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Mari-OWNED!
02-13-2009, 06:11 PM
Everette Brown is a 3-4 rush linebacker, trust me on this one. He only weighs 252lbs. and unless he plans on gaining at least another 30lbs. and still play at the level he plays right now, he simply will not be good for the 4-3 defense that the Texans run. Although I think Brown is a better athlete than Michael Johnson, Johnson fits more the prototypical 4-3 defensive end mold.

V3rm0nt3r
02-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Everette Brown is a 3-4 rush linebacker, trust me on this one. He only weighs 252lbs. and unless he plans on gaining at least another 30lbs. and still play at the level he plays right now, he simply will not be good for the 4-3 defense that the Texans run. Although I think Brown is a better athlete than Michael Johnson, Johnson fits more the prototypical 4-3 defensive end mold.

agreed. although Kruger would be my preferred choice over Johnson still Brown just isn't big enough to be an every down 4-3 DE. now the possibility of having him as a strong side/ blitzing OLB is enticing. the texans don't have any prototypical Sam linebackers just a bunch of Wills. i think that Smith could find another guy later in the draft for the same position but i like the idea of having Brown as that guy.

WolverineFan
02-13-2009, 06:29 PM
Everette Brown is a 3-4 rush linebacker, trust me on this one. He only weighs 252lbs. and unless he plans on gaining at least another 30lbs. and still play at the level he plays right now, he simply will not be good for the 4-3 defense that the Texans run. Although I think Brown is a better athlete than Michael Johnson, Johnson fits more the prototypical 4-3 defensive end mold.

Dwight Freeney goes about 250 and he's pretty damn good.

leebigeztx
02-13-2009, 06:31 PM
Everette Brown is a 3-4 rush linebacker, trust me on this one. He only weighs 252lbs. and unless he plans on gaining at least another 30lbs. and still play at the level he plays right now, he simply will not be good for the 4-3 defense that the Texans run. Although I think Brown is a better athlete than Michael Johnson, Johnson fits more the prototypical 4-3 defensive end mold.


Most open side/re are his size. Its more about pad level and leverage. Jason Taylor, Ogolune ad alex brown, freeney and the 235lbs mathis are all smallish defensive ends. Suggs played the right end in baltimore even with the hybrid stuff. Its like I've said, leverage and pad level. How big is Kearse? If he fails, its not going to be because of size, its going to be because like Moss in denver and some of those other guys, they can't get their pads down and convert speed to power to get the ol off balance.

DiehardChris
02-13-2009, 06:39 PM
I'm very afraid of the "tweener" guys: Brown, Maybin (maybe Orakpo).

But, just to play Devil's Advocate:

Everette Brown 6-4, 252

DE Aaron Schobel 6-4, 243 - In Bill Kollar's 4-3 defense in Buffalo 2006: 15 sacks. 2007: 6 sacks. 2008: injured.

Maddict5
02-13-2009, 09:02 PM
Everette Brown is a 3-4 rush linebacker, trust me on this one. He only weighs 252lbs. and unless he plans on gaining at least another 30lbs. and still play at the level he plays right now, he simply will not be good for the 4-3 defense that the Texans run. Although I think Brown is a better athlete than Michael Johnson, Johnson fits more the prototypical 4-3 defensive end mold.

http://i.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0709/best.dressed.nfl/images/dwight.freeney(2).jpg

dont get bogged down on weight. 252 is ok if you can play like brown does. plus players add weight as they get older. brown will probably play at between 260-270 most of his career. unfortunately, he wont be there at 15 though

Blake
02-13-2009, 10:37 PM
I dont think a player should be condemned because of his height or weight. Some guys were just born to play football. I think Brown would be fine in our new BK system. We are a rush the QB defense now and Brown is one of the best in college. But I think with so many 3-4 teams in front of us he will be gone. The Pack, Broncos, Browns and 49ers all ahead of us. Brown, Curry, Orakpo and Raji should all be gone.

LORK 88
02-13-2009, 11:23 PM
I dont think a player should be condemned because of his height or weight. Some guys were just born to play football. I think Brown would be fine in our new BK system. We are a rush the QB defense now and Brown is one of the best in college. But I think with so many 3-4 teams in front of us he will be gone. The Pack, Broncos, Browns and 49ers all ahead of us. Brown, Curry, Orakpo and Raji should all be gone.
I completely agree. Saying Everette Brown isn't a 4-3 DE because of his weight is foolish. Is Brandon Jacobs not a RB because he's too big? Should Mario be a DT becuase of his weight? Brown plays like a 4-3 DE and thus he should remain. Whenever I watched him against Wisconsin in the Bowl game he ran stunts inside and also displayed a nice bull rush that he effectively used because they feared his speed. Everette Brown is a 4-3 DE.

gg no re
02-13-2009, 11:52 PM
Lendale White should be an entire oline

DiehardChris
02-13-2009, 11:53 PM
I dont think a player should be condemned because of his height or weight. Some guys were just born to play football. I think Brown would be fine in our new BK system. We are a rush the QB defense now and Brown is one of the best in college. But I think with so many 3-4 teams in front of us he will be gone. The Pack, Broncos, Browns and 49ers all ahead of us. Brown, Curry, Orakpo and Raji should all be gone.

I agree. Some guys are just football players. If Kollar and Bush think the guy can work for our system, I'm 100% behind them. They know better than we do.

Texan JBZ
02-14-2009, 10:13 AM
Dwight Freeney goes about 250 and he's pretty damn good.

Exactly. Osi Umenyiora is not a heavy guy either. Neither is Robert Mathis, John Abraham, or Bertrand Berry. Brown would be fine for the Texans, although I'd prefer traded down into the mid-20s and picking up Michael Johnson and some extra picks.

b0ng
02-14-2009, 11:40 AM
I disagree that everette brown would fail as a texan solely based on size

beerlover
02-14-2009, 12:14 PM
like your shock-value headline approach (lame as it may be). what I don't want to see is for Rick Smith & Co. to paint themselves into a corner (must invest wisely) & force a pick because of fear or inability to address this need.

regarding Brown as the better athlete than Johnson what basis are you making that claim? if anything is true Michael Johnson has freakish athletic ability. so not for all the right reasons you give- Michael just might be the better fit here for the Texans. despite scouts who site his lack of production MJ still had 17.5 tfl & 9 sacks, not that far behind EB 21.5 tfl 13.5 sacks. I watched Georgia Tech play a couple games & MJ was constantly double teamed, he strggled to shed blockers or split double teams & was forced to chase the backside similar to Mario does because they did not run at him as much as they ran the opposite side. so he has to develop better hand placement, take proper angles & develop array of pro style rushing moves, this is where Brown clearly has the edge. However, if MJ gets into the right situation (Texans) & Bush thinks he can develop his prototypical measureables (these will be announced @ the combine) could project then translate into highlight material :)

Maddict5
02-14-2009, 04:24 PM
i cant watch college football over here so my views are solely based on youtube material..

nothing ive seen of michael johnson makes me gasp or give a 'wow' the way i have when ive seen brown's spin moves or the club he gave the v tech lt or his closing speed etc

one's a guy with great DE measurables, the other is a great DE

TexansSeminole
02-15-2009, 12:20 PM
I don't agree with this notion that a guy can't play a position because of weight, especially when other good players in the NFL play the position at the same weight.

I also think we should be looking at both Michael Johnson and Everette Brown . They both fit what we want in a 4-3 DE IMO.

YoungTexanFan
02-15-2009, 02:01 PM
I disagree like everyone else about him simply because of his weight. With that said, I just don't like him as a prospect and I don't think he will see near the success in the NFL as a 4-3 DE.

bah007
02-15-2009, 05:40 PM
I've made this post before but I guess I'll have to do it again...

Leg strength, hip strength, and leverage are infinitely more important than how much a guy weighs.

BSofA04
02-24-2009, 11:49 PM
He's actually only 6'1.5" and not 6'4"?
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/positions/DE.php
My opinion is that I really like the athleticism and closing speed of Everette Brown, but his size is starting to scare me. We're already a smaller defensive front seven (except Mario of course), so this is just something to consider...

gtexan02
02-24-2009, 11:53 PM
Anthony Weaver was 6'3 and weighs 275. Size isn't everything

TexansSeminole
02-24-2009, 11:57 PM
Don't understand people's obsession with measurables.

Football players are football players.

BSofA04
02-24-2009, 11:59 PM
Anthony Weaver was 6'3 and weighs 275. Size isn't everything
Weaver was getting pushed back into the 2nd level. My worry is that a smaller Brown might be a liability in run protection as well.

76Texan
02-25-2009, 06:20 PM
I like Everett Brown better than Michael Johnson, but I don't want to spend our #15 on neither.

If we can trade down to get 3 guys with our first 2 picks, I'd probably go:

DE: Brown or Kruger
S: William Moore (or Delmas; or perhaps Sean Smith - converted from CB, or Chung)
CB: DJ Moore or A. Smith

It's doubtful that any of those guys would last 'til mid 3rd round.

76Texan
03-05-2009, 06:25 PM
To clarify my position. I do not rate Kruger higher than either EB nor MJ.

I realize that I've been scrutinizing all the first rounders pretty harsh.
Like Raji with whom my concern is whether a big fat contract will lead to 2 many Big Macs. But it would be hard to find another big guy like that, unless we're willing to wait 'til next year when that Terrence Cody guy from Bama comes out. I watched a game yesterday, and the announcer said he's at 360 lbs. But wait... This is the fun part. He was logged at 420 lbs in Jr College. Ouch!

Everette Brown, I think, is ready to contribute right away.
Bowden rotates guys on the defensive line somewhat like the Texans do, more so than with MJ, and especially Kruger. So his stats can be misleading.
On the other hand, because of that, he can go all-out when he was in there.
What I like about him is that he has great anticipation on the snap.
(One time the announcers thought he was offside, I didn't.
He was on the RB as he got the hand-off.)

He already masters the dip move and the rip move.
His spin move isn't so bad, either.
And he's good in pursuit.

IMHO (humble), he's more proficient at DE, and not as a 3-4 OLB.
I've seen him working on Cherilus the yr before with some success. Some great battles there!
I've seen him fighting a triple-team and advancing!!!

Michael Johnson is still intriguing.
There's this one game where he looks a tad out of place.
Then there's another game where he was totally into it from start to finish.
Rousing the fans even though they were behind. Showing good sportmanship with opposing players even toward the 4th qtr. And he was doing everything he could, including blocking a FG.
If he can pull everything together, I think he can be a force.
(But can we bank on potential, that is the question!)
The plus; however, I think, we've seen the floor.
And that floor still shows a good player, IMO.

Kruger, I don't want to write him down, I need to study him more.

ThruThick&Thin
03-05-2009, 07:06 PM
Ayers has better hands, can play both DE and DT, and is 280++

Why would you not trade down and gain something and still get a guy who's talented and pissed off?

He proved he could pick balls at the combine too. This guy is the kind of havoc we need! Hooked up with Bulman, Ryans, Williams....Just think about the stunts our front 7 could put out there.


And I really think we can gain this and some if we trade down and target a skillful player like this.


I feel strongly about harvin too, but I wanna see knockout shots > TD's

76Texan
03-05-2009, 08:38 PM
I haven't got around to study Ayers yet.
In all actuality, I've been trying to concentrate on the DBs and safeties.
It just so happens that I noticed the other guys, that is all.

I hope to have time to work on the DEs and LBs.
It ain't easy!

DiehardChris
03-06-2009, 11:11 AM
Brown is on ESPN First Take right now - he's a GREAT kid! He's got personality, he says he just likes to spend his time outside because he's from the country.

Everything was yes sir, no sir, and he was very grateful to be on the show.

I was really impressed with him. I know he's probably out of the picture now with the Smith signing and the fact that he will be drafted earlier than 15, but as far as intangibles and character, he seems top notch.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2009, 11:34 AM
Brown is on ESPN First Take right now - he's a GREAT kid! He's got personality, he says he just likes to spend his time outside because he's from the country.

Everything was yes sir, no sir, and he was very grateful to be on the show.

I was really impressed with him. I know he's probably out of the picture now with the Smith signing and the fact that he will be drafted earlier than 15, but as far as intangibles and character, he seems top notch.
That's great to hear. I always want players like this to succeed, whether they're on the Texans or not. :)

Specnatz
03-06-2009, 11:57 AM
I'm very afraid of the "tweener" guys: Brown, Maybin (maybe Orakpo).

But, just to play Devil's Advocate:

Everette Brown 6-4, 252

DE Aaron Schobel 6-4, 243 - In Bill Kollar's 4-3 defense in Buffalo 2006: 15 sacks. 2007: 6 sacks. 2008: injured.

Everette Brown, DE

*
Height:
6'2"
*
Weight:
256


Combine measures. Just a slight correction.

threetoedpete
03-06-2009, 12:56 PM
I haven't got around to study Ayers yet.
In all actuality, I've been trying to concentrate on the DBs and safeties.
It just so happens that I noticed the other guys, that is all.

I hope to have time to work on the DEs and LBs.
It ain't easy!

You didn't watch the senior bowl practices ?

76Texan
03-06-2009, 08:12 PM
You didn't watch the senior bowl practices ?

I did (a few too many times), but I want to study the players in live game situations.

I tend to like real football players, hehe!

76Texan
03-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Brown is on ESPN First Take right now - he's a GREAT kid! He's got personality, he says he just likes to spend his time outside because he's from the country.

Everything was yes sir, no sir, and he was very grateful to be on the show.

I was really impressed with him. I know he's probably out of the picture now with the Smith signing and the fact that he will be drafted earlier than 15, but as far as intangibles and character, he seems top notch.

Yeah, now I can see he's probably top ten material.