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nunusguy
02-02-2009, 11:41 AM
Houston was the second-lowest rated market in the country for Sunday’s Super Bowl broadcast on NBC, topping only Salt Lake City among the 56 major markets measured by Nielsen Media Research.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6242345.html
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OzzO
02-02-2009, 11:54 AM
come on, it's a fairweather town - you know that.
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except for some of the diehards.

Too bad for those that missed it - actually was a pretty good game.

Errant Hothy
02-02-2009, 11:56 AM
come on, it's a fairweather town - you know that.
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except for some of the diehards.

Too bad for those that missed it - actually was a pretty good game.

It's a fairweather town, and when coupled with the fact that nobody from the region was in the game I don't see why anybody is surprised by this.

Brando
02-02-2009, 11:59 AM
Maybe because a lot of Houston hates the Pittsburgh Steelers?
I know when I first moved to Corpus Christi I didn't even watch the SB because it was Pitt versus Seattle. I went fishing that year.

HoustonFrog
02-02-2009, 12:08 PM
Maybe because a lot of Houston hates the Pittsburgh Steelers?
I know when I first moved to Corpus Christi I didn't even watch the SB because it was Pitt versus Seattle. I went fishing that year.

Then they should have watched and cheered for the Cardinals. There is no excuse for Houston to be such a poor sports town when it comes to fans, etc....of course not the people here.

Polo
02-02-2009, 12:09 PM
Houston has every excuse to have "poor fans" when it comes to sporting events...

Texan_Bill
02-02-2009, 12:12 PM
I went fishing that year.

Then they should have watched and cheered for the Cardinals. There is no excuse for Houston to be such a poor sports town when it comes to fans, etc....of course not the people here.

Fishing (errrrrr hunting sea kitties) trumps the cheering for the Cardinals ;)

nunusguy
02-02-2009, 12:13 PM
Maybe because a lot of Houston hates the Pittsburgh Steelers?
You mean because of the old Oilers-Steelers rivalry ? Then you turn on
the tube and yell for the Cardinals.
But see Houston is in TX, now stay with me here its not rocket-science, and TX has a reputation for loving football. Right ?
And I would think a sour economy would mean for more TV viewing ?
But this is humiliating to find that places like San Fran & LA had more interest in the years biggest football game than Houston !
I dunno, maybe McNair is lucky he's got as much fan support as he has ?

MannyFresh
02-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Because everybody was watching Puppy Bowl! :smiliedance:

Brando
02-02-2009, 12:15 PM
Then they should have watched and cheered for the Cardinals. There is no excuse for Houston to be such a poor sports town when it comes to fans, etc....of course not the people here.


That's what I did this year. I thought for sure at worst it would go to OT when Fitz scored. Great game and I'm glad I didn't miss it.

badboy
02-02-2009, 12:16 PM
This is the first year in long time that I followed the playoffs thru to SB. Once Texans out, I may turn on a game for a play or so then watch SB with friends. I have been rooting for Cards and Warner for last two months. Thought they won until that DB slipped down.

hobie
02-02-2009, 12:16 PM
Well I knew of at least 5 parties that were going to have 15 people plus there, then add the fact we have tons of sports bars, even though numbers are hard to dispute, those are just tv's turned into the game, has no bearing of how many fans actually watched it...

Like at every game, the Texans have "SOLD OUT" 70 straight....sure, how many actual games has the place been full the last 3 years though....Same thing..

Brando
02-02-2009, 12:18 PM
You mean because of the old Oilers-Steelers rivalry ? Then you turn on
the tube and yell for the Cardinals.
But see Houston is in TX, now stay with me here its not rocket-science, and TX has a reputation for loving football. Right ?
And I would think a sour economy would mean for more TV viewing ?
But this is humiliating to find that places like San Fran & LA had more interest in the years biggest football game than Houston !
I dunno, maybe McNair is lucky he's got as much fan support as he has ?

I don't put much stock into it, Houston might have had bigger SB parties across town? One TV with a big crowd at the party would skew the ratings.

Yankee_In_TX
02-02-2009, 12:19 PM
Because everybody was watching Puppy Bowl! :smiliedance:

No, it's on the DVR. The wife said we have to keep it so she can flip it on in the evening if she has a stressful day.

Polo
02-02-2009, 12:20 PM
You mean because of the old Oilers-Steelers rivalry ? Then you turn on
the tube and yell for the Cardinals.
But see Houston is in TX, now stay with me here its not rocket-science, and TX has a reputation for loving football. Right ?
And I would think a sour economy would mean for more TV viewing ?
But this is humiliating to find that places like San Fran & LA had more interest in the years biggest football game than Houston !
I dunno, maybe McNair is lucky he's got as much fan support as he has ?

McNair is lucky, but as big of a city as Houston is (and considering all the outlying areas) there should be a lot more fan support for the Texans.

I personally don't meet many people in everyday life here who would consider themselves Texan "fans". Most people I know really don't care about them.

When I see a Texans logo on the back of someones truck or if I see someone wearing a Texans hat I always wonder if it's someone on this board.

That's pretty sad if you think about what that means.

MannyFresh
02-02-2009, 12:21 PM
No, it's on the DVR. The wife said we have to keep it so she can flip it on in the evening if she has a stressful day.


Dammit your right, what was I thinking...LOL

ChampionTexan
02-02-2009, 12:24 PM
You mean because of the old Oilers-Steelers rivalry ? Then you turn on
the tube and yell for the Cardinals.
But see Houston is in TX, now stay with me here its not rocket-science, and TX has a reputation for loving football. Right ?
And I would think a sour economy would mean for more TV viewing ?
But this is humiliating to find that places like San Fran & LA had more interest in the years biggest football game than Houston !
I dunno, maybe McNair is lucky he's got as much fan support as he has ?

Humiliating? Really? Humiliating?

Grams
02-02-2009, 12:29 PM
Just because we are football fans doesn't mean we watch every single game on the TV even if it is the Super Bowl. There was not a team from this area or this state. Come on it was the Cardinals. You know the team that has not won anything since dirt was discovered.

How many of you actually thought it would be a blow out for the Steelers? Not to many thought the Cards actually had a chance. Almost everyone in the media was predicting the Steelers to win. The fact that it turned out to actually be a pretty good game (besides the fact that the refs looked like they wanted Pit to win) was probably a surprise to a lot of people.

nunusguy
02-02-2009, 12:35 PM
Humiliating? Really? Humiliating?

Actually more like mortifying !
I rank SB Sunday in there with Christmas, Thanksgiving, & the 4th of July.

Errant Hothy
02-02-2009, 12:48 PM
Actually more like mortifying !
I rank SB Sunday in there with Christmas, Thanksgiving, & the 4th of July.

Draft Day is better then the Super Bowl, unless your team wins the game.

Ole Miss Texan
02-02-2009, 12:48 PM
Everything is bigger in Texas including the parties and the tv's!! My explanation is that we're a lot more friendlier here thus have more friends and enjoy being in the company of others. In larger markets people are more likely to watch the superbowl in their home by themselves because they are mean and nobody likes them. :tinfoil:

cuppacoffee
02-02-2009, 01:07 PM
Have you watched games where opposing teams fans really show up in the stands?

Did you see the towels yesterday at the game?

Most Steeler out of town games are well represented by their fans in the stands, waving their towels. Ask Titan fans.

Winning or losing, Pittsburgh is a football town.

How many games have you seen where the "cheeseheads" are in attendance at the opponents stadims?

Winning or losing, Green Bay is a football town. Huge waiting list for tickets for many many years.

Reliant stadium is sold out for every game. How many "fans" show up? I see lots of empty seats before, during, and even more empty seats before the game is even over. Gotta beat the traffic mentality.

Houston has a few very good, die hard fans, but Houston is a jumping on the bandwagon when the team wins kind of city. Always has been.

Think we will ever see hundreds of Texan flags being waved in our opponents stadiums, even if we are winning?

Flame me if you want, but that is the way I see it.

:coffee:

Boris
02-02-2009, 01:24 PM
guess you've never seen photos of the Astrodome during the LuvYaBlue days.

I moved to the US in the late 80s & can remember P-Up tricks w/the Oilers' logo & colours. As ugly as those trucks looked, they still sold.

HOU-TEX
02-02-2009, 01:24 PM
I think when people say Houston is a football town it has more to do with High School and College than the NFL. Actually, that applies for the entire state of Texas in general. Sure there are Cowboy fans with a few of us Texan fans sprinkled in, but I think a majority will side with HS and College ball.

Personally, I love to watch all levels of Football. During the season there will be weekends where I catch a game Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Up until my son entered High School there were Thursday's too.

Other than watching my son play, my #1 priority are Texans games. Then it's High School football, then College.

Texas loves it's High School football. :)

Carr Bombed
02-02-2009, 01:25 PM
Look on the bright side........atleast Houston beat Utah at something.

GuerillaBlack
02-02-2009, 01:54 PM
McNair is lucky, but as big of a city as Houston is (and considering all the outlying areas) there should be a lot more fan support for the Texans.

I personally don't meet many people in everyday life here who would consider themselves Texan "fans". Most people I know really don't care about them.

When I see a Texans logo on the back of someones truck or if I see someone wearing a Texans hat I always wonder if it's someone on this board.

That's pretty sad if you think about what that means.

I do the same thing when I'm in Houston. I always get happy when I see that. It's sad really. In Dallas-Fort Worth, you can't escape that star. It's everywhere and rightfully so. Just give the Texans more time. You definitely see Astros stuff everywhere, but in DFW, the Rangers are just like the Texans.

Joe Texan
02-02-2009, 02:10 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5133


From the above link I see we were busy doing better things than watching Cinderella meets Goliath

Brando
02-02-2009, 02:10 PM
Super Bowl ratings drop from '08 peak

NEW YORK -- Preliminary Nielsen Media Research ratings show the Super Bowl's audience was likely down from last year's peak, but about on par with the 2007 and 2006 games.



The Steelers defeat the Cardinals 27-23 in one of the most memorable Super Bowls ever.
The Pittsburgh Steelers-Arizona Cardinals game on NBC recorded a 42.1 rating and 65 share in Nielsen's overnight measurement of the nation's top cities. The same measurement for last year's New York Giants-New England Patriots game, which was the most-watched Super Bowl ever, was 44.7.

The 2007 preliminary rating was identical to this year's, and the 2006 game was 42.2, Nielsen said. Each rating point represents 1,145,000 households. The share means 65 percent of the televisions turned on during the game were tuned to the game.

A viewership estimate was not immediately available, but will likely be about 90 million.

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3878820)

Malloy
02-02-2009, 02:40 PM
It's a fairweather town, and when coupled with the fact that nobody from the region was in the game I don't see why anybody is surprised by this.

Well Arizona is kinda close to Texas isnt it ? :)

cuppacoffee
02-02-2009, 02:46 PM
guess you've never seen photos of the Astrodome during the LuvYaBlue days.

I moved to the US in the late 80s & can remember P-Up tricks w/the Oilers' logo & colours. As ugly as those trucks looked, they still sold.


You've made my point.

You are a new comer, I've attended and watched Oiler games since 1960.

Ever seen photos of the Astrodome during the coach Peterson era, the coach Taylor era, the 1-13 years, the stadium was emmmpty.

I don't need photos, Mrs. and I were there.

I was there at Rice stadium. Some games I had my choice of where I wanted to sit. Fifty yard line, no problem.

Remember the Monday night game, with the lone Oiler fan " giving the we're #1 signal (extended middle finger) according to Dandy Don.

The stadium was emmmpty. Nationwide broadcast, empty stadium.

Like I said...

LuvYaBlue years were when the team was winning..the fans turned out.


:coffee:

eriadoc
02-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Houston is a football town. It's just not an NFL town, aside from the Texans. In other words, Houston supports its local football, at every level. I'd dare say college football is well watched here as well. Just because no one gives a rat's ass about ARI or PIT doesn't mean we're not a football town. It just means we're not an NFL-at-all-costs town.

Personally, I watched the SB, but I'm regretting it, because my time would have been better spent doing schoolwork. With regards to the Texans, I have only felt that way after the very worst of losses.

Second Honeymoon
02-02-2009, 04:02 PM
Texas is a great football state (the greatest) but that doesn't mean Houston is a great football town or that our fans are the best. Far from it. We put a lot of talent in the NFL as a city, but our fans are pretty lackluster. Texans fans are starting to get the picture though. The tailgating gets better every year and we now have a non-losing product on the field....so baby steps.

Houston fans are generally pretty casual for lack of a better term and they only come out when the teams are winning. As far as the fans watching the Super Bowl that is a pretty skewed number because our city has decent weather where a lot of our fans could go to a bar/restaurant/party to watch the game with other people whereas other cities are cold, icy, and snowed in....which means people are less likely to hold a party or go to a bar. That makes other cities' numbers look more impressive at first glance.

Face it, this is the same fanbase that supported Carr for 5 years through hell and high water making excuse after excuse for the guy even though it was painfully obvious the dude totally sucked, with many fans still clamoring for him to be brought back for a 6th season. This is the same fanbase that thought Bagwell was anything more than an overpaid choke job/steroid addict. They built a statue of the guy for crying out loud. That is called low expectations but what else can you expect from McKKKLane. Bagwell had good meaningless stats and his skin had the right pigmentation. Why not build a statue for the guy? frankly, im surprised they didn't name the stadium after the loser. Not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. Its just brutal truth and at least on the Texans front, people are starting to think with their mind and less with their heart.

Carr Bombed
02-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Texas is a great football state (the greatest) but that doesn't mean Houston is a great football town or that our fans are the best. Far from it. We put a lot of talent in the NFL as a city, but our fans are pretty lackluster. Texans fans are starting to get the picture though. The tailgating gets better every year and we now have a non-losing product on the field....so baby steps.

Houston fans are generally pretty casual for lack of a better term and they only come out when the teams are winning. As far as the fans watching the Super Bowl that is a pretty skewed number because our city has decent weather where a lot of our fans could go to a bar/restaurant/party to watch the game with other people whereas other cities are cold, icy, and snowed in....which means people are less likely to hold a party or go to a bar. That makes other cities' numbers look more impressive at first glance.

Face it, this is the same fanbase that supported Carr for 5 years through hell and high water making excuse after excuse for the guy even though it was painfully obvious the dude totally sucked, with many fans still clamoring for him to be brought back for a 6th season. This is the same fanbase that thought Bagwell was anything more than an overpaid choke job/steroid addict. They built a statue of the guy for crying out loud. That is called low expectations but what else can you expect from McKKKLane. Bagwell had good meaningless stats and his skin had the right pigmentation. Why not build a statue for the guy? frankly, im surprised they didn't name the stadium after the loser. Not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. Its just brutal truth and at least on the Texans front, people are starting to think with their mind and less with their heart.

Yeah, you had me until the last paragraph. Hard for me to call Drayton, "McKKKLane" when he pays a black manager to manage his baseball team.....also it isn't Drayton's fault that young black athletes simply don't care about baseball anymore and their #s in the sport are dwindling.

Also hard for me to fault the guy for building a statue of one of the franchise's greatest players.

michaelm
02-02-2009, 04:30 PM
We had around 120 people at our Super Bowl Party, so we help skew those numbers.

axman40
02-02-2009, 04:39 PM
McNair is lucky, but as big of a city as Houston is (and considering all the outlying areas) there should be a lot more fan support for the Texans.

I personally don't meet many people in everyday life here who would consider themselves Texan "fans". Most people I know really don't care about them.

When I see a Texans logo on the back of someones truck or if I see someone wearing a Texans hat I always wonder if it's someone on this board.

That's pretty sad if you think about what that means.
Texans marketing outside of Houston SUCKS! I am sorry if anyone from marketing reads this but speaking as a fan you are doing a bad job!

:texflag:

eriadoc
02-02-2009, 04:49 PM
Texas is a great football state (the greatest) but that doesn't mean Houston is a great football town or that our fans are the best. Far from it. We put a lot of talent in the NFL as a city, but our fans are pretty lackluster. Texans fans are starting to get the picture though. The tailgating gets better every year and we now have a non-losing product on the field....so baby steps.

Houston fans are generally pretty casual for lack of a better term and they only come out when the teams are winning. As far as the fans watching the Super Bowl that is a pretty skewed number because our city has decent weather where a lot of our fans could go to a bar/restaurant/party to watch the game with other people whereas other cities are cold, icy, and snowed in....which means people are less likely to hold a party or go to a bar. That makes other cities' numbers look more impressive at first glance.

Disagree. See, if you change this to say "Houston is not a great NFL town" then maybe I can agree to some extent. But come out on a Friday night and the stands are packed.

As for the NFL, well they don't deserve our loyalty after the Oilers debacle. The Texans haven't done anything to destroy our loyalty, but it's hard to take a new franchise and have a better fan base than what we've shown, unless you just start winning immediately.

Notice that I differentiate between the NFL, the Texans, and football in general. Houston is a great football town.

Thorn
02-02-2009, 04:59 PM
Only upon rare occasions do Houston fans get to wallow in the promised land of won champioinships. It's our nature to be wary, experience has tought us that.

Texans_Chick
02-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Nice weather outside last night.

At the SB party I was at, we had two TVs outside so it was all good.

I was a Nielsen family for a year. It's kind of weird. First of all, they lied and said their equipment they attach to your TV isn't obtrusive. That is bull. It looks like crap, makes noises, takes forever to install, and runs the risk of busting your TV. Basically, you have to be an ***** to be a Nielsen family, and I felt totally suckered for being a kind person agreeing to do this stuff.

It also made me paranoid about what I was watching on TV. I banned people from watching awful stuff. There was lots of Spongebob I am sure during that time period.

Showtime100
02-02-2009, 05:40 PM
Yeah, you had me until the last paragraph. Hard for me to call Drayton, "McKKKLane" when he pays a black manager to manage his baseball team.....also it isn't Drayton's fault that young black athletes simply don't care about baseball anymore and their #s in the sport are dwindling.

Also hard for me to fault the guy for building a statue of one of the franchise's greatest players.

Second Honeymoon is a Cardinal troll where baseball is concerned. I wouldn't put any stock into what he says about the Astros.

Revolution
02-02-2009, 06:25 PM
You mean because of the old Oilers-Steelers rivalry ? Then you turn on
the tube and yell for the Cardinals.
But see Houston is in TX, now stay with me here its not rocket-science, and TX has a reputation for loving football. Right ?
And I would think a sour economy would mean for more TV viewing ?
But this is humiliating to find that places like San Fran & LA had more interest in the years biggest football game than Houston !
I dunno, maybe McNair is lucky he's got as much fan support as he has ?

I find your condescending attitude offensive! Brando is one of the biggest football fans around and I think he understands the big picture.

If you knew anything about Texas...Texas has a reputation for loving HIGH SCHOOL football...now stay with me here...this is totally different than the nfl or college football.

Just like in sports stats, ratings statistics can lie. Maybe Houstonians throw bigger parties and there were less televisions on because of this??? :spit:

painekiller
02-02-2009, 07:02 PM
And Houston wants to host another Super Bowl. If you do not support the NFL when they are on TV and in another city, you are not going to be considered a front running city for the Super Bowl. Owners look for reasons not to give cities the Super bowl and Houston has now added another item for them to target when they decide against us.

nunusguy
02-02-2009, 07:20 PM
If you knew anything about Texas...Texas has a reputation for loving HIGH SCHOOL football...now stay with me here...this is totally different than the nfl or college football.


I thought I knew something about the people of Texas when it comes to their sentiments about football, maybe I don't ? I'm not from here but my wife is and she along with others in her family are avid football fans, NFL fans. Maybe her family is not that representitive of Houston ? Or maybe
Houston is not representative of Texas ?
What I know is that football, and more the NFL than college or scholastic,
is now and has been for decades our national pasttime and the SB is the World Series of the sport. And it still really surprises me than any other metro area sampled by Neilson (except for SLC), turned out more viewers for the event ?

awtysst
02-02-2009, 07:25 PM
I wonder how many people that live in Houston are transplants from other cities? People that come from other areas may hold onto their own sports allegiances. Places like Texas are ones where people are moving to and its reasonable to conclude that some of them are sports fans that have their own favorite sports teams.

For example, I currently live in Denver. There are non Denver sports related bars here like Longhorns bars, Red Sox bars here, etc. Why? People from other areas that have moved in who want to watch the teams of their youth. I wonder if that is an issue in Houston?

Second Honeymoon
02-02-2009, 07:40 PM
I wonder how many people that live in Houston are transplants from other cities? People that come from other areas may hold onto their own sports allegiances. Places like Texas are ones where people are moving to and its reasonable to conclude that some of them are sports fans that have their own favorite sports teams.

For example, I currently live in Denver. There are non Denver sports related bars here like Longhorns bars, Red Sox bars here, etc. Why? People from other areas that have moved in who want to watch the teams of their youth. I wonder if that is an issue in Houston?

There are bars for out-of-town teams in the Houston area. Out here in The Woodlands/Spring area there is Steel City Pizzeria on Rayford-Sawdust. That place is 100% all about the Steelers. The colors, the decor, the fans, the place is steela that they have the Steelers emblem engraved into its front door and is an armada of Steeler jerseys on gameday. The Buffalo Wild Wings (formerly BW3) in the Rice Village used to be a huge hangout for Buckeye and Browns fans a few years back when I lived down in Bellaire.

I think our city's 'poor' performance is because of our international demographics more than anything else if you ask me. I think our nice weather plays a factor in it as well. More parties and less people staying at home to watch it snowed in at home.

I love Houston but you gotta admit we are not the 'norm' as far as big cities go when it comes to comparative analysis of statistics. we are very spread out. very multi-cultural. we have been as snakebit as any city's sports fan ever could dream of and don't forget the NFL set favorable conditions to our original team being taken from us in the first place. They lost some goodwill and a measure of interest.

for all we know they included numbers that could still be affected from Ike. things on the coast are still pretty bad.

bckey
02-03-2009, 12:18 AM
All I know is that I yelled for the Steelers to win. I hate em from the Oiler days but I wanted them to win so I could rub it in all the cowboy fans faces that the Steelers have 6 rings. One for the left baby. They can't stand it.

Grams
02-03-2009, 06:37 AM
I wonder how many people that live in Houston are transplants from other cities? People that come from other areas may hold onto their own sports allegiances. Places like Texas are ones where people are moving to and its reasonable to conclude that some of them are sports fans that have their own favorite sports teams.

For example, I currently live in Denver. There are non Denver sports related bars here like Longhorns bars, Red Sox bars here, etc. Why? People from other areas that have moved in who want to watch the teams of their youth. I wonder if that is an issue in Houston?

I am one of those transplants. Originally from Boston via San Francisco. I still root for the Patriots, Red Sox, Celtics and Bruins and 49ers.

But I am a Texans fan first over everybody. Maybe because I was here before the Texans were. I have a few items from the above mentioned teams, but I have a lot of Texans stuff.

The offseason seems to get longer each year.

nunusguy
02-03-2009, 07:08 AM
I think our city's 'poor' performance is because of our international demographics more than anything else if you ask me. I think our nice weather plays a factor in it as well. More parties and less people staying at home to watch it snowed in at home.

Cities from Seattle to Miami are just as international as we are. Miami is of course probably the most Latino metro area in the country, but those people are passionate only about the soccer version of football not the American/NFL version, so blaming Houstons indifference about the SB can't be attributed to exotic demographics. And the winter weather in places like SF, LA, ATL, and Miami are certainly comparable if not superior to Houstons. Lets face, this city is anything but the football hotbed some make it out to be. I mean how can it be when the "caffe latte" crowd in Seattle likes viewing the SB more than Houston ? That's insulting !

ubecool454
02-03-2009, 08:12 AM
Houston was the second-lowest rated market in the country for Sunday’s Super Bowl broadcast on NBC, topping only Salt Lake City among the 56 major markets measured by Nielsen Media Research.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6242345.html
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Good for Houston because we should have been hosting the superbowl anyway. Next year back to miami...3 out of 4 years in florida? I don't care if Houston doesn't host another superbowl. I would rather have the Texans in the bowl instead of hosting.

Jackie Chiles
02-03-2009, 08:23 AM
Cities from Seattle to Miami are just as international as we are. Miami is of course probably the most Latino metro area in the country, but those people are passionate only about the soccer version of football not the American/NFL version, so blaming Houstons indifference about the SB can't be attributed to exotic demographics. And the winter weather in places like SF, LA, ATL, and Miami are certainly comparable if not superior to Houstons. Lets face, this city is anything but the football hotbed some make it out to be. I mean how can it be when the "caffe latte" crowd in Seattle likes viewing the SB more than Houston ? That's insulting !

Its going to take some time for us to build up a respectable fan base imo. Eight years in and we still have nothing much to show for it. I remember I was a college freshman when we played our inaugural season. I was pretty excited and followed the team but I was a casual fan. Every single season this team and the NFL have grown on me to the point I am now and have been for the last few years a rabid Texans fan. I have to know what is going on with the team at all times now and I doubt I will miss a game on Sunday/Monday/Thursday for the rest of my life. All it takes is 1 season to become a fan and its a habit that is almost impossible to drop once it hits. This fanbase will explode when we make our first playoff run. A lot of those fans will be bandwagon but I would wager than once they get on they enjoy the view and stick around for a long long time.

Another thing, does anyone here really NEED to be a part of a top fanbase to enjoy this team? As long as there is a sellout crowd every gameday that shows up (win and this will happen) I could care less. Teams like Pittsburgh and Dallas are rare, they are the result of a long and storied history. The numbers are stacked against us ever having that kind of long-term success but that doesn't mean we can't win some football games.

hobie
02-03-2009, 10:02 AM
Well like I said, I knew of a few parties that were having over 15 people plus..which brings me to this..who here hosted or went to a party that had at least 15 people..

I know some of you did...

Brando
02-03-2009, 10:23 AM
Well like I said, I knew of a few parties that were having over 15 people plus..which brings me to this..who here hosted or went to a party that had at least 15 people..

I know some of you did...

I'm in Corpus so I don't count but just for the point you are trying to make my house had 13 people.

SheTexan
02-03-2009, 10:37 AM
Let's be honest folks. Houston is a GREAT football town, when we win. Fans jump on and off the bandwagon so much I'm surprised they can even remember when to jump. Everyone has that Texas size opinon also. How many fans have we lost because they simply got pissed off because the FO didn't do what they thought they should do. Every year we hear, "I'll selling my tickets IF!!" Truth be told, we have a handful of diehards, and a boatload of maybe's. Let the Texans make the playoffs and watch the "maybe's" come out of the woodwork!! We'll suddenly have more "diehards" than we know what to do with.

Texan_Bill
02-03-2009, 10:44 AM
Well like I said, I knew of a few parties that were having over 15 people plus..which brings me to this..who here hosted or went to a party that had at least 15 people..

I know some of you did...

I stopped by two before going to the party where I actually watched it. The first party had about 10 people, but that was also a few hours before the game started and I know a lot more were expected to show up as kickoff approached. The second party had about 10 people also (but that's all they were expecting). The party I wound up had about 20 and 5 kids. That's about 40+ people watching on 3 sets, none of which had Nielson's box...

steelbtexan
02-03-2009, 11:04 AM
Let's be honest folks. Houston is a GREAT football town, when we win. Fans jump on and off the bandwagon so much I'm surprised they can even remember when to jump. Everyone has that Texas size opinon also. How many fans have we lost because they simply got pissed off because the FO didn't do what they thought they should do. Every year we hear, "I'll selling my tickets IF!!" Truth be told, we have a handful of diehards, and a boatload of maybe's. Let the Texans make the playoffs and watch the "maybe's" come out of the woodwork!! We'll suddenly have more "diehards" than we know what to do with.

The Texans are the 4th most profitable franchise & have never had a winning record. They have sold out every game since their inception. I dont think you can question Texans fans loyalty. I think you can question ownerships comittment to their fans by putting a winning team on the field.

I renewed my season tickets this year. If the team stinks this year & I dont renew my tickets in 2010 bcause of the combination of the economy & the teams lak of comittnent to winning does that make me a bandwagon fan?

I had 32 people @ my Super Bowl party.

eriadoc
02-03-2009, 11:08 AM
Cities from Seattle to Miami are just as international as we are. Miami is of course probably the most Latino metro area in the country, but those people are passionate only about the soccer version of football not the American/NFL version, so blaming Houstons indifference about the SB can't be attributed to exotic demographics. And the winter weather in places like SF, LA, ATL, and Miami are certainly comparable if not superior to Houstons. Lets face, this city is anything but the football hotbed some make it out to be. I mean how can it be when the "caffe latte" crowd in Seattle likes viewing the SB more than Houston ? That's insulting !

Look, you've been presented with plenty of input, and if you still have it in your head that the label "football town" must equate to viewing the SB, then it doesn't appear that anyone is going to change it.

High school football is huge here. Houston puts out as much football talent as any city in America. College football is big here. The Texans sell out every game, despite the team never having a winning season. So no one cared about this year's Super Bowl. If that makes us a bad football town in your eyes, despite all the evidence to the contrary, then so be it.

hobie
02-03-2009, 11:09 AM
The Texans are the 4th most profitable franchise & have never had a winning record. They have sold out every game since their inception. I dont think you can question Texans fans loyalty. I think you can question ownerships comittment to their fans by putting a winning team on the field.

I renewed my season tickets this year. If the team stinks this year & I dont renew my tickets in 2010 bcause of the combination of the economy & the teams lak of comittnent to winning does that make me a bandwagon fan?

I had 32 people @ my Super Bowl party.


Difference selling them out and showing up.... The last few years alone, there isn't more than 80% in the house, and sometimes it seems less than that when you see BIG blocks of empty seats..
And who cares if Houston is a football town or not.. Houston is not alot of alot of stuff anyways !! But I am a football guy as well as alot of others, so if our city is not labeled one, so be it !

steelbtexan
02-03-2009, 11:41 AM
Difference selling them out and showing up.... The last few years alone, there isn't more than 80% in the house, and sometimes it seems less than that when you see BIG blocks of empty seats..
And who cares if Houston is a football town or not.. Houston is not alot of alot of stuff anyways !! But I am a football guy as well as alot of others, so if our city is not labeled one, so be it !

Agreed

I just have a problem with the Texans sending out season ticket renewals before the Super Bowl.

People like to tailgate & get to their seats late, that is why it seems like the Stadium is 80% full @ kickoff. This is part of the gameday expirience. It doesn't mean you are not a fan if you aren't in your seats @ game time.

When you have spent $40,000 in season tickets for the product the Texans have put on the field I think fans have earned the right to tailgate as long as they want to & get into the stadium after kickoff.

WWJD
02-03-2009, 11:54 AM
What difference does it make?

Houston HAS a football team and they aren't going anywhere.

steelbtexan
02-03-2009, 04:10 PM
I'm just tired of people saying we are a bad football town when we support a team that is the 4th most profitable team in the NFL.

The team has never had a winning record & we fans still support the team anyways. That is the definition of a great fan base.

You can look @ this MB & although we disagree we are very loyal fans.

Texan_Bill
02-03-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm just tired of people saying we are a bad football town when we support a team that is the 4th most profitable team in the NFL.

The team has never had a winning record & we fans still support the team anyways. That is the definition of a great fan base.

You can look @ this MB & although we disagree we are very loyal fans.

J/C:

How long have you lived in the City of Houston?

How many transplants live here?

nunusguy
02-04-2009, 08:21 AM
Salt Lake City was followed by Houston, Austin, Los Angeles and San Francisco, according to NBC. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh; Norfolk, Va.; Jacksonville, Fla.; Buffalo and Richmond, Va., had the highest ratings for the game.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-salt-lake-scores-lowest-ratings-super-bowl-ratings-/2009/02/03/3961861.htm
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Read it and weep. Those bastions of football fervor, LA & San Fran, flashed
better than Texas cities Houston & Austin in SB viewers ratings. Who would have thunk it ?

steelbtexan
02-04-2009, 08:41 AM
J/C:

How long have you lived in the City of Houston?

How many transplants live here?

I have lived in Texas all of my life & in Houston most of my adult life.

We suppport our team with our wallets better than any city in the NFL.

When you take into account the product that has been put on the field.

Kaiser Toro
02-04-2009, 08:49 AM
Salt Lake City was followed by Houston, Austin, Los Angeles and San Francisco, according to NBC. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh; Norfolk, Va.; Jacksonville, Fla.; Buffalo and Richmond, Va., had the highest ratings for the game.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-salt-lake-scores-lowest-ratings-super-bowl-ratings-/2009/02/03/3961861.htm
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Read it and weep. Those bastions of football fervor, LA & San Fran, flashed
better than Texas cities Houston & Austin in SB viewers ratings. Who would have thunk it ?

Account for 75 degree weather on that day, Tivo, internet streaming, Nielsen's awful paneling and the fact that football crazy Texans like to get together in large groups and then you should get closer to whatever truth you are looking for.

Or how about you look at paneling for radio, internet streaming and TV for football recruiting today and then take a look at Spring practice content and its viewership to triangulate your reasearch in order to make a reasonable deduction.

nunusguy
02-04-2009, 09:54 AM
Account for 75 degree weather on that day, Tivo, internet streaming, Nielsen's awful paneling and the fact that football crazy Texans like to get together in large groups and then you should get closer to whatever truth you are looking for.

Or how about you look at paneling for radio, internet streaming and TV for football recruiting today and then take a look at Spring practice content and its viewership to triangulate your reasearch in order to make a reasonable deduction.
Others in this thread have said things along those lines to which I would say that Nielsen has been around for decades and I'd think their service would be smart enough by now to accumulate those kinds of factors and discount/measure them so that the end data provided is still valid and useful.
Afterall this is not a government service supported by taxpayers, rather its an entity in the private sector that has obviously competed successfully enough to survive by way of the info it's provided its customers.

Kaiser Toro
02-04-2009, 10:08 AM
Others in this thread have said things along those lines to which I would say that Nielsen has been around for decades and I'd think their service would be smart enough by now to accumulate those kinds of factors and discount/measure them so that the end data provided is still valid and useful.
Afterall this is not a government service supported by taxpayers, rather its an entity in the private sector that has obviously competed successfully enough to survive by way of the info it's provided its customers.

It is not smart enough, nor is it capturing any of the broadcasts via the internet. Nielsen has segmented itself to report on different formats, but not roll up.

Please do not make Nielsen the poster child of a public vs private debate, you do not do yourself any favors positioning your arguement. Anyone in the media business can attest to that. Nielsen is in a fight to stay relevant as TV's eyeballs and managed frequency erode.

Texan_Bill
02-04-2009, 11:34 AM
I have lived in Texas all of my life & in Houston most of my adult life.

We suppport our team with our wallets better than any city in the NFL.

When you take into account the product that has been put on the field.

I was just curious. It wasn't that I was disagreeing with anything you had said, I just was trying to get a fix on where you were coming from.

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Of all the people I know, be it here, Dallas, Austin - wherever; I don't know one person that participates in the Nielson Ratings system. In fact, the only one that I know that has ever participated is Steph and she said it sucked.

nunusguy
02-04-2009, 12:38 PM
It is not smart enough, nor is it capturing any of the broadcasts via the internet. Nielsen has segmented itself to report on different formats, but not roll up.

Please do not make Nielsen the poster child of a public vs private debate, you do not do yourself any favors positioning your arguement. Anyone in the media business can attest to that. Nielsen is in a fight to stay relevant as TV's eyeballs and managed frequency erode.

I honestly don't have any opinion of Neilsons service, rather I'm merely observing there's customers in their market who value their service even if you don't.

dskillz
02-04-2009, 01:10 PM
Salt Lake City was followed by Houston, Austin, Los Angeles and San Francisco, according to NBC. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh; Norfolk, Va.; Jacksonville, Fla.; Buffalo and Richmond, Va., had the highest ratings for the game.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-salt-lake-scores-lowest-ratings-super-bowl-ratings-/2009/02/03/3961861.htm
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Read it and weep. Those bastions of football fervor, LA & San Fran, flashed
better than Texas cities Houston & Austin in SB viewers ratings. Who would have thunk it ?

You know how I know the ratings are bull? You mean to tell me that Phoenix isn't in the top cities for watching the game? Really?

imatexan
02-04-2009, 09:31 PM
I just saw ratings were actually higher this year so maybe that changed Houstons ratings..that is odd that Houston was so low.

WesmanTexanfan
02-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Houston was the second-lowest rated market in the country for Sunday’s Super Bowl broadcast on NBC, topping only Salt Lake City among the 56 major markets measured by Nielsen Media Research.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6242345.html
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I dont always watch all of it because im not a big NFL fan, only Texans. Houston is more of a "get together city" anyway, if that makes sense to anyone else....

SteveSlaton20
02-05-2009, 09:43 PM
Have you watched games where opposing teams fans really show up in the stands?

Did you see the towels yesterday at the game?

Most Steeler out of town games are well represented by their fans in the stands, waving their towels. Ask Titan fans.

Winning or losing, Pittsburgh is a football town.

How many games have you seen where the "cheeseheads" are in attendance at the opponents stadims?

Winning or losing, Green Bay is a football town. Huge waiting list for tickets for many many years.

Reliant stadium is sold out for every game. How many "fans" show up? I see lots of empty seats before, during, and even more empty seats before the game is even over. Gotta beat the traffic mentality.

Houston has a few very good, die hard fans, but Houston is a jumping on the bandwagon when the team wins kind of city. Always has been.

Think we will ever see hundreds of Texan flags being waved in our opponents stadiums, even if we are winning?

Flame me if you want, but that is the way I see it.

:coffee:

amen