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Texans34Life
02-04-2009, 12:08 PM
How about we get this guy to be the bruiser behind Slaton? Mendenhall is going to be coming back for Pittsburgh and he's going to lose playing time there. He produced pretty well when Parker was out.

I know he signed a 3-year, 4.95 mil contract last year, but could we still get him?

IlliniJen
02-04-2009, 12:10 PM
Man, good thought. Maybe trade a late round pick?

I have been a believer in Moore since he was in Minny, and could never really understand why he didn't get more of a shot. He was great when Fast Willie was out this year. What's the deal with this guy? Shoot him down and school me on why he was always a back up.

mattieuk
02-04-2009, 01:13 PM
Man, good thought. Maybe trade a late round pick?

I have been a believer in Moore since he was in Minny, and could never really understand why he didn't get more of a shot. He was great when Fast Willie was out this year. What's the deal with this guy? Shoot him down and school me on why he was always a back up.

I quite like the idea of that, he's not had a massive NFL battering. I wouldn't mind giving up a 4th to 5th rounder for him to be honest, from what I've seen of him, he looks like he could be a good person to split some carries with Stevie, and he's not going to be getting a 2nd running back role next year with the Steelers, I don't think.

Mr teX
02-04-2009, 01:25 PM
I'd been thinking that he was gonna become available at some point early next year once mendenhall comes back healthy. I also doubt the steelers keep 4 rb's next year & it's likely going to come down to He or Russell & either would be just fine as the bruiser/short yardage back behind Slaton imo.

parker -starter
Mendenhall - backup
Russell - short yardage guy
Moore - ?


I don't see where Moore fits in unless 1 of those guys go down early in the offseason/preseason.

Goldensilence
02-04-2009, 01:30 PM
I'd also be interested in seeing what it would take for Oakland to let go of Micheal Bush. Wouldn't be opposed to Moore and that MIGHT let us take someone else this year instead of a RB in our top 3 picks. Moore, while not as explosive as Steve could step in as a starter and keep the running game consistent.

Texans34Life
02-04-2009, 01:39 PM
I'm sorry I have to ask this, but why was the thread moved here? I set it up where it was pertaining the Texans.....a feature back who could be a fit for us.

Just curious....

IlliniJen
02-04-2009, 01:42 PM
I'm sorry I have to ask this, but why was the thread moved here? I set it up where it was pertaining the Texans.....a feature back who could be a fit for us.

Just curious....

I was wondering about that myself. I can only assume an admin didn't read the content of the post.

Goldensilence
02-04-2009, 01:43 PM
I'm sorry I have to ask this, but why was the thread moved here? I set it up where it was pertaining the Texans.....a feature back who could be a fit for us.

Just curious....

Since Moore is with another team and there is no real talks about it I am assuming that is why they moved it here.

mancunian
02-06-2009, 08:38 AM
How about Kevin Jones? He was a first round pick for the Lions, still only 26 and was used sparingly by the Bears last year. He had serious injury the year before that though.

Kaiser Toro
02-06-2009, 08:45 AM
Since Moore is with another team and there is no real talks about it I am assuming that is why they moved it here.

Correct.

Should there be an article, not a blog, reporting that the Texans are involved with talks with a FA, then the thread would be in the Texans Talk section.

HoustonFrog
02-06-2009, 09:38 AM
I have one problem with this idea...Moore isn't really a bruiser. He is 5'10 and 209 but he is more of a speed/3rd down guy they used compared to FWP on the Steelers. He can bruise more than Slaton but I'm not sure if that has been is use in the NFL so far.

HOU-TEX
02-06-2009, 09:47 AM
Correct.

Should there be an article, not a blog, reporting that the Texans are involved with talks with a FA, then the thread would be in the Texans Talk section.

Kinda off-topic, but are teams even allowed to begin talks with FA's yet?

BTW, it looks like Edge is already planning on his release from the Cards.

In an interview on Dan Patrick’s radio show, Dan Bickley of the Arizona Republic and XTRA Sports 910 said in no uncertain terms that Cardinals running back Edgerrin James is already gone.

Bickley said that James didn’t return to Arizona with the team, and that he fully expects James not to be back in 2009.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/05/edgerrin-james-already-gone-in-arizona/

Texans34Life
02-07-2009, 12:56 AM
Correct.

Should there be an article, not a blog, reporting that the Texans are involved with talks with a FA, then the thread would be in the Texans Talk section.

But KT, I thought anyone can suggest RBs that would fit the Texans scheme in the Texans Talk section. I didn't know I needed reference in order for it to be there.

LonerATO
02-07-2009, 02:25 AM
Moore looks like he could be looking for a new team since the Steelers just brought in Stefan Logan from BC Lions. I still feel that we should be using leach as more or the bruiser and in those goal line stances

infantrycak
02-07-2009, 09:37 AM
But KT, I thought anyone can suggest RBs that would fit the Texans scheme in the Texans Talk section. I didn't know I needed reference in order for it to be there.

Generally speaking we keep discussions of individuals who have not been connected to the Texans in the NFL section and then if they get connected to the Texans they are discussed in Texans Talk. General discussions such as something like "FA RBs who would fit our scheme" also can go in Texans Talk. If every FA out there gets there own thread in Texans Talk it mucks things up and drives threads off the first page. Then we get redundant "how about X" threads. It is somewhat arbitrary but helps the place stay organized.

beerlover
02-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Generally speaking we keep discussions of individuals who have not been connected to the Texans in the NFL section and then if they get connected to the Texans they are discussed in Texans Talk. General discussions such as something like "FA RBs who would fit our scheme" also can go in Texans Talk. If every FA out there gets there own thread in Texans Talk it mucks things up and drives threads off the first page. Then we get redundant "how about X" threads. It is somewhat arbitrary but helps the place stay organized.

our mods do an outstanding job monitoring this board, thank you! :beer:

awtysst
02-07-2009, 11:41 AM
Pass. Moore is not the type of back I am looking for. I am looking for a 225+ lber that can get short yardage and move the chains on 3rd and short and would be a brusier for the Goal line.

Moore is a 209lb speedy back.

Vinny
02-07-2009, 11:46 AM
How about we get this guy to be the bruiser behind Slaton? Mendenhall is going to be coming back for Pittsburgh and he's going to lose playing time there. He produced pretty well when Parker was out.

I know he signed a 3-year, 4.95 mil contract last year, but could we still get him?
Moore a bruiser? He has always been a 3rd down and situational back....hes more of a finesse back like a little better version of Ryan Moats

Second Honeymoon
02-07-2009, 12:00 PM
Whatever our management decides to do, it better include getting someone to share the load with Slaton. I know Smith and Kubiak werent here when DD played for us, but they better still learn the lesson. Don't burn out your young backs and end their careers within 4 years especially after you re-signed them over a year earlier than you really needed to, in order to try and a get a 'team friendlier' deal and prevent him from being an FA.
Thanks Charlie, you big steaming pile of dog crap for all the great moves you did during your reign of terror.

Good morning everyone ;)

ChampionTexan
02-07-2009, 12:15 PM
Pass. Moore is not the type of back I am looking for. I am looking for a 225+ lber that can get short yardage and move the chains on 3rd and short and would be a brusier for the Goal line.

Moore is a 209lb speedy back.

You don't necessarily have to be a hulking brute in order to be a good goal line back. Some guys just have a nose for the endzone. IMO Marcus Allen was one of the all time great goal line backs, because he knew what he had to do, and made it his mission to do it. He played at around 210 pounds.

When you look at the 2008 season, and look at percentages of TD's from the 3 yard line or inside, there were 14 backs with a 50% or greater percentage (minimum 6 attempts). Only 6 of the 14 weighed above 225 pounds, with the top three weighing 208, 217, and 220 respectively. Strangely enough, the 225+ guys were clustered together at 4-9, and 10-14 were all sub 225.

LINK (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Rushing&range=NFL&rank=017)

The other thing to keep in mind is with the exception of Duckett, all of these guys were touching the ball at least 10-12 times a game. John Madden used to talk about the guy who if you needed a yard would get you three, and if you needed five yards would get you three. That guy aint gonna cut it. If he's a complementary back to Slaton, he needs to be able to do something besides be a three yard battering ram.

Vinny
02-07-2009, 01:32 PM
You don't necessarily have to be a hulking brute in order to be a good goal line back. Some guys just have a nose for the endzone. IMO Marcus Allen was one of the all time great goal line backs, because he knew what he had to do, and made it his mission to do it. He played at around 210 pounds.

When you look at the 2008 season, and look at percentages of TD's from the 3 yard line or inside, there were 14 backs with a 50% or greater percentage (minimum 6 attempts). Only 6 of the 14 weighed above 225 pounds, with the top three weighing 208, 217, and 220 respectively. Strangely enough, the 225+ guys were clustered together at 4-9, and 10-14 were all sub 225.

LINK (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Rushing&range=NFL&rank=017)

The other thing to keep in mind is with the exception of Duckett, all of these guys were touching the ball at least 10-12 times a game. John Madden used to talk about the guy who if you needed a yard would get you three, and if you needed five yards would get you three. That guy aint gonna cut it. If he's a complementary back to Slaton, he needs to be able to do something besides be a three yard battering ram.
Duckett is Stacey Mack, but not as good.

steelbtexan
02-07-2009, 01:54 PM
I would take Moore.

He's also a good sure handed punt returner. He probably could teach JJ a thing or 2.

Like how to work @ your craft & stay out of the bars.

Life is a party for JJ but if he doesn't improve the party is going to be over soon IMO.

awtysst
02-07-2009, 02:24 PM
You don't necessarily have to be a hulking brute in order to be a good goal line back. Some guys just have a nose for the endzone. IMO Marcus Allen was one of the all time great goal line backs, because he knew what he had to do, and made it his mission to do it. He played at around 210 pounds.

When you look at the 2008 season, and look at percentages of TD's from the 3 yard line or inside, there were 14 backs with a 50% or greater percentage (minimum 6 attempts). Only 6 of the 14 weighed above 225 pounds, with the top three weighing 208, 217, and 220 respectively. Strangely enough, the 225+ guys were clustered together at 4-9, and 10-14 were all sub 225.

LINK (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Rushing&range=NFL&rank=017)


The other thing to keep in mind is with the exception of Duckett, all of these guys were touching the ball at least 10-12 times a game. John Madden used to talk about the guy who if you needed a yard would get you three, and if you needed five yards would get you three. That guy aint gonna cut it. If he's a complementary back to Slaton, he needs to be able to do something besides be a three yard battering ram.

Ok, but stats can be used to prove anything. I could say that of the top td producing RBs, 3 of the top 5 were 235+ lbs(Michael Turner, Brandon Jacobs, Lendale White). I could further say that if you expand that list I can count Ronnie Brown at 230, Tim Hightower at 224(close enough to 225), LaRon McClain at 260, and Jonathan Stewart at 235. So by my calculation I would have 7 of the top 12 td producing backs were at least 224+lbs. That is pretty telling.

Mewelde Moore is 210 lbs. So if we expand my analysis to include other players that are at least 220+ then I can add in LT. so that would be 8/12 or 67%. Thats pretty significant in my book.

However, to really get an understanding of the data, lets explore further. Who are those 4 top 12 players who are under 220?
Deangelo Williams (217), Thomas Jones (21), Maurice Jones Drew (208), and Adrian Peterson (208). Now lets look at how each team acquired each player. Williams and Peterson were drafted in the first round for their current team. Jones was originally a first rounder by was eventually traded to the Jets for a 2nd rounder. Jones Drew was selected in the third round. Of these players the only one close to your seemingly ideal 210 size is Jones Drew. All the others are 5+ lbs heavier. I would argue that 7lbs can be a significant weight difference. So, if I give you Jones Drew and Jones as examples, then you only really have 2 out of the top 12 RB TD producers at 215 and less. Thats 17%. If you eliminate Jones, its 1/12 or 8%.

The last thing to think about is who are the compliment backs for these smaller rbs? Well Fred Taylor is MJD's compliment and he is 228 and Thomas Jones compliment is Leon Washington (202). Slaton is maybe 203.

So, after all of that analysis it is clear that top RB TD producers are usually a heavier RB(220+) and if they are under that, they usually have a compliment that is in that size. The one exception is the Jets with a 215 and 202 Lb back. Slaton is our lighter speedier back. We do not need another back like him. We need a bigger complimentary back.

ChampionTexan
02-07-2009, 04:01 PM
You don't necessarily have to be a hulking brute in order to be a good goal line back. Some guys just have a nose for the endzone.

Ok, but stats can be used to prove anything. I could say that of the top td producing RBs, 3 of the top 5 were 235+ lbs(Michael Turner, Brandon Jacobs, Lendale White). I could further say that if you expand that list I can count Ronnie Brown at 230, Tim Hightower at 224(close enough to 225), LaRon McClain at 260, and Jonathan Stewart at 235. So by my calculation I would have 7 of the top 12 td producing backs were at least 224+lbs. That is pretty telling.

You're right about statistics, and we've both proved it. I didn't say that a good goal line back couldn't be above 225, I just said they didn't have to be, and whether it's my 8 out of 14 (who weren't), you're 3 out of 5 (who were), or your 7 of 12 (who were), I think it's realistic to say you can be a good goal line back and be under 225. It's also more than a little bit arbitrary, as somebody like Marion Barber weighs in at 220, and it's a little tough to say just which side of the argument he'd actually back up.

All I'm saying is that I'd like to see the Texans get a complementary back to Slaton, and my idea of the perfect ratio of carries would be about 2 to 1 in Slaton's favor. (To put it in perspective, this years ratio was about 2.6 to 1 between Slaton and every other RB on the team). I don't think there's a litmus test as to weight - I just think we need somebody who can effectively fill that role.

Finally, this entire topic is based on Red Zone efficiency, and our #26 ranking in TD percentage. While it's clearly a component of the problem, it's not right to say that the lack of gaining tough yards down close is the entire problem, or even the biggest part of the problem. Significantly Reducing the RZ turnovers (which were almost exclusively by QB's) will have a much bigger impact on this than anything we can do with the RB's.

infantrycak
02-07-2009, 06:38 PM
So, after all of that analysis it is clear that top RB TD producers are usually a heavier RB(220+) and if they are under that, they usually have a compliment that is in that size. The one exception is the Jets with a 215 and 202 Lb back. Slaton is our lighter speedier back. We do not need another back like him. We need a bigger complimentary back.

No, what you have shown is analysis for one year. Looking at the history of the NFL comes up with many more examples of sub 220 lb backs rather than 220+ lb backs excelling. All you have to do is look at the single season TD record holders list which includes folks such as Emmitt, Payton, LT, Davis, etc. Short yardage is far more about running in small spaces than it is about running someone over. Look at the guys you are talking about with Brandon Jacobs, Turner, Brown and you are looking at guys who aren't achieving because of their size but because their athleticism matches those of smaller backs and yet they have size. For every Turner there are 20 Stacy Macks and Ron Daynes.

Geez we have seen this just in the short existence of the Texans. Who would you want running for 3rd and 1, Domanick Davis, Stacy Mack, Ron Dayne or Jonathon Wells? The answer is obvious and it is the lightest guy on the list.

ATX
02-07-2009, 07:38 PM
Geez we have seen this just in the short existence of the Texans. Who would you want running for 3rd and 1, Domanick Davis, Stacy Mack, Ron Dayne or Jonathon Wells? The answer is obvious and it is the lightest guy on the list.

None of those guys, they're all out of the league. :)

HoustonFrog
02-07-2009, 11:42 PM
Pass. Moore is not the type of back I am looking for. I am looking for a 225+ lber that can get short yardage and move the chains on 3rd and short and would be a brusier for the Goal line.

Moore is a 209lb speedy back.
Said this also...right above. He was thier 3rd down guy forced into action....basically Slaton.