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Yankee_In_TX
02-10-2009, 04:14 PM
Ahman Green and Morlon Greenwood released. My spirit is crushed.

Errant Hothy
02-10-2009, 04:15 PM
Ahman Green and Morlon Greenwood released. My spirit is crushed.

Mine is oddly lifted.

chicagotexan2
02-10-2009, 04:16 PM
I'm teenking uv d positive u ponderin da evil.
u wonder why u life iz so miza-rabble.

Morlon izza rappa AKA De Ultimate. Maybe he and James Allen (Mersilis) can be a duet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-nldENm6Ls

Well I do want to say thanks to Ahman. Not so much for his contribution on the field, but for being a part of the donor that got that lady into a home for herself and young son with Autism. Classy move, Mr. Green.

GuerillaBlack
02-10-2009, 04:20 PM
http://g.emule.com/the-best-day-ever/the-best-day-ever.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdqfz856uNc

Allstar
02-10-2009, 04:20 PM
:woot2

I guess this goes to show you how confident the staff is in Adibi and Diles. It's kind of exciting.

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 04:24 PM
oh noes...

I was also a big supporter of Greenwood, but he really let me down this season. Addition by subtraction. Hello cap money

Texan_Bill
02-10-2009, 04:26 PM
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l136/niamhywonder/hAPPYhAPPYjoyjoy.gif

hookinreds
02-10-2009, 04:29 PM
I feel like I just passed two kidney stones.

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 04:29 PM
Its interesting to me that only these 2 were released right away. This tells me a few things:

1. They liked what they saw in Abidi
2. They are waiting to see what happens with DE over the FA period and draft before making a decision on Weaver

Jackie Chiles
02-10-2009, 04:31 PM
Very good news, we continue to trim the fat. Anyone know how much cap space this is going to clear and how long these contracts will be on the books?

Shaft75
02-10-2009, 04:38 PM
Here's to no more batman talk or horrible Jamaican rapping!:smiliedance:

HOU-TEX
02-10-2009, 04:38 PM
Very good news, we continue to trim the fat. Anyone know how much cap space this is going to clear and how long these contracts will be on the books?

I'm not sure if this is updated or not. Green restructured last season, right.

If I'm reading Kieth's cap page correctly we'll clear around 12.8 in cap space. Is this correct?

Mr teX
02-10-2009, 04:40 PM
:whip::splits:.....The happiness i feel at this moment is 2nd only to the birth of my children.

...now lets keep it moving with 1 Mr. Petey "toasties" Faggins & Anthony "do-nothing-for-alot" Weaver. If they made this happen i'd already be excited for next season...

Errant Hothy
02-10-2009, 04:41 PM
Linkage:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6256500.html

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 04:46 PM
Very good news, we continue to trim the fat. Anyone know how much cap space this is going to clear and how long these contracts will be on the books?

From inthebullseye.com

Greenwoods contract expires in 09. He was scheduled to earn 6.3 million this year. I think we save about 5 million by cutting him with 1.5 million in dead money this year only

Green's contract ends in 2010, and he was scheduled to make 6.6 million. I think we save around 4 million by cutting him with around 2 million in dead money this season. I don't know how much his 2010 guaranteed money was supposed to be, but its got to be very small (his original contract only had like 6 or 7 million guaranteed and I think we've already paid close to that amount)

HoustonFrog
02-10-2009, 04:47 PM
So who are they drafting or picking up behind Slaton now?:)

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 04:47 PM
I'm not sure if this is updated or not. Green restructured last season, right.

If I'm reading Kieth's cap page correctly we'll clear around 12.8 in cap space. Is this correct?

Green restructured, but only for last season and only his base salary. We will clear 12.8 in cap space but incur about 3.5 in dead money this season

HOU-TEX
02-10-2009, 04:50 PM
So who are they drafting or picking up behind Slaton now?:)

Well, we still have Chris Brown......:rolleyes:

Green restructured, but only for last season and only his base salary. We will clear 12.8 in cap space but incur about 3.5 in dead money this season

Cool. I'm not real familiar with understanding cap issues.

Tailgate
02-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Green restructured, but only for last season and only his base salary. We will clear 12.8 in cap space but incur about 3.5 in dead money this season

Not bad considering we went from having double digits in dead money in 2007 to around 1 million before this I think.

Say what you want, but our cap management has been light years ahead of our first regime. Obviously.

Yankee_In_TX
02-10-2009, 04:54 PM
So who are they drafting or picking up behind Slaton now?:)

Err, Chris Taylor?

Jackie Chiles
02-10-2009, 04:57 PM
Green restructured, but only for last season and only his base salary. We will clear 12.8 in cap space but incur about 3.5 in dead money this season

That is some substantial money. Combined with our already substantial cap space we should have plenty to extend guys like DeMeco, Daniels and Walter as well as (hopefully) re-sign Dunta. Even after that we could potentially be players in FA if the right player became available.

Kaiser Toro
02-10-2009, 05:00 PM
We just saved 7.33M on the cap this season with these releases. Every agent will want to speak with us and our ~37m and counting to play with this offseason.

rarazz00
02-10-2009, 05:09 PM
Ahman Green and Morlon Greenwood released. My spirit is crushed.

Man you got this out before the usual beat writers...great job:fans:

Ole Miss Texan
02-10-2009, 05:19 PM
Not bad considering we went from having double digits in dead money in 2007 to around 1 million before this I think.

Say what you want, but our cap management has been light years ahead of our first regime. Obviously.

THANK YOU CHRIS OLSEN!!!! - Cap Guru we got from the NFL league office. I think the biggest thing to building a perennial winner is to get a great coaching and front office staff. Guys like Kubiak, Smith, Gibbs, Olsen, etc. It looks like that's what we've been doing and hopefully add to it.

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 05:21 PM
We just saved 7.33M on the cap this season with these releases. Every agent will want to speak with us and our ~37m and counting to play with this offseason.

How do you get 7.33M?
Their combined 2009 salary figures were 12.9 million, and the allocated bonus pay for this season was 3.5 million. This seems to indicate a net savings of 9.4 million against the cap.

Are you assuming the other 2 million is from Green's bonus allocation? If so, how do you see his 2010 cap hit numbers?

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/nfl/article_1273166.php/Ahman_Green_and_Texans_agree_to_terms
His original contract was signed in May of 2007, 4 years 23 million with 6.5 guaranteed

http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2009.html
07 - dont know
08 - His 08 bonus allocation was 4.45 million
09 - His 09 bonus allocation was 2.037 million
10 - don't know

It would seem that his bonus was front-weighted such that we won't have any dead money on the 2010 cap from his cutting this year, right?

Malloy
02-10-2009, 05:28 PM
So who are they drafting or picking up behind Slaton now?:)

I liked what I saw from Moats alot. Im ok with grabbing a late round back and then see what Moats + X does as backup.

Hardcore Texan
02-10-2009, 05:28 PM
This is good news, just like some of the folks we saw leave last year, it meant we were improving and hopefully upgrading.

Holy Toledo, I didn't think Green had been here 4 seasons, I thought it was 3, but according to the Chron dot com article it's 4, that's how much dude was off the field, I forgot how long we had him.

76Texan
02-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Nothing surprising here!

When we first signed Ahman, I hoped that he can stay healthy.
But I had expected that this year we can't neither count on him nor Chris Brown to do so.
It's a good thing that he restructured his contract.
But really, we need healthy bodies!

Greenwood, thanks for trying. Smart player without enough talent can't get hurt to begin with.

Sorry guys, it's just a business!

GuerillaBlack
02-10-2009, 05:34 PM
I liked what I saw from Moats alot. Im ok with grabbing a late round back and then see what Moats + X does as backup.

Moats is okay. He's not the power back we need. Just a poor man's Steve Slaton, with like half the talent.

texanfan2002114
02-10-2009, 05:38 PM
This is good news, just like some of the folks we saw leave last year, it meant we were improving and hopefully upgrading.

Holy Toledo, I didn't think Green had been here 4 seasons, I thought it was 3, but according to the Chron dot com article it's 4, that's how much dude was off the field, I forgot how long we had him.


Paul, Green was only here 2 years. 2007 and 2008.

http://stats.chron.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4261&team=34&page=enc

Greenwood was here for 4 years.

imatexan
02-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Ehh we better use that money well if not this will be pointless.

houstonbola
02-10-2009, 05:41 PM
I am overly excited now at this news, I just saw it on WalterFootball.com and came here to see if anyone spread the news yet. I feel so relieved we let go of that roster space eater Green(did anyone see him on the movie BigStan) and also Greenwood who wasnt only mediocre. Now lets drop Weaver and Faggins, so we can move on to bigger and better things. Heck yes baby!!!!!!

Kaiser Toro
02-10-2009, 05:49 PM
How do you get 7.33M?
Their combined 2009 salary figures were 12.9 million, and the allocated bonus pay for this season was 3.5 million. This seems to indicate a net savings of 9.4 million against the cap.

Are you assuming the other 2 million is from Green's bonus allocation? If so, how do you see his 2010 cap hit numbers?

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/nfl/article_1273166.php/Ahman_Green_and_Texans_agree_to_terms
His original contract was signed in May of 2007, 4 years 23 million with 6.5 guaranteed

http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2009.html
07 - dont know
08 - His 08 bonus allocation was 4.45 million
09 - His 09 bonus allocation was 2.037 million
10 - don't know

It would seem that his bonus was front-weighted such that we won't have any dead money on the 2010 cap from his cutting this year, right?

I estmated Green's bonus allocation would mirror 2008 - 2.037m

Greenwood is easy - we see 4.768m of goodness.

Green would be esimated at a savings of 2.562m.

With all that said, per inthebullseye.com's numbers and you aptly calling out the 4.45m allocation in 2008, Green did re-negotiate his contract last year which inthebullseye may reflect. In this event we would indeed see a greater savings for this release. :splits:

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 05:52 PM
Money-money-money-moneeeee.....money! :banana:

Any idea whether you think McNair plans on using the cap space or staying low due ot the financial crisis?

rarazz00
02-10-2009, 06:01 PM
HMMM, so now what do we do about Chris Brown and Chris Taylor:thinking:

Brando
02-10-2009, 06:09 PM
Here's to no more batman talk or horrible Jamaican rapping!:smiliedance:

Right behind the firing of Dick Smith! This is great news! Our LB corps just got faster and our RB situation got healthier.

Brando
02-10-2009, 06:11 PM
I am overly excited now at this news, I just saw it on WalterFootball.com and came here to see if anyone spread the news yet. I feel so relieved we let go of that roster space eater Green(did anyone see him on the movie BigStan) and also Greenwood who wasnt only mediocre. Now lets drop Weaver and Faggins, so we can move on to bigger and better things. Heck yes baby!!!!!!

I'm all for letting Weaver go but I want to give Faggins time with the new DC and DB coach and see what happens.

infantrycak
02-10-2009, 06:25 PM
Faggins is an unrestricted free agent. They will have to sign him up again to see how he does under a new staff.

TEXANS84
02-10-2009, 06:25 PM
Who is this Ahman Green person you people keep talking about?

Austrian
02-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Good news! Still I wish them both best of luck for their future.

BigBull17
02-10-2009, 06:37 PM
I'm all for letting Weaver go but I want to give Faggins time with the new DC and DB coach and see what happens.

...Why? So he can show perfect form and get run by?

False Start
02-10-2009, 06:55 PM
This is god news. Greenwood and his "definition of pass interference" play in the endzone last season is gone, and so is that Green dude.(not the HULK) :jam:

J-Russ
02-10-2009, 07:04 PM
Thank you, Jesus.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_oxZgBBul4Wk/R_e1UeIVAqI/AAAAAAAAAWs/_Re2AWcvdmU/s400/BuddyJesus.jpg

mussop
02-10-2009, 07:14 PM
I couldnt be happier. I have let my feelings be known about Greenwood for the last 3 years. In fact I never liked the guy. It does worry me though. This is a weak year for OLB's in the draft IMO. I really hope we dont reach for a guy like Cushing.

TimeKiller
02-10-2009, 07:58 PM
Good for the team, bad for the Greens.

ATXtexanfan
02-10-2009, 08:08 PM
This really put a smile on my face

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-10-2009, 08:16 PM
Ahman Green played for the Texans?

WolverineFan
02-10-2009, 08:21 PM
We save $8.8 mil in cap space by realeasing those two guys. Time for a run at Dunta anybody?

Chicagotexan1
02-10-2009, 08:24 PM
We save $8.8 mil in cap space by realeasing those two guys. Time for a run at Dunta anybody?

I don't know or care what you just said just please enlarge your avatar.

TomLandryFan
02-10-2009, 08:31 PM
I don't know or care what you just said just please enlarge your avatar.

Yes, please... what he said... :specnatz:

Malloy
02-10-2009, 08:35 PM
I don't know or care what you just said just please enlarge your avatar.

Looks pretty enlarged to me already... :)

GlassHalfFull
02-10-2009, 08:38 PM
Yes, please... what he said... :specnatz:

4th post in 4 years for this! :sigh:

painekiller
02-10-2009, 08:51 PM
I couldnt be happier. I have let my feelings be known about Greenwood for the last 3 years. In fact I never liked the guy. It does worry me though. This is a weak year for OLB's in the draft IMO. I really hope we dont reach for a guy like Cushing.

You have said this on a few postings, there are plenty of WILLs out there. Think round 3. How about moving a SS like Nic Harris to Will? That is a move I could get behind.

BTW here is a good list of the OLBs (http://www.gbnreport.com/2009prospects.html)

ObsiWan
02-10-2009, 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by TomLandryFan http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1116260#post1116260)
Yes, please... what he said... :specnatz:

4th post in 4 years for this! :sigh:

Four posts in four years!
...now THAT is a lurker!
LOL

PHAROAH
02-10-2009, 08:56 PM
:woot2

I guess this goes to show you how confident the staff is in Adibi and Diles. It's kind of exciting.I'm not sure they are that confident but they are looking to bring in better players that can help the Texans make the play offs. Thank God they cut them and I hope drop DE - Anthony Weaver who has been a huge disappointment.



:fans:

Brandon420tx
02-10-2009, 08:58 PM
I couldnt be happier. I have let my feelings be known about Greenwood for the last 3 years. In fact I never liked the guy. It does worry me though. This is a weak year for OLB's in the draft IMO. I really hope we dont reach for a guy like Cushing.

Its a good OLB free agent class though :d:

Koolaid Time
02-10-2009, 09:06 PM
With A. Green gone, Methodist Hospital will be losing a large part of its advertising...

"Official Healthcare Provider of the Houston Texans"

BSofA04
02-10-2009, 09:27 PM
Long past due. Greenwood was a matter of time, he really stunk it up. Ahman was a waste of space. Thanks for nothing!

Nawzer
02-10-2009, 09:29 PM
Never liked Morlon Greenwood. Ahman unfortunately couldn't stay healthy. Goodluck to those guys.

TexansSeminole
02-10-2009, 09:32 PM
What do you guys think of going after Bart Scott from the Ravens? He played next to Ray Lewis as a MLB in that 3-4 defense. I think he could play SAM here and push Diles for the starting spot.

TheRealJoker
02-10-2009, 09:43 PM
This extra cap space should allow us to resign the FAs we would like to resign (including Dunta...or just give him the tag).

If we get rid of Weaver, that should allow us to have the wiggle room to make the splash in FA that everyone seems to want us to make this season.

MannyFresh
02-10-2009, 09:46 PM
Green helped me in my Fantasy league when he was in Green Bay...but he was all but through when he came to town. Enjoy the money we gave you for the two seasons you did nothing.

Silver Oak
02-10-2009, 09:49 PM
Guess I gotta be the one to throw the cold water on everyone...but I hope Rick and Gary just don't throw money at "has beens" or "won't fits" in the offseason. If the right guys are there, then great, get it done, but I would hate to see them use the cap space just cause it's there.

I trust 'em to do the right thing even if Dick Justice doesn't.

Jackie Chiles
02-10-2009, 09:49 PM
What do you guys think of going after Bart Scott from the Ravens? He played next to Ray Lewis as a MLB in that 3-4 defense. I think he could play SAM here and push Diles for the starting spot.

I don't think he would push Diles for the starting job, I think it would be his the second he signed. Having said that I have no idea what kind of approach we will take in FA or what Scott will be looking for in terms of money or from the team. He would certainly help the D though.

Lucky
02-10-2009, 09:52 PM
This thread should have read: "Green-Greenwood-Weaver released!!!". I can't believe Kubiak & Smith are considering bringing Weaver back in 2009. What a waste of a roster spot.

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 10:05 PM
This thread should have read: "Green-Greenwood-Weaver released!!!". I can't believe Kubiak & Smith are considering bringing Weaver back in 2009. What a waste of a roster spot.

We only save $800,000 by cutting him. With as far as we are currently under the cap, Im curious to see what our new defensive system can get out of him

gtexan02
02-10-2009, 10:06 PM
Guess I gotta be the one to throw the cold water on everyone...but I hope Rick and Gary just don't throw money at "has beens" or "won't fits" in the offseason. If the right guys are there, then great, get it done, but I would hate to see them use the cap space just cause it's there.

I trust 'em to do the right thing even if Dick Justice doesn't.

I have a feeling we're going to get well under the cap and stay there. Economic situation being what it is, I feel like a lot of teams are going to follow baseballs example

Line_Producer
02-10-2009, 10:10 PM
I don't know or care what you just said just please enlarge your avatar.

Ask and ye shall recieve...

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PapaL
02-10-2009, 10:11 PM
I think we're getting way under the cap to make a run at LeBron. You see him in that commerical?

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/sarcasm.gif

steelbtexan
02-10-2009, 10:16 PM
Who do you think they will re-sign Papa L

LOL (thanks)

SteveSlaton20
02-10-2009, 11:14 PM
That's good news.

Greenwood hasn't done anything this season, and we already have a good RB, Steve Slaton.

Williams90
02-10-2009, 11:43 PM
That's very good news, Ahman Green never lived up to his contract and Greenwood was getting squeezed out of playing time by are younger linebackers. Hopefully these moves create some more cap space for the Texans to use for free agency.

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Brando
02-10-2009, 11:51 PM
...Why? So he can show perfect form and get run by?

I don't know, maybe with a new DB coach he can do something with Faggins. Some players excel in different schemes/systems and maybe Bush and the new DB coach will tell them to play the ball more instead of the WR. Who knows some of the times he was burned that it might have been the safeties responsibilty. I've been a critic of Petey but I think we should give him at least a look in mini and training camp/preseason to give him a chance. :twocents:

Lucky
02-10-2009, 11:55 PM
We only save $800,000 by cutting him. With as far as we are currently under the cap, Im curious to see what our new defensive system can get out of him

I don't know, maybe with a new DB coach he can do something with Faggins.
We're expecting a lot from Frank Bush and the modified defensive staff. Before trying to get production out of Weaver and Faggins, maybe they should start with something simpler. Like turning water into wine.

Brando
02-10-2009, 11:57 PM
Like turning water into wine.


Oh that's easy.

Signed,

Jesus

:cool:

wolf123
02-11-2009, 12:11 AM
I couldnt be happier. I have let my feelings be known about Greenwood for the last 3 years. In fact I never liked the guy. It does worry me though. This is a weak year for OLB's in the draft IMO. I really hope we dont reach for a guy like Cushing.

Not really sure why you think OLB's is a weak class when 5 LB's could be picked in the first round and I've heard several GM's say its the strength of the draft.

WolverineFan
02-11-2009, 12:20 AM
Ask and ye shall recieve...

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Mods, if this breaks any rules, please feel free to remove the image.

And there you go. Thanks for the help!

Goldensilence
02-11-2009, 12:29 AM
Very good news. I think we might be waiting on the draft and FA to see the Status of Anthony Weaver. IF they decide to go DE in the first 3 rounds or make a run at a guy like Betrand Berry the writing is on the wall for Weaver.

Great new on Greenwood. I like Ryans and Adibi(if we can keep him healthy this next season) as starters and I think Diles will be given a shot to start. I would've liked to see more of Thompson and Bentley played well enough in spot starts. Looks like we'll look at either FA or the draft to get our OLB.

I read the Jets are likely to pursue Bart Scott but with the space we might be able to make a run, Barton is likely to not be resigned, I've heard Boley's name thrown around here, and I am wondering about Dansby's future in Az.

Far as Ahman Green goes tough break for both sides on his health. Had he stayed healthy I think he could've given the staff a good boost. I really hope we go after or draft a RB that can split time with Slaton. Wouldn't mind keeping Moats around either as a 3rd or fourth guy.

Big Lou
02-11-2009, 12:55 AM
This extra cap space should allow us to resign the FAs we would like to resign (including Dunta...or just give him the tag).

If we get rid of Weaver, that should allow us to have the wiggle room to make the splash in FA that everyone seems to want us to make this season.

If we could get rid of Weaver some how with out cutting him, that would be HUGE!!!!!

We really could go after someone like that CB with the name I can't spell from Oakland. This isn't really the biggest area of need, but here's a guy that would be probably the surest thing in FA. He played for a crappy team and still played well. It's not like some of the other CB's in recent years that have been on good teams and then didn't work out on thier new team.

Although our track record with Oakland CB's is not anything to write home about.

mussop
02-11-2009, 07:34 AM
You have said this on a few postings, there are plenty of WILLs out there. Think round 3. How about moving a SS like Nic Harris to Will? That is a move I could get behind.

BTW here is a good list of the OLBs (http://www.gbnreport.com/2009prospects.html)

The only OLB's I really like in this draft are

Clay Matthews, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 246.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida
Height: 6-1. Weight: 244.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

I would actually like to draft either of them in the 3rd round. Other than those two its a very average class IMO. Like I said, I just hope that because it is a weak class that we dont reach early for one. On a side note I dont like drafting a player and moving him to a new postion before the 5th round. Its such a gamble and rarely works out its just not worth using an early pick.


Not really sure why you think OLB's is a weak class when 5 LB's could be picked in the first round and I've heard several GM's say its the strength of the draft.

No the strength of this draft is OL. As far as OLB's go there is some value in the later rounds (3 and later) but not alot of high end players and certainly not any that will be available at 15 worthy of that high of a pick.

mussop
02-11-2009, 07:38 AM
If we could get rid of Weaver some how with out cutting him, that would be HUGE!!!!!

:thinking: How about some full contact drills in minicamp! That might do the trick. :gun:

TimeKiller
02-11-2009, 08:37 AM
Clay Matthews in the 3rd?

Yes please.

whiskeyrbl
02-11-2009, 08:51 AM
Clay Matthews in the 3rd?

Yes please.

Don't think he will last till the 3rd, rumor has it he is shooting up the boards.

TimeKiller
02-11-2009, 09:28 AM
Hmmm....I guess I should've put that sarcasm guy up or somethin....

I didn't think he would last 'til the 3rd round either. Frankly, if we get one of the top DEs 1st, I wouldn't mind him as the 2nd pick if there's not a safety Smithiak is sold on available.

wolf123
02-11-2009, 09:38 AM
The only OLB's I really like in this draft are

Clay Matthews, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 246.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida
Height: 6-1. Weight: 244.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

I would actually like to draft either of them in the 3rd round. Other than those two its a very average class IMO. Like I said, I just hope that because it is a weak class that we dont reach early for one. On a side note I dont like drafting a player and moving him to a new postion before the 5th round. Its such a gamble and rarely works out its just not worth using an early pick.




No the strength of this draft is OL. As far as OLB's go there is some value in the later rounds (3 and later) but not alot of high end players and certainly not any that will be available at 15 worthy of that high of a pick.

Several GM's would disagree with you

Polo
02-11-2009, 09:39 AM
I'd like to go after Peppers now.

HOU-TEX
02-11-2009, 09:51 AM
Hmmm....I guess I should've put that sarcasm guy up or somethin....

I didn't think he would last 'til the 3rd round either. Frankly, if we get one of the top DEs 1st, I wouldn't mind him as the 2nd pick if there's not a safety Smithiak is sold on available.

Personally, I don't think there are any true 4-3 DE's worthy of our #15 pick. Mayock has Orakpo, Maybin and English listed as OLB's. Obviously for the 3-4 scheme.

Other than them we have Brown, Jackson, Johnson anf Kruger. Do any of them look good at 15? Not to me. I'll be praying for a trade back in the 1st round.

My .02

dalemurphy
02-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Clay Matthews in the 3rd?

Yes please.


I know there is a groundswell of support to go get an OLB in the draft. However, I like our guys and also like what we could do in FA at LB: guys like Dansby, Scott, A.Davis, Crowell, etc... are interesting options and I think LB is the one flooded position in FA this year.

Hervoyel
02-11-2009, 10:56 AM
I just want to know how you justify not drafting a linebacker named "Clay Matthews" when you can.

I know, I know. I'm sorry though. When I can get someone who shares even a little bit of "genetic material" with Bruce Matthews on my team I seriously consider it. That family produced some truly great football players.

Wolf
02-11-2009, 11:18 AM
I just want to know how you justify not drafting a linebacker named "Clay Matthews" when you can.

I know, I know. I'm sorry though. When I can get someone who shares even a little bit of "genetic material" with Bruce Matthews on my team I seriously consider it. That family produced some truly great football players.

that is what I thought lol. Bruce and Clay played alot of years in the league so there are some good genetics in that family tree

mussop
02-11-2009, 11:32 AM
Several GM's would disagree with you

about what? I think you are getting confused. You may also be considering the DE's that are being mentioned as 3/4 OLB's. I dont combine the two. To be more specific Im talking about OLB's that fit what the Texans are looking for. Not an impressive group at all. Not to me anyway.

drewmar74
02-11-2009, 12:25 PM
Schefter of NFLN speculating that the move to release Ahman and Morlon was done to free up cash for Dunta...

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/10/texans-saves-some-green-by-releasing-some/

Texans save some green by releasing some
Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Ahman Green, Houston Texans, Morlon Greenwood

Itís always about the green, especially in Houston.

When the Texans released RB Ahman Green and LB Morlon Greenwood on Tuesday, they saved themselves, fittingly, some green.

Cutting Green saves the Texans $3.93 million against the 2009 salary cap, and cutting Greenwood saves an additional $4.87 million against the cap. Together, Green and Greenwood will save the Texans a whopping $8.8 million against the cap ó money that could be used to signed prospective free-agent CB Dunta Robinson. Now that Green and Greenwood are gone, the savings kick in for Houston.

wolf123
02-11-2009, 12:42 PM
about what? I think you are getting confused. You may also be considering the DE's that are being mentioned as 3/4 OLB's. I dont combine the two. To be more specific Im talking about OLB's that fit what the Texans are looking for. Not an impressive group at all. Not to me anyway.

I've heard several GM's mention that OLB is the deepiest position in this years draft. Currey,Cushing, Laurinitis, Mathews and Sintim all have a shot at going in the first round and early 2nd. I'm not counting the DE's that everyone now want to just put as a 3/4 OLB.

gtexan02
02-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Maybe the Texans are interested in Greene from Iowa and didn't want two backs with similar last names...?

El Tejano
02-12-2009, 09:30 AM
Saw one of those Top 10 shows on NFL network. It was top 10 NFL families and they showed Bruce and Clay Matthews. Opponents were talking about how Clay Matthews knew the other teams plays and would call them. If his son could be anything like that I sure would like to have him on our team.