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Polo
01-28-2009, 08:28 AM
going into next year is...

This is a big year for Matt...If he gets injured again I think he will get labled as being injury prone..

If he has a good year and cuts down on his turnovers I think he can vault himself into the top tier of QB's...

This year is pretty big for Matt...His and Kubiaks careers could take drastic turns in either direction...

bigbrewster2000
01-28-2009, 08:31 AM
Our starting QB.:cool:

Ole Miss Texan
01-28-2009, 09:09 AM
Personally, I think it's a combination of the above.

1st off- Matt has to be able to stay on the field. Take Tom Brady for example, he's not such an elite QB if he can't get back on the field and stay healthy consistently. Matt's got to be out there.

2nd- Assuming he stays healthy, I think he can develop into an extremely good NFL starting QB. I actually think he's very close to being that QB. To me, it seems each season Kubiak is stressing a couple of REALLY important themes during the offseason. Last year it seemed like it was turnovers and penalties. Turnovers were under control, except for QB play. I think Matt has continued to work on this and will this offseason, and we'll see a dramatic improvement. Our defense will be getting better, our offense has really hit stride, and I think we can be an elite team in the next couple years.

I really think Schaubo has what it takes to be a pro bowl QB, but more importantly get us those W's. We saw him last year make those drives late in the game that are needed from true QBs. We havn't just seen his sky high stats when he's "on", we've actually witnessed him develop into a leader of this offense, we've seen the passion and his fight during the game, and we've seen him lead the team to score or put ourselves in a position to score at the end of the game. That's what you need in a franchise QB.

El Tejano
01-28-2009, 09:13 AM
I don't know if this means anything but this thread makes me miss our football team. Offseason sux.

DocBar
01-28-2009, 09:26 AM
Turnovers and injuries define Schaubs career as well as late game drives. He shows a lot of leadership on the field and has a ton of talent. Let's see him put it all together for 16 games a couple of years in a row. By cutting down on the turnovers, Schaub could definitely help the D. By staying healthy and keeping Rosencopter on the bench, he could help the whole team. I just can't seem to let that go.

Polo
01-28-2009, 09:33 AM
I really think Schaubo has what it takes to be a pro bowl QB, but more importantly get us those W's. We saw him last year make those drives late in the game that are needed from true QBs. We havn't just seen his sky high stats when he's "on", we've actually witnessed him develop into a leader of this offense, we've seen the passion and his fight during the game, and we've seen him lead the team to score or put ourselves in a position to score at the end of the game. That's what you need in a franchise QB.

I like Matt as a QB...I think we can win big with him...

At the same time though I worry sometimes about his playmaking ability...I'd like to see him make better decisions when things break down around him...He does extrememly well when "it looks likes its supposed too"....When things break down he tends to be mistake prone though...So I guess my biggest thing with Matt would probably be turnovers...

If he commits just half of the turnovers he had then I don't think his health issues are as magnified...But considering how he got injured it could have been a lot worse...

GP
01-28-2009, 09:34 AM
Has to stay on the field.

He showed signs at the end of the year, signs that he could get rid of the ball before getting creamed. And even when he DID get hit hard, he popped back up.

I wonder if Rosencopter incident is what got him over the top. I think it did. Some think it silly to attribute it to a singular incident, but I think he finally felt like it was HIS team when the debacle happened.

When someone screws up THAT badly, there's a lot of pressure taken off your shoulders. A lot of psychology, IMO.

Hopefully he doesn't relapse at the start of the season and get nailed over and over, especially from the blindside and/or when he's scrambling out of the pocket and holding the ball to the last second trying to find somebody.

Polo
01-28-2009, 09:44 AM
Has to stay on the field.

He showed signs at the end of the year, signs that he could get rid of the ball before getting creamed. And even when he DID get hit hard, he popped back up.

I wonder if Rosencopter incident is what got him over the top. I think it did. Some think it silly to attribute it to a singular incident, but I think he finally felt like it was HIS team when the debacle happened.

When someone screws up THAT badly, there's a lot of pressure taken off your shoulders. A lot of psychology, IMO.

Hopefully he doesn't relapse at the start of the season and get nailed over and over, especially from the blindside and/or when he's scrambling out of the pocket and holding the ball to the last second trying to find somebody.

I hope Matt didn't feel too relieved...This is the NFL and they can both lout of a job if they don't perform...

False Start
01-28-2009, 09:54 AM
"Quarterback Matt Schaub Here!!!"

I think he will round into what many hoped he would be next season. This all depends on the number of cheap shots he can avoid though.

Ole Miss Texan
01-28-2009, 10:47 AM
"Quarterback Matt Schaub Here!!!"

I think he will round into what many hoped he would be next season. This all depends on the number of cheap shots he can avoid though.

That commercial always startles me when I hear it on the radio. For some reason I think the audio output is louder than the other programs so it comes out really loud on my radio... haha makes me laugh everytime.

I was thinking about the shots Schaub has taken while he's been in Houston. They've all been very very hard hits. He gets rid of the ball well, but it leaves him exposed. These hits are towards the head or when they are body shots, its pounding him into the ground. Not just knock down shots but wrap up hard its hitting him into the earth.

With that said something just clicked a couple minutes ago. Schaub was thought to be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick coming out of Virginia, except for one big reason. He was injured, so he dropped to the 3rd round, if I remember correctly. I hate the injuries as much as anyone but always kind of chalked it up to the hard hits and unsportsmanlike hits he's been getting. But coming out of college he was injured too.

Let's hope the injuries and turnovers aren't a problem anymore, for our sake and his.

steelbtexan
01-28-2009, 10:54 AM
Here's the phrase I want to here


Matt Schaub QB of the SUPER BOWL champion HOUSTON TEXANS

It could be a reality in the next 2-3 years if he can stay healthy.

Vinny
01-28-2009, 11:16 AM
a QB starts to come into his own after about 3 years worth of starts....I see a bright future if he can stay on the field.

Hardcore Texan
01-28-2009, 11:18 AM
How about a combination of answers:

If he cuts down on the turnovers AND stays on the field he can become an elite NFL QB. That's how I feel about him. We need him to stay healthy and keep progressing.

El Tejano
01-28-2009, 11:21 AM
a QB starts to come into his own after about 3 years worth of starts....I see a bright future if he can stay on the field.

I know this says alot coming from Vinny. Since 02 I haven't heard him say anything like the statement above with any other QB we've ever trotted on to the field. That's a good sign.

Vinny
01-28-2009, 11:25 AM
I know this says alot coming from Vinny. Since 02 I haven't heard him say anything like the statement above with any other QB we've ever trotted on to the field. That's a good sign.turnovers come with inexperienced QB's and yeah, we haven't had any decent quarterbacking here since day 1 so I'm pretty optimistic about next season since Schaub will have enough starts under his belt to pretty much understand the speed of the game, the experience to know when to throw the ball away instead of making an ill advised pass through a keyhole, and the repercussions of holding the ball too long.

Hooston Texan
01-28-2009, 11:34 AM
That commercial always startles me when I hear it on the radio. For some reason I think the audio output is louder than the other programs so it comes out really loud on my radio... haha makes me laugh everytime.

I was thinking about the shots Schaub has taken while he's been in Houston. They've all been very very hard hits. He gets rid of the ball well, but it leaves him exposed. These hits are towards the head or when they are body shots, its pounding him into the ground. Not just knock down shots but wrap up hard its hitting him into the earth.

With that said something just clicked a couple minutes ago. Schaub was thought to be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick coming out of Virginia, except for one big reason. He was injured, so he dropped to the 3rd round, if I remember correctly. I hate the injuries as much as anyone but always kind of chalked it up to the hard hits and unsportsmanlike hits he's been getting. But coming out of college he was injured too.

Let's hope the injuries and turnovers aren't a problem anymore, for our sake and his.

Schaub had only one injury in his 2.5 years as a starter at Virginia: a separated throwing shoulder the first game of his senior year. He missed two games and struggled somewhat upon his return. The perception was that he did not have as good a year as a senior as he did as a junior.

For a guy like Schaub whose measurables--other than his height and accuracy--are not going to wow anyone, it's all about how he performs in live action. He didn't play as well as a senior, and that hurt him. But he was still the fifth QB taken that year, and three out of the four taken ahead of him--Eli, Rivers and Roethlisberger--have had enormous success so far, justifying their draft positions. The fourth--J.P. Losman--was a dud.

disaacks3
01-28-2009, 11:56 AM
How about a combination of answers:

If he cuts down on the turnovers AND stays on the field he can become an elite NFL QB. That's how I feel about him. We need him to stay healthy and keep progressing.
Pretty much how I felt about it. I don't question his manhood, etc., but we gotta keep him on the field to really evaluate where he is as a QB. We've got to shore up the O-Line to make that possible. The Texans haven't fielded a "good" center for pass-protection in their history.

..that's why, (despite arguments to the contrary in the plus-one thread) I think a really good center could elevate the whole team. Let the Texans mix the run/pass better & keep the Defense rested.

Polo
01-28-2009, 12:27 PM
How about a combination of answers:

If he cuts down on the turnovers AND stays on the field he can become an elite NFL QB. That's how I feel about him. We need him to stay healthy and keep progressing.

Personally I don't thin his injuries are that big of a deal if he protects the ball better when he does start...

If Matt commits half of the turnovers he had then people are salivating for him to come back to the line-up instead of hanging question marks over his head when he does return...

I think Matt and Kubiak are intertwined in more ways than one and probably the biggest way that they are connected is that this season coming up could define (atleast in the short term) how people view their careers...

If Matt has a good season...He will have almost cemented himself as a top QB
If he gets injured or has a bad season, he could be written of just as quickly...

The same things goes for Kubes...8-8 and he may be viewed as a coach that can't get over the hump...If he wins big, he could be thought of a really, really good coach...

Mailman
01-28-2009, 12:50 PM
I don't know if this means anything but this thread makes me miss our football team. Offseason sux.

Palabra.

Wolf
01-28-2009, 01:43 PM
With better OL protection and getting someone other than Slaton that can run the ball . I am hoping he will take less hits and with that, stay on the field more

PapaL
01-28-2009, 03:12 PM
To be an elite Qb you must STAY ON THE FIELD.
To gain experience you must STAY ON THE FIELD.

Goldensilence
01-28-2009, 03:17 PM
Has to stay on the field.

He showed signs at the end of the year, signs that he could get rid of the ball before getting creamed. And even when he DID get hit hard, he popped back up.

I wonder if Rosencopter incident is what got him over the top. I think it did. Some think it silly to attribute it to a singular incident, but I think he finally felt like it was HIS team when the debacle happened.

When someone screws up THAT badly, there's a lot of pressure taken off your shoulders. A lot of psychology, IMO.

Hopefully he doesn't relapse at the start of the season and get nailed over and over, especially from the blindside and/or when he's scrambling out of the pocket and holding the ball to the last second trying to find somebody.

In the end I agreed with we need to have him healthy not because he won't bb labeled injury prone but we reallly need to see what we have in Schaub full time. I think towards the end of last year we saw a more confident Schaub and I think you are right GP on the Rosenchopter incident. Sage can put you in a bind in that he's a pretty darn good backup but sketchy as a starter. It's makes it hard for a young starting QB to establish himself when 1: injuries prevent starts 2: You have a backup trying to push for a starting role.

What is worse is that Sage wasn't blowing Matt out of the water but just enough to make some fans and maybe parts of the team doubt if Matt can go full time. I think however, the whole thing could've been avoided had Sage been traded for the third rounder Minnesota offered us. I think we are also going to have to do something for C and RG. I think Brisiel and Myers are great as backups but can be liabilities as starters, especially inside the redzone.

What I hoping for this offseason is several things:

1. Matt Schaub is entrenched as the starter in the mind of the team fully.
2. With that done Matt can be confident that he doesn't have to play outside himself to KEEP his job and we can see him progress into a top tier type QB. I think his arm strength is going to keep him from being elite though.
3. We do something at C and/or RG one of those 2 IMO needs to be shored up.
4. Slaton is lethal but we need someone to split carries that can keep the running game consistant.

Insideop
01-28-2009, 03:53 PM
Has to stay on the field.

He showed signs at the end of the year, signs that he could get rid of the ball before getting creamed. And even when he DID get hit hard, he popped back up.

I wonder if Rosencopter incident is what got him over the top. I think it did. Some think it silly to attribute it to a singular incident, but I think he finally felt like it was HIS team when the debacle happened.

When someone screws up THAT badly, there's a lot of pressure taken off your shoulders. A lot of psychology, IMO.

Hopefully he doesn't relapse at the start of the season and get nailed over and over, especially from the blindside and/or when he's scrambling out of the pocket and holding the ball to the last second trying to find somebody.

I think Matt's turning point last year was the final drive of the Miami game when he drove the team down the field, with only a couple of minutes left, and scored the game winning TD with about a second left in the game. For me, that's when I really thought we finally had our QB. It just seemed like a defining moment when he crossed the goal line and threw that ball as hard as he could into the wall. :wild: Great game, great drive, and great play!

Texan_Bill
01-28-2009, 04:48 PM
He cuts down on the turnovers and he's a very good QB in the leauge

I wouldn't be ready to go "elite" if he cuts down his turnovers.

PHAROAH
01-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Schaub has the goods just need to get into better shape and cut down on the turnovers.

barrett
01-28-2009, 07:42 PM
I think Matt's turning point last year was the final drive of the Miami game when he drove the team down the field, with only a couple of minutes left, and scored the game winning TD with about a second left in the game. For me, that's when I really thought we finally had our QB. It just seemed like a defining moment when he crossed the goal line and threw that ball as hard as he could into the wall. :wild: Great game, great drive, and great play!

I am well advertised as a big Schaub supporter but that drive always makes me cringe for him because he threw 2 would be picks on that drive and got away with it. The outcome could have been very different. But for the record, I think he's really good. If he had played 32 games to this point we may still be playing football right now. I think he has the potential to be really great. His decision making is already really good and will get better if he continues to progress. Experience should aide him there.

oh yeah, and the phrase that best describes Matt Schaub is at the bottom of my sig.

infantrycak
01-28-2009, 10:25 PM
I am well advertised as a big Schaub supporter but that drive always makes me cringe for him because he threw 2 would be picks on that drive and got away with it. The outcome could have been very different. But for the record, I think he's really good. If he had played 32 games to this point we may still be playing football right now. I think he has the potential to be really great. His decision making is already really good and will get better if he continues to progress. Experience should aide him there.

oh yeah, and the phrase that best describes Matt Schaub is at the bottom of my sig.

Isn't it funny how inches, instincts, talent, etc. define things. Yeah Matt putt passes in tight spots. Isn't that what highlight films are based on? Not making excuses for Schaub at all here but in a broader sense what QB do you want, the one who attempts the throw or the one who won't? Aikman was never considered a Faver'esque passer, but would put passes in places almost nobody else would.

Norg
01-28-2009, 10:37 PM
can he stay on the field thats what i wanna know so farr he has a glass jaw

can he protect the ball him and sage i think both where at the top on INT last year i think

yeah hes a good solid QB but thoes to factors he must get above them IMO next year if we want to see some playoffs

Grams
01-29-2009, 06:32 AM
Matt was ranked 20th in interceptions this year. Far behind Farve, Brees, etc.

Think some are making a bigger deal out of int than should be.

bigbrewster2000
01-29-2009, 08:41 AM
Matt was ranked 20th in interceptions this year. Far behind Farve, Brees, etc.

Think some are making a bigger deal out of int than should be.

A bigger deal is made of it more for his TD to INT ratio me thinks. Had he finished with 25 TD's then his int's wouldnt be spoken of as much. Also he has some ill timed fumbles which add to the turnover count. That said I still like him alot and I dont think these are issues that he cant get a handle on.:texflag:

Hooston Texan
01-29-2009, 01:16 PM
A bigger deal is made of it more for his TD to INT ratio me thinks. Had he finished with 25 TD's then his int's wouldnt be spoken of as much. Also he has some ill timed fumbles which add to the turnover count. That said I still like him alot and I dont think these are issues that he cant get a handle on.:texflag:

The fumbles are his biggest problem, by far. I'm trying to find a stat site that tracks QB fumbles (NFL and espn keep it as a rushing statistic, so I don't think they track sack-fumbles) to see where he rates amongst all QBs, but I presume he's on the high end. That must change because our downfield passing attack requires him to hold the ball longer than most QBs.

As for his picks, he had half of his in the first two games. In his last 8.5 starts, he threw only 5. One of those five was when he was clearly injured and made a bad throw as a result. As much as we throw the ball, we can live with that kind of interception ratio, but 10 in 10.5 games (adding back in the Steeler and first Titan game) is high, though not absurdly so.

His low TD number is partly a function of our deep passing game getting compressed in the redzone. There wasn't a better intermediate-to-deep passing game in the league than ours last year, but we can't run those routes in a short field. And Matt does not have such a cannon that he'd be justified in trying to gun one into too tight a place when we're already assured of a FG.

If Matt can hold onto the ball when he's hit (and avoiding injury in the process), he will be one of the best QBs in the league. No question in my mind.