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beerlover
02-01-2009, 11:21 AM
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Brandon420tx
02-01-2009, 11:36 AM
I'd swap 9 and 10

beerlover
02-01-2009, 11:45 AM
I'd swap 9 and 10

I thought about it but the Texans selected Brink 7th rd. in last year's draft.

beerlover
02-01-2009, 11:53 AM
If the Texans can address their needs in free agency it would greatly increase taking the best players in the draft who would elevate this teams future. was looking @ this one site that had the Texans Needs as such-

4-3 DT
DB
4-3 LB
S
OT


which seemed conflicting to me so I wanted to bring this board & get some feedback. the Texans are set @ OT with Brown/Winston. never had an elite safety. yeah need help @ LB I agree & if they don't resign Dunta CB moves way up on the list but another DT & not DE as the top need?

Thorn
02-01-2009, 11:58 AM
I think the most glaring needs are DE and safety. After that, patch up the holes with BPA.

swtbound07
02-01-2009, 12:45 PM
If ALL we do this offseason is finally acquire a decent free safety, i will be ecstatic. No more 4th rounders, or castoff vets. Give me a top 10 fs in the league please.

Hottoddie
02-01-2009, 12:57 PM
I saw one mock that had us taking Vontae Davis (CB) in the 1st & Sean Smith (CB/S) in the 2nd round. That's an interesting way of looking at it. If we could address DE in free agency (Canty, Adeyanju, Peppers, Berry), then going after Davis & Smith might not be a bad idea.

Is there any reason why we couldn't run 4 CB's out there?

The1ApplePie
02-01-2009, 01:01 PM
Either MLB or NT

DeMeco got eaten alive by blockers with the crap DT play in front of him. Either a beast MLB like Rey Rey needs to be drafted and let DeMeco get kicked to outside or draft a NT to soak up blocks.

Play-making WR to pair with AJ or to give us a slot guy if you are a Walter lover

InterestedJeff
02-01-2009, 01:06 PM
I'm conflicted with saftey and DE being the biggest needs. I guess I'd say Saftey slightly edges out DE. With that being said, I believe we should go with a DE in the first round due to the lack of premiere talent at the saftey posistion in this years draft.

I've also heard a lot of talk about taking an OLB with our first pick. I've tried wraping my mind around this one. Honestly, I like our linebacking corps. Ryans is the cornerstone without a doubt. Our two youngersters, Dyles and Adibi, both look to be progressing nicley. We do need Dyles to stay healthy and continue to improve and we need Adibi to add some lbs. With that being said, Dyles was leading our team in tackles before he got hurt and Adibi seemed to be consistantly around the ball. If a 1st round prospect drops to the 3rd round then I think we should take a hard look at him. I dont think it is a position that needs to be addressed in the first.

painekiller
02-01-2009, 01:09 PM
I thought about it but the Texans selected Brink 7th rd. in last year's draft.

And he was so impressive they cut him. It wasn't until Schaub was hurt that they resigned him to the practice squad, so don't pull they had him on the practice squad argument. Brink was a wasted pick. They should have taken Aldridge with that pick.

Sal Rosenberg
02-01-2009, 01:09 PM
Are you guys sure we don't need a DT?LMAO!!!I want to draft Jeria Perry from Ole Miss but I wish we had not wasted our other first round DT pick TJ.

The1ApplePie
02-01-2009, 01:12 PM
Are you guys sure we don't need a DT?LMAO!!!I want to draft Jeria Perry from Ole Miss but I wish we had not wasted our other first round DT pick TJ.

Peria is another Amobi, something we probably don't need even one of

We need beef like Ron Brace in the middle

beerlover
02-01-2009, 01:47 PM
And he was so impressive they cut him. It wasn't until Schaub was hurt that they resigned him to the practice squad, so don't pull they had him on the practice squad argument. Brink was a wasted pick. They should have taken Aldridge with that pick.

Texans only like to carry two QB's on their active roster then stash one on the practice squad, don't give up on Brink so easily :foottap:

The Pencil Neck
02-01-2009, 01:57 PM
I'm conflicted with saftey and DE being the biggest needs. I guess I'd say Saftey slightly edges out DE. With that being said, I believe we should go with a DE in the first round due to the lack of premiere talent at the saftey posistion in this years draft.

I've also heard a lot of talk about taking an OLB with our first pick. I've tried wraping my mind around this one. Honestly, I like our linebacking corps. Ryans is the cornerstone without a doubt. Our two youngersters, Dyles and Adibi, both look to be progressing nicley. We do need Dyles to stay healthy and continue to improve and we need Adibi to add some lbs. With that being said, Dyles was leading our team in tackles before he got hurt and Adibi seemed to be consistantly around the ball. If a 1st round prospect drops to the 3rd round then I think we should take a hard look at him. I dont think it is a position that needs to be addressed in the first.

It depends on who falls to us. If we take ReyRey, he'd be an upgrade at SAM over Diles and we could even re-arrange our LB's and put Demeco at SAM and Rey at Mike. That MIGHT be a better overall configuration. And if the elite DE's that we have on our board are already gone, then it might make sense to go ahead and upgrade the LB's. The fact that both Adibi and Diles have had problems staying on the field worries me.

So, I'm not going to be upset if they decide to upgrade the LB's in the first. I don't think it's our biggest position of need but it might make the most sense when need hits available talent.

InterestedJeff
02-01-2009, 02:04 PM
It depends on who falls to us. If we take ReyRey, he'd be an upgrade at SAM over Diles and we could even re-arrange our LB's and put Demeco at SAM and Rey at Mike. That MIGHT be a better overall configuration. And if the elite DE's that we have on our board are already gone, then it might make sense to go ahead and upgrade the LB's. The fact that both Adibi and Diles have had problems staying on the field worries me.

So, I'm not going to be upset if they decide to upgrade the LB's in the first. I don't think it's our biggest position of need but it might make the most sense when need hits available talent.

I completley agree. The draft is a funny animal and very strange things tend to happen. I'm looking foward to the combine. There are a lot of players that i'm curious to see where they rank when its all said and done with. That Johnson kid from Ga. Tech seems to have really great size and speed. Most mocks have him as a very low first rounder. He seems to be ideal to have opposite Mario. Also a lot of mocks have us going after Everet Brown from Fl State. I dont know much about him. What I do know kind of scares me. Devensive linemen from florida state have not been very successfull in the NFL. Maybe Brown will end up the exception and not the rule.

Thorn
02-01-2009, 02:09 PM
We can't really tell what they might draft until free agency is over with anyway. I would assume the Texans will play in the FA pool, but how is the question.

The Pencil Neck
02-01-2009, 02:14 PM
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Here's my rationale:

We need to improve our red zone offense. I think we can do that by improving the inside of our line and by adding a bruising running back. I was hesitant to put OG/C this high because I don't want to mess with the chemistry of the line. But I think we can improve the interior.

I dropped DT from a position of importance because I think that the change in defensive philosophy is going to improve our DT play. I think that the shift from a read and react/sideline to sideline to an up-the-field, gap shooting approach is going to utilize our DT's to their best ability. I think Amobi and TJ are both going to improve dramatically.

I think WR is more important than TE. I think we can upgrade Anderson and/or Davis.

The LB position is the one that I'm not sure about. If a really quality LB like a Rey Maualuga (sp) drops to us... it's going to be hard to say no. And if someone like a Cushing or a Matthews has a great Combine, it's going to be hard to say no to them. And although I like Diles, I think we can upgrade him. I was tempted to move LB up but I think we might be OK.

beerlover
02-01-2009, 02:14 PM
#1 FA priority is to re-sign Dunta Robinson

in regards to his medical condition the Texans know him better than anyone.

beerlover
02-01-2009, 02:25 PM
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Here's my rationale:

We need to improve our red zone offense. I think we can do that by improving the inside of our line and by adding a bruising running back. I was hesitant to put OG/C this high because I don't want to mess with the chemistry of the line. But I think we can improve the interior.

I dropped DT from a position of importance because I think that the change in defensive philosophy is going to improve our DT play. I think that the shift from a read and react/sideline to sideline to an up-the-field, gap shooting approach is going to utilize our DT's to their best ability. I think Amobi and TJ are both going to improve dramatically.

I think WR is more important than TE. I think we can upgrade Anderson and/or Davis.

The LB position is the one that I'm not sure about. If a really quality LB like a Rey Maualuga (sp) drops to us... it's going to be hard to say no. And if someone like a Cushing or a Matthews has a great Combine, it's going to be hard to say no to them. And although I like Diles, I think we can upgrade him. I was tempted to move LB up but I think we might be OK.

I embrace :thisbig: your viewpoint, but I think the odds are Texans will have their pick of safety @#15 over defensive end & select a free safety with range to play centerfielder, explosive closing speed & physical enough in run support :hothboy:

bigbrewster2000
02-01-2009, 02:33 PM
And he was so impressive they cut him. It wasn't until Schaub was hurt that they resigned him to the practice squad, so don't pull they had him on the practice squad argument. Brink was a wasted pick. They should have taken Aldridge with that pick.

Really? A wasted pick in the 7th huh? No such thing. While we have been incredibly lucky the last few years by getting production from our 7th rounders, that certainly isnt the norm. Like beer lover already stated hiding a qb on the practice squad is pretty comon place not just with the Texans but around the league. Give the Texans some tie with Brink to develope. If he doesnt oh well its just a flyer in the 7th. If e does then we struck gold.

Very low risk high reward scenario.

Maddict5
02-01-2009, 02:57 PM
Play-making WR to pair with AJ or to give us a slot guy if you are a Walter lover

for all our 3 wr sets?
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buddyboy
02-01-2009, 03:18 PM
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Here's my rationale:

We need to improve our red zone offense. I think we can do that by improving the inside of our line and by adding a bruising running back. I was hesitant to put OG/C this high because I don't want to mess with the chemistry of the line. But I think we can improve the interior.

I dropped DT from a position of importance because I think that the change in defensive philosophy is going to improve our DT play. I think that the shift from a read and react/sideline to sideline to an up-the-field, gap shooting approach is going to utilize our DT's to their best ability. I think Amobi and TJ are both going to improve dramatically.

I think WR is more important than TE. I think we can upgrade Anderson and/or Davis.

The LB position is the one that I'm not sure about. If a really quality LB like a Rey Maualuga (sp) drops to us... it's going to be hard to say no. And if someone like a Cushing or a Matthews has a great Combine, it's going to be hard to say no to them. And although I like Diles, I think we can upgrade him. I was tempted to move LB up but I think we might be OK.

I agree with your first four spots. I definitely think that the OG/OC plus a bruiser RB will help our redzone offense IMMENSELy. Then, the added pressure and ballhawking ability of the DE and S would make our defense feared. After that I would go:

5. DB
6. DT
7. QB
8. OT
9. LB
10. WR

after those first four needs, the rest of these are mostly depth material. You can never have too much depth at the DB position, especially with how we've been relying on Faggins more than I'm sure most of us would like. If Robinson comes back healthy and Bennet and Molden start playing like we hope they do, then that's great, we have more depth and can afford a) injuries (knock on wood) or b) we'll have trade value somewhere down the road.

Just like you, I'm hoping with a new defensive scheme, TJ starts being productive, but so far in his career, he hasn't shown it, so I'd bring in a DT as an insurance policy. Plus, rotating DL to keep them fresh is always pretty effective, espeically now with Kollar who is apparantly an "effort" guy.

Since Schaub hasn't PROVED that he's NOT injury prone, we should look for a backup QB in the middle/later rounds, since I really would hate to see Rosenfels blow up again. Hindsight 20/20, we shoulda traded him last year while he still had value.

Brown still hasn't shown himself to be the LT of the future, and while he may prove himself this year, again, you can't have too much depth on the line.

I really like our LBs, and they are young and haven't had time to prove themselves. Hopefully they pan out, but if they don't, we should get some quality depth.

Lastly, WR. I really feel like this is the one position on the team we DON'T need help at. Well, that and TE. AJ is a beast, Walter is the blue collar guy, Davis can bring some speed, Anderson has a knack for getting open, and Jacoby...well, Jacoby hopefully will mature. OD is goin to the probowl and Dreesen is a quality backup.

thunderkyss
02-01-2009, 03:47 PM
I saw one mock that had us taking Vontae Davis (CB) in the 1st & Sean Smith (CB/S) in the 2nd round. That's an interesting way of looking at it. If we could address DE in free agency (Canty, Adeyanju, Peppers, Berry), then going after Davis & Smith might not be a bad idea.

Is there any reason why we couldn't run 4 CB's out there?

I think our #1 need is a starting CB, so I like mocks with us going CB in the first two rounds. Realisticly though, I'd want a CB in the first even if I take a player 5 picks "too early", because we need a starter to play opposite Reeves. Then I want an outside linebacker with our 2nd round pick.

Chris Canty would play DT for us, he'd take TJs spot.


Either MLB or NT

DeMeco got eaten alive by blockers with the crap DT play in front of him. Either a beast MLB like Rey Rey needs to be drafted and let DeMeco get kicked to outside or draft a NT to soak up blocks.

Play-making WR to pair with AJ or to give us a slot guy if you are a Walter lover

I'm really hoping we make a serious run at Chris Canty. I think he's just what we need on the DL, which will allow Demeco to do what he does. I'm not interested at all in moving Demeco.

I understand your reasoning, but if you agree the problem is poor DT play....... let's fix the DT.

painekiller
02-01-2009, 04:13 PM
It depends on who falls to us. If we take ReyRey, he'd be an upgrade at SAM over Diles and we could even re-arrange our LB's and put Demeco at SAM and Rey at Mike. That MIGHT be a better overall configuration. And if the elite DE's that we have on our board are already gone, then it might make sense to go ahead and upgrade the LB's. The fact that both Adibi and Diles have had problems staying on the field worries me.

So, I'm not going to be upset if they decide to upgrade the LB's in the first. I don't think it's our biggest position of need but it might make the most sense when need hits available talent.

I had hoped that Rey Rey would make a SAM, but watching him at the Senior Bowl, I now doubt that move. He is so much better going downhill, and he is not natural shedding blocker like a SAM should be. Matthews is much more natural at the SAM and he most likely does not cost a 1st round pick.

As for Demeco being a SAM, he could do the job, but IMO you limit his upside at the SAM. Also an offense has a much easier time of getting a SAM off the field, not a good thing for Ryans. The prototype SAM is also a little taller, read that to mean longer arms to shed blocker, Ryans can be a SAM but it would be his weakest position.

painekiller
02-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Really? A wasted pick in the 7th huh? No such thing. While we have been incredibly lucky the last few years by getting production from our 7th rounders, that certainly isnt the norm. Like beer lover already stated hiding a qb on the practice squad is pretty comon place not just with the Texans but around the league. Give the Texans some tie with Brink to develope. If he doesnt oh well its just a flyer in the 7th. If e does then we struck gold.

Very low risk high reward scenario.

It's not the qb they took that makes the pick a waste, but the RB they passed. Plus as stated they cut he player and did not sign him to the practice squad the 1st few weeks. That shows me the teams really does not have a strong feeling on the kid. Had they signed him the PS day one, then I would have a different view of this pick.

I look at every pick as important, unlike Casserly I do not like to throw away any of the picks. Brink could have been had as a UDFA, he is not strong armed and did not come from a big named college program. Wasted pick. There where players passed that could have helped this team passed up for Brink, again I point to Aldridge.

bigbrewster2000
02-01-2009, 04:35 PM
It's not the qb they took that makes the pick a waste, but the RB they passed. Plus as stated they cut he player and did not sign him to the practice squad the 1st few weeks. That shows me the teams really does not have a strong feeling on the kid. Had they signed him the PS day one, then I would have a different view of this pick.

I look at every pick as important, unlike Casserly I do not like to throw away any of the picks. Brink could have been had as a UDFA, he is not strong armed and did not come from a big named college program. Wasted pick. There where players passed that could have helped this team passed up for Brink, again I point to Aldridge.

I guess I dont understand the thinking on why the Texans FO would have wanted Aldrige since they took Slaton in the 3rd and agree with the moves or not Green and Brown were on the roster still. And saying that any team not just ours should have taken player A in the 7th instead of player B after the fact is kinda pointless.

ArlingtonTexan
02-01-2009, 04:49 PM
Anthony Alridge's profile from nfl.com

http://www.nfl.com/players/anthonyalridge/careerstats?id=ALR296636

beerlover
02-01-2009, 04:54 PM
you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.

The Pencil Neck
02-01-2009, 05:56 PM
you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.

You've got to assume that the better players will be picked earlier. That's obviously not true but you can't bet that the 4th or 5th round guy you go after is going to give you great production.

Now, there are probably going to be some great guys back later in the draft and I hope that we get them. Personally, in what little I saw, Tim Jamison (DE, Michigan) looked really good in the Senior Bowl practices but I don't know who he was up against. It might have been just bad competition. But he didn't perform last year on the field so he'd be a risk. And that's the problem. The later you go in the draft, the riskier it's going to be that the guy is going to step up. Or, at least, step up their rookie season.

Wolf6151
02-01-2009, 11:38 PM
It's hard to prioritize our needs because they're all important. It also depends on if Dunta is re-signed or not, if not then CB becomes the #1 priority. My opinion in order of importance looks like this.

1. SS
2. OLB-SAM
3. DE
4. RG
5. RB, to take some of the load off Slaton.
6. FS
7. CB

The Pencil Neck
02-01-2009, 11:57 PM
My opinion in order of importance looks like this.

1. SS
6. FS


I don't see it this way at all. With Smith, we were running a defense that tried to play halves with the safeties. So, we didn't have a real SS/FS setup. All of our safeties are very similar and most would be considered SS's, I think.

Hopefully, in our new scheme, we'll have a normal safety setup.

And if we do, I think our biggest need is for a free safety not a strong one. I think most of our guys could play a decent SS role but we don't have anyone with the range needed to play a true FS role. So, I'd actually swap these two positions in terms of need.

painekiller
02-02-2009, 01:57 AM
I don't see it this way at all. With Smith, we were running a defense that tried to play halves with the safeties. So, we didn't have a real SS/FS setup. All of our safeties are very similar and most would be considered SS's, I think.

Hopefully, in our new scheme, we'll have a normal safety setup.

And if we do, I think our biggest need is for a free safety not a strong one. I think most of our guys could play a decent SS role but we don't have anyone with the range needed to play a true FS role. So, I'd actually swap these two positions in terms of need.

I was listening to a someone on TV, had to be on the NFLnetwork because I do not listen to the other channel much, the trend in the NFL is to interchangeable safeties. I do not remember why exactly, but I think it had to do with the amount of cover 2 teams are going to. Cover2 was designed to be played by lessor quality DBs, the LBs and DL are the better players.

painekiller
02-02-2009, 02:04 AM
you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.

My thinking is we have about 9 or 10 guys that can be upgraded on defense, so when we pick is there a player that looks to upgrade one of those guys. Then how much of an impact will that player have today? This draft is devoid of superstars but has some solid upgrades up to the 5 round.

BTW I believe we need to add a couple RBs to the mix, one being a big back/ goal line type, and a 2nd being solid young talent. Our offense needs young legs, and a lot of them.

dalemurphy
02-02-2009, 04:27 AM
1. DE
2. FS
3. RB
4. OC/OG
5. DT

Pretty sure that I'm right!

Specnatz
02-02-2009, 09:37 AM
you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.

Tuck was a 3rd round pick because he came out early after only being used and productive his junior season. I do not recall why he came out but had he stayed he would have improved greatly because he had already showed flashes of his ability.

Of course with every position you can point out success of players not taken in the first round. Hence why a lot of teams choose BPA in a need area. With FS, DE and DT all top needs, there are options.

HOU-TEX
02-02-2009, 10:33 AM
1a) DE
1b) OLB
1c) S
1d) DT
2) RB
3) CB
4) C/G

Since we desperately need improvement at the first 4 positions, I listed them as equal. Hopefully the change in defensive philosophy like Pencil Neck mentioned earlier will improve the play of our Dline.

In the end, if any of the positions 1a-1d is our 1st pick I'll be happy.

:texflag:

The Pencil Neck
02-02-2009, 10:38 AM
I was listening to a someone on TV, had to be on the NFLnetwork because I do not listen to the other channel much, the trend in the NFL is to interchangeable safeties. I do not remember why exactly, but I think it had to do with the amount of cover 2 teams are going to. Cover2 was designed to be played by lessor quality DBs, the LBs and DL are the better players.

It gets back to philosophy. What was Richard Smith's philosophy? A man-under, zone blitz, cover 2 variation with the two deep safeties and the mike playing the deep middle with d-linemen dropping into coverage and the CB's supposed to play off-man but stay on one side of the field that's aggressive and attacking... or something? :)

BigBull17
02-02-2009, 10:38 AM
I was listening to a someone on TV, had to be on the NFLnetwork because I do not listen to the other channel much, the trend in the NFL is to interchangeable safeties. I do not remember why exactly, but I think it had to do with the amount of cover 2 teams are going to. Cover2 was designed to be played by lessor quality DBs, the LBs and DL are the better players.

I wouldnt mind interchangable, but use two FS. I would rather have centerfielders than Line Backers.

ArlingtonTexan
02-02-2009, 11:18 AM
It gets back to philosophy. What was Richard Smith's philosophy? A man-under, zone blitz, cover 2 variation with the two deep safeties and the mike playing the deep middle with d-linemen dropping into coverage and the CB's supposed to play off-man but stay on one side of the field that's aggressive and attacking... or something? :)

Yeah, I think of everything with Richard Smith that was the worst. None of us, and even seemingly the players actually knew what the heck he was trying to do. It is different when you coach an attacking 3-4 or cover 2 or bears 46 and don't get the right palyers to run the defense versus no one, not even the players, even being able to explain what the defense is supposed to do. Hell, the Texans may have better parts than we think especially if someone can tell the pieces what thier role is.

BigBull17
02-02-2009, 11:33 AM
Yeah, I think of everything with Richard Smith that was the worst. None of us, and even seemingly the players actually knew what the heck he was trying to do. It is different when you coach an attacking 3-4 or cover 2 or bears 46 and don't get the right palyers to run the defense versus no one, not even the players, even being able to explain what the defense is supposed to do. Hell, the Texans may have better parts than we think especially if someone can tell the pieces what thier role is.

I agree. We arent the most talented defense in the NFL, but we have alot more talent than we have shown.

PHAROAH
02-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Man we need to go after the best Free Safety in Free Agency O.J. Atogwe and draft a head hunting Strong Safety in the 2nd or 3rd round. I am tired of these no name players who get killed every season on the back end of the defense. We need to stop being cheap and bring in some first rate talent in free agency and stop wasting money on these 2nd rate free agents.

rush2112mn
02-02-2009, 01:14 PM
I would pick a rb in 3rd or 4th round........unless we can sign a good free agent......one with some size.....for those short yardage situations......

The Pencil Neck
02-02-2009, 02:03 PM
I would pick a rb in 3rd or 4th round........unless we can sign a good free agent......one with some size.....for those short yardage situations......

I think we've had just about enough of free agent running backs for awhile. I think we're going to pick up a RB in the 4th or 5th round unless we trade back in the first and get more picks.

InterestedJeff
02-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Man we need to go after the best Free Safety in Free Agency O.J. Atogwe and draft a head hunting Strong Safety in the 2nd or 3rd round. I am tired of these no name players who get killed every season on the back end of the defense. We need to stop being cheap and bring in some first rate talent in free agency and stop wasting money on these 2nd rate free agents.

my thoughts exactly

eriadoc
02-02-2009, 04:17 PM
The needs list is simple - anything defense. You can't pick a position on defense that we don't need: DE, DT, LB, CB, SS, FS.

Wolf6151
02-02-2009, 04:17 PM
I don't see it this way at all. With Smith, we were running a defense that tried to play halves with the safeties. So, we didn't have a real SS/FS setup. All of our safeties are very similar and most would be considered SS's, I think.

Hopefully, in our new scheme, we'll have a normal safety setup.

And if we do, I think our biggest need is for a free safety not a strong one. I think most of our guys could play a decent SS role but we don't have anyone with the range needed to play a true FS role. So, I'd actually swap these two positions in terms of need.


My list was made in order of importance for this upcoming draft. I agree I think we should go to back traditional SS/FS roles and get one of each. I also think that Eugene Wilson did a decent job, not great, at FS this past year and deserves another year in the position. In order to improve our run defense SS along with SLB should be addressed before FS. I also think that next years group of FS will be much better than this year and we can address FS next year. Hopefully we can trade up and get Eric Berry from Tennessee. JMO.

awtysst
02-02-2009, 06:39 PM
The needs list is simple - anything defense. You can't pick a position on defense that we don't need: DE, DT, LB, CB, SS, FS.

I would also argue that we have need at Center, complimentary RB, and OG. All told thats 9 spots(10 if you include both OLB positions). We need to pursue solid players in FA and draft intelligently seeking BPA (unless its a QB, WR, K, P, or FB). It might be that we go with some offensive players or are able to fill holes in the FA. Hard to say right now though.

thunderkyss
02-02-2009, 08:36 PM
you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.

So who is that serious edge rusher for Arizona??

Brandon420tx
02-02-2009, 09:28 PM
So who is that serious edge rusher for Arizona??

Its supposed to be Betrand Berry... but Dockett has been tearing it up all season

Sal Rosenberg
02-02-2009, 09:57 PM
Are we gonna replace TJ any time soon?

The Pencil Neck
02-02-2009, 10:07 PM
Are we gonna replace TJ any time soon?

This question will be haunting us all offseason until he's either cut or he's made the squad.

I think he makes it on the squad but I don't know if he retains his starter position... unless he picks up his play.

jdog
02-02-2009, 10:53 PM
We need to draft the best defensive player available with each pick unless there's a better offensive lineman (1) or power runner available (1) in the round. We could use improvement at every position, so we should just add more talent, more play makers on the defensive side.

Trail.Blazr
02-03-2009, 09:33 AM
Listening to the local NC radio last night, they were talking panthers, and it was midway through the segment when I tuned in, but the talk was about Peppers being traded away. It's very debatable what compensation the Panthers would be looking for. Their glaring need is to replace a 34 year old QB. I don't know if Houston would ever fall into the mix, but definately an intriguing sign to hear out of the local radio that it's potentially feasible. It could be argued that we'd have to give up a lot to attract Carolina into something, but barring a Hershel Walker type trade, the concept of Mario/Peppers on the ends sure seems like it would change the complexion of the remaining defensive needs. I'm sure Peyton Manning wouldn't approve.

beerlover
02-03-2009, 11:58 AM
So who is that serious edge rusher for Arizona??

glad you asked. Bertrand Berry, from Houston. he was a free agent signed 03-06-04 (inserted date because we're about one month away from free agency, after combine). went to the pro-bowl first season (04) big problem for him has been injurys, has 29.0 sacks in his 43 starts. they also drafted Calais Campbell DE out of Miami in 2nd rd. last draft who is transitioning nicely & should play a much larger role as he develops in the future.

that being said, their primary pass rusher comes from RDT Darnell Dockett, projected DE drafted out of Florida State in the 3rd rd. 6-4 285 but because of injurys he set's up on right side of RG. I'm sure Casserly loved this guy because the Texans went back to the well in 05 selecting Travis Johnson.

so my young apprentice, these are some possible selections-

search NFL free agency
emphasis on FSU Seminoles & SEC speed
identify practice squad prospects of special interest
Texans can address pass rush specialist in 3rd rd. if bpa not there earlier?
carefully check out FA w/injury history
re-define Travis Johnson role, keep or trade him
Bush will clean up scheme, current DL will improve

barrett
02-03-2009, 12:20 PM
I would also argue that we have need at Center, complimentary RB, and OG. All told thats 9 spots(10 if you include both OLB positions). We need to pursue solid players in FA and draft intelligently seeking BPA (unless its a QB, WR, K, P, or FB). It might be that we go with some offensive players or are able to fill holes in the FA. Hard to say right now though.

Diles was leading the team in tackles when he broke his leg. His rehab is on schedule to be 100% by OTA's

Adibi had 14 tackles and 13 solo in the first game he started versus Indy.

If healthy we are not in bad shape. Adibi has not proven he can stay healthy, not his fault but that's the case. Diles however was very solid until his freak practice injury.

I doubt they will be looking to improve both positions. I wouldn't be surprised if we draft a LB with our first pick if it's BPA even if it's someone designed to play inside. It seems apparent to me that it will be DL or LB though with the first pick. There is no S that is good enough to draft that early.

threetoedpete
02-04-2009, 08:51 AM
#1 FA priority is to re-sign Dunta Robinson

in regards to his medical condition the Texans know him better than anyone.

#1 FA priority is to re-sign Dunta Robinson at a reasonable contract and reasonable up front money.

There fixed it.