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dalemurphy
02-12-2009, 01:35 PM
Okay, so with the increased possibility of an uncapped 2010, I think many NFL teams will decide to only tender their RFAs... Here's why.

Under the uncapped rules, a player can not become an UFA until they have 6 years of tenure instead of the 4 it is currently. So, with OD, DRyans, RButler, Dressens, DAnderson all having 3 years of tenure, they are now RFAs and scheduled to be UFAs next season (under the collective bargaining agreement). However, the Texans can simply tender OD and DRyans the top level to keep them this year and give mid level tenders to the rest in order to keep them. All of those contracts would be very small. Then, if next season is uncapped, then they still have exclusive rights to all those guys until 2012- which means they will be bidding against nobody.


With the uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement and the economy in general, this is something to look for. It'll be interesting to see how many teams take this path- I expect the Texans may still re-sign DRyans but may just tender everyone else, including OD. It would certainly give them a financial advantage moving forward--- if 2010 is uncapped.

WolverineFan
02-12-2009, 01:38 PM
Okay, so with the increased possibility of an uncapped 2010, I think many NFL teams will decide to only tender their RFAs... Here's why.

Under the uncapped rules, a player can not become an UFA until they have 6 years of tenure instead of the 4 it is currently. So, with OD, DRyans, RButler, Dressens, DAnderson all having 3 years of tenure, they are now RFAs and scheduled to be UFAs next season (under the collective bargaining agreement). However, the Texans can simply tender OD and DRyans the top level to keep them this year and give mid level tenders to the rest in order to keep them. All of those contracts would be very small. Then, if next season is uncapped, then they still have exclusive rights to all those guys until 2012- which means they will be bidding against nobody.


With the uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement and the economy in general, this is something to look for. It'll be interesting to see how many teams take this path- I expect the Texans may still re-sign DRyans but may just tender everyone else, including OD. It would certainly give them a financial advantage moving forward--- if 2010 is uncapped.

That does sound like a good move if no new deal falls through.

gtexan02
02-12-2009, 01:47 PM
EDIT: Nevermind! Got the contracts mixed up.

Ole Miss Texan
02-12-2009, 01:54 PM
In Chris Olsen and Rick Smith we trust!!!

infantrycak
02-12-2009, 03:05 PM
However, the Texans can simply tender OD and DRyans the top level to keep them this year and give mid level tenders to the rest in order to keep them.

Demeco is signed through 2009 on his rookie contract, but otherwise your point remains.

dalemurphy
02-12-2009, 03:13 PM
Demeco is signed through 2009 on his rookie contract, but otherwise your point remains.

True, but it's also valid that if they choose to let him contract run out, he won't be a UFA until 2012 if next year is uncapped. If the uncapped year is a foregone conclusion, I think much of the NFL will proceed that way... not only will it help the teams financially but it will also be a bargaining chip in the collective bargaining discussions moving forward.


On another note, I think everyone's missing the issue regarding the rookie salary cap. The cap is fine. The rookies aren't overpaid, IMO, given the length of many careeres. The only chang neccessary is the money within the cap needs to be redistributed. My guess is that the 1st round receives over half the money of the entire seven round draft. Also, obviously the upper first round is even more out of whack. If the NFL were to make the scale much less inequitable. Let's say, for example, that a first round pick only makes 20% more than the 2nd round pick.. that would fix the problem. Also, it would encourage the better college athletes to finish his senior year. All of which is good for the NFL, the fan, and the college/NFL player.

infantrycak
02-12-2009, 03:26 PM
On another note, I think everyone's missing the issue regarding the rookie salary cap. The cap is fine. The rookies aren't overpaid, IMO, given the length of many careeres. The only chang neccessary is the money within the cap needs to be redistributed. My guess is that the 1st round receives over half the money of the entire seven round draft. Also, obviously the upper first round is even more out of whack. If the NFL were to make the scale much less inequitable. Let's say, for example, that a first round pick only makes 20% more than the 2nd round pick.. that would fix the problem. Also, it would encourage the better college athletes to finish his senior year. All of which is good for the NFL, the fan, and the college/NFL player.

All they really need to futz with is the top 10 spots. Below that the salaries are not outrageous relatively speaking.

dalemurphy
02-12-2009, 05:13 PM
All they really need to futz with is the top 10 spots. Below that the salaries are not outrageous relatively speaking.

I totally agree!

Second Honeymoon
02-12-2009, 05:34 PM
Okay, so with the increased possibility of an uncapped 2010, I think many NFL teams will decide to only tender their RFAs... Here's why.

Under the uncapped rules, a player can not become an UFA until they have 6 years of tenure instead of the 4 it is currently. So, with OD, DRyans, RButler, Dressens, DAnderson all having 3 years of tenure, they are now RFAs and scheduled to be UFAs next season (under the collective bargaining agreement). However, the Texans can simply tender OD and DRyans the top level to keep them this year and give mid level tenders to the rest in order to keep them. All of those contracts would be very small. Then, if next season is uncapped, then they still have exclusive rights to all those guys until 2012- which means they will be bidding against nobody.


With the uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement and the economy in general, this is something to look for. It'll be interesting to see how many teams take this path- I expect the Texans may still re-sign DRyans but may just tender everyone else, including OD. It would certainly give them a financial advantage moving forward--- if 2010 is uncapped.

Sounds like your coming on board with the whole uncapped year angle. 2010 is 100% going to be uncapped though. That has already been triggered, now its all about how to handle the transition to any negotiated CBA and whether teams will be given some leeway and wiggle room to resign their players or if they will be told to sink or swim. Doubtful its the latter, so I think you have already seen many teams go aggressively after some top FAs last year and I think you will only see that increase over the next two years. Smith's current seat in the Competition Committee should help the franchise have a feel towards where things look to be heading after current CBA expires.

dalemurphy
02-12-2009, 06:08 PM
Sounds like your coming on board with the whole uncapped year angle. 2010 is 100% going to be uncapped though.

I realize that it's a possibility. I think it's pretty silly to act like it's a certainty when it's a year away. That being said, I'm interested in how the Texans and the rest of the NFL may behave differently with the threat of it coming.

Grid
02-12-2009, 09:12 PM
So what is going to happen in 2010? We gonna sign all of our young players to 7 year 50 million dollar contracts with 49 million given in the first year?

mexican_texan
02-12-2009, 11:01 PM
The league won't let the uncapped season to happen. It'll ruin football as we know it. A rookie pool would be nice though, or at least a cap that wouldn't let the 1st overall pick make as much as the top 5 or 10 players at his position.

nunusguy
02-13-2009, 07:46 AM
I dunno, what I'm puzzled about is why a mere roster reserve like Rashad Butler would get top-billing in the thread title along with Texans Stars/Pro-Bowlers Demeco & OD ?

dalemurphy
02-13-2009, 09:22 AM
So what is going to happen in 2010? We gonna sign all of our young players to 7 year 50 million dollar contracts with 49 million given in the first year?

No, if 2010 is uncapped, then they would all be ERFA (exclusive rights free agents). Anybody without a contract and less than 6 years in the NFL can only sign with the one team that has their rights.

mexican_texan
02-13-2009, 10:33 AM
I dunno, what I'm puzzled about is why a mere roster reserve like Rashad Butler would get top-billing in the thread title along with Texans Stars/Pro-Bowlers Demeco & OD ?
He's going to be a starter someday.

Honoring Earl 34
02-13-2009, 10:35 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11366123/rss

Second Honeymoon
02-13-2009, 01:47 PM
The league won't let the uncapped season to happen. It'll ruin football as we know it. A rookie pool would be nice though, or at least a cap that wouldn't let the 1st overall pick make as much as the top 5 or 10 players at his position.

it has already been decided that 2010 is uncapped. it was automatically triggered when the deadline passed like 5 months ago. there is nothing they can do about 2010 as its already a done deal. i don't know how much clearer it can be, i have provided links but some people just think its gonna somehow magically disappear. fact is, its already been decided and is not open for debate.

dalemurphy
02-13-2009, 01:54 PM
it has already been decided that 2010 is uncapped. it was automatically triggered when the deadline passed like 5 months ago. there is nothing they can do about 2010 as its already a done deal. i don't know how much clearer it can be, i have provided links but some people just think its gonna somehow magically disappear. fact is, its already been decided and is not open for debate.

You are wrong. If they reach agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement then next season will not be uncapped. You misunderstand the trigger. Under the current collective bargaining agreement which expires after 2010, the uncapped season has been triggered. However, the entire point of that clause is to motivate the two sides to reach a new agreement before that happens.

HOU-TEX
02-13-2009, 02:29 PM
it has already been decided that 2010 is uncapped. it was automatically triggered when the deadline passed like 5 months ago. there is nothing they can do about 2010 as its already a done deal. i don't know how much clearer it can be, i have provided links but some people just think its gonna somehow magically disappear. fact is, its already been decided and is not open for debate.

You are wrong. If they reach agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement then next season will not be uncapped. You misunderstand the trigger. Under the current collective bargaining agreement which expires after 2010, the uncapped season has been triggered. However, the entire point of that clause is to motivate the two sides to reach a new agreement before that happens.

IIRC, they have until March of 2010 to come to an agreement. Right?

BTW, it wouldn't be the first time SH has been wrong. He thought Carr was going to be a badass. :worm:

Mr teX
02-13-2009, 03:18 PM
You are wrong. If they reach agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement then next season will not be uncapped. You misunderstand the trigger. Under the current collective bargaining agreement which expires after 2010, the uncapped season has been triggered. However, the entire point of that clause is to motivate the two sides to reach a new agreement before that happens.

Pretty much how i understood it, thanks for clarifying that. & like mexican texan said, the NFL owners aren't going to letit get to that point. something will be worked out before then. You'd better believe they see how The MLB player's union has run over the owners in that league & they aren't about to let that happen to them.

Norg
02-13-2009, 11:45 PM
Demeco will be gone by 2010 or 2011

Sadly i can for see this

I think OD will be here for a bit longer tho maybe 2014