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Wolf
02-02-2009, 09:54 PM
This Sunday, Lone Star football fans from El Paso to Texarkana will tune into Super Bowl XLIII. And for the thirteenth straight year, we will watch two teams from other states play in the NFL’s premier event.

This current drought now matches the longest period in Super Bowl history without a Texas entry; the other dry spell being the stretch from 1979-1992.

There is good news, however.




http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/PabloDeTejas/182553

I won't add anything, i'll let y'all enjoy

GuerillaBlack
02-02-2009, 09:58 PM
I will die a happen man if/when this happens.

Lucky
02-02-2009, 10:24 PM
I will die a happen man if/when this happens.
I'll be very happy when the Texans are in the Super Bowl. But before we gloat over the supposed momentum shift between Houston and Dallas, remember this. The Cowboys disappointing 9-7 record this past season would be a franchise best for the Texans.

Nawzer
02-02-2009, 10:25 PM
Since his arrival in 2006, Smith has been steadily putting a very talented roster together. He got rid of David Carr and replaced him with the cerebral Matt Schaub. He picked up WR Andre Johnson and drafted RB Steve Slayton, DT Amobi Okoye and LT Duane Brown.

Rick Smith didn't draft Andre Johnson the last time I checked.

dtran04
02-02-2009, 10:37 PM
Who's Whitten? Who's Slayton?

:)

Carr Bombed
02-02-2009, 10:49 PM
I like Gary Kubiak and I think he can be a very good coach in this league, but I'd like to see more growth as a head coach and results before I call him one...

and

I also like Rick Smith and think he is a bright young guy, but I would like to see more drafts from him, before I declare him the next great young G.M.

I agree that the Cowboys are headed down the tube (once the Parcells found talent starts to disappear) with the spineless head coach that Dallas has, they no longer have anybody to challenge Jones from making horrible decisions. (like the pickup of Tank, Pacman, and giving up a crap load of picks for Roy Williams)

Having said that though, that doesn't mean Houston is just going to jump up and be the savior of this state......Houston hasn't earned that kind of praise yet. Are they doing some good things......yes, but we are going into season #8 and still haven't had a winning season yet. It's a little premature to start punching super bowl tickets right now.

Wolf6151
02-02-2009, 11:34 PM
I like Gary Kubiak and I think he can be a very good coach in this league, but I'd like to see more growth as a head coach and results before I call him one...

and

I also like Rick Smith and think he is a bright young guy, but I would like to see more drafts from him, before I declare him the next great young G.M.



I agree with your thoughts regarding Gary Kubiak, I'd also like to see alot more growth from him as a head coach. Specifically in the areas a player personnel and game management/clock management. He needs to get alot better and quick. Hopefully his butt is on the hotseat this year.

Rick Smith I think is doing a very good job as well, but I'd like to see him do a better job in free agency and in the draft before declaring him the next great GM of the NFL.

mexican_texan
02-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Does that guy get paid to misinform?

Goldensilence
02-03-2009, 01:11 AM
Interesting take. I'll start with the Cowboys. Run the ball more.

As for the Texans I agree we have something good brewing here and for us to take that next step it's going to have to be Kubiak and his staff making a big leap this coming year. I hope that he can trust Young Shannahan to take over on the offensive play calling and with more oversight over the O in general that will allow Kubiak to evolve into a more complete HC.

Really hope that Bush is the guy for our defense because Kubiak's career with the Texans could be on the line. IF very big IF Bush and the rest of the staff can get this defense in the top half of the league along with a top 5 offense we could be trouble for a LOT of teams. Couple that with what could be a good schedule and we might have a special season next year. This without a doubt in my mind is the biggest offseason in Texans history.

Thorn
02-03-2009, 06:51 AM
Whatever. At least the Cowpatties can't lay claim to being the first to win 6 super bowls. I'd have hated that. The Cowturds and the Texans are headed in different directions, the Cowpies down and the Texans up. But, as has been pointed out, at this stage of the game, they still have a better record than us. I hope that changes in 2009.

I hate that dipsh*t team with the stars on the helmuts. :)

SheTexan
02-03-2009, 07:11 AM
Whatever. At least the Cowpatties can't lay claim to being the first to win 6 super bowls. I'd have hated that.

The ONLY reason this past SB was not a total disappointment to me. I definitely wanted the Cards to pull it off, but, I have to admit I had a little smile on my face when the game was over. Who can lay claim to being "America's team" now?? I was hoping the Niners would beat the CBs to that 6th SB title, but, I'll settle for the Steele men. (no offense to the fine members of this board who have CB blood running through their veins.) :)

Malloy
02-03-2009, 07:12 AM
Since his arrival in 2006, Smith has been steadily putting a very talented roster together. He got rid of David Carr and replaced him with the cerebral Matt Schaub. He picked up WR Andre Johnson and drafted RB Steve Slayton, DT Amobi Okoye and LT Duane Brown.

I sincerely hope he means Andre Davis :)

Good read though, I hope he's right!

nunusguy
02-03-2009, 07:17 AM
The Cowboys disappointing 9-7 record this past season would be a franchise best for the Texans.

Thank you. Somebody needed to put things in perspective here because it's really silly to get heady about 2 consecutive .500 seasons.

mexican_texan
02-03-2009, 09:27 AM
If we were in the NFC, no doubt in my mind we would have made the playoffs already.

El Tejano
02-03-2009, 10:05 AM
Rick Smith didn't draft Andre Johnson the last time I checked.

Wow!!! I know!! I think he met Andre Davis but in a strange way that also prooves his point about what the Texans are doing.

barrett
02-03-2009, 11:02 AM
I hope that (Kubiak) can trust Young Shannahan to take over on the offensive play calling and with more oversight over the O in general that will allow Kubiak to evolve into a more complete HC.

No doubt in my mind this is the key. I expect to see alot of the strange/poor game time decisions to improve assuming that Shannahan is able to hold his own. I recognize that Kubiak will still remain heavy handed in the playbook while Kyle gets more and more experience but it will be key that Kubiak won't have to spend as much time with his head buried in the play card during the game. The difference in his perspective should be substantial. Being able to really watch the game develop should allow him to make alot more analytical decisions and less "gut" decisions. I think his progress as a HC ties in directly to Shannahan's progress as a OC.

dalemurphy
02-03-2009, 12:02 PM
No doubt in my mind this is the key. I expect to see alot of the strange/poor game time decisions to improve assuming that Shannahan is able to hold his own. I recognize that Kubiak will still remain heavy handed in the playbook while Kyle gets more and more experience but it will be key that Kubiak won't have to spend as much time with his head buried in the play card during the game. The difference in his perspective should be substantial. Being able to really watch the game develop should allow him to make alot more analytical decisions and less "gut" decisions. I think his progress as a HC ties in directly to Shannahan's progress as a OC.

I agree. Another thing that will help his game management this year is the potential that our defense will make a stop on 3rd and 12. That should help his decision-making as well!

BuffaloglennTX
02-03-2009, 01:08 PM
The ONLY reason this past SB was not a total disappointment to me. I definitely wanted the Cards to pull it off, but, I have to admit I had a little smile on my face when the game was over. Who can lay claim to being "America's team" now?? I was hoping the Niners would beat the CBs to that 6th SB title, but, I'll settle for the Steele men. (no offense to the fine members of this board who have CB blood running through their veins.) :)

Is there anyone on this board who has cowboy blood running through their veins? If so, I would have to say, what are you doing here? LOL

I'm with you - the Steelers have done it without Jerry Jones "Glitz and glitter" - good for them; they deserve it.

HOU-TEX
02-03-2009, 01:25 PM
Is there anyone on this board who has cowboy blood running through their veins? If so, I would have to say, what are you doing here? LOL

I'm with you - the Steelers have done it without Jerry Jones "Glitz and glitter" - good for them; they deserve it.

There are a few Cowboy fans on this board that are very cool people and are long time members here.

Second Honeymoon
02-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I don't know about a Super Bowl but I do agree that the Texans are trending upwards and the Cowboys look to be primed for a fall. And the draft is going to be slim pickens in 2009 because they shot their load trading for a VERY unmotivated and underperforming Roy Williams. Then you have Mr. Choke himself Tony Romo at the helm and with that you know you are screwed too.

Their best chance at the Super Bowl was in 2006 under Parcells and Romo had to choke the snap on the chip shot field goal to win it. Ever since then they have lost that swagger. They should have never gotten rid of Parcells. His FG kickers were horrible and lost so many games for them yet they still almost advanced but Romo had to choke. Parcells wasn't the problem and I guarantee you they dont trade a 1st and a 2nd? for Roy WIlliams if Bill is still at Valley Ranch.

I give Jones a lot of credit for winning but he hasn't won since he had a strong personality as his Head Coach. He needs to get back to that and get away from teh Wade Phillips carebear coaching philosophy.

Then you sign Dan Reeves as a consultant? Really? Dan Reeves. The same Dan Reeves that said the Texans should stay the course with Carr. A move that has crippled our franchise's development even to this day. Really? Jones needs to back away from the plastic surgeon and stay the hell off the football field and let more qualified football personnel make the moves. Jerry probably does know as much about football as most NFL owners but he doesn't know enough to be qualified to make all decisions especially personnel and building a team. He can squeeze a nickel out of a turnip but he needs to stick with the marketing and the sponsorship/licensing deals because that is something he is good at. Its obvious he can not build a winner without strong leadership at HC.

Hooston Texan
02-03-2009, 02:05 PM
Then you sign Dan Reeves as a consultant? Really? Dan Reeves. The same Dan Reeves that said the Texans should stay the course with Carr. A move that has crippled our franchise's development even to this day. Really? Jones needs to back away from the plastic surgeon and stay the hell off the football field and let more qualified football personnel make the moves. Jerry probably does know as much about football as most NFL owners but he doesn't know enough to be qualified to make all decisions especially personnel and building a team. He can squeeze a nickel out of a turnip but he needs to stick with the marketing and the sponsorship/licensing deals because that is something he is good at. Its obvious he can not build a winner without strong leadership at HC.

Oh, good grief. If the Texans go on to the heights we expect, then Reeves' telling McNair that he could win with David Carr was a key moment in that climb. If we had gone into the 2006 draft eyeing a QB, we'd probably have The Crying, Quitting Sausage King polluting our roster. Or, only marginally-better, Beer-Bong Leinart. Or, best case, maybe we'd have shocked the world and taken Cutler. Either way, Super Mario plays elsewhere if we draft a QB #1.

But how not having VY or Leinart cripples our team to this very day is beyond me. Perhaps it has crippled the affection that VY-lovers have for our team, but now that Vince looks like he's going to be a third-stringer behind a Kerry Collins and Chris Simms, who in their right mind can suggest we should have drafted anyone else other than Mario at #1?

We got the QB we need. We got the game-changing pass-rusher all top-shelf teams need. And, to boot, we got a more productive RB than the one we were supposed to take in 2006 if we did not take The Quitter with that first pick. I'd say our development from 2-14 has come along nicely, thank you.

WWJD
02-03-2009, 04:24 PM
I don't know about a Super Bowl but I do agree that the Texans are trending upwards and the Cowboys look to be primed for a fall. And the draft is going to be slim pickens in 2009 because they shot their load trading for a VERY unmotivated and underperforming Roy Williams. Then you have Mr. Choke himself Tony Romo at the helm and with that you know you are screwed too.

Their best chance at the Super Bowl was in 2006 under Parcells and Romo had to choke the snap on the chip shot field goal to win it. Ever since then they have lost that swagger. They should have never gotten rid of Parcells. His FG kickers were horrible and lost so many games for them yet they still almost advanced but Romo had to choke. Parcells wasn't the problem and I guarantee you they dont trade a 1st and a 2nd? for Roy WIlliams if Bill is still at Valley Ranch.

I give Jones a lot of credit for winning but he hasn't won since he had a strong personality as his Head Coach. He needs to get back to that and get away from teh Wade Phillips carebear coaching philosophy.

Then you sign Dan Reeves as a consultant? Really? Dan Reeves. The same Dan Reeves that said the Texans should stay the course with Carr. A move that has crippled our franchise's development even to this day. Really? Jones needs to back away from the plastic surgeon and stay the hell off the football field and let more qualified football personnel make the moves. Jerry probably does know as much about football as most NFL owners but he doesn't know enough to be qualified to make all decisions especially personnel and building a team. He can squeeze a nickel out of a turnip but he needs to stick with the marketing and the sponsorship/licensing deals because that is something he is good at. Its obvious he can not build a winner without strong leadership at HC.


I just could not resist from a Cowboys fan perspective:

The Cowboys have maybe 8 or 9 draft picks this year so that is why I think they did the deal for Roy. He needs to step up and make it worth what they paid. Jerry wanted him for some time so I guess that's the reason he paid such a heavy price. I would not have but they are hardly without draft choices this draft.

Can't disagree about Romo..he has a huge upside but he makes too many mistakes. Is he a choker? So far yea. Long term I don't know. Depends on him. He has the talent.

They didn't get "rid" of Bill..he left on his own and he has the same hx as Jimmy. Stay a few years and then get out. Bill wasn't fired and wasn't gotten rid of. He just left. Got his millions he needed to pay off his ex and then SEE YA! And the Cowboys didn't win a playoff game under Bill. Same ole, same ole.

I think Dan was hired just because he's had many years in the league and they needed some direction. Different opinion. He's got the history there and while I don't know exactly how much swing a "consultant" with an NFL team has I don't see where it can hurt. Chances are he probably has more common sense than Jerry and Wade combined. We'll see.

Jerry does need to focus on the marketing (I personally think he's tops in the NFL in that) and leave the team alone. He will not, he has not and he doesn't have to. So it's a moot argument.

Big Lou
02-03-2009, 05:49 PM
Rick Smith didn't draft Andre Johnson the last time I checked.

Rick Smith willed Caserly to select AJ because he knew all along he would be in Houston eventually, he's that good.

Speaking of AJ, this franchise owes Detroit a lot of gratitude. If Detroit hadn't drafted Charles Rogers, I'm sure Caserly would have taken him over AJ, what a disaster that would have been!!!!!!!

Wolf
02-03-2009, 06:57 PM
Dan Reeves was brought in to see if Mike S could work with the Dallas crew :spy: :joker:

Norg
02-03-2009, 08:29 PM
Man we got to make the Superbowl we have waited so long with blood sweet and tears

i will be so happy if the texans make the playoffs i might even shead a tear

look how happy the cards fans have felt for the past few months i wanna feel that has well LOL

barrett
02-03-2009, 08:36 PM
we haven't waited that long. look at the bucks, lions, you even sight the cards... but yeah, hurry up already!

IlliniJen
02-03-2009, 09:37 PM
I'll be very happy when the Texans are in the Super Bowl. But before we gloat over the supposed momentum shift between Houston and Dallas, remember this. The Cowboys disappointing 9-7 record this past season would be a franchise best for the Texans.

Ouch. Thanks for the reality check. And it's true.

I've learned, after the hopefulness I had for this season, thinking we'd have a huge turnaround, that it's much better to dip your toe in the water, assuming it's going to be freezing than jumping right in thinking it's going to be fine.

I can't wait for next year and I think the Texans can turn it around, but I'm not confident about it until I see it. For a couple years now, we've been on the "gonna turn it around" tip, and it just hasn't happened for numerous reasons, so I'm not going to chest thump, especially in relation to the Cowboys.

But man, them 'Boys are in a heap of a mess up there in the Big D. I'm glad I'm a Texans fan. Screw it, I'm ALWAYS glad I'm a Texans fan, even if the Cowboys are in the Super Bowl, because I could never be a Cowboys fan. Even this yankee from Chi-town knows better.

Insideop
02-03-2009, 10:01 PM
Good article, except for the AJ mistake. I only hope it comes true and I hope Jerry, and the rest of the cowpie nation, are happy with their "glitz and glitter" team! :fortune:

BuffaloglennTX
02-04-2009, 03:31 PM
There are a few Cowboy fans on this board that are very cool people and are long time members here.

Sarcasm, that's why I added the LOL part. I know you can be fans for more than one team. No sarcasm about the G-N-G though (Glitz and glitter). :texflag:

HOU-TEX
02-04-2009, 03:52 PM
Sarcasm, that's why I added the LOL part. I know you can be fans for more than one team. No sarcasm about the G-N-G though (Glitz and glitter). :texflag:

Cool.

Agreed about the Glitz and glitter. :cool: