combine
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:26:24 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday, Feb. 20, Penn State WR Jordan Norwood measured a height of 5-foot-11 and a weight of 179 pounds. He said he will do everything at the NFL Combine except the bench press. He also said that he has spoken with the New Orleans Saints, the Houston Texans, the Oakland Raiders, the Cleveland Browns, the Cincinnati Bengals and the Denver Broncos.

http://kffl.com


Projects as a 7th rounder or undrafted FA on most mock sites.

He caught at least 32 balls in each of his four seasons as a part-time starter, but saved his best for his senior year. He garnered honorable mention All-Big Ten honors with 41 catches for 637 yards and six scores. Projects as a complementary receiver, may need to bide his time to prove himself at the next level. Had an arm span of 30 3/4 inches and a hand span of 8 5/8 inches at the combine.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jordan-norwood?id=71417

ChampionTexan
02-21-2009, 12:59 AM
Wow. I wonder how agile he is? I haven't watched much TT football, and when I have, I haven't paid any attention to the line.

All I know is what I read on this MB during last season's UT-Tech game, but based on that he probably holds really well.

mussop
02-21-2009, 05:18 AM
Maybe they're gonna make him a DT . He would be a space eater .

Hey that was my idea (http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402&highlight=Johnson&page=2).


I say we draft Herman (Monster) Johnson and put him at DT. Hey if anyone can tie up 2 blockers he could. 6'7" 386. What center would want that big SOB ligned up across from him? Seriously I wonder if he could do it?

mussop
02-21-2009, 05:29 AM
Wow we have 2 reports of talks with WR's. I thought this was going to be a D draft only?

b0ng
02-21-2009, 07:45 AM
Wow we have 2 reports of talks with WR's. I thought this was going to be a D draft only?

None of the guys mentioned are going to get selected in the first 3 rounds.

I am puzzled by this as well.

TheRealJoker
02-21-2009, 09:57 AM
They're looking for someone to beat out our big play/big liability Jacoby Jones.

Texans_Chick
02-21-2009, 10:32 AM
They're looking for someone to beat out our big play/big liability Jacoby Jones.

I think the Texans learned from 2006.

Special teams coach Joe Marciano likes designated guys as return men. In 2006, the Texans got into a bind (Mr. Glass Mathis) because they had to use guys on special teams that were sorta kinda returners. And special teams became an adventure.

In 2007, they brought in every WR with a return background they could. That if you were looking for a third or fourth wide receiver, that guy better be able to help with the return game.

bah007
02-21-2009, 10:35 AM
Wow. I wonder how agile he is? I haven't watched much TT football, and when I have, I haven't paid any attention to the line.

He's a slug.

He is strong as an ox but too big and slow for this offense.

b0ng
02-21-2009, 10:39 AM
He's a slug.

He is strong as an ox but too big and slow for this offense.

I figured him to be really good at Pass Protection and lack the natural quickness to be a great run blocker because of the system he's been playing in.

Wonder if his 40 time will be in the 6's.

bah007
02-21-2009, 10:44 AM
I figured him to be really good at Pass Protection and lack the natural quickness to be a great run blocker because of the system he's been playing in.

Wonder if his 40 time will be in the 6's.

It's hard to judge offensive linemen in the Big XII because the conference has decided they like being the "high octane offense" conference so they pretty much let the o linemen get away with whatever they want.

Vasquez will beat your ass into the ground if you try to go through him. He is mean.

I didn't see enough of him as a run blocker to make a judgment in that area. The only running plays they call are draws anyway.

Ole Miss Texan
02-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Don't know if the Texans have talked to him, but apparently Michael Oher is really impressing some people during his interviews (w/ reporters and such).

BattleRedToro
02-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Wow we have 2 reports of talks with WR's. I thought this was going to be a D draft only?

None of the guys mentioned are going to get selected in the first 3 rounds.

I am puzzled by this as well.

I think the reason the Texans are talking to these players is because they are some of the players that impressed their scouts.

Also, I don't think it would be wise for the Texans to focus soley on defensive players during the interviewing process.

The wise thing to do is to talk to as many players as possible, that way if you have the luxury of acquiring any of them you will be better prepared to make an informed and hopefully better decision.

ArlingtonTexan
02-21-2009, 03:14 PM
I think the reason the Texans are talking to these players is because they are some of the players that impressed their scouts.

Also, I don't think it would be wise for the Texans to focus soley on defensive players during the interviewing process.

The wise thing to do is to talk to as many players as possible, that way if you have the luxury of acquiring any of them you will be better prepared to make an informed and hopefully better decision.



The defensive players are just arriving today. There have not been any available to interview with the Texans. Should hear more tibbits regarding defensive palyers starting today.

The1ApplePie
02-21-2009, 03:20 PM
Wow we have 2 reports of talks with WR's. I thought this was going to be a D draft only?

If Maclin or Crabtree is there at 15, the Texans take them.

They planned to draft Ginn but Miami snagged him before us.

Lucky
02-21-2009, 04:07 PM
If Maclin or Crabtree is there at 15, the Texans take them.
No, they won't. The receiving corps is the strongest aspect of the team.

wags
02-21-2009, 04:28 PM
NFL | A. Brown says he is healthy
Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:19:11 -0800

North Carolina State RB Andre Brown said he has spoken to quite a few teams, including the Houston Texans, Cincinnati Bengals, Jacksonville Jaguars, New Orleans Saints, San Diego Chargers and Buffalo Bills. Brown, who had two previous surgeries on his left ankle, said he is healthy and played last season injury free.

http://kffl.com


Brown is 6'0" 224 lbs and considered a mid round pick in most mock drafts.


Brown never produced a 1,000-yard rushing season for the Wolfpck, but he also never had more than 175 carries. He reached that number his senior year, totaling 767 yards and seven touchdowns despite coming off two surgeries on a fractured left foot suffered in 2007. Brown was also the second-leading receiver for the WolfPack in 2008 with 29 catches for 309 yards and two scores. NFL teams running a zone-blocking scheme feel he's a nice fit for their one-cut-and-go system. Had an arm span of 32 1/8 inches and a hand span of 9 3/4 inches at the combine.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre-brown?id=71225

Lucky
02-21-2009, 04:43 PM
http://kffl.com


Brown is 6'0" 224 lbs and considered a mid round pick in most mock drafts.




http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre-brown?id=71225
A wags sighting!

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 05:45 PM
Clay Matthews wants to play for Texans or Titans
Next generation Matthews likes Houston, Titans

February 21, 2009 5:16 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky

INDIANAPOLIS -- Clay Matthews Jr. grew up in Southern California with affection for three teams -- the Cleveland Browns, the Atlanta Falcons and the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans.

His father played linebacker for 16 years with the Browns and three with the Falcons. His uncle was a versatile Hall of Fame offensive lineman for the Oilers/Titans for 19 years. The next generation Matthews said he has remained loyal to all three franchises.

A late bloomer, Matthews walked on at USC, blossomed into a top linebacker and is now projected to be selected in the first or second rounder.

After talking affectionately about Cleveland and Atlanta, he said he'd love to play for the Texans and be close to his uncle.

"I love Texas, I love coming out there and visiting him, to be able to play for Houston would just be a dream come true, I love the area and I love the team," Matthews said at his Saturday podium session at the combine.

How about Tennessee?

"I was able to come out I believe in 2001 and watch Eddie George run for 200 on the Raiders, I believe," he said.

He said he's come across a lot of people with a connection to his family as he prepares to enter the draft.

"I think every person I've met out here in one way or another has been in contact with either my dad or uncle in coaching or playing or training," he said. "In fact I just heard a guy who operated on my dad's arm when he broke it, he was real excited when he heard my name."

If Matthews doesn't have the same longevity in the NFL he should be OK. He graduated from USC in Dec. 2008 with a major in international relations with a minor in business law.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=09%20combine

wags
02-21-2009, 05:52 PM
A wags sighting!

Got lost in the shuffle of life for a bit. :)

NFL | Thomas has talked to several teams
Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:23:18 -0800

University of Maryland OG Jaimie Thomas said during his NFL Scouting Combine interview that among the teams he has talked to are the Houston Texans, the Kansas City Chiefs and the Dallas Cowboys. He also is scheduled to talk with the San Diego Chargers.

http://kffl.com


Thomas is 6'4" 323 lbs and projects as a late round pick in most mocks.

A three-year starter at left guard for the Terrapins, Thomas developed into an honorable mention ACC pick as a senior and could have contended for higher honors if not for an inconsistent offense. NFL teams looking for a drive-blocking guard will scout Thomas closely. Big and strong, Thomas is at his best attacking in short areas and driving straight ahead to create holes. Though he flashes the quickness to get to the second level, Thomas' lack of balance and agility in the open field doesn't make him a fit for zone-blocking teams


http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jaimie-thomas?id=71483

The1ApplePie
02-21-2009, 05:56 PM
No, they won't. The receiving corps is the strongest aspect of the team.

AJ and a bunch of scrubs...

Kubes won't pass on a gamebreaking WR, the Denver Broncos were always good when they had two and Kubes was crazy about Ginn.

I'll take a great WR over the most of the overrated pass rushers in this draft

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 05:57 PM
Sounds like he'd be a short yardage specialist

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 06:04 PM
AJ and a bunch of scrubs...

Kubes won't pass on a gamebreaking WR, the Denver Broncos were always good when they had two and Kubes was crazy about Ginn.

I'll take a great WR over the most of the overrated pass rushers in this draft

Our receiving corp a bunch of scrubs? That bunch of scrubs included a 6'3 220 pound Kevin Walter who snagged 60 receptions for 900 yards and 8 TDs.
It also included a probowl tight end named Owen Daniels who happened to catch 72 passes for almost 900 yards. Walter happened to average 15 yards per catch, putting him in the top half of ALL receivers.

Check the stats for #2 receivers in the NFL this year, and I think you'll be surprised to see where Walter ranks

Our "scrub" receiving corp averaged 280 yards per game, putting us at #4 overall. #1 was NO with 317 yards per game. Even if we added a superstar WR and moved into the number one spot, how is the extra 30 yards going to help us win games if we can't play defense?

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 06:09 PM
Texans and Orakapo linked:

Orapko is intriguing to Texans

February 21, 2009 5:56 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky

INDIANAPOLIS -- Texas defensive end Brian Orapko is viewed by some as the best defensive end in the draft.

If he's viewed that way by NFL decision-makers with the first 14 picks, than the Houston Texans won't even have a shot at him, but he's got to be intriguing to them considering that their primary offseason mission is to find pass-rush help to take some attention away from Mario Williams.

Williams accounted for 12 of his team's 25 sacks last season.

Orapko's official measurements were 6-3, and 263 - that's pretty impressive for a guy who was 210 in high school and now says he's eating all the time.

Here are some quick highlights of his podium session Saturday:

What is your best position?

"Any position. Right end, left end, Sam, Wil, mike, anything, 3-4, 4-3, it doesn't matter. That's the thing about being that athletic and as versatile as I am, you can put a guy in anything.

Are you serious about the Mike?

"No, I just threw that out there."

Are you a top-five player?

"I think I can be. I think have the potential, the athleticism and also the learning curve to be. It's not about the best player available. It's about the best player that's needed. So we'll see.''

What's your favorite position in a perfect world?

"In a perfect world, I just want to rush the passer, first through fourth down if it was a perfect world. Any position where I can be effective doing what I naturally do best and that's getting after the passer and affecting him. It's not all about the sacks, it's all about pressure.''



Same as above links

The1ApplePie
02-21-2009, 06:11 PM
Our receiving corp a bunch of scrubs? That bunch of scrubs included a 6'3 220 pound Kevin Walter who snagged 60 receptions for 900 yards and 8 TDs.
It also included a probowl tight end named Owen Daniels who happened to catch 72 passes for almost 900 yards. Walter happened to average 15 yards per catch, putting him in the top half of ALL receivers.

Check the stats for #2 receivers in the NFL this year, and I think you'll be surprised to see where Walter ranks

Our "scrub" receiving corp averaged 280 yards per game, putting us at #4 overall. #1 was NO with 317 yards per game. Even if we added a superstar WR and moved into the number one spot, how is the extra 30 yards going to help us win games if we can't play defense?

Quantity does not equal quality

3/4s of OD and KW numbers are thanks to AJ drawing coverage. The Raiders took away AJ and our "great" supporting cast did nothing when they actually had to perform. A guy that can play by himself and open up the field for AJ is needed.

Sounds better than any of the 3rd-down-only DEs like Maybin

DiehardChris
02-21-2009, 06:16 PM
I hope Clay Matthews blows up at the Combine, because I could see us reaching for him at 15. He's nasty, like his teammate Maualuga, and unlike Cushing.

I just don't want to FEEL like we reached. I want him to earn the slot.

I dunno. This first round pick is a mystery to me.

The1ApplePie
02-21-2009, 06:18 PM
I hope Clay Matthews blows up at the Combine, because I could see us reaching for him at 15. He's nasty, like his teammate Maualuga, and unlike Cushing.

I just don't want to FEEL like we reached. I want him to earn the slot.

I dunno. This first round pick is a mystery to me.

Clay is the man, and would be a great second round pick

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 06:19 PM
Quantity does not equal quality

3/4s of OD and KW numbers are thanks to AJ drawing coverage. The Raiders took away AJ and our "great" supporting cast did nothing when they actually had to perform. A guy that can play by himself and open up the field for AJ is needed.

Sounds better than any of the 3rd-down-only DEs like Maybin

Maybe you are confused as to the difference between a #1 and a #2 receiver. Usually the #1 gets the more advanced coverages, thus leaving more opportunities for the #2/#3 and so on. Of course AJ is going to affect the coverages for Walter and Daniels. Thats why they had almost 2,000 yards between them.

AJ was the leading receiver in the entire NFL last year for both yards and receptions. How do you figure he needs more coverage drawn away from him? That argument doesn't make sense to me.

You mention Kubiak and his connection to Denver, but Kubiak has said that Walter reminds him of Ed McCaffrey. Somehow I don't see Kubiak thinking of Walter as a scrub.

As for the Oakland game, our entire team came out flat. I don't think you can blame that loss on the lack of a #2 receiver. Daniels had 110 yards that game

DiehardChris
02-21-2009, 06:21 PM
Clay is the man, and would be a great second round pick

He won't be there at 46. Not a chance.

DiehardChris
02-21-2009, 06:25 PM
AJ and a bunch of scrubs...

Kubes won't pass on a gamebreaking WR, the Denver Broncos were always good when they had two and Kubes was crazy about Ginn.

I'll take a great WR over the most of the overrated pass rushers in this draft

That's just so wrong. I mean, if you mean the guys not named Kevin Walter, it's debatable - but Kevin Walter is an AWESOME #2. His blocking skills help this offense go when he's not catching the ball, and he's about as good a #2 in the NFL when he is catching it.

The1ApplePie
02-21-2009, 06:26 PM
Maybe you are confused as to the difference between a #1 and a #2 receiver. Usually the #1 gets the more advanced coverages, thus leaving more opportunities for the #2/#3 and so on. Of course AJ is going to affect the coverages for Walter and Daniels. Thats why they had almost 2,000 yards between them.

AJ was the leading receiver in the entire NFL last year for both yards and receptions. How do you figure he needs more coverage drawn away from him? That argument doesn't make sense to me.

You mention Kubiak and his connection to Denver, but Kubiak has said that Walter reminds him of Ed McCaffrey. Somehow I don't see Kubiak thinking of Walter as a scrub.

As for the Oakland game, our entire team came out flat. I don't think you can blame that loss on the lack of a #2 receiver. Daniels had 110 yards that game

A No. 2 also needs to make plays when the No. 1 is taken away (see Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl)

gtexan02
02-21-2009, 06:33 PM
A No. 2 also needs to make plays when the No. 1 is taken away (see Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl)

You mean like the 76 yards per game Walter averaged last year when AJ was out for 7 weeks? Even though Andre Davis was slotted as the Z receiver and filling in for AJ.

Spread that out over a 16 game season and it equates to about 1200 yards.

bah007
02-21-2009, 06:37 PM
A No. 2 also needs to make plays when the No. 1 is taken away (see Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl)

You usually have a good take on things but I really don't see where you're going with this one.

Walter is easily in the top half of #2 WR's in the league. He gets open, he gets first downs, and he blocks like a TE.

What more could you want?

TheRealJoker
02-21-2009, 06:39 PM
Interesting to note that the only "evidence" Apple seems to have is the Raiders game where the team as a whole played like crap OD went over 100 yards.

I think everyone can agree there is much more "evidence" for drafting almost any other position over WR with our # 1 pick.

mexican_texan
02-21-2009, 06:39 PM
A No. 2 also needs to make plays when the No. 1 is taken away (see Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl)
Santonio Holmes never got 100 yards during the season, he made his biggest impact in the playoffs.

Here's our backups during AJ's absence in 2007.

Kevin Walter:
IND: 2 for 17
@ATL: 6 for 77
MIA: 5 for 67
@Jac:12 for 160
TEN: 6 for 97
@SD: 7 for 77
@OAK: 3 for 33


Andre Davis:
IND:4 for 70
@ATL: 5 for 117
MIA: 4 for 79
@JAC3 for 30
Ten: 4 for 88
@SD: 1 for 6
@OAK: 2 for 51

Jackie Chiles
02-21-2009, 07:34 PM
I hope Clay Matthews blows up at the Combine, because I could see us reaching for him at 15. He's nasty, like his teammate Maualuga, and unlike Cushing.

I just don't want to FEEL like we reached. I want him to earn the slot.

I dunno. This first round pick is a mystery to me.

I'll take a shot on a first round scenario:Orakpo, Brown and Maybin all get picked before we get on the clock. One or two teams get a little hot and heavy for Josh Freeman and we trade down much like last year for a 3. Our first rounder is either Paul Kruger or Larry English, who just weighed in at 274.

dalemurphy
02-21-2009, 08:00 PM
What about this tackle from Nebrasks- Murtha? He ran a 4.84 40 yard dash and played both tackle positions for them. I've heard very little talk about thim but I liked what I saw and think maybe he's a possibility for us in the midrounds- converting to Guard.

DiehardChris
02-21-2009, 08:04 PM
I'll take a shot on a first round scenario:Orakpo, Brown and Maybin all get picked before we get on the clock. One or two teams get a little hot and heavy for Josh Freeman and we trade down much like last year for a 3. Our first rounder is either Paul Kruger or Larry English, who just weighed in at 274.

I don't want any part of Maybin. Obviously - trading down is the best case for everyone... but unless a QB or elite LT slides, I don't see anyone trading up to 15.

I think we all need to prepare ourselves for the likelihood of not being able to trade down.

But if we did - Kruger's my guy, although English at 274 is intriguing. I assume that extra weight is muscle and he didn't show up out of shape?

Jackie Chiles
02-21-2009, 08:23 PM
I don't want any part of Maybin. Obviously - trading down is the best case for everyone... but unless a QB or elite LT slides, I don't see anyone trading up to 15.

I think we all need to prepare ourselves for the likelihood of not being able to trade down.

But if we did - Kruger's my guy, although English at 274 is intriguing. I assume that extra weight is muscle and he didn't show up out of shape?

Couldn't tell you how English looked I just know the weight. Maybin also packed on the lbs and is about 250 now. If he does get drafted to play DE I think he could easily put on another 10-15. Kruger was 265 and he is a couple years older. I really think English might be a good darkhorse candidate, 274 is legit DE weight. I'm very curious to see how he works out.

I agree with you about the difficulty of projecting a trade down and pulling it off but I think Rick Smith understands that he doesn't have to get a 2nd rounder to make a deal like that. Much easier for a team to give up a three to move up. Freeman and Sanchez are the only two QBs we could see at that spot so there is certainly a chance. Its still highly unlikely that Crabtree slips that far but there is some uncertainty now.

Anyone see that South Park where Cartman gets Butters to freeze him up in the mountains so he can wake him up right when Nintendo Wii comes out? I am so contemplating that, the draft cannot get here fast enough.

ArlingtonTexan
02-21-2009, 09:30 PM
You usually have a good take on things but I really don't see where you're going with this one.

Walter is easily in the top half of #2 WR's in the league. He gets open, he gets first downs, and he blocks like a TE.

What more could you want?


there is a bit of middle ground on the Texans WRs. Walter is a good, quality player that you don't need to go out of your way to upgrade and the Texans offense was largely efficient in moving the ball (scoring not so much). That said, if you were confident that a 3rd WR whether it was as "number 2" or "number 3" takes the texans offense into becoming truly dynamic then adding another WR, even a high draft pick is acceptable in my mind. The goal is to have a better team, and sometimes that means doing what you are ready well, better versus trying to fix a problem with someone who is not any better than what you already have.

In short, the texans need to win two or three more football games in 2009 to make the playoffs. If they do because they score 7 points more a game instead of allowing 7 fewer points a game is not that important to me.

ArlingtonTexan
02-21-2009, 09:51 PM
What about this tackle from Nebrasks- Murtha? He ran a 4.84 40 yard dash and played both tackle positions for them. I've heard very little talk about thim but I liked what I saw and think maybe he's a possibility for us in the midrounds- converting to Guard.

Really has not done much on the field, as has been thought of as a late rounder. Seems to have lots of injury issues. NFL.com link

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lydon-murtha?id=81853

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2009, 10:36 PM
Who is the better prospect going into their drafts , Duane Brown or William Beatty ?

painekiller
02-21-2009, 11:27 PM
What about this tackle from Nebrasks- Murtha? He ran a 4.84 40 yard dash and played both tackle positions for them. I've heard very little talk about thim but I liked what I saw and think maybe he's a possibility for us in the midrounds- converting to Guard.

He has recently been considered a 7th rounder to UDFA. Today's number make him pick worthy, but should not push him into the 4th or 5th rounds.

ArlingtonTexan
02-21-2009, 11:41 PM
Who is the better prospect going into their drafts , Duane Brown or William Beatty ?

Everything I can tell is that they are pretty close. Beatty is thought is thought to be late 1st or early 2nd. Probably a little ahead of Brown at this point of the draft process, but not significantly so. Brown was considered a so-called late riser, but from what i remember carried a pretty solid 2nd round, which was higher for some schemes (see Texans).

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/william-beatty?id=71199

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 01:51 AM
Hey that was my idea (http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402&highlight=Johnson&page=2).


I say we draft Herman (Monster) Johnson and put him at DT. Hey if anyone can tie up 2 blockers he could. 6'7" 386. What center would want that big SOB ligned up across from him? Seriously I wonder if he could do it?

Herman Johnson no way, no how fits this scheme. He absolutely with out a doubt does not have the feet to play any where along our o-line....at any position. The first thing you'd have to do to draft this guy is shoot Kubiak and Gibbs, because the only way we'd draft this guy is over their cold dead corpses.

Sorry reread your post...you're talking about a move to defense. I'm still holding out hope someone will jerk a cattle prod up Okam's kester and get him on the right path........

You know another crazy Idea would be to see if Maybin could play a little offense.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 01:56 AM
He has recently been considered a 7th rounder to UDFA. Today's number make him pick worthy, but should not push him into the 4th or 5th rounds.

This is why you look at the guys body of work and the other drills. In a straight line he is superman....when he has to move laterally or do anything with the hips, he's Lois Lane....Just say no to Murtha. What was that guy's name last year...Was at the shirner's game and I think he got drafted by Denver late...Columbo, or something like that. Very stiff moving side to side.


Now Jamon Merideth....if you can figure out the character thingy....very fluid hips. Nice speed. Nice lifts...what got him benched at South Carolina in the middle of the season ? The numbers say this guy will be a great ZBS guard at the next level.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 02:03 AM
Who is the better prospect going into their drafts , Duane Brown or William Beatty ?

Depends IMHO, what you want. I kinda of enjoy watching Duane pancaking guys in the running game. Beaty has the better feet as a pass protector.

TimeKiller
02-22-2009, 02:53 AM
Trading back into the late 1st and picking up Clay Matthews would be fine by me. Him with Ryans in the middle and Adibi/Diles across would make a formidable middle attack. Still would get a decent DE in the 2nd or 3rd as well.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 10:47 AM
Well we got the pretty boys today. Ho Hum. We'll see how many running backs are in the pile for the Texans to wait and take one with the second pick on the second day. Remember seven to ten touches per game. The only way the rookie would get more in this system is if Slaton has a disaterous injury.

I like Quinn Johnson also if everyone of the other 31 clubs turn their nose at the guy for five rounds. I like Moats and Sapp. But I know what they bring to the table. It isn't enough to catch the Colts.

mussop
02-22-2009, 10:49 AM
Herman Johnson no way, no how fits this scheme. He absolutely with out a doubt does not have the feet to play any where along our o-line....at any position. The first thing you'd have to do to draft this guy is shoot Kubiak and Gibbs, because the only way we'd draft this guy is over their cold dead corpses.

Sorry reread your post...you're talking about a move to defense. I'm still holding out hope someone will jerk a cattle prod up Okam's kester and get him on the right path........

You know another crazy Idea would be to see if Maybin could play a little offense.

:thinking: How about Jared Cook, TE Height:6'5" 246 and just ran a 4.50 forthy. I would like to see him do some DE drills. Think he coudl run the arc?

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Trading back into the late 1st and picking up Clay Matthews would be fine by me. Him with Ryans in the middle and Adibi/Diles across would make a formidable middle attack. Still would get a decent DE in the 2nd or 3rd as well.

I think Mathews has proven with his off season work he's going to make someone a fine Sam.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 10:58 AM
:thinking: How about Jared Cook, TE Height:6'5" 246 and just ran a 4.50 forthy. I would like to see him do some DE drills. Think he coudl run the arc?

Eye popping numbers. I my self would pay OD and worry about the defense this draft. If the Texans brain trust was looking for OD insurance....I wouldn't do it. But with all the smoke McClain is throwing out there who knows. Want a 4.5 TE gotta spend a two on him.

TexansSeminole
02-22-2009, 11:59 AM
:thinking: How about Jared Cook, TE Height:6'5" 246 and just ran a 4.50 forthy. I would like to see him do some DE drills. Think he coudl run the arc?

He was also the #1 TE to perform in the vertical and broad jump at 41" and 10'3".

b0ng
02-22-2009, 01:11 PM
Some WR numbers:

Deon Butler: 4.26
Knox: 4.25
DHB: 4.32
Harvin: 4.38
McKinely: 4.33
Underwood: 4.33
L Murphy: 4.36

That's pretty freaking insane. I hope that elevates some WR's into the top 14.

Robiskie is having a good combine as well as Britt and Nicks.

EDIT:

Official times:
Heyward-Bey, Darrius 4.30
Wallace, Mike 4.33
Knox, Johnny 4.34
Butler, Deon 4.38
Thomas, Mike 4.40
Underwood, Tiquan 4.41
Harvin, Percy 4.41
Byrd, Demetrius 4.42
Murphy, Louis 4.43
McKinley, Kenny 4.44

That's a pretty fast group of receivers.

threetoedpete
02-22-2009, 01:37 PM
Some WR numbers:

Deon Butler: 4.26
Knox: 4.25
DHB: 4.32
Harvin: 4.38
McKinely: 4.33
Underwood: 4.33
L Murphy: 4.36

That's pretty freaking insane. I hope that elevates some WR's into the top 14.

Robiskie is having a good combine as well as Britt and Nicks.

Eye popping numbers. We better had get the defense straighted out pdq. Or we're going to get run out of the park next year. I think the NFL is going to get a lot faster with this class of TE and WRs. There's a herd of them coming in. When you got a guy like Pat White and his 4.5 looks pedestrian, that's some speed on the board. Agreed on Robiskie.... Him or Nicks would be a pretty good new toy for Manning. Nice draft class for the Titans & Jags. If you're looking for Wide outs, there's a pile of them on the board.

The guys getting killed by this class are the veterans who are free agents and bubble guys. If I were Jacoby Jones....I'd buy fifty footballs and find four or five punters. Hire them to kick me the ball a couple of hours a day until I got it. Gotta think Kubes will be tempted by some of this speed floating around.

Stephen Mcgee threw the ball very well. I still like Holbrook, sundial time and all. He is a pretty fair free agent- PS guy. He has a nice ball.

bah007
02-22-2009, 01:49 PM
...Stephen Mcgee threw the ball very well. I still like Holbrook, sundial time and all. He is a pretty fair free agent- PS guy. He has a nice ball.

Holbrook might not get drafted but he looks like one of those guys that will get signed as a free agent and stick around for a while.

When you can throw like him, there is a place for you in the NFL, even if it's on the 3rd string.

WolverineFan
02-22-2009, 03:15 PM
Stephen Mcgee threw the ball very well.

Looks like he also ran the fastest 40-yd dash out of the QB's (4.66). Not that it has anything to do with how well he plays the position, but we all know how these draft types hold the 40 in such high regard.

b0ng
02-22-2009, 03:24 PM
Looks like he also ran the fastest 40-yd dash out of the QB's (4.66). Not that it has anything to do with how well he plays the position, but we all know how these draft types hold the 40 in such high regard.

Pat White ran a 4.5. While a lot of people aren't looking at him as a QB, he has done very well for himself in passing drills.

DiehardChris
02-22-2009, 03:24 PM
Has Gartrell Johnson ran the 40 yet? I know it's gonna be slow, I just want to know how slow.

Lucky
02-22-2009, 03:25 PM
has gartrell johnson ran the 40 yet?
4.71

DiehardChris
02-22-2009, 03:26 PM
4.71

Ah, thanks Lucky!

b0ng
02-22-2009, 03:27 PM
Rashad Jennings ran a 4.49. A lot of 'niks are putting him in the 2nd round now.

WolverineFan
02-22-2009, 03:28 PM
Rashad Jennings ran a 4.49. A lot of 'niks are putting him in the 2nd round now.

Big boy can run! I like it.

DiehardChris
02-22-2009, 03:33 PM
Rashad Jennings ran a 4.49. A lot of 'niks are putting him in the 2nd round now.

Yeah, I saw that. That totally wrecks my second seven-round Texans mock.

Son of a...

Xcellerator
02-22-2009, 05:43 PM
Andre Brown at 4.49 should be good. (:

Jackie Chiles
02-22-2009, 05:55 PM
Rashad Jennings ran a 4.49. A lot of 'niks are putting him in the 2nd round now.

He also ran in the low 4.6s and they let/asked him to run a third time. 4.62 I believe was his last one so yeah he ran a sub 4.5 but I don't know which times scouts would put more emphasis on. NFL Network guys were saying they should throw out the fast time fwiw.

bah007
02-22-2009, 06:05 PM
He also ran in the low 4.6s and they let/asked him to run a third time. 4.62 I believe was his last one so yeah he ran a sub 4.5 but I don't know which times scouts would put more emphasis on. NFL Network guys were saying they should throw out the fast time fwiw.

I believe if you run twice they average your times together.

And if you run three they throw out the top and bottom.

Jackie Chiles
02-22-2009, 06:37 PM
I believe if you run twice they average your times together.

And if you run three they throw out the top and bottom.

That makes sense. In this case the two slow times were pretty much identical so there wasn't really any middle ground. I'm sure they still keep it in mind that he ran a sub 4.5 though, would be silly to completely sweep that under the rug. I know a lot of baseball scouts that will see a 93 mph fastball mixed in with a bunch of upper 80's and say if he did it once he can do it again.

dalemurphy
02-22-2009, 07:51 PM
I think Brian Robiskie looked like the class of the WR group. If I needed a starting WR on my team and couldn't get Crabtree, I'd take that guy in a second- even ahead of Maclin. Other than injury issues, I see no way that guy isn't an immediately productive NFL receiver... and, anyone that can run a 4.50 and run such good routes will have no trouble getting open in the NFL.

Honoring Earl 34
02-22-2009, 07:52 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/combineblog.html

b0ng
02-23-2009, 11:35 AM
Read that Maybin ran a 4.71 and Orakpo ran a 4.63.

Hmmmmmmmmm

bah007
02-23-2009, 11:39 AM
I've been trying to warn y'all for weeks now that Orakpo is gonna bring the house down with his workout.

I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show.

stingray
02-23-2009, 11:45 AM
Michael Johnson ran a 4.67

Polo
02-23-2009, 11:48 AM
Where do you guys think Ian Johnson will go...

I'm hoping the Texans pick him up....

He seems to have performed well in all of the drills...

Mr teX
02-23-2009, 11:48 AM
Read that Maybin ran a 4.71 and Orakpo ran a 4.63.

Hmmmmmmmmm

maybin weighed in at 249 lbs & ran slower than both of the top guys. that's not gonna get it at DE...He's officially off my radar for the 1st round..

HOU-TEX
02-23-2009, 12:08 PM
Where do you guys think Ian Johnson will go...

I'm hoping the Texans pick him up....

He seems to have performed well in all of the drills...

IMO, he'll be lucky to get drafted. I just don't think he's a very good RB at all. Heck, I think he was even demoted this past season.

I'm hoping the Texans do not pick him up.

Errant Hothy
02-23-2009, 12:12 PM
40 times of DEs and DTs is even more overrated then 40 times for RBs.

Ever seen a DE have to run 40 yards to make a sack?

The ten yard split is the number I'd be most interested in, well that and the agility drill times.

LORK 88
02-23-2009, 12:17 PM
Connor Barwin is making himself some serious money at the combine. 6'4" 256 lbs, 4.56 40, and a 40.5" vertical. He just launched himself up there with the top 3-4 OLBs.

HOU-TEX
02-23-2009, 12:17 PM
40 times of DEs and DTs is even more overrated then 40 times for RBs.

Ever seen a DE have to run 40 yards to make a sack?

The ten yard split is the number I'd be most interested in, well that and the agility drill times.

I think there are 3 times given in the 40. If you notice there are 2 beeps towards the first half of the 40 and one at the finish. I think they are pulling times at the beginning of the 40 as well.

I could be wrong, but why else would they have the other 2 sensors in place? :thinking:

Errant Hothy
02-23-2009, 12:24 PM
I think there are 3 times given in the 40. If you notice there are 2 beeps towards the first half of the 40 and one at the finish. I think they are pulling times at the beginning of the 40 as well.

I could be wrong, but why else would they have the other 2 sensors in place? :thinking:

They are measuring the splits, but the only number released (to us) will be the 40.

Errant Hothy
02-23-2009, 12:25 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/combineblog.html

According to the above, Cushing just put 225 up 30 times.

Polo
02-23-2009, 12:26 PM
They have the numbers on nfl.com

LORK 88
02-23-2009, 12:32 PM
According to the above, Cushing just put 225 up 30 times.
With how much he cares about his body, working out, and dieting, it would of been disappointing to see a lesser number.

WolverineFan
02-23-2009, 12:47 PM
I think there are 3 times given in the 40. If you notice there are 2 beeps towards the first half of the 40 and one at the finish. I think they are pulling times at the beginning of the 40 as well.

I could be wrong, but why else would they have the other 2 sensors in place? :thinking:

The 2 sensors set up during the 40-yd dash are to measure the 10-yd dash and 20-yd dash. It's to time the explosiveness (10-yd) and acceleration (20-yd) of the runners. That way they only have to run 1 drill instead of 3.

threetoedpete
02-23-2009, 03:02 PM
Where do you guys think Ian Johnson will go...

I'm hoping the Texans pick him up....

He seems to have performed well in all of the drills...

It looks like he's healthy again. He had a fine combine.

So y'all,.... do you think there's enough good backs in the pile that we can wait until the second pick on the second day to scratch that itch ? Through Steve a kiss and tell him he's our guy ?

bah007
02-23-2009, 03:04 PM
It looks like he's healthy again. He had a fine combine.

So y'all do you think there's enough good backs in the pile that we can wait until the second pick on the second day to scratch that itch ? Through Steve a kiss and tell him he's our guy ?

I like Andre Brown a lot but I think that after his combine somebody is gonna get a happy trigger finger and snap him up in the late second.

I would like him in the third if he is there.

TimeKiller
02-23-2009, 03:13 PM
According to the above, Cushing just put 225 up 30 times.

That's unreal!

bah007
02-23-2009, 03:13 PM
That's unreal!

He wasn't the only LB to hit that many.

TimeKiller
02-23-2009, 03:22 PM
Doesn't make it one bit less impressive though!

Errant Hothy
02-23-2009, 03:25 PM
According to the above, Cushing just put 225 up 30 times.

Follwed that up by running a 4.64 unoffically.

Matthews ran a 4.59, also unoffical.

Offically, Cushing ran a 4.74, and Matthews a 4.67.

Who the hell is Connor Barwin?

Ran a 4.64 40, a 40.5 inch vertical, 10' 8" broad jump, 6.87 3-cone, and a 4.18 20 yard shuttle.

Top performer in all of those drilss except the 40, where he was 2nd fastest.

Workout warrior or legit? He's 6' 4" and 256 lbs.

He appatently moved to DE as a senior after 3 years as a TE.

bah007
02-23-2009, 03:38 PM
Follwed that up by running a 4.64 unoffically.

Matthews ran a 4.59, also unoffical.

Offically, Cushing ran a 4.74, and Matthews a 4.67.

Who the hell is Connor Barwin?

Ran a 4.64 40, a 40.5 inch vertical, 10' 8" broad jump, 6.87 3-cone, and a 4.18 20 yard shuttle.

Top performer in all of those drilss except the 40, where he was 2nd fastest.

Workout warrior or legit? He's 6' 4" and 256 lbs.

He appatently moved to DE as a senior after 3 years as a TE.

DE from Cincinnati. He was looking like a third round prospect. Probably not anymore.

threetoedpete
02-23-2009, 03:53 PM
DE from Cincinnati. He was looking like a third round prospect. Probably not anymore.

He was a TE starting out....they asked him to switch to DE. He dominated his conference at the position with virtually no technique. They were talking today that he's best position will be line backer on the next level. What you know for a fact about the guy is he's a team player....he doesn't care where he's at he just wants to play and contribute. And fits exactly what Urlacker was when he came out of New Mexico. With no training he dominated. Not a huge jump to believe that with pro coaching he could be great. Like pro bowl great. I look at him as a huge lump of clay waiting to molded into a great player in the NFL.

TexansSeminole
02-23-2009, 04:02 PM
Why do they only show top performers? What if I want to see the other people who did the bench press?

4Texans
02-23-2009, 04:09 PM
Why do they only show top performers? What if I want to see the other people who did the bench press?

Not sure... I was curious to see how Tech's Graham Harrel did with the QB's, but he doesn't show up on anything other than being invited to the combine. And some people had such high hopes for the kid.....

TexansSeminole
02-23-2009, 04:12 PM
Not sure... I was curious to see how Tech's Graham Harrel did with the QB's, but he doesn't show up on anything other than being invited to the combine. And some people had such high hopes for the kid.....

If they don't have a section for just workout numbers, and not "top performers" than they are doing a terrible job covering this thing.

I don't care to hear Warren Sapp talk about what he did at the combine and such. I want to see numbers.

That's what the combine is about, numbers. Not let's see if we can find our next analyst, or see how good the ones we already have are. Mayock and Davis are cool because they cover college football and are known for being good at identifying players, but Sapp and Faulk? Give me a break with the analysts.

4Texans
02-23-2009, 04:21 PM
Maybe after the combines over, they'll post numbers for all the players..... Have to wait and see, or maybe someone has a link to another site. Just seems like NFL.com would have them somewhere. It's their event.

TexansSeminole
02-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Maybe after the combines over, they'll post numbers for all the players..... Have to wait and see, or maybe someonw has a link to another site. Just seems like NFL.com would have them somewhere. It's their event.

Exactly and if they do have it where are they hiding it? It shouldn't take me 30 minutes to look for it and still not find it.

Sal Rosenberg
02-23-2009, 04:35 PM
anyone see michael johnson run?

The Pencil Neck
02-23-2009, 05:19 PM
anyone see michael johnson run?

Yeah... he ran well.

And then Mayock basically fried him. Said he'd have all the measurables but when you look at the tape, it's not so good. He's a guy that tests well but doesn't play well. He was pretty brutal about it.

Goatcheese
02-23-2009, 05:20 PM
Who the hell is Connor Barwin?

Ran a 4.64 40, a 40.5 inch vertical, 10' 8" broad jump, 6.87 3-cone, and a 4.18 20 yard shuttle.

Top performer in all of those drilss except the 40, where he was 2nd fastest.

Workout warrior or legit? He's 6' 4" and 256 lbs.

He appatently moved to DE as a senior after 3 years as a TE.

Barwin is a guy I've had my eye on as our second rounder if we don't go DE in FA, or the 1st.

49 tackles, 27 solo, 22 assisted, 13 TFL, 3 Assisted TFL, 10 sacks, 2 sack assists

His numbers are alittle inflated because of competition. After the combine I could see some 3-4 team reach on him in the first.

The combine usually doesn't affect my player grades alot, and I still see him as a mid 2nd rounder. He's a good, but not elite prospect. I don't think he plays up to his workout numbers.

nunusguy
02-23-2009, 05:32 PM
Yeah... he ran well.

And then Mayock basically fried him. Said he'd have all the measurables but when you look at the tape, it's not so good. He's a guy that tests well but doesn't play well. He was pretty brutal about it.

Mayock compared him to Vernon Gholston. Not nice.

threetoedpete
02-23-2009, 05:48 PM
Yeah... he ran well.

And then Mayock basically fried him. Said he'd have all the measurables but when you look at the tape, it's not so good. He's a guy that tests well but doesn't play well. He was pretty brutal about it.

Which is basically what I've been trying to say for a while now. The Texans may still do it. I dunno.

jshabang
02-23-2009, 06:31 PM
johnson showed up as advertised.....killed all the drills and ran in the 4.6 range 40


real athlete....I would not be disappointed with him thats for sure....the kid has that it factor............coached up he will do well IMHO

they said the same things about mario coming our......low motor......dominates in spurts.......yada yada yada

micheal johnson is a freak and one of the only prototypical 4-3 ends in the entire draft....hes not a hybrid like maybin, brown, orapko

6-7 260 chiseled like a greek god//////

wags
02-23-2009, 06:43 PM
johnson showed up as advertised.....killed all the drills and ran in the 4.6 range 40


Here is a link to the nfl.com page with some 40 times... http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

They have Michael Johnson listed as one of the faster d-lineman running a 4.75

jshabang
02-23-2009, 07:13 PM
Here is a link to the nfl.com page with some 40 times... http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

They have Michael Johnson listed as one of the faster d-lineman running a 4.75


yea i saw unofficial times when he first ran early this morning.....hell i will take it either way...the kid flew like the wind

eriadoc
02-23-2009, 07:30 PM
So y'all,.... do you think there's enough good backs in the pile that we can wait until the second pick on the second day to scratch that itch ? Through Steve a kiss and tell him he's our guy ?

4th round RB? I don't know - who did you have in mind? Personally, I'd love to see them take Coffee in the 3rd, but I'm not sure he makes it to 3.15. He would be a perfect complement to Slaton, IMO.

steelbtexan
02-23-2009, 07:54 PM
If possible I would like
rd.1 M. Johnson I believe he needs a good weight program & to be coached up
rd.2 C.Barwin My 1st two picks are the most gifted athelets (Defensive) in the draft.

Imagine if we signed Fat Albert in FA our front 7 would look like this

MW, Fat Albert, AO, M. Johnson

C. Barwin, DR, Adibi

That's a fast big atheletic front 7. We could use the rest of the draft to fill in the rest of the holes @ S, C, G, CB & RB with 2 4th rd picks we could get one of the great S & C that fell & draft a G. Johnson in the 5th.

rarazz00
02-23-2009, 08:32 PM
I wonder if G. Johnson would make for a good fullback...I was in awe when I saw him at the combine. Not a good 40..but those tree trunks for legs...I could see McSmithiak looking at him late if he's still there...he could be our #2FB and our #3 RB. Yes I'm saying grab 2 RB's in this draft.:texflag:

Honoring Earl 34
02-23-2009, 08:35 PM
Which is basically what I've been trying to say for a while now. The Texans may still do it. I dunno.

What would Joel Buschbaum say about him ... anyone ?

http://images.chron.com/blogs/nfl/buschbaum.JPG

4Texans
02-23-2009, 08:42 PM
What would Joel Buschbaum say about him ... anyone ?

http://images.chron.com/blogs/nfl/buschbaum.JPG

Too bad ol' Joel is not around any more. He'd have an answer for sure. :tiphat:

rarazz00
02-23-2009, 08:45 PM
John Gruden was ALL about Michael Johnson today on NFL Network...He's a 4-3 guy and not a hybrid/tweener...MJ will go in the 1st round. Look for the 4-3 teams to target this guy.:brando:

Honoring Earl 34
02-23-2009, 08:56 PM
Too bad ol' Joel is not around any more. He'd have an answer for sure. :tiphat:

Joel would say ... in a New York accent ... looks like Tarzan , plays like Jane .

mussop
02-23-2009, 09:04 PM
Joel would say ... in a New York accent ... looks like Tarzan , plays like Jane .

yep!

TexansSeminole
02-23-2009, 09:32 PM
Everyone knew MJ would show up for the Combine as one of the most impressive athletes. He has always been the most athletic.

I take it with a grain of salt. All the questions I have had about the guy couldn't possibly be answered by observing the Combine. I'm sure coaches put an extra emphasis on the interviewing process when evaluating MJ, I know I would.

I still like Everette Brown at #15 over Maybin and Johnson, if we are talking about taking a DE.

wags
02-23-2009, 09:41 PM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edca0f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Haven't seen this on here yet... an article on Cushing

"I donít understand where it is coming from," Cushing told me. "I was tested last December at USC and passed, one of several tests I have passed.

An NFL general manager, requesting anonymity, said: "Weíve been warned it is an issue and might have been one since high school. We are considering that. As unpleasant as it is, this is an issue with this player that only a negative test here is going to clear up right now. Itís unfortunate, because no one wants to kill the kid, but the issue is a reality."

Spled
02-24-2009, 01:05 AM
You can't teach 6'7''.

Goatcheese
02-24-2009, 01:38 AM
I was kind of surprised by Michael Johnson's performance at the combine. He ran slower than I expect (slow surface? Official times are almost all lower than expected), but he did throw up 28 bench reps. You don't do that without a good work ethic, and dedication to training. With his height, and arm length I'd say his 28 was more impressive than Rak's 31. His 4.37 shuttle is the same as Mario ran, all be it 30 lbs lighter.

I wonder if some of the problems he had were a result of coaching asking him to play a certain way. Read & react, wait & see, type of defense. That was something we ran into during the Mario scouting process. He was being asked to play the run first, instead of being agressive, and it kept him from really shining.

It's looking more, and more like MJ could be the best value available at 15.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 10:55 AM
Profootballtalk is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.52 and a 4.58 at the combine this morning.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/jenkins-could-be-sliding/

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2009, 11:12 AM
Profootballtalk is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.52 and a 4.58 at the combine this morning.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/jenkins-could-be-sliding/

I have a hard time seeing him fall too far. I'd love it for him to fall to #15 though. Could probably start at one of the CB spots. Then if we lose Dunta, we're still set with 3-4 good CBs. Jenkins also has a possibility of playing Safety- thoughts? I'd be all over this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0mYw3uoIE8

Goatcheese
02-24-2009, 11:22 AM
Profootballtalk is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.52 and a 4.58 at the combine this morning.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/jenkins-could-be-sliding/

I can't wait to see the flood of NFL 'experts' start saying he's probably going to be forced to play FS at the pro level, all over .07 seconds. The irony is, that the people who freak out over this are probably the same ones who were calling him "The prototype corner" a week ago.

I guess some people just lose their minds over 40 times.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 11:24 AM
http://www.gbnreport.com/combineblog.html

Reporting that Vontae Davis ran in the upper 4.4s.

Chung and Delmas ran in the upper 4.5s. Clemons ran under 4.5.

Me thinks the track at Lucas is a bit slower then the old RCA Dome.

TexansSeminole
02-24-2009, 11:28 AM
I can't wait to see the flood of NFL 'experts' start saying he's probably going to be forced to play FS at the pro level, all over .07 seconds. The irony is, that the people who freak out over this are probably the same ones who were calling him "The prototype corner" a week ago.

I guess some people just lose their minds over 40 times.

From what I understand, alot of teams were looking at him at FS prior to his arrival to the Combine.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 11:35 AM
From what I understand, alot of teams were looking at him at FS prior to his arrival to the Combine.

Maybe, GBN is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.6+.

beerlover
02-24-2009, 11:38 AM
Maybe, GBN is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.6+.

everything is falling into place for the Texans :heh:

nero THE zero
02-24-2009, 12:32 PM
LZ has said that scouts that have been watching tape on Jenkins and have begun to target him as a FS convert. The slow(er than expected) 40 will only reinforce this.

That is good news for us as it will have him fall some - maybe even to us.

bah007
02-24-2009, 12:35 PM
If speed was all that mattered for CB's then Phillip Buchanan wouldn't get burned deep every other play.

It's all about technique and instinct. Jenkins has both.

TexansFan33
02-24-2009, 12:53 PM
Jenkins would make a nice Free Saftey I'm watchin NFL Network now and he ran a 4.55 40 that a good time for a saftey Mike Mayock said he has the size to become one...

gtexan02
02-24-2009, 01:00 PM
If speed was all that mattered for CB's then Phillip Buchanan wouldn't get burned deep every other play.

It's all about technique and instinct. Jenkins has both.

Speed isn't the be all end all, but when you have a 4.3 receiver up against a 4.6 defender on a go route you end up with Petey Faggins vs. Lee Evans all over again

bah007
02-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Speed isn't the be all end all, but when you have a 4.3 receiver up against a 4.6 defender on a go route you end up with Petey Faggins vs. Lee Evans all over again

That's not always true.

A good CB can read the route and get his hips turned quickly so he has a lead on the WR. Faggins could run a 4.2 and he would still get beat deep.

In high school, my brother was a 5-6 CB who ran the 40 in 4.65 but he covered Dez Bryant a whole game without giving up a completion. They must have thrown deep on him at least six times.

How come Dez couldn't get by him with that 4.4 speed?

CB is an instinct position. If you have instinct and technique then speed is less important. You can still get beat deep if you misread a route, but that happens to you when you are fast anyway.

Polo
02-24-2009, 01:09 PM
That's not always true.

A good CB can read the route and get his hips turned quickly so he has a lead on the WR. Faggins could run a 4.2 and he would still get beat deep.

In high school, my brother was a 5-6 CB who ran the 40 in 4.65 but he covered Dez Bryant a whole game without giving up a completion. They must have thrown deep on him at least six times.

How come Dez couldn't get by him with that 4.4 speed?

CB is an instinct position. If you have instinct and technique then speed is less important. You can still get beat deep if you misread a route, but that happens to you when you are fast anyway.

I agree with you somewhat...The lack of speed can be made up for with good instincts and quickness, but if you are noticeably slower than your defender then sometimes you are just gonna get beat no matter how good the instincts.

A slow corner is going to have a really tough go of it trying to handle a blazing fast WR one on one on a 9....Especially if he's up to press and doesn't get a good jam...

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 01:10 PM
That's not always true.

A good CB can read the route and get his hips turned quickly so he has a lead on the WR. Faggins could run a 4.2 and he would still get beat deep.

In high school, my brother was a 5-6 CB who ran the 40 in 4.65 but he covered Dez Bryant a whole game without giving up a completion. They must have thrown deep on him at least six times.

How come Dez couldn't get by him with that 4.4 speed?

CB is an instinct position. If you have instinct and technique then speed is less important. You can still get beat deep if you misread a route, but that happens to you when you are fast anyway.

Problem is that reports are coming out of Indy that Jenkins might not have the technique either.

http://www.gbnreport.com/combineblog.html

12:50 PM): Very indecisive, sloppy footwork by Jenkins in change-of-direction drill.

rarazz00
02-24-2009, 01:47 PM
Reporting that Vontae Davis ran in the upper 4.4s.

Chung and Delmas ran in the upper 4.5s. Clemons ran under 4.5.

Me thinks the track at Lucas is a bit slower then the old RCA Dome.

The track wasn't slow for the WR's:brando:

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2009, 02:02 PM
A CB needs more quickness than straightline speed. Shoot, that can actually be said for most all positions.

Scouts also told LZ that Antoine Cason wasn't a 1st round pick, that he was a mid 2nd AT BEST. Well he got drafted #27 overall, that'd be the 1st round. On top of that he followed it up with a great rookie season. 1st in total tackles and T-3rd with 2 interceptions, returned one for a TD, 1 forced fumble, 7 pass deflections.

Sometimes the Thorpe Award winner can actually be a good DB. See the last three years: Aaron Ross, Antoine Cason and.... Malcolm Jenkins.

I think Jenkins tackles fine for a CB but he's going to have to work on it if someone wants to switch him to FS. The guy isn't a one year wonder, he's a proven senior CB that has lots of experience. I think he'd fit pretty well on our team with Reeves, Jenkins, Dunta, Bennett and Molden.

Goldensilence
02-24-2009, 02:11 PM
everything is falling into place for the Texans :heh:

Pretty much sums it up for me too. Johnson had an impressive workout and if the FA can get a pulse on where hishead is at he could be a good pick @15.

Two past Cbs stand out as reminders of how Jenkins is getting burned ATM Leon hall and Cason. Both stayed for their senoir years and were drilled into the ground on despite good combines. I have a feeling Malcolm will show better at his Pro day if not be a great pick @15.

gtexan02
02-24-2009, 02:32 PM
Can anyone fill me in on the scouting profile for Cavaliers Kevin Ogletree (WR) and Cedric Pearman (RB)? I watched both of them here at UVa, and they both carried our offense. Just curious if they are likely to get drafted, and if so, where.

Pearman may be someone we could look at because he comes from a pro style offense and can return kicks as well

bah007
02-24-2009, 02:51 PM
I agree with you somewhat...The lack of speed can be made up for with good instincts and quickness, but if you are noticeably slower than your defender then sometimes you are just gonna get beat no matter how good the instincts.

A slow corner is going to have a really tough go of it trying to handle a blazing fast WR one on one on a 9....Especially if he's up to press and doesn't get a good jam...

A slow corner has just as much chance as a fast corner if he has better technique and instincts.

And it would be a coaching mistake to make a slow CB jam a guy unless it is in goal line situations. That wouldn't be the corner's fault if his coach is putting him in a position where he is more susceptible to failure.

Everybody has different strengths and weaknesses. Speed can cover up a weakness in technique, but it happens vice versa as well.

bah007
02-24-2009, 02:54 PM
Problem is that reports are coming out of Indy that Jenkins might not have the technique either.

http://www.gbnreport.com/combineblog.html

Well I don't have the luxury of seeing the drills, but I have seen plenty of his games.

I have thought for a long time that he was a very interesting prospect so when OSU is on TV and they are on defense, I study him. I don't watch the ball. I watch him.

I think he checks out. I've seen him play numerous times and his instincts are top notch and as far as I could tell, so was his technique.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 02:59 PM
Well I don't have the luxury of seeing the drills, but I have seen plenty of his games.

I have thought for a long time that he was a very interesting prospect so when OSU is on TV and they are on defense, I study him. I don't watch the ball. I watch him.

I think he checks out. I've seen him play numerous times and his instincts are top notch and as far as I could tell, so was his technique.

I'm not convinced he's every been really tested at OSU, simply because he plays maybe 1 or 2 good passing teams a year; and Ohio St tends to lose those games.

I'm suspect of all Big Ten CBs, for the same reasons. Who throws the ball all that well in that conference?

bah007
02-24-2009, 03:07 PM
I'm not convinced he's every been really tested at OSU, simply because he plays maybe 1 or 2 good passing teams a year; and Ohio St tends to lose those games.

I'm suspect of all Big Ten CBs, for the same reasons. Who throws the ball all that well in that conference?

Michigan has always thrown it well up until this year. Remember Chad Henne & Braylon Edwards?

Purdue airs it out all day long. It's their defense that can't keep them in games.

Minnesota has started throwing the ball a bunch.

Hell, when they played us (Texas) we beat Donald Washington's ass all day. I don't think we threw on Jenkins once because there was no reason to.

He would line up on Shipley and we would throw to Cosby. Then he would move to Cosby and we would hit Shipley.

The one game where I think there is legitimate concern is against USC this year I think Damien Williams beat him deep once for a TD.

mussop
02-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Teams will rely on film and the interviews more than the drills at the combine to make their decisions. So unless a player interviews badly the combine isnt going to drop anyone more than a few spots.

Goatcheese
02-24-2009, 05:05 PM
Deion Sanders breaking down Alphonso Smith at the combine/Senior Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ee9be7

TexansSeminole
02-24-2009, 07:13 PM
Deion Sanders breaking down Alphonso Smith at the combine/Senior Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ee9be7

I think Smith has the best feel for playing cornerback by far of any player in this draft. He just lacks size and elite speed. He showed great and I mean great anticipation in every single game that I watched of him. I probably watched 4 WF games per year the last 2 years, which is another reason why I have had Aaron Curry at the top of my board since mid season (excluding Sam Bradford).

TexansSeminole
02-24-2009, 07:29 PM
Can anyone fill me in on the scouting profile for Cavaliers Kevin Ogletree (WR) and Cedric Pearman (RB)? I watched both of them here at UVa, and they both carried our offense. Just curious if they are likely to get drafted, and if so, where.

Pearman may be someone we could look at because he comes from a pro style offense and can return kicks as well

I don't know much about Ogletreee but Pearman from my point of view was always a good runner. The only thing that makes me double take on him is that he ran behind stellar offensive lines in his time at Virginia.

threetoedpete
02-25-2009, 12:00 AM
The track wasn't slow for the WR's:brando:

If it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This is a very lean class of corners. Taking the best of the bunch is nothing to get to excited about. Which means....Just like with Ahmad Carrol a few dratfs ago, some will reach for marginal. Hope it isn't the Texans.

Another thing I though. Just like the Wrs and DE's, I'm wondering if this isn't a function of college coaches tring to feed the spread offences with tallent ?

The best athletes go to the offensive side of the ball.

TexansSeminole
02-25-2009, 12:32 AM
If it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This is a very lean class of corners. Taking the best of the bunch is nothing to get to excited about. Which means....Just like with Ahmad Carrol a few dratfs ago, some will reach for marginal. Hope it isn't the Texans.

Another thing I though. Just like the Wrs and DE's, I'm wondering if this isn't a function of college coaches tring to feed the spread offences with tallent ?

The best athletes go to the offensive side of the ball.

I think this class is not lean, but lacking in great prospects. There are good prospects just not really any great ones.

I've seen Jenkins play many times and I can't help but be only mildly impressed. While I think he is a good player and certainly a first round talent, he is not the kind of guy I expect to be the #1 corner.

Vontae Davis has alot of potential and he has proven to be capable of making plays but what are you really getting with him? He is more about potential than making an immediate impact.

Alphonso Smith I really like though. I think he is the class of this draft at corner, but you will see him drop just a bit because of size and not elite speed. He has good speed, it is just not great. His ball skills and anticipation in the pass game is second to none in this draft. He is what you would call a ballhawk.

D.J. Moore is interesting but not a first rounder IMO.

After that you have some decent 3-5 round prospects.

threetoedpete
02-25-2009, 12:44 AM
Well we got 32 teams....coveting four guys by your count...I'm sure there are more. The point being when there is limited supply there will be craziness. And reaching for 4.5 corners ....is a little bit crazy to me. I don't care what kind of technique they have.

mussop
02-25-2009, 12:52 AM
I think this class is not lean, but lacking in great prospects. There are good prospects just not really any great ones.

I've seen Jenkins play many times and I can't help but be only mildly impressed. While I think he is a good player and certainly a first round talent, he is not the kind of guy I expect to be the #1 corner.

Vontae Davis has alot of potential and he has proven to be capable of making plays but what are you really getting with him? He is more about potential than making an immediate impact.

Alphonso Smith I really like though. I think he is the class of this draft at corner, but you will see him drop just a bit because of size and not elite speed. He has good speed, it is just not great. His ball skills and anticipation in the pass game is second to none in this draft. He is what you would call a ballhawk.

D.J. Moore is interesting but not a first rounder IMO.

After that you have some decent 3-5 round prospects.


You guys need to pay more attention to Darius Butler. If he last till our second pick I would jump all over him. Same goes for Macho Harris.

TexansSeminole
02-25-2009, 12:53 AM
Well we got 32 teams....coveting four guys by your count...I'm sure there are more. The point being when there is limited supply there will be craziness. And reaching for 4.5 corners ....is a little bit crazy to me. I don't care what kind of technique they have.

The 1-2 round guys are limited, but after that you have some decent players.

You guys need to pay more attention to Darius Butler. If he last till our second pick I would jump all over him. Same goes for Macho Harris.

I like Victor Harris in the 3rd round alot.

threetoedpete
02-25-2009, 01:02 AM
Well I haven't looked it up other than to take notice as to has been dumped because of cap. I'm assuming the need is greater than supply here. What I saw today is there is a boat load of safety prospects and ony a hand full of guys who I think will be locked and loaded by September to paly corner back against the Steve Smith's, Andre Johnon's and Randy Moss' of the NFL world.
If you need one they will pull the trigger early. And prey to the football Gauds they haven't just latched onto another Amahd Carrol.

Goatcheese
02-25-2009, 01:30 AM
I think this class is not lean, but lacking in great prospects. There are good prospects just not really any great ones.

I've seen Jenkins play many times and I can't help but be only mildly impressed. While I think he is a good player and certainly a first round talent, he is not the kind of guy I expect to be the #1 corner.

Vontae Davis has alot of potential and he has proven to be capable of making plays but what are you really getting with him? He is more about potential than making an immediate impact.

Alphonso Smith I really like though. I think he is the class of this draft at corner, but you will see him drop just a bit because of size and not elite speed. He has good speed, it is just not great. His ball skills and anticipation in the pass game is second to none in this draft. He is what you would call a ballhawk.

D.J. Moore is interesting but not a first rounder IMO.

After that you have some decent 3-5 round prospects.

I definately like Smith the most for the Texans. Jenkins will be a better corner in the right system, but the Texans aren't running it.

Smith also has the distinction of running the fastest of all the potential 1st round corners.

Jenkins 4.53
A.Smith 4.45
Moore 5.52
Davis 4.49
S.Smith 4.52

Mr teX
02-25-2009, 03:51 PM
I'd go nuts if this happened..

http://profootball.scout.com/2/839583.html

Honoring Earl 34
02-25-2009, 04:05 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/AskScott/archive/2-25-2009.php

Polo
02-25-2009, 04:14 PM
I'd go nuts if this happened..

http://profootball.scout.com/2/839583.html

That would be nice...

I'm starting to think that regardless one of the top defensive prospect will be there when we pick though...

LonerATO
02-25-2009, 04:18 PM
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything on James Casey

bah007
02-25-2009, 04:35 PM
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything on James Casey

What about him?

I have him as my #5 TE.

LonerATO
02-25-2009, 04:56 PM
I was wondering if they showed anything about him at the combine and how he looked if anyone saw him. I didn't get to see anything the last five days as I was in the hospital having surgery. I think he could make a great back up for OD.

bah007
02-25-2009, 05:05 PM
I was wondering if they showed anything about him at the combine and how he looked if anyone saw him. I didn't get to see anything the last five days as I was in the hospital having surgery. I think he could make a great back up for OD.

I like Casey. He has skills, but his age will drop him a little bit.

I didn't get to see the combine drills so many someone can answer that question for both of us.

DiehardChris
02-25-2009, 05:11 PM
I like Casey. He has skills, but his age will drop him a little bit.

I didn't get to see the combine drills so many someone can answer that question for both of us.

I've heard him talked up to the second round, and I also read that he was said to be the best pure athlete at the draft. Crazy, huh?

bah007
02-25-2009, 05:16 PM
I've heard him talked up to the second round, and I also read that he was said to be the best pure athlete at the draft. Crazy, huh?

He is a great prospect and if he wasn't 24 years old (25 by the time the regular season starts) then he would be a 1st rounder.

Found this little tidbit on him:

Electing to turn pro after only two seasons with the Owls, Casey is a rare all-around athlete who was a seventh-round pick by the Chicago White Sox out of high school and spent three years in their farm system before retiring from baseball and signing with Rice.

Once with the Owls, it didn't take long for the former quarterback to establish himself as a dominant weapon at various positions, earning consensus Conference USA Freshman accolades and honorable mention all-conference honors from league coaches. Casey lined up at seven different positions in one game in 2007, and has played everything from defensive end to safety to quarterback to wide receiver.

Playing primarily at wide receiver in 2008, Casey was dominant in Rice's spread attack; he finished second in the country with 111 receptions for 1,329 yards and 13 touchdowns. For some, Casey will be characterized as a Matt Jones-like 'tweener. But also like Jones, Casey's unique upside could land him a stunningly high draft selection come April, even if he'll be turning 25 during his rookie season. Had an arm span of 30 5/8 inches and a hand span of 9 1/2 inches at the combine.

-Bolded for emphasis by me.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/james-casey?id=71247

wags
02-25-2009, 05:17 PM
I was wondering if they showed anything about him at the combine and how he looked if anyone saw him. I didn't get to see anything the last five days as I was in the hospital having surgery. I think he could make a great back up for OD.

Casey did very well. I think some people were expecting him to run a little faster, but overall I think all the analysts believe he will be a stud. Personally I would love to have him on the Texans.

TimeKiller
02-25-2009, 05:46 PM
We do run 2 TE sets quite a bit so Casey would be dynamite for a 3rd or 4th. He'd be a luxury though....

76Texan
02-25-2009, 06:58 PM
I think Smith has the best feel for playing cornerback by far of any player in this draft. He just lacks size and elite speed. He showed great and I mean great anticipation in every single game that I watched of him. I probably watched 4 WF games per year the last 2 years, which is another reason why I have had Aaron Curry at the top of my board since mid season (excluding Sam Bradford).

I prefer DJ Moore a little more over Alphonso.

Aaron Curry, to me, lacks that certain special something, to become a great player in the NFL. (I may very well be wrong, but that is how I see it.)

LonerATO
02-26-2009, 06:55 PM
I am still high on Lawrence Sidbury and it looks as though he had a good combine

threetoedpete
02-27-2009, 08:59 AM
If it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This is a very lean class of corners. Taking the best of the bunch is nothing to get to excited about. Which means....Just like with Ahmad Carrol a few dratfs ago, some will reach for marginal. Hope it isn't the Texans.

Another thing I though. Just like the Wrs and DE's, I'm wondering if this isn't a function of college coaches tring to feed the spread offenses with talent ?

The best athletes go to the offensive side of the ball.


http://www.buffalonews.com/452/story/588382.html

Scouting college players today is difficult because of where the college game has gone,‘ said Bills offensive coordinator Turk Schonert. You can see this guy is athletic, this guy is fast, this guy has good hands. But as far as technique goes, it's not the same.

What has gotten a lot more difficult on the evaluation side is the proliferation of the spread offense,‘ said NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock. And what that means to evaluating at this level is it's not just quarterbacks. It's the running backs. Their first step is lateral, crossing the quarterbacks' faces instead of downhill. It's the tight end, who's never in line as a blocker. It's the wide receiver that doesn't run a route tree. It's every position. It's the left tackle. Jason Smith [the Baylor tackle] was in a two-point stance 98 percent of the time.

You always are making a projection from college to pros,‘ Modrak said. Those are ingredients that are going into it now that might be different.‘

...

wags
03-22-2009, 08:36 PM
NFL | Cook popular at NFL Combine
Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:23:45 -0700

Ed Thompson, of Scout.com, reports South Carolina TE Jared Cook said he had 22 formal interviews at the NFL Scouting Combine. The Arizona Cardinals, the Baltimore Ravens, the Detroit Lions, the Houston Texans, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Tennessee Titans and the Seattle Seahawks were among the teams that interviewed Cook.

http://kffl.com

threetoedpete
03-24-2009, 09:12 AM
http://kffl.com

Well they certainly need one.....they have yet to sign a free agent....I like Bear Presco myself.....Cook is going to cost you draft bonus bucks. at least your fourty six.

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:25 PM
Jason Cook, FB, OleMiss.

Here are some unofficial numbers Jason Cook's workout at Ole Miss' Pro Day :

Height: 5'11 3/4"

Weight 241

Vertical: 33.5

Broad: 9' 6"

40 Yd: 4.63 & 4.71

Bench: 22 reps

20 Yard: 4.23-4.25

DD.comment: Teams that talked to him and showed significant interest are New Orleans, Jacksonville, Chicago, Kansas City, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis and Houston. Scouts said he looked fluid in drills and caught the ball very well. Several of those teams we listed said they are going to "fight like hell" to draft him... DD.com is currently projecting Jason as a 5th to 6th round pick, which isn't bad for a fullback.

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:26 PM
From NewEraScouting:

Houston Texans

Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut FI
Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State I
Nic Harris, S/LB, Oklahoma I
Clay Matthews, OLB, USC I
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia I
William Moore, FS, Missouri I
Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State I
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest I
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma I
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State I

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:31 PM
From NewEraScouting:

Houston Texans

Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut FI
Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State I
Nic Harris, S/LB, Oklahoma I
Clay Matthews, OLB, USC I
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia I
William Moore, FS, Missouri I
Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State I
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest I
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma I
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State I

Notes:

I - Spoke to prospect at All Star Game
FI - Formal interview done at Combine

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:38 PM
Rick Smith Purdue's connection???

http://hou.scout.com/2/850292.html

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:42 PM
Just as TTP and I thought, the Texans might have interests in some Cornhuskers, even though Ty Steinkhuler wasn't mentioned in this piece.

http://hou.scout.com/2/850085.html

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:55 PM
From kffl.com

NFL | H. Johnson has spoken with several teams
Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:31:44 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Thursday, Feb. 19, Louisiana State OG Herman Johnson measured in at 6-foot-7 and 364 pounds. Johnson said he has spoken with the Houston Texans, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Miami Dolphins, the New York Jets and the Buffalo Bills. Johnson, who weighed 385 pounds at the end of the college season, said his target weight is about 350 or 355 pounds.

BigBull17
03-26-2009, 07:33 PM
From kffl.com

NFL | H. Johnson has spoken with several teams
Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:31:44 -0800

During his press conference at the NFL Scouting Combine Thursday, Feb. 19, Louisiana State OG Herman Johnson measured in at 6-foot-7 and 364 pounds. Johnson said he has spoken with the Houston Texans, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Miami Dolphins, the New York Jets and the Buffalo Bills. Johnson, who weighed 385 pounds at the end of the college season, said his target weight is about 350 or 355 pounds.

How would he fit in our O?

pbat488
03-26-2009, 07:45 PM
How would he fit in our O?

Never watched tape on him analysis-wise, but I met him at a party when I visited LSU last spring, the man is an absolute giant, and his hands are like tennis rackets. Not sure how he'd fit in our system, maybe if he does get down to that target weight, but he would certainly help bulk up our interior.

TimeKiller
03-26-2009, 07:47 PM
How would he fit in our O?

Does he fit into much?

I'm at least a little intrigued about what they think of William Moore

BigBull17
03-26-2009, 07:48 PM
Never watched tape on him analysis-wise, but I met him at a party when I visited LSU last spring, the man is an absolute giant, and his hands are like tennis rackets. Not sure how he'd fit in our system, maybe if he does get down to that target weight, but he would certainly help bulk up our interior.

He could be our RT/RG. At the same time. Huge.

76Texan
03-26-2009, 07:55 PM
He could be our RT/RG. At the same time. Huge.

Hahaha!

He can play G or T.

http://www.truveo.com/Draft-hopeful-Herman-Johnson/id/2305843010429707095

rmartin65
03-26-2009, 08:12 PM
I will pass on Cook. From what I watched, he is a Leach clone.

ArlingtonTexan
03-26-2009, 08:14 PM
Stock Rising For Andre Brown
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 26, 2009, 8:06 p.m.
Speedy North Carolina State running back Andre Brown is scheduled to visit the San Diego Chargers, Tennessee Titans, San Francisco 49ers, Houston Texans, New England Patriots and the Jacksonville Jaguars.

He has also conducted a private workout with the Patriots.

The 6′0, 224-pounder registered a hand-timed 4.37 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine with an official time of 4.47.

ďIím hearing I could go in the second or third round,Ē Brown told us in a telephone interview. ďMy workouts and my performance at the Senior Bowl have really helped me a lot. Ö Iím an old-fashioned guy. I love Walter Payton, how hard he ran. Iím a big back that has speed. Iím an every-down type of back.Ē

At the combine, Brown posted a 37-inch vertical leap and bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times. He was the fourth-fastest running back at the combine.

A former Parade Magazine All-American in high school, Brown rushed for 2,403 career yards and 21 touchdowns, averaging 4.8 yards per carry. He has recovered from a broken left foot that hampered him in 2007 and 2008.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

bah007
03-26-2009, 09:12 PM
I will pass on Cook. From what I watched, he is a Leach clone.

He is. He's a really good player, but why draft what we already have?

ArlingtonTexan
03-28-2009, 10:18 AM
St. Paulís Toler Is An NFL Sleeper
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 27, 2009, 1:36 p.m.
St. Paulís (Va.) cornerback Greg Toler is making his bid to emerge as this yearís Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie, and has been drawing increased interest from NFL teams.

Toler had private workouts this week with the Cleveland Browns and the Miami Dolphins this week.

Toler told us in a telephone interview that he has upcoming visits with the Washington Redskins, Houston Texans, San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Minnesota Vikings, New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals, Cleveland Browns, Green Bay Packers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Jacksonville Jaguars.

ďIím hoping to get that chance to prove myself,Ē Toler said. ďDomonique Rodgers-Cromartie took the small-school route, and Iím looking to do the same thing. If I had gone to a bigger school, I might have gotten complacent.

ďFrom where Iím coming from, I treasure this a lot more. I donít complain about anything, and I just appreciate the opportunity. This is my dream.Ē

According to NFL.com, Toler has been projected as a mid-round to late-round draft pick. Heís hoping to go as high as the second or third round.

Listed at 5-foot-11, 191 pounds, Toler has run a hand-timed 4.35 in the 40-yard dash. He intercepted 14 career passes at St. Paulís.

Toler had academic problems coming out of high school in the Washington D.C. area. Now, heís six credits shy of earning a degree.

ďI didnít take my classes very seriously at that time,Ē Toler said. ďI was working at a JC Penney. I couldnít see myself doing that for my life, so I was blessed to go to St. Paulís. I donít have any regrets. Itís a small, isolated school where you can concentrate on academics and football.

ďThe strength of my game is that Iím a cover cornerback. Iíll come up and tackle, too. I want to be one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL one day. I grew up watching Champ Bailey and Deion Sanders, and those are my favorite cornerbacks.Ē

profootballtalk.com

wags
03-28-2009, 12:40 PM
NFL | Several teams requested interview with Vaughn
Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:24:17 -0700

Ed Thompson, of Scout.com, reports the Dallas Cowboys, the San Diego Chargers, the Houston Texans, the Cleveland Browns, the New England Patriots and the San Francisco 49ers were just a few of the teams that requested a formal interview with Wake Forest S Chip Vaughn at the NFL Scouting Combine.

http://kffl.com

Saw he was listed in an earlier post.

Vaughn is 6'1" 221lbs and is projected as a mid rounder. He is known as a hitter, not a cover guy.

ArlingtonTexan
03-28-2009, 07:08 PM
Biggers Turning Combine Snub Into Big Buzz
Posted by Mike Florio on March 28, 2009, 6:42 p.m.
Western Michigan cornerback E.J. Biggers wasnít invited to the Scouting Combine.

But he already has been invited to visit with three teams.

Per a league source, Biggers has scheduled visits with the Buccaneers, Chargers, and Texans.

And the buzz on Biggers is building after he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.35 seconds at his Pro Day Workout.

profootballtalk.com

wags
03-29-2009, 06:41 PM
Texans | Knox has private workout scheduled
Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:19:34 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Abilene Christian WR Johnny Knox has a private workout scheduled with the Houston Texans for April 4.

http://kffl.com

Knox is 6'0" 185 lbs and ran a 4.34 at the Combine. He is considered a late round draft pick.

ArlingtonTexan
03-29-2009, 11:00 PM
Former Florida State cornerback Tony Carter has visits set up with the Cowboys, Texans, Steelers and the Patriots.

per draftdaddy.com

wags
03-30-2009, 11:21 AM
NFL | Several teams could meet with S. Allen
Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:32:34 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Grand Valley State OT Samuel Allen has attracted interest from the Atlanta Falcons, Houston Texans, New Orleans Saints, Indianapolis Colts and Jacksonville Jaguars for possible visits. Allen has attracted the most interest from the Falcons, Texans and Tennessee Titans.

NFL | Coen attracting interest
Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:24:49 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Massachusetts QB Liam Coen has attracted interest from the San Francisco 49ers, Atlanta Falcons, Houston Texans and New York Giants.

http://kffl.com

Neither was invited to the combine and both players would probably be 7th round or UDFA.

El Tejano
03-30-2009, 11:38 AM
I like how we are looking for speed in the WR department. Johnny Knox would be pretty awesome.

HOU-TEX
03-30-2009, 11:40 AM
I like how we are looking for speed in the WR department. Johnny Knox would be pretty awesome.

K/P returner. If so, see ya JJ. :cowboy1:

rmartin65
03-30-2009, 03:14 PM
I enjoy reading that the Texans are looking at small school players, and I would like to give you all my thoughts on these select guys.

CB Greg Toler, St. Paul's
Nice size for a corner, at 5'11" 185-190 lbs, also with a knack for the big play (14 INT). Has great athleticism, sub 4.4 speed. I only worry about his play recognition. 6-7th round pick

WR Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian
My favorite small school receiver, Knox has lots of speed. However, he is not a one trick pony. He is an all around athlete, as shown by his 35" vertical and 6.81 3Cone. The main concern with him is his size, 6' 185 lbs. 4th rounder.

QB Liam Coen, Massachusetts
There are better small school quarterbacks, I am trying to figure this one out. Shorter than one would like at 6'1", but solid (223 lbs), and his athleticism leaves a bit to be desired. One cannot deny his throwing ability though, as he is incredibly accurate, and has a 2:1 TD-INT ratio. UDFA

OT Samuel Allen, Grand Valley State
Nice sized tackle with above average athleticism. I like him for the zone blocking scheme. 7th rounder.

wags
03-30-2009, 09:25 PM
Texans | Westerman scheduled to work out
Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:21:43 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Rutgers DL Jamaal Westerman is scheduled to work out with the Houston Texans.

http://kffl.com

Westerman is 260 lbs and probably a 7th rd or UDFA.

ArlingtonTexan
03-31-2009, 11:14 AM
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Hartwick QB Jason Boltus interviewed with the Green Bay Packers, Carolina Panthers, Oakland Raiders, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Denver Broncos and San Francisco 49ers during the NFL Scouting Combine.

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports New Mexico State S Derrick Richardson is scheduled to visit the Houston Texans next week.

kffl.com posts

HOU-TEX
03-31-2009, 11:21 AM
This is kinda random, but when it says a player has a visit scheduled does it mean the player is coming to Houston to visit or is a Houston rep meeting the player at their own facilities? :thinking:

rmartin65
03-31-2009, 11:33 AM
I like Boltus for the Texans, in the 7th. He has all the physical tools, just played at the DIII level. He would spend a year on the PS most likely.

El Tejano
03-31-2009, 03:33 PM
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports New Mexico State S Derrick Richardson is scheduled to visit the Houston Texans next week.

kffl.com posts

AAHH! Beat me to it.

El Tejano
03-31-2009, 03:33 PM
For everyone wondering if we will get a RB in the 1st, what RB have we brought in for a visit?

Kaiser Toro
03-31-2009, 07:27 PM
This is kinda random, but when it says a player has a visit scheduled does it mean the player is coming to Houston to visit or is a Houston rep meeting the player at their own facilities? :thinking:

Not sure how it is with the NFL, but when I was working as an agent the NBA team that scheduled the visit would pay for it.

keyser
03-31-2009, 09:44 PM
This is going off on a tangent, but last year, was there any indication before draft day that the team had met with Duane Brown? Or, for that matter, Molden, Slaton, etc.?

DiehardChris
03-31-2009, 11:32 PM
This is going off on a tangent, but last year, was there any indication before draft day that the team had met with Duane Brown? Or, for that matter, Molden, Slaton, etc.?

I checked the KFFL archives, because your question made me curious.

I saw no reports of workouts or interest in Brown or Slaton, Adibi, etc.

Molden however, did do a private workout with us.

76Texan
04-01-2009, 02:35 PM
I checked the KFFL archives, because your question made me curious.

I saw no reports of workouts or interest in Brown or Slaton, Adibi, etc.

Molden however, did do a private workout with us.Didn't seem that they go all rahrah with Duane Brown, but maybe they didn't want to tip their hands.

Brown did answer an interview question, that he was told the Texans were interested in him at the Shriner game.
Kubiak also said that he likes Brown at the combine.

HOU-TEX
04-01-2009, 02:38 PM
Any news on USC's pro day yet? A freakin buttload of NFL prospects will be working out today in SoCal.

ArlingtonTexan
04-01-2009, 03:47 PM
Former Stephen F. Austin tight end Tyrell Williams is scheduled to workout at the Texans local Pro Day on Saturday. Houston, Kansas City and Jacksonville have shown significant interest in the promising tight end, who ran a 4.72 40 and displayed a 32" vertical jump at almost 6' 5" and 252 pounds at his Pro Day.

profootballtalk.com

wags
04-01-2009, 03:49 PM
From kffl....

NFL | Ogbonnaya to visit multiple teams
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Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:53:46 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Texas RB Chris Ogbonnaya will visit the San Diego Chargers and Houston Texans.


At 6'0" 220 lbs and with the Texans interest in Andre Brown it looks like we might be drafting a big back.

ArlingtonTexan
04-01-2009, 03:51 PM
This is going off on a tangent, but last year, was there any indication before draft day that the team had met with Duane Brown? Or, for that matter, Molden, Slaton, etc.?

The texans are not that forthcoming with workouts and visits, so to say they did not at any point would be a guess, but remember those visits are no different than our interviews in the real world. sometimes they find out they don't like the player or just like others more when a team talks to a player. Also, ton of informal interviewing goes on at all-star practices, the combine and these wrokouts

HOU-TEX
04-01-2009, 04:00 PM
From kffl....




At 6'0" 220 lbs and with the Texans interest in Andre Brown it looks like we might be drafting a big back.

Where did it say we were interested in Brown? I missed it? :thinking:

wags
04-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Where did it say we were interested in Brown? I missed it? :thinking:

It was posted a while back.

wags
04-01-2009, 04:04 PM
Any news on USC's pro day yet? A freakin buttload of NFL prospects will be working out today in SoCal.


from kffl...

NFL | Cushing runs at Pro Day
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Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:42:51 -0700

Andrew Garda, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports University of Southern California LB Brian Cushing ran the 40-yard dash in 4.70 seconds at his Pro Day.

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NFL | Matthews runs at Pro Day
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Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:41:01 -0700

Andrew Garda, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports University of Southern California LB Clay Matthews ran the 40-yard dash in 4.44 seconds at his Pro Day.

HOU-TEX
04-01-2009, 04:09 PM
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Holy hauling ass, Batman!! A 4.44 for Mathews??!! I think that might put him out of the Texans reach.

Crap, the rate this draft is going we might end up getting a long snapper at 15.

The Pencil Neck
04-01-2009, 04:12 PM
Wow. 4.44? Wow.

This may be a mamula situation but... I am now on-board with this pick. And of course, he'll be gone by our pick now.

Ole Miss Texan
04-01-2009, 04:19 PM
Dang, that's a GREAT time for Matthews! He pretty much outperformed most of the LBs at the Combine- top 5 performer in a lot of the events. Guy really helped himself during the offseason.

This 40 doesn't change how I feel about him, at all though. If he can play SLB in our 4-3 and possibly move up to rush the passer on some downs, then he's rated extremely high (trouble is I don't know if he can or not). However, if he's a 3-4 LB and wouldn't really fit on our team, then I don't want him at 15.

wags
04-01-2009, 04:24 PM
Interesting to note that Matthews ran a 4.67 at the combine and Cushing ran a 4.74. Makes you scratch your head a little??

The Pencil Neck
04-01-2009, 05:39 PM
Interesting to note that Matthews ran a 4.67 at the combine and Cushing ran a 4.74. Makes you scratch your head a little??

IIRC, at the Combine, Matthews had a very, very fast 10 or shuttle or something. This speed is actually more in line with whatever that other thing was.

Jackie Chiles
04-01-2009, 06:29 PM
I guess some sources have different times which would explain the 4.44 but here are the preliminary times from NFL.com that happen to be a bit more in line with what they did at the combine:

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock reports the following 40-yard dash times at USC’s pro day:

LB Kaluka Maiava: 4.68; LB Clay Matthews: 4.57; DE Kyle Moore: 4.76; LB Brian Cushing: 4.68; CB Cary Harris: 4.89; WR Patrick Turner: 4.63; S Kevin Ellison: 4.70.

Mayock also reports that QB Mark Sanchez did not run a 40 and that LB Rey Maualuga will run his later in the day.

mussop
04-01-2009, 07:24 PM
Dang, that's a GREAT time for Matthews! He pretty much outperformed most of the LBs at the Combine- top 5 performer in a lot of the events. Guy really helped himself during the offseason.

This 40 doesn't change how I feel about him, at all though. If he can play SLB in our 4-3 and possibly move up to rush the passer on some downs, then he's rated extremely high (trouble is I don't know if he can or not). However, if he's a 3-4 LB and wouldn't really fit on our team, then I don't want him at 15.

Did you see the catch he made at his pro day on Path to the draft? WOW! So much for him being just a 3/4 OLB. I just hope he is still there at 15 and we dont get any real good trade down offers.

TheRealJoker
04-01-2009, 07:34 PM
Matthews is making it really hard for us to take him after trading down with these numbers.

Ole Miss Texan
04-01-2009, 09:41 PM
Did you see the catch he made at his pro day on Path to the draft? WOW! So much for him being just a 3/4 OLB. I just hope he is still there at 15 and we dont get any real good trade down offers.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/showscontent?page=/nflnetwork/programs/pathtothedraft&subjectType=pathtothedraft
2nd video shows the linebackers. Matthews looked downright impressive and seemed MUCH more polished than the other 2. Great great catch at the end.

threetoedpete
04-02-2009, 12:54 AM
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I'm not going to be shocked at all if Singletary takes Mathews at the ten spot.

Maddict5
04-02-2009, 05:02 AM
This is going off on a tangent, but last year, was there any indication before draft day that the team had met with Duane Brown? Or, for that matter, Molden, Slaton, etc.?

they brought in molden and we heard about it.. same with jacoby the yr before. thats all i think

ArlingtonTexan
04-02-2009, 04:09 PM
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Houston Texans, New York Jets, New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers and Philadelphia Eagles have shown interest in University of Delaware TE Robbie Agnone.

kffl.com

ArlingtonTexan
04-02-2009, 04:27 PM
Rutgers cornerback Jason McCourty, who clocked a 4.30 and a 4.34 in the 40-yard dash at his campus Pro Day workout, has set up several visits, according to a league source.

The 5′11, 193-pounder is scheduled to visit the Houston Texans next week followed by visits with the Green Bay Packers and the Jacksonville Jaguars.

McCourty, who has a 3.4 grade point average and will graduate in May, has also been invited to the New York Giants and the New York Jetsí respective local prospect days.

McCourty has registered a 36 1/2 inch vertical leap, a 10-5 broad jump and bench pressed 225 pounds 15 times during workouts for NFL teams.

profootballtalk.com

El Tejano
04-05-2009, 10:07 AM
From kffl....




At 6'0" 220 lbs and with the Texans interest in Andre Brown it looks like we might be drafting a big back.

Potential Undrafted FA. He's nothing too special but he can play.

infantrycak
04-05-2009, 10:11 AM
I love the ever changing definitions. When DD was here at 221 lbs we needed a big back and he was too small. Now 220 lbs is a big back.

wags
04-06-2009, 10:20 AM
I love the ever changing definitions. When DD was here at 221 lbs we needed a big back and he was too small. Now 220 lbs is a big back.

I consider a 220 lb college back to be big. If you look at the Combine invitees and their weights there are not many RB's over 220 lbs. Compared to what we currently have they are certainly bigger.

With DD I believe his history of injury is what made some believe he needed, or the team needed more bulk.

ArlingtonTexan
04-06-2009, 11:03 PM
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Saint Paul's CB Greg Toler is scheduled to visit with the Green Bay Packers, the Minnesota Vikings and the Houston Texans

kffl.com

ArlingtonTexan
04-09-2009, 03:32 PM
One of them is Ohio University safety Michael Mitchell, who opened the eyes of representatives from roughly ten NFL clubs at his school's Pro Day in March by posting a pair of sub-4.5-second 40-yard dash times. The 6-foot-1, 221-pound defender pushed 21 reps during his bench press workout and posted a vertical jump of 37.5 inches.

The Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, New Orleans Saints, Carolina Panthers and the Bengals, Browns, Colts, Lions, and Rams were among the teams in attendance. Mitchell told Scout.com that the Browns, Colts

http://profootball.scout.com/2/854864.html

El Tejano
04-09-2009, 03:39 PM
That would be an ideal safety for us. I'm assuming he's a strong safety?

ArlingtonTexan
04-09-2009, 04:17 PM
That would be an ideal safety for us. I'm assuming he's a strong safety?

Honestly, can't find anything on him from the ESPN or USAtoday data bases.

bah007
04-09-2009, 04:23 PM
That would be an ideal safety for us. I'm assuming he's a strong safety?

This isn't meant for you personally because you are far from the first person to say something like this...

But how can a guy be an ideal player for us just based on workout numbers? I know a guy that is 6-1 235. He can jump high, run fast, and bench press a lot. But he sucks at football. He probably couldn't walk onto a high school varsity team and he is 22 years old.

Game tape trumps workout numbers 99% of the time. If he can't play, then I don't care how good of an athlete he is.

He has great measurables, but I want to see some tape before I make a judgment on him.

bah007
04-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Honestly, can't find anything on him from the ESPN or USAtoday data bases.

Here is what I've found on Mitchell:

2008:
11 games - 62 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 5 PBU, 2 FF

2007:
11 games - 74 tackles, 4 TFL, 1.5 sacks, 2 INTs, 4 PBU, 1 FF

2006:
14 games - 65 tackles, 5 TFL, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 2 PBU, 1 FF

2005:
10 games - 22 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 PBU, 1 FF

ArlingtonTexan
04-09-2009, 04:42 PM
Here is what I've found on Mitchell:

2008:
11 games - 62 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 5 PBU, 2 FF

2007:
11 games - 74 tackles, 4 TFL, 1.5 sacks, 2 INTs, 4 PBU, 1 FF

2006:
14 games - 65 tackles, 5 TFL, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 2 PBU, 1 FF

2005:
10 games - 22 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 PBU, 1 FF

I guess I should have said DRAFT data bases. Those numbers out of any context are no better than the atheltic profile out of context.

As for the athletic stuff, rememeber many teams (some believe the Texans are one of them) that if they get players who fit the profile, they can teach/train the player. My guess this a player you would see very late in the draft or as undrafted signing, considering draft info on him is not exact easy to find.

bah007
04-09-2009, 04:58 PM
]I guess I should have said DRAFT data bases. Those numbers out of any context are no better than the atheltic profile out of context.[/B]

As for the athletic stuff, rememeber many teams (some believe the Texans are one of them) that if they get players who fit the profile, they can teach/train the player. My guess this a player you would see very late in the draft or as undrafted signing, considering draft info on him is not exact easy to find.

I know what you meant. I couldn't find any scouting reports or anything like that either so I just posted what I did find.