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Texans34Life
02-11-2009, 12:21 AM
http://profootball.scout.com/2/837137.html

15. Brian Orakpo, DE Texas

The Texans have a promising defense, but outside of Mario Williams they don't have a DE who can get to the QB. Houston welcomes Orakpo.

Goldensilence
02-11-2009, 12:41 AM
http://profootball.scout.com/2/837137.html

15. Brian Orakpo, DE Texas

The Texans have a promising defense, but outside of Mario Williams they don't have a DE who can get to the QB. Houston welcomes Orakpo.

Would be elated if he fell to us at 15. Guy really stepped up this year and he knows how to use his hands well.

beerlover
02-11-2009, 04:22 AM
Would be elated if he fell to us at 15. Guy really stepped up this year and he knows how to use his hands well.

he sure looks like a Terrell Suggs 3-4 OLB. wish he was the player on the board in 04 insert/babin instead :gun:

TimeKiller
02-11-2009, 08:16 AM
awesome. i wish this would happen.

Ole Miss Texan
02-11-2009, 09:59 AM
I'm not completely impressed with Orakpo to the point most fans are. He seems like a good all around kind of DE put I don't see him as having an elite anything. This leaves me to believe he's not going to be picked in the top 5. What he does have, from what I can gather, is that he goes ALL OUT every play. He seems like he'll be a good teammate, he's smart, is a hard worker, and will give you his all. As a fan, that's all you can ask for. That sounds like a guy that's worth looking at 10-15 but not top 5. On the other hand, sometimes the really successful DEs aren't necessarily the ones that are perfect, they're the ones that WANT it more than anyone else.

If Kubiak and Smith think Orakpo is BPA at that spot, I have NO problem at all with the pick. Rak really seems like he's got his head on straight. I see him as being a low risk pick. Even if he never turns out to be a great pass rusher, I think he'll always have a spot on a team. I don't see him as being a bust solely because every game/practice he tries so dang hard.

Polo
02-11-2009, 10:03 AM
Orakpo is going to test well at the combine and be taken off the board before we pick.

Polo
02-11-2009, 10:40 AM
My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.



With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)
My third round picks I'd take RB and LB in any order. (Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews)

My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)
Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player. (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)
sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)
seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)

HOU-TEX
02-11-2009, 11:54 AM
he sure looks like a Terrell Suggs 3-4 OLB. wish he was the player on the board in 04 insert/babin instead :gun:

I agree, beerlover. Mayock has Orakpo, Maybin and English listed as OLB's. I'm sure there's a possibility that they might translate into an NFL 4-3 scheme, but Mayock usually knows his stuff when it comes to scouting College players.

The1ApplePie
02-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Orakpo is going to test well at the combine and be taken off the board before we pick.

He'll out squat and bench any DE at the combine, if he has a great 40, he's gone in the top 10.

The Pencil Neck
02-12-2009, 12:33 AM
He'll out squat and bench any DE at the combine, if he has a great 40, he's gone in the top 10.

They don't squat at the combine.

Do they? Man, I'd so much prefer that (or cleans or deadlifts) to seeing guys flat bench.

bah007
02-12-2009, 01:10 AM
They don't squat at the combine.

Do they? Man, I'd so much prefer that (or cleans or deadlifts) to seeing guys flat bench.

I'm certain they don't squat.

They don't want to risk injury I guess?

Power cleans and back squats are worth way more to any athlete than the bench press is.

mexican_texan
02-12-2009, 01:25 AM
My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.



With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)
My third round picks I'd take RB and LB in any order. (Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews)

My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)
Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player. (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)
sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)
seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)
I like Clay Matthews, but is he really projected to go that high? I expected him to go 4th or 5th

DiehardChris
02-12-2009, 01:54 AM
I like Clay Matthews, but is he really projected to go that high? I expected him to go 4th or 5th

I've seen talk that he's FLYING up the board and might end up in the second. I don't remember if it was LZ or who - but I know it wasn't from one of the "eye-roller" draft sites.

mexican_texan
02-12-2009, 02:47 AM
I wouldn't use a 2nd on him. By the time the draft comes, I'm sure Cushing is going to tumble down, but I didn't expect Matthews to rise so much.

I don't have as much free time as I used to have, so I figure this is a good place to ask: where is Hunter Cantwell slated to go?

mussop
02-12-2009, 02:51 AM
I wouldn't use a 2nd on him. By the time the draft comes, I'm sure Cushing is going to tumble down, but I didn't expect Matthews to rise so much.

I don't have as much free time as I used to have, so I figure this is a good place to ask: where is Hunter Cantwell slated to go?

I dont think Mathews is gets a second round grade just yet. Not enough production to get better than a 3rd rounder IMO. Now if he goes to the combine and shows some special athleticism I could see him moving into the second.

DiehardChris
02-12-2009, 03:54 AM
I wouldn't use a 2nd on him. By the time the draft comes, I'm sure Cushing is going to tumble down, but I didn't expect Matthews to rise so much.

I don't have as much free time as I used to have, so I figure this is a good place to ask: where is Hunter Cantwell slated to go?

I don't even know who that is :(

danger6
02-12-2009, 09:47 AM
I've seen talk that he's FLYING up the board and might end up in the second. I don't remember if it was LZ or who - but I know it wasn't from one of the "eye-roller" draft sites.

Here is some recent information on Clay Matthews:

From thehuddlereport.com:

A recent posting in their Talent Board:

Clay Matthews LB USC

STRENGTHS
Clay is a quality pass rushing LB with excellent potential to develop into a complete LB for any style of defense. He has good size as well as great quickness and burst. He also has many different pass rush moves and very mature pass rush techniques. Clay is a smart LB who shows leadership skills through his play on the field. He has the size, burst and quickness to be an impact special teams player and pass rusher at the next level. Clay is one of my sleeper players in this draft, but something tells me that it will not be long before I will have to take the sleeper tag off this kid!

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
If Clay can prove that he has good change of direction skills and some coverage ability at the upcoming Senior Bowl and combine, then Clay could move up into the first round of this draft. Right now, on film, it is hard for me to see these two skills because of the way Clay was used in the defense for his college team. But something tells me he has them!

TALENT BOARD ROUND 1
Clay reminds me of Matt Roth, a DE/LB drafted in the 2005 draft in the 2nd round by the Miami Dolphins; however, I feel that Clay has more athleticism than Matt. Clay is a hell of a special teams player and that alone, with his pass rushing talents, is enough for me to look really hard at him in the latter part of the first round. If I use a defense like the New England Patriots, Clay is high on my list because he fits that type of system right now. As far as being a 4-3 LB, we will just have to see how well he does at the combine and Senior Bowl. He looks like he has the athleticism to play in any defensive system and might have the talent to play more than one LB position. His LTI is very short because of his mature techniques when rushing the passer. When Clay comes on the field in pass rushing situations, he is going to have to be accounted for. When it's all said and done, Clay might wind up having the longest and the best career out of all the LB's coming out from USC in this draft. Clay is a quality kid with a ton of talent that I believe has not yet been tapped into and if I was a playoff team in the 1st round, Clay is exactly the type of player I would like to add to my defense.


ALSO:

From CBS Sports, referencing to NFLDraftScout.com:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/504552

“Clay Matthews, 6-3, 246, ILB, Southern California
While teammates Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing certainly earned more attention throughout their respective careers, it is the former walk-on Matthews, Jr., who some scouts feel ultimately could be the best of the bunch.” Considering he came to USC as a 166-pound linebacker and tight end with only Idaho offering him a D-I scholarship, his rise to stardom has been remarkable.
A special teams standout early in his career, Matthews didn't emerge as even a starter until three games into his senior campaign. Showing burst off the snap as a hybrid defensive end and surprising fluidity and instincts in coverage, Matthews posted 56 tackles and finished third on the team in tackles for loss (9.5) and second in sacks (4.5).
A strong performance at the Senior Bowl had scouts buzzing about his upside, especially considering his family's gridiron success. Considering he has only started 10 games over his career, there isn't a prospect in the country who can match Matthews' meteoric rise up draft boards this year.

Positives: Ascending player who may be just scratching the surface of his potential. Well-built athlete whose dedication in the weight-room is obvious in his physique. Reliable open-field tackler. Versatile defender who flashes as a natural pass rusher off the edge. Good speed upfield and has the balance and burst to redirect his rush. Good initial hand punch to pop the blocker and disengage. Good effort and speed in pursuit. Instinctive defender who played well in space as a traditional linebacker. Excellent special teams player. Twice named co-special teams player of the year (2005, 2006). Excellent bloodlines. Father, Clay, played 19 seasons at linebacker and made the Pro Bowl four times. Uncle, Bruce, made the Pro Bowl 14 times and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2007. Grandfather, also named Clay, played for the 49ers in the 1950s. Pac-10 Academic All-American with a 3.06 GPA in international relations.
Negatives: Has less than a full season as a starter and only 10 career starts -- all in 2008. Surrounded by so much talent at USC that holes in his game could have been disguised. Lacks the bulk to remain at defensive end. Prefers to run around blocks rather than take them on. While he improved as the year went on, remains a work in progress in disengaging from blocks. Suffered broken left thumb against Nebraska, then fractured a metacarpal later in season, then had to have surgery after the bowl game as it did not heal properly.”

bah007
02-12-2009, 11:13 AM
I wouldn't use a 2nd on him. By the time the draft comes, I'm sure Cushing is going to tumble down, but I didn't expect Matthews to rise so much.

I don't have as much free time as I used to have, so I figure this is a good place to ask: where is Hunter Cantwell slated to go?

I have him as my #7 QB. I would say he probably goes late 4th/early 5th.

As for Matthews. I think he will go early to mid 2nd.

Blake
02-13-2009, 02:18 PM
I can see Orakpo falling to us and then us trading back.

bah007
02-13-2009, 02:21 PM
I can see Orakpo falling to us and then us trading back.

I don't see Orakpo falling to us, and if he does, I don't see us trading back.

We are all pretty much agreed that our #1 need is a DE opposite Mario.

Orakpo is the best fit to that need. He is a pass rush specialist and he has a nonstop motor.

WolverineFan
02-13-2009, 03:06 PM
I don't see Orakpo falling to us, and if he does, I don't see us trading back.

We are all pretty much agreed that our #1 need is a DE opposite Mario.

Orakpo is the best fit to that need. He is a pass rush specialist and he has a nonstop motor.

Well Derrick Johnson fell into our lap a couple years ago and we took Travis Johnson so . . .

The Pencil Neck
02-13-2009, 04:44 PM
Well Derrick Johnson fell into our lap a couple years ago and we took Travis Johnson so . . .

Luckily, that was a different FO.

WolverineFan
02-13-2009, 04:49 PM
Luckily, that was a different FO.

Very true. I have faith that Kubiak & Co. will make the right decision. They've brought us this far so I have no reason not to believe in him.

threetoedpete
02-15-2009, 01:50 PM
Well Derrick Johnson fell into our lap a couple years ago and we took Travis Johnson so . . .

IIRC....we were sitting in the thirteenth slot......there were two players we coveted, Derick Johnson and Jamal Brown. No one knows.....but CC got the phone call to move back to sixteen and pick up a pick. Brown went off the board....then Derrick Johnson went off the board two picks latter. Technically you're correct...they passed on Derrick Johnson. However, Travis fit a need and I think hind sight has proven he was selected twenty spots too high.
And basically CC's gamble blew up in his face. Which was a common failing when CC was drafting players.

http://www.drafthistory.com/years/2005.html

How the heck do you miss an entire board of players in 2005 ?

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/texans.html

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