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Ole Miss Texan
02-07-2009, 11:31 AM
Okay to start off, I think everyone at first glance will completely squash the idea of Maclin in the 1st round. We all (myself especially) would rather see a defensive player at this spot since there are needs literally everywhere. However, the closer we get to the draft (still what... 77 days 1 hour 47 minutes and 51 seconds away but who's counting?)... the closer we get the more clear about which prospects have risen, which have dropped and everything becomes clear as mud. We're still a ways away but we're closer than we were last month.

So now that we have that out of the way, in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select Jeremy Maclin, Wide Receiver from Missouri. "Boooo" go the JETS fans, "Boooo" go the Texans fans, "What IDIOTS!!!" go the ESPN analysts. "I'm selling my season tickets!!!" go the Texans fans that don't actually sell their season tickets.

Here's my thinking on this. Our NEED positions while sitting at #15?
DE- All the top pass rushers are 3-4 OLBs with the "possibility" of being 4-3DE in the pros. Orakpo, Brown, Maybin, etc? Michael Johnson seems like the most protypical 4-3 DE to me but he has huge question marks. Not to mention most of these guys will be gone so even if one/two were available, he might not be "our guy" or a fit for our team.
DT- BJ Raji is pretty much a lock to be gone before us with all the 3-4 teams needing a NT. I think he'd be even better as a 4-3 NT but we won't get him. Peria Jerry is a possibility but isn't the run stuffing NT we all want.
OLB- Maualuga? could be available but probably gone. Aaron Curry- gone, Brian Cushing? Sounds great to me but there's huge question marks concerning his injuries and his obsessiveness with eating correctly and counting calories. As a scout told LZ, "I want a LB that will drink a beer and get in a fight." That's not Cushing.
CB- Malcolm Jenkins- gone. Vontae Davis? Maybe gone could be the pick here. Will Dunta come back?
S- doesn't look like a safety is worth this pick.
RB- Moreno is my guy, I don't like Wells
C/OG- not at 15.

Enter WR Jeremy Maclin. Kubiak loves playmakers and gamechangers. Think of him as a Bigger, Faster, Better Reggie Bush. Slaton is a runningback with a good ability to catch out of the backfield. Bush is more of a receiver that can line up in the backfield. Maclin is the same but a better WR, Slaton will stay in at RB. My thinking is there may not be a defensive player that will be better or do more for our team than Maclin. I think Kubiak will watch this kid and be floored. Please note that I love Andre and Walter. We will be running more 3 WR sets with AJ, KW and JM. Maclin will take over KR and PR duties- Jacoby is off the team. The possibilities with this kid are endless and will be the biggest playmaker in the draft, bar none. He kind of reminds me of Steve Smith from Carolina. Imagine Andre and Smith paired up with Walter being the possession WR!?

See videos below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI
and if you want really strange music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KChYRBnDCJ8&feature=related

Our offense will be so prolific it isn't even funny. We'll be able to score with any given snap of the ball. The only problem I see is that we'll score so fast, our defense won't have as much time to rest:) Oh yea another problem, Al Davis will take him at #7. Russell has a HUGE arm and Maclin can get downfield. He wants a playmaker to team up with McFadden.

Ole Miss Texan
02-07-2009, 11:33 AM
http://thehuddlereport.com/ppSD/protected/archive/2009DRAFT/PlayerProfiles/Jeremy.Maclin.htm



Jeremy Maclin WR/ST Missouri

STRENGTHS

Jeremy is an offensive coordinator's dream come true. He is an excellent WR with quickness, speed and the hands to catch the ball in hurricane-like winds. He is smart and understands situational football. He can read defense and runs excellent routes. He can beat man-to-man deep and is strong enough and quick enough to handle the bump and run. He is a very smart zone receiver and is a QB's best friend during a game. Jeremy can break the big play at anytime during a game and will come up with the big catch every time you need it during a game or to win a game. Add to this his ability to impact on special teams and you have a very special football player.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

As long as Jeremy keeps working as hard as he does right now, there is nothing he will not be able to accomplish on the football field. It's all up to him and there is no doubt in my mind that he will.

TALENT BOARD ROUND 1

There are a lot of good WR's in the draft and you have to rate Jeremy as one of the best or maybe the best. He is ready for the big time and his LTI (length to impact) is quicker or just as good as Crabtree's. If a team decides to pick him ahead of Crabtree, I would not be surprised. He is that good. If the Indianapolis Colts drafted this kid, he would make the fans forget Marvin Harrison. That's how good this kid can be. He is a different style WR than Crabtree, so he might fit a team better than Crabtree, which would be the difference. However, both players should be outstanding WR's for the teams that draft them. If I had to choose between them, I would pick the player who better fits the offense I run. Is it a run after the catch offense or more vertical or spread? That is the only way I could choose between them, but once I made the choice, I would never look back because both players are going to be impact franchise WR's for the teams that draft them. I call him Jeremy (Son of a B@#$%) Maclin because every time Jeremy makes a play the opposing coach will be saying "Son of a B@#$%!" as Jeremy scores

Ole Miss Texan
02-07-2009, 12:22 PM
And here's how I would make this work out.

Free Agency- re-sign Dunta. Pick up FA NT/DT (Bernard, Cody, Haye, etc)and OLB (Dansby-may get tagged?, Boley is RFA?, can Bart Scott be a SLB?) Pick up a DT and OLB roughly equivalent factor of like a Kevin Bentley signing.

1st round- Jeremy Maclin - WR - Mizzou (6'1, 200 lbs) - playmaker, takes offense from #3 to #1 elite
2nd round- Sean Smith - S/CB - Utah (6'3, 214 lbs) - versatile DB, can take over safety and is able to cover
3rd round- Elvis Dumervil - trade 3rd rounder for pass rushing terror Doom - there will be no better prospect available. Elvis will be able to get after the QB on day 1 better than any player we could select in the draft, is only 25 years old
4th round-7th rounds- Look for RB to pair with Slaton (Gartrell Johnson, James Davis, Andre Brown, Rashad Jennings, Jerimiah Johnson, Kory Sheets, Chris Ogbanaya, Marlon Lucky). Also look for C/OG depth, as well as defensive depth and potential.

Offense:
QB- Schaub, Rosenfels
RB- Slaton, Moats, Rookie(G. Johnson- Col. St.)
FB- Leach, Sapp
TE- Daniels, Dreesen
WRs- Andre, Walter, Maclin, Davis, Anderson
OT- Brown, Winston, Butler, Salaam
OG- Pitts, Brisiel, Studdard, Rookie
C- Myers, White

Defense:
DE- Mario, Dumervil, Weaver?, Bulman, Nading
DT- Okoye, Free Agent, TJ, D. Robinson, F. Okam
LB- Demeco, Adibi, Bentley, Free Agent, Diles, Coley
CB- Dunta, Reeves, Bennett, Molden, Faggins
S- Sean Smith, Wilson, Ferguson, Barber, Harrison

Special Teams:
K- Kris Brown
P- Matt Turk (or pick up Shane Lechler)
LS- Brian Pittman
KR/PR- Jeremy Maclin (both), Andre Davis (KR only)

V3rm0nt3r
02-07-2009, 01:32 PM
dude... you just conducted your own funeral...

Ole Miss Texan
02-07-2009, 02:14 PM
dude... you just conducted your own funeral...

I'm tired of the same song second verse in talking about what we need to do with our 1st this year. Time to spice things up a bit.

I'm pretty sure I put ligher fluid on my casket too ;)

Ckw
02-07-2009, 02:58 PM
And here's how I would make this work out.

Free Agency- re-sign Dunta. Pick up FA NT/DT (Bernard, Cody, Haye, etc)and OLB (Dansby-may get tagged?, Boley is RFA?, can Bart Scott be a SLB?) Pick up a DT and OLB roughly equivalent factor of like a Kevin Bentley signing.

1st round- Jeremy Maclin - WR - Mizzou (6'1, 200 lbs) - playmaker, takes offense from #3 to #1 elite
2nd round- Sean Smith - S/CB - Utah (6'3, 214 lbs) - versatile DB, can take over safety and is able to cover
3rd round- Elvis Dumervil - trade 3rd rounder for pass rushing terror Doom - there will be no better prospect available. Elvis will be able to get after the QB on day 1 better than any player we could select in the draft, is only 25 years old
4th round-7th rounds- Look for RB to pair with Slaton (Gartrell Johnson, James Davis, Andre Brown, Rashad Jennings, Jerimiah Johnson, Kory Sheets, Chris Ogbanaya, Marlon Lucky). Also look for C/OG depth, as well as defensive depth and potential.

Offense:
QB- Schaub, Rosenfels
RB- Slaton, Moats, Rookie(G. Johnson- Col. St.)
FB- Leach, Sapp
TE- Daniels, Dreesen
WRs- Andre, Walter, Maclin, Davis, Anderson
OT- Brown, Winston, Butler, Salaam
OG- Pitts, Brisiel, Studdard, Rookie
C- Myers, White

Defense:
DE- Mario, Dumervil, Weaver?, Bulman, Nading
DT- Okoye, Free Agent, TJ, D. Robinson, F. Okam
LB- Demeco, Adibi, Bentley, Free Agent, Diles, Coley
CB- Dunta, Reeves, Bennett, Molden, Faggins
S- Sean Smith, Wilson, Ferguson, Barber, Harrison

Special Teams:
K- Kris Brown
P- Matt Turk (or pick up Shane Lechler)
LS- Brian Pittman
KR/PR- Jeremy Maclin (both), Andre Davis (KR only)

IF we got all these guys, I love your pick. But I just don't see it happening. Maclin would be fun to watch there is no doubt about it.

mussop
02-07-2009, 03:49 PM
dude... you just conducted your own funeral...

Posted this in another thread, fits better here.


I dont know guys. I could see us drafting Maclin in the 1st. Dont want it but could see it happening. Remember there were reports that Ted Gin Jr was our guy but the Dolphins beat us to him the year we drafted Okoye. In 2002 Denver drafted Ashley Lelie (a speedy WR similar to Maclin) while they already had Pro bowler Rod Smith and a solid #2 WR in Ed McCaffrey. This is while Kubiack and Smith were there. So dont be so quick to mock the mocks that dont follow YOURE guidlines. What we want as fans isnt necesarilly what Smithiack wants.

AND

Well how about a report from LZ.

After my last entry regarding Michael Crabtree, the topic of whether or not the Texans should consider drafting a WR in the first round was raised in the comments section.

To answer this question for the Texans or any team, you have to first assess the group of wide receivers in terms of talent and their contract status:

• Andre Johnson is a stud and is locked up as your #1 WR.

• Kevin Walter is a very capable #2 who is also active in the Texans run blocking for the zone scheme. He has one year left on his deal, but the Texans will probably extend him.

• David Anderson showed he was a decent slot WR, but he lacks vertical speed and is on the small side. He is not a lock to be a #3 WR in the league, but will do what you ask of him. He might be a better #4 WR who gets on the field in certain packages.

• Andre' Davis was a disappointment this year, but readers know that I was not a big fan of what the Texans paid for him. Davis had 13 catches and was not a game-breaker as a kick returner like he was in 2007. He could be replaced, but with a mid-round draft pick. Davis' signing bonus makes it more expensive to cut him than to keep him at this point.

• Jacoby Jones showed game-changing ability in the punt return game, but was not a factor as a WR. He's getting paid too much to just be a punt returner.

In conclusion: Are the Texans in desperate need of a #1 WR? No. Are they in desperate need of a #2 WR? No. Could the Texans use another quality WR with speed who can also return punts or kicks? Yes. The player who fits into this mold is Jeremy Maclin from Missouri. While I'm not saying he will be a priority, he is the type of WR the Texans could take a look at as a surprise first-round pick thanks to his abilities in the return game.

So if we cant trade down (very good chance we wont be able) and all the impact D players are gone (likely) Then I could easily see Maclin as BPA. In this case I would take him without hesitation.

stingray
02-07-2009, 03:55 PM
This seven round mock actually have us taking him.. But they have us taking mostly defense the rest of the way.

http://www.nfldraftsite.com/

1. Jeremy Maclin** WR 6'0" 198 Missouri
2. Paul Kruger** DE 6'5" 265 Utah
3. Nic Harris S 6'3" 224 Oklahoma
4. Brandon Underwood CB 6'1" 189 Cincinnati
5. Rhett Bomar QB 6'2" 216 Sam Houston State
6. Jonathan Casillas OLB 6'1" 226 Wisconsin
7. George Hypolite DT 6'1" 285 Colorado

Maddict5
02-07-2009, 03:59 PM
il pass.. nothing against maclin but walter is more than adequate as a 2nd wr.

i think id nearly garuntee right now that one of maybin, everette brown or orakpo will land at 15 and we'll take them. it's the only play im seeing right now where need meets value bar a trade down for a safety etc.

im pretty confident dunta will be back so we wont go corner.

we wont go LB imo because they like our 3 guys right now and diles is looking at an early return (plus bentley is a fine backup).. might pick one up later but not at 15

right now theres not a safety worth pick 15

we're not going with one of the LT's and moving duane :rolleyes:

i dont think theres a C/G worth 15 but this may be an option if some prospect emerges

raji is the only NT worth 15 and he'll be gone

and we're not going to go skill position at 15 either leaving DE as the only option

nunusguy
02-07-2009, 04:01 PM
I could see this scenario with us picking Robert Ayers or Paul krueger, both
4-3 DEs, in the second round.
If MacClin is on the Board at #15 he very likely would be the BPA.
For a comparable I'd look to Ted Ginn with Miami.

Maddict5
02-07-2009, 04:10 PM
Remember there were reports that Ted Gin Jr was our guy but the Dolphins beat us to him the year we drafted Okoye. In 2002 Denver drafted Ashley Lelie (a speedy WR similar to Maclin) while they already had Pro bowler Rod Smith and a solid #2 WR in Ed McCaffrey. This is while Kubiack and Smith were there.

Kevin Walter is a very capable #2 who is also active in the Texans run blocking for the zone scheme. He has one year left on his deal, but the Texans will probably extend him.



Jacoby Jones showed game-changing ability in the punt return game, but was not a factor as a WR. He's getting paid too much to just be a punt returner.


yeah that 3rd rd pick is really tying up our cap :rolleyes:

we may have been looking at ginn but that was before we realised what we had with walter. we werent looking at a wr last yr and we wont be again this year

mccaffrey was old. lelie was brought in to replace him. walter has alot of football left in him. thats why we wont be taking a wr right there.

and while we dont have any set no.3 thats really because we dont use that much 3 wr sets compared to alot of teams (another reason we wont take him).. and all the other guys come up with plays when they're needed.. AD (v miami), DA (v GB)

Ole Miss Texan
02-07-2009, 04:14 PM
Ted Ginn Jr. is a good comparison too. But Maclin's size (6'1, 200lbs) makes me like him that much more vs. Ginn (5'11, 180 lbs).

Dumervil trade is highly unlikely, just a fantasy of mine. Ayers or Krueger would be excellent picks in the 2nd round in that situation.

I think Maclin is a guy that forces you to have 3 WR sets more.

Maddict5
02-07-2009, 04:19 PM
Ted Ginn Jr. is a good comparison too. But Maclin's size (6'1, 200lbs) makes me like him that much more vs. Ginn (5'11, 180 lbs).

Dumervil trade is highly unlikely, just a fantasy of mine. Ayers or Krueger would be excellent picks in the 2nd round in that situation.

I think Maclin is a guy that forces you to have 3 WR sets more.

dumervil does look unlikely given he seems to fit the 3-4 mold also but what about the guy he splitting time with jarvis moss? he seemed like a pretty good rusher coming out of college. got injured. also vernon gholston who seems to be a bad fit for the jets 3-4 (although his contract probably means hes untradeable). they're 2 guys id trade a 3rd to see what they could do in some new scenery (if this were madden)

mussop
02-07-2009, 04:33 PM
yeah that 3rd rd pick is really tying up our cap :rolleyes:

we may have been looking at ginn but that was before we realised what we had with walter. we werent looking at a wr last yr and we wont be again this year

mccaffrey was old. lelie was brought in to replace him. walter has alot of football left in him. thats why we wont be taking a wr right there.

and while we dont have any set no.3 thats really because we dont use that much 3 wr sets compared to alot of teams (another reason we wont take him).. and all the other guys come up with plays when they're needed.. AD (v miami), DA (v GB)

3rd round money for someone who does nothing else but return punts is too much.

Ok name any WR from last years draft that is comparible to Maclin.

The1ApplePie
02-07-2009, 04:39 PM
If Orakpo is gone and Rey Rey is too, I would just take Maclin. No defensive player we need is worth a top 20 pick

Maybin and Brown are pass rush specialists, not guys that can hold down the end.

Maddict5
02-07-2009, 05:30 PM
3rd round money for someone who does nothing else but return punts is too much.

Ok name any WR from last years draft that is comparible to Maclin.


we're paying guys alot more to just stand on the sidelines...

off the top of my head.. desean jackson, donnie avery, eddie royal, dexter jackson

Maddict5
02-07-2009, 05:32 PM
If Orakpo is gone and Rey Rey is too, I would just take Maclin. No defensive player we need is worth a top 20 pick

Maybin and Brown are pass rush specialists, not guys that can hold down the end.

i think both could be everydown 4-3 de's.. brown sooner than maybin. we need pass rushers with explosive 1st steps not more strongside de's

Brandon420tx
02-07-2009, 08:45 PM
I would not mind, but with all things it depends on whos there. If it came between Maclin and reaching for a defensive player, I'd take Maclin

mussop
02-08-2009, 03:23 AM
we're paying guys alot more to just stand on the sidelines...


Yep and if we can upgrade them in the draft we should.

off the top of my head.. desean jackson, donnie avery, eddie royal, dexter jackson

None of the players you mention were in the same class as Maclin at this point in his career. If they were they would of been picked in the first round.

mussop
02-08-2009, 03:26 AM
I would not mind, but with all things it depends on whos there. If it came between Maclin and reaching for a defensive player, I'd take Maclin

Exactly! We cant afford to reach on a player with our first pick. We need quality production from that spot. If we cant trade down and all the impact D players are gone why not upgrade the O? Thats all Im sayin.

otisbean
02-08-2009, 09:28 AM
I love Maclin, as others have said if the defensive talent we need isn't there I would grab him, it would be really sweet if we could trade down and grab him.

Not to highjack the thread, but another interesting offensive pick would be Pettigrew. Daniels is a stud, but Pettigrew is a better inline blocker. He would give us tremendous flexibility in the running game. We would have an awesome two TE set, with two outstanding receiving TEs. Additionally you could move OD to the slot, ala Dallas Clark, and create nightmare match ups for opposing Ds. Pettigrew, I feel, would substantially help our offense, perhaps more then Maclin, as he would give a big boost to our running game while adding a pass catching threat to the mix as well.

Maddict5
02-08-2009, 11:20 AM
None of the players you mention were in the same class as Maclin at this point in his career. If they were they would of been picked in the first round.

...because nfl gm's always pick the best guys in the first round?:rolleyes: so what has maclin done that desean jackson hasnt?

V3rm0nt3r
02-08-2009, 12:02 PM
None of the players you mention were in the same class as Maclin at this point in his career. If they were they would of been picked in the first round.

it's not like they weren't expected to go in the first. Devin Thomas was mocked at 11 to Buffalo. Jackson was expected to go to Philly in the first (rather than 2nd) and it's not like this draft isn't deep. i know you might not agree with the order but just look at some of the names.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2009WR.php

Aaron Kelly in the 5th? Smith isn't looking for a number 1-2 receiver. he'll be going after a possible number 3 after JJ and AD tanked this year. Quan Cosby (round 7) can return punts and if he's sold on Anderson becoming a number 3 then he might take a look at him.

Ole Miss Texan
02-08-2009, 12:31 PM
I'd take Maclin over any WR in this draft or last draft. Obviously he's not a need but if we add him, I'd say we would have the best WR group of the NFL, especially for their age.

Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Jeremy Maclin
Andre Davis
David Anderson
Jacoby Jones

nunusguy
02-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Let me throw in another factor which would play into a decision to draft or not draft MacClin in the event he is on the Board for us: Owen Daniels.
As we know OD, who has become a valuable part of the Texans offensive arsenal, is appearing in his first PB this afternoon and if we acquire another WR who's importance and investment for the Texans would approach that of AJ, it would represent just that much more air that is taken from the room of air available for our pass receivers to operate in of which OD is a member.

False Start
02-08-2009, 01:05 PM
I just watched some of his highlights on Youtube, and WOW......... this kid is a hell of an athlete. I would rather go defense in the 1st round, but if Maclin is available, I wouldn't be too upset if we took him. :cool:

Ole Miss Texan
02-08-2009, 02:50 PM
Let me throw in another factor which would play into a decision to draft or not draft MacClin in the event he is on the Board for us: Owen Daniels.
As we know OD, who has become a valuable part of the Texans offensive arsenal, is appearing in his first PB this afternoon and if we acquire another WR who's importance and investment for the Texans would approach that of AJ, it would represent just that much more air that is taken from the room of air available for our pass receivers to operate in of which OD is a member.

I can see Maclin as being the viable deep threat that would help out AJ out a lot. Having AJ and Maclin both out there would probably mean BOTH safeties would have to play back, in which case the middle of the field may be MORE open for Daniels and Walter. As OLBs cover one or two of them or drop in coverage, it could open up dump offs to Slaton.

Goldensilence
02-08-2009, 09:59 PM
I can see Maclin as being the viable deep threat that would help out AJ out a lot. Having AJ and Maclin both out there would probably mean BOTH safeties would have to play back, in which case the middle of the field may be MORE open for Daniels and Walter. As OLBs cover one or two of them or drop in coverage, it could open up dump offs to Slaton.

One thing I'd like to add is last year was pretty much the first year AJ's been healthy all year. This offense goes with AJ more or less. Thing that is intriguing about Maclin is if AJ goes down we have someone with the talent to step in and still be an all around threat.

infantrycak
02-08-2009, 10:16 PM
One thing I'd like to add is last year was pretty much the first year AJ's been healthy all year.

AJ has been healthy and started 16 of 16 games four of his six years in the league. He missed 3 games in 2005 and 7 in 2007.

Texan in Japan
02-09-2009, 12:48 AM
Interesting scenario. I'm a BPA kinda guy and if we stay at 15 or move back, then taking BPA is still what I'd prefer we do.

2 points...

If Macklin is this good, he might not make it to 15. Several teams before us need playmakers (SEA, CLEV, CIN, OAK, JAX, SF & BUFF) and could select Crabtree and Macklin.

In fact, if both QBs, these wides, 3-4 OL and possibly one RB or TE go in the first 14 picks, then we might have a decent shot at one of the stud defensive players.

Good discussion thread...thanks!

nunusguy
02-09-2009, 08:00 AM
If Macklin is this good, he might not make it to 15. Several teams before us need playmakers (SEA, CLEV, CIN, OAK, JAX, SF & BUFF) and could select Crabtree and Macklin.

I'm very skeptical that he makes it to 15. One position where pure sprint speed is very important is WR, and I could see this guy knocking-out a very fast 40 at Indy this month. I'm not gonna be surprised if he goes off of the Board before Crabtree because he's faster than the TT receiver.
Also, this years Draft is shaping up to be a very weak one so that's a factor that will boost MacClins relative value even faster.
I'm a Mizzou fan and watched their games over the last 2 years every chance I got, and while safety Moore and QB Daniels NFL expectations dropped last fall as fast as our domestic economy did, MacClin held steady
with another impressive year.

El Tejano
02-09-2009, 08:25 AM
Everytime I saw Maclin play, he got hurt.

YoungTexanFan
02-09-2009, 10:37 AM
I'm a Mizzou fan

I'm so sorry.

Goldensilence
02-09-2009, 11:54 AM
AJ has been healthy and started 16 of 16 games four of his six years in the league. He missed 3 games in 2005 and 7 in 2007.

Let me rephrase it. First time in the past 2 year he's been fully healthy ALL season. I'm not insinuating he's injury prone but the offense has a significant drop off without him in the lineup. I like having Walter as our #2 and he's really developed the past 2 years. We got lucky Andre Davis stepped up and in while AJ went down, not sure where he stands after last year. I'm not real sure where Jones stands right now as I've said in prior postings. He's like Mathis in the sense great ST returner but he's not developing as a WR where we need him to. Everyone likes to cheer for David Anderson but I'd prefer a more complete WR to take the slot. If I remember right we have some interesting prospects on the PS. Could be an interesting TC for WR spots this year.

Maclin is a good prospect and would add another dimension to the offense but like everyone else I'm thinking there's better value taking a defensive player or seeing if we we can engineer another trade down.

beerlover
02-09-2009, 12:01 PM
I'm so sorry.

:heh:

threetoedpete
02-10-2009, 08:39 AM
Just Speculating here....but part of the problem with the WR corp last year was that Andre Davis got dinged. That was always the frustration with him and why we got him on the cheap. He's going to get dinged. Pretty much in agreement with the statements on Jacboy Jones. My two negatives on Macklin are that there will be a learning curve for this guy too. From what I've seen so far he is not locked and loaded for a September start. As far as a long term guy, y'all are probably correct. If they had a couple of years to groom him.....and you were ready to cut ties with J.J., I could see it. But for better or worse, that guy , the one who keeps defenses honest when they double A.J. currently is Andre Davis.
So you're drafting another guy to do a part...which will make three....for two roster spots. So you'd have Davis and Macklin competing for how many targets in 09 ? Last time I checked, Davis isn't dead yet. The finger is healed and he should be locked and loaded in September. The only two things I'm looking at at receiver is a back up for Owen Daniels.....and one of these 6'2" + 205 pound WCO guys they can take late and stash on the PS in August in case of a worse case scenario. The board is loaded with them. Every round all week end long.

http://www.draftstock.com/site_main/content/view/123/40/

Ole Miss Texan
02-10-2009, 09:58 AM
Just Speculating here....but part of the problem with the WR corp last year was that Andre Davis got dinged. That was always the frustration with him and why we got him on the cheap. He's going to get dinged. Pretty much in agreement with the statements on Jacboy Jones. My two negatives on Macklin are that there will be a learning curve for this guy too. From what I've seen so far he is not locked and loaded for a September start. As far as a long term guy, y'all are probably correct. If they had a couple of years to groom him.....and you were ready to cut ties with J.J., I could see it. But for better or worse, that guy , the one who keeps defenses honest when they double A.J. currently is Andre Davis.
So you're drafting another guy to do a part...which will make three....for two roster spots. So you'd have Davis and Macklin competing for how many targets in 09 ? Last time I checked, Davis isn't dead yet. The finger is healed and he should be locked and loaded in September. The only two things I'm looking at at receiver is a back up for Owen Daniels.....and one of these 6'2" + 205 pound WCO guys they can take late and stash on the PS in August in case of a worse case scenario. The board is loaded with them. Every round all week end long.

http://www.draftstock.com/site_main/content/view/123/40/

You got some good points pete. Jacoby came in as a rookie and caught 15 passes (not sure how many were thrown his way) and returned like 30 punts. Andre Davis had 33 receptions during 2007 (Jacoby's rookie season). I could see Maclin getting more receptions his rookie season than Jacoby did but probably less than Davis. At the same time, that was the year AJ lost significant time due to his injury and Davis stepped it up.

With a healthy AJ and K-Dub you'd think those passes would be cut down than they were in 2007. Davis was hurt last year, seems Kubiak didn't like having Jacoby out there at WR (3 receptions) but David Anderson stepped up as the #3 WR and had 19 receptions. That's with AJ and KW having very successful years. I see Maclin as a better WR right now than Anderson so I don't see why he wouldn't get say 20 receptions and would be more of a home run threat, as well as take over all punt return duties.

PHAROAH
02-10-2009, 10:19 AM
This seven round mock actually have us taking him.. But they have us taking mostly defense the rest of the way.

http://www.nfldraftsite.com/

1. Jeremy Maclin** WR 6'0" 198 Missouri
2. Paul Kruger** DE 6'5" 265 Utah
3. Nic Harris S 6'3" 224 Oklahoma
4. Brandon Underwood CB 6'1" 189 Cincinnati
5. Rhett Bomar QB 6'2" 216 Sam Houston State
6. Jonathan Casillas OLB 6'1" 226 Wisconsin
7. George Hypolite DT 6'1" 285 Colorado

Not bad at all especially if we sign a free agent like Safety O.J. Atogwe and OLB Leroy Hill this would be ok with me.

El Tejano
02-10-2009, 10:31 AM
Let me rephrase it. First time in the past 2 year he's been fully healthy ALL season. I'm not insinuating he's injury prone but the offense has a significant drop off without him in the lineup. I like having Walter as our #2 and he's really developed the past 2 years. We got lucky Andre Davis stepped up and in while AJ went down, not sure where he stands after last year. I'm not real sure where Jones stands right now as I've said in prior postings. He's like Mathis in the sense great ST returner but he's not developing as a WR where we need him to. Everyone likes to cheer for David Anderson but I'd prefer a more complete WR to take the slot. If I remember right we have some interesting prospects on the PS. Could be an interesting TC for WR spots this year.

Maclin is a good prospect and would add another dimension to the offense but like everyone else I'm thinking there's better value taking a defensive player or seeing if we we can engineer another trade down.

I actually posted something a while back about the exact same thing you are saying. I mentioned that our offense has been great lately but a large deal of that is due to the surgence of Andre Johnson coming along as the leagues best WR. There is a great risk in knowing that if Andre goes down, our offense could suffer. Not because of Walter and Davis not being any good but because of what it does to the rest of our depth at WR.

Like you, I also don't want to address WR in round 1 unless a guy like Michael Crabtree fell to us (IMO, you can't pass up that kind of talent).

All this being said, I would rather take a late round chance on a guy like Jarret Dillard from Rice University. The kid was one of the nation's leaders at WR for a crummy Rice team, he has all the measurables you want in a WR, and he has very good hands. To me he would help our depth needs at WR position without hurting our chances of getting a more elite type player at need positions.

mussop
02-10-2009, 10:59 AM
All this being said, I would rather take a late round chance on a guy like Jarret Dillard from Rice University. The kid was one of the nation's leaders at WR for a crummy Rice team, he has all the measurables you want in a WR, and he has very good hands. To me he would help our depth needs at WR position without hurting our chances of getting a more elite type player at need positions.


I like Dillard also but I wouldnt say at 5'11" 168 lbs he has all the measurables you want in a WR.

Insideop
02-10-2009, 01:16 PM
All this being said, I would rather take a late round chance on a guy like Jarret Dillard from Rice University. The kid was one of the nation's leaders at WR for a crummy Rice team, he has all the measurables you want in a WR, and he has very good hands. To me he would help our depth needs at WR position without hurting our chances of getting a more elite type player at need positions.

This was probably the best Rice team they've had in decades. They actually went to, and won, a bowl game!

As for Dillard, he would be a good late round pick up along the lines of David Anderson. He's about the same size too (Dillard, 5'11" 182 lbs, and Anderson, 5'10" 194 lbs). We'll see how well Dillard does at the Combine or Pro-Day, but he is thought to be on the slow side (4.51 in the 40). WalterFootball projects him to go in the 4th or 5th round. Anderson was drafted in the 7th and probably wouldn't have been drafted at all if he hadn't played with Kubes' son at Colorado St.

El Tejano
02-10-2009, 02:35 PM
This was probably the best Rice team they've had in decades. They actually went to, and won, a bowl game!

As for Dillard, he would be a good late round pick up along the lines of David Anderson. He's about the same size too (Dillard, 5'11" 182 lbs, and Anderson, 5'10" 194 lbs). We'll see how well Dillard does at the Combine or Pro-Day, but he is thought to be on the slow side (4.51 in the 40). WalterFootball projects him to go in the 4th or 5th round. Anderson was drafted in the 7th and probably wouldn't have been drafted at all if he hadn't played with Kubes' son at Colorado St.

Don't get me wrong, Rice had a good year. They gave Texas some problems. However, Dillard was probably the reason for any success that Rice had. You don't have to be fast to be a good receiver in the NFL, you have to run great routes. Dillard does that, plus he's got some good hands.

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2009, 10:19 AM
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/falcons/stories/2009/02/22/nfl_maclin_combine.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21

Maclin, running a deep fade pattern during Sunday’s NFL scouting combine, tried adjusting to an underthrown pass from quarterback Jason Boltus of Hartwick College and tumbled to the turf at Lucas Oil Stadium. He didn’t get up for several minutes and had to be assisted off the field.

Maclin said he suffered a hyperextended left knee, but the most pain came from the right hip on which he landed. After receiving treatment while sitting on a table, he returned to the pass-receiving drills and hauled in a pass on a deep down-and-out pattern. But Maclin still walked gingerly back to his group of receivers.

“I’m doing well,” Maclin said Sunday evening. “I’m hurting a little bit from the spill I took. I basically outran the throw. I tried to plant and come back and took a little spill and kind of hyperextended my left knee and fell on my right side.”

Though lost dollar signs didn’t flash before his eyes, Maclin was determined to run his last pattern.

“I had to get back out there,” said Maclin, considered the second-best receiver in the draft. “It was one of the biggest days of my life.

“You’ve got to stay healthy. That’s the one of the NFL’s biggest questions, durability. I’ve never missed a game. I’m still in good shape.

“Other than that, I ran routes pretty well, I didn’t drop a ball. I feel good… . I’m a little disappointed in my 40 time.”

Earlier in the morning, Maclin ran unofficial times of 4.34 and 4.4 in the 40-yard dash, a tad slower than the 4.29 he had hoped to run.

“It was one of those days,” Maclin said. “That’s why I have pro day on March 5, to make it better.”

Hopefully it's nothing serious. I like this kid's attitude.

beerlover
02-24-2009, 10:36 AM
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/falcons/stories/2009/02/22/nfl_maclin_combine.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21



Hopefully it's nothing serious. I like this kid's attitude.

many players run faster on their pro days, can't remember who said it but they suggested a prospect runs about at tenth to a tenth & half faster which drops him to expected range- sub 4.3 :)

the trick to the combine is how does he relate to the group? is he best of the best, in this case he is not but still pretty darn good. I don't see teams reaching for a WR early with a decent crop going mostly in the 2nd. linemen, linebackers & corners will all go early :shades:

The1ApplePie
02-24-2009, 09:18 PM
Would love the kid at 15, unless Crabtree somehow falls

Jackie Chiles
02-24-2009, 10:19 PM
Would love the kid at 15, unless Crabtree somehow falls

You love those WRs more than Matt Millen.

Sal Rosenberg
02-24-2009, 10:20 PM
This guy is a total stud.I would still take Peria Jerry

The1ApplePie
03-08-2009, 03:43 PM
You love those WRs more than Matt Millen.

Outside QB, the most important things are:

1. Pass Rusher
2. Pass Protector
3. Offensive Playmaker

By No. 15 all the good pass rushers will be gone, as will the linemen. I don't see why we don't just take Maclin, since the secondary in this draft is God awful

bah007
03-08-2009, 04:51 PM
Outside QB, the most important things are:

1. Pass Rusher
2. Pass Protector
3. Offensive Playmaker

By No. 15 all the good pass rushers will be gone, as will the linemen. I don't see why we don't just take Maclin, since the secondary in this draft is God awful

CB's aren't important anymore?

I disagree. Besides QB, I would say that most teams value positions in this order:

1. Pass Protector (LT)
2. Pass Rusher (RDE)
3. Shutdown Corner (usually plays RCB)

The1ApplePie
03-08-2009, 07:24 PM
CB's aren't important anymore?

I disagree. Besides QB, I would say that most teams value positions in this order:

1. Pass Protector (LT)
2. Pass Rusher (RDE)
3. Shutdown Corner (usually plays RCB)

There is only one good CB in this draft (Jenkins) and he will be gone.

I think the Broncos figured out that you need a pass rush to make a shutdown CB effective

threetoedpete
03-09-2009, 02:18 AM
Outside QB, the most important things are:

1. Pass Rusher
2. Pass Protector
3. Offensive Playmaker

By No. 15 all the good pass rushers will be gone, as will the linemen. I don't see why we don't just take Maclin, since the secondary in this draft is God awful

1. Get the quarterback
2. Protect the quarterback

3. Defend the quarter back....

corners are making what they are making for a reason. Agreed, with no play makers, it makes it much more difficult to have much offensive cohesiveness. On the one hand you have a middle of the road CB making 28 Million guaranteed for the first two years....and the Bolts are contemplating cutting Ladainian and his 21 million dollar contract. Dallas just dumped T.O.

If that were true we wouldn't have Erick Winston nor Demeeco Ryans on the squad. the flip side of that of course is: Robert Ayers falls to the fifteen, and he is exactly what they are looking for opposite Mario....go ahead and take him. A twenty three year old learnig for a twenty seven year old.

threetoedpete
03-09-2009, 02:25 AM
There is only one good CB in this draft (Jenkins) and he will be gone.

I think the Broncos figured out that you need a pass rush to make a shutdown CB effective

The only one you feel comfortable with....there are a pile of corners in the group. shut down Corners....No Reves or McKelvins in this class it looks like. No Dejion Sanders...

But we have four...

Reeves, Bennit, Molden and Robinson. and you're going to be amazed how much better they preform with better pressure. And Molden just might turn out better than anything they could draft this year. Including Jenkins.