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YoungTexanFan
01-25-2009, 05:43 PM
This is my initial big board. I will be updating and expanding it as we move along.

1. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
2. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
3. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
4. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
5. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
6. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
8. Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
9. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
10. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
11. Rey Maualuga, LB, Southern California
12. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
13. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
14. Brian Cushing, LB, Southern California
15. Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
16. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
17. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
18. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
19. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
20. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
21. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
22. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
23. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
24. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
25. Everett Brown, OLB, Florida State
26. Alex Mack, OC, California
27. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
28. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
29. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
30. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
32. Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
33. Chase Coffman TE, Missouri
34. Sean Smith, CB, Utah
35. Max Unger, OL, Oregon
36. Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
37. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
38. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
39. Sen’Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
40. Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
41. Clay Matthews, LB, Southern California
42. Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
43. Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
44. Jonathan Luigs, OC, Louisville
45. Maurice Evans, DE, Penn State
46. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
47. Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State
48. Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, Louisiana State
49. Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
50. Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State

bah007
01-25-2009, 07:20 PM
This is my initial big board. I will be updating and expanding it as we move along.

1. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
2. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
3. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
4. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
5. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
6. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
8. Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
9. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
10. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
11. Rey Maualuga, LB, Southern California
12. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
13. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
14. Brian Cushing, LB, Southern California
15. Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
16. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
17. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
18. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
19. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
20. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
21. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
22. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
23. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
24. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
25. Everett Brown, OLB, Florida State
26. Alex Mack, OC, California
27. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
28. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
29. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
30. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
32. Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
33. Chase Coffman TE, Missouri
34. Sean Smith, CB, Utah
35. Max Unger, OL, Oregon
36. Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
37. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
38. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
39. Sen’Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
40. Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
41. Clay Matthews, LB, Southern California
42. Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
43. Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
44. Jonathan Luigs, OC, Louisville
45. Maurice Evans, DE, Penn State
46. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
47. Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State
48. Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, Louisiana State
49. Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
50. Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State

Everyone on here knows you do your research YTF so I only have a few nitpicks. Most of it looks exactly like mine.

Sanchez at 5. I don't know about that one. I like him more than Stafford but I wouldn't draft either in the top five.

Jenkins at 8. I have Jenkins graded as the best CB since Newman. My specialty is the secondary so I have a bias toward those guys, but I would take Jenkins top five.

Pettigrew at 20. This isn't far off of where I have him but still a little low I think. The guy is a third tackle on running plays and an extra WR on passing plays. Complete player.

Raji at 31 is low but you have documented your feelings about him so you likely put him there for a reason.

Jerry is way too low at 37, IMO. I think that guy is a stud. He's nearly in my top 20.

Ringer at 47. I give the guy credit for carrying his team on his back, but 4.2 YPC his senior year is not that great for elite college backs. Greene was in a similar situation offensively and averaged 6.0.

Jean-Francois at 48. He's not in my top 50. He has talent, but he also had a lot of hype coming into this season and got a whopping 3 TFLs in 11 games.

YoungTexanFan
01-25-2009, 07:59 PM
Everyone on here knows you do your research YTF so I only have a few nitpicks. Most of it looks exactly like mine.

Sanchez at 5. I don't know about that one. I like him more than Stafford but I wouldn't draft either in the top five.

Jenkins at 8. I have Jenkins graded as the best CB since Newman. My specialty is the secondary so I have a bias toward those guys, but I would take Jenkins top five.

Pettigrew at 20. This isn't far off of where I have him but still a little low I think. The guy is a third tackle on running plays and an extra WR on passing plays. Complete player.

Raji at 31 is low but you have documented your feelings about him so you likely put him there for a reason.

Jerry is way too low at 37, IMO. I think that guy is a stud. He's nearly in my top 20.

Ringer at 47. I give the guy credit for carrying his team on his back, but 4.2 YPC his senior year is not that great for elite college backs. Greene was in a similar situation offensively and averaged 6.0.

Jean-Francois at 48. He's not in my top 50. He has talent, but he also had a lot of hype coming into this season and got a whopping 3 TFLs in 11 games.
Thanks for the feedback.

I think Sanchez has all of the physical ability to succeed in the NFL. I think a lot of people just haven't watched him much. He comes from a Pro Style offense and has been an accurate passer. He should have stayed another year, but he is the top QB in the draft. I think he is potentially an elite talent, and I think he is a top 5 prospect.

I like Jenkins a lot too. I don't think he is top 5, but he is one hell of a player.

I like Pettigrew as well, and I also like Coffman (though it pains me since he is from MU). Pettigrew is underrated as an offensive threat.

I have Raji there because I just don't like him as a prospect. Something about him just doesn't sit right with me. I feel he is overhyped.

With Jerry, I'm just not a fan. I don't like any of the DT's in this draft. I don't think Jerry is anything special by any means. I wouldn't spend a first rounder on him.

The bottom half of the board is tough to fill out this early. I like Jean-Francois, but I will probably re-adjust this spot. I think he has a lot of potential, but he didn't have a great year. I've never been a huge fan of LSU DL. I had Dorsey rated really low last year as well.

I think Ringer is a lot like Kevin Smith, and I liked Kevin Smith. You bring up a very good point though compared to Green in the same conference. I will likely change that in my next version.

bah007
01-25-2009, 08:17 PM
I like Sanchez. I think he will be a better pro than any of the recent USC QBs (except maybe Palmer).

But he plays on an all star team in a league that emphasises offense. I wouldn't say you have to discount the year he had because of that, but you also have to be aware that his numbers are inflated because of it.

I think he will succeed in the NFL and become a starter. But he will be one of those guys that has to sit a year. I don't like drafting QBs that high unless they can come in NFL ready (Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr,...) It doesn't always work out, but I think you miss less when you go about it that way.

steelbtexan
01-25-2009, 08:39 PM
I have E.Brown & Raji in the top 15 & Johnson & Jerry ranked in the top 25 based on potential.


YTF thanks for the time & research that you put in. It makes for great discussion on the MB

You are right Rey Rey is a playmaker. I would ask Pete Carroll who he would take before I made the pick.

Great Job

YoungTexanFan
01-25-2009, 08:55 PM
I like Sanchez. I think he will be a better pro than any of the recent USC QBs (except maybe Palmer).

But he plays on an all star team in a league that emphasises offense. I wouldn't say you have to discount the year he had because of that, but you also have to be aware that his numbers are inflated because of it.

I think he will succeed in the NFL and become a starter. But he will be one of those guys that has to sit a year. I don't like drafting QBs that high unless they can come in NFL ready (Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr,...) It doesn't always work out, but I think you miss less when you go about it that way.

While it is important to take note of the offense (Harrell) with all QB's, Sanchez has played under center and has all of the physical tools to play in the NFL. It's not a question of "if he works on this" or "if he develops this". He is under the radar nationally if you can believe it because not many people were expecting him to declare. He tore up both Virginia and tOSU early in his only year starting. I think nearly every QB should sit a year initially, but I think Sanchez has everything you look for in a QB.

YoungTexanFan
01-25-2009, 08:59 PM
I have E.Brown & Raji in the top 15 & Johnson & Jerry ranked in the top 25 based on potential.


YTF thanks for the time & research that you put in. It makes for great discussion on the MB

You are right Rey Rey is a playmaker. I would ask Pete Carroll who he would take before I made the pick.

Great Job

You should make a draft board, it's great to get other opinions up here to spur discussion.

Thanks for taking notice of the work I do. I love do work on the draft for this message board.

Insideop
01-26-2009, 12:34 PM
This is my initial big board. I will be updating and expanding it as we move along.

1. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
2. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
3. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
4. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
5. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
6. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
8. Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
9. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
10. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
11. Rey Maualuga, LB, Southern California
12. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
13. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
14. Brian Cushing, LB, Southern California
15. Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
16. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
17. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
18. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
19. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
20. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
21. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
22. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
23. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
24. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
25. Everett Brown, OLB, Florida State
26. Alex Mack, OC, California
27. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
28. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
29. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
30. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
32. Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
33. Chase Coffman TE, Missouri
34. Sean Smith, CB, Utah
35. Max Unger, OL, Oregon
36. Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
37. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
38. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
39. Sen’Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
40. Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
41. Clay Matthews, LB, Southern California
42. Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
43. Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
44. Jonathan Luigs, OC, Louisville
45. Maurice Evans, DE, Penn State
46. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
47. Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State
48. Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, Louisiana State
49. Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
50. Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State

YTF, I see you have Michael Johnson rated pretty high while others have been dropping him. The knock on him, from what I've heard, is he plays lazy or takes plays off. Is there something in him you see that others don't? Just curious.

YoungTexanFan
01-26-2009, 12:39 PM
YTF, I see you have Michael Johnson rated pretty high while others have been dropping him. The knock on him, from what I've heard, is he plays lazy or takes plays off. Is there something in him you see that others don't? Just curious.

This is low comparatively. I've never had him "high". I have him like this because he could be a top notch DE. My list is pretty fluid. I drop guys all the time. Johnson likely won't make my final list, but I think he offers a lot of positives to a team like NYG or PHIL who have proven to develop their DL beyond the physical terms. I don't like him personally, but I feel he will be a good enough DE two years into the NFL.

badboy
01-26-2009, 12:55 PM
YTF could you give me a break down on how you see Orakpo fitting into Texans roster 7 what you see as weakness vs strengths? I want either Raji or Ron Brace to slow down the run but some are saying new Dline coach will not go that way. I think Orakpo had great year this season and could drop and be available in a trade down scenario. Your thoughts? Steve

D-ReK
01-26-2009, 02:11 PM
This is my big board, posted solely for the sake of debate/argument:

1. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
2. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
4. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
5. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
6. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
7. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
8. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
9. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
10. Rey Maualuga, LB, Southern California
11. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
12. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
13. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
14. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
15. Brian Cushing, LB, Southern California
16. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
17. Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State
18. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
19. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
20. Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
21. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
22. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
23. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
24. Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
25. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
26. Max Unger, OL, Oregon
27. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
28. Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
29. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
30. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. Alex Mack, OC, California
32. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
33. Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State
34. Sean Smith, CB, Utah
35. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
36. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
37. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
38. Chase Coffman TE, Missouri
39. Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
40. Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri
41. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
42. Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
43. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
44. Eric Wood, OC, Louisville
45. Clay Matthews, LB, Southern California
46. Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
47. Brandon Lafell, WR, Louisiana State
48. Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
49. Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
50. Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

threetoedpete
01-26-2009, 04:02 PM
This is the best....read most versatile centers to come down the pike maybe in forty years. There'll be more than three go off the board by the fifty pick.

bah007
01-26-2009, 04:30 PM
This is my big board, posted solely for the sake of debate/argument:

1. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
2. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
4. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
5. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
6. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
7. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
8. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
9. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
10. Rey Maualuga, LB, Southern California
11. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
12. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
13. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
14. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
15. Brian Cushing, LB, Southern California
16. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
17. Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State
18. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
19. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
20. Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
21. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
22. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
23. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
24. Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
25. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
26. Max Unger, OL, Oregon
27. D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
28. Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
29. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
30. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. Alex Mack, OC, California
32. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
33. Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State
34. Sean Smith, CB, Utah
35. Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
36. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
37. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
38. Chase Coffman TE, Missouri
39. Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
40. Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri
41. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
42. Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
43. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
44. Eric Wood, OC, Louisville
45. Clay Matthews, LB, Southern California
46. Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
47. Brandon Lafell, WR, Louisiana State
48. Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
49. Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
50. Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

Smith may be a little bit too low. He is pretty much considered consensus top five as far as I know.

As a WR, I am not that high on Harvin. But as a pure athlete, that guy is a stud. I think he can be a Devin Hester type player but with less return TDs and more impact on the offense.

I don't have LaFell that high but with WRs it's almost always a crapshoot outside the top guys.

D-ReK
01-26-2009, 07:00 PM
This is the best....read most versatile centers to come down the pike maybe in forty years. There'll be more than three go off the board by the fifty pick.

I actually agree to a certain extent. I like Luigs, Caldwell, and even AQ Shipley, but there isn't much of a precedent for that many centers to go off the board that highly and it seems to be a position that NFL scouting departments tend to devalue a bit.

Smith may be a little bit too low. He is pretty much considered consensus top five as far as I know.

As a WR, I am not that high on Harvin. But as a pure athlete, that guy is a stud. I think he can be a Devin Hester type player but with less return TDs and more impact on the offense.

I don't have LaFell that high but with WRs it's almost always a crapshoot outside the top guys.

Of the big 4 OTs in this draft, I like Smith the least. That's not to say that he won't go first (I have him going #1 overall in my mock), I just don't think he has the upside of Monroe, Oher, or Smith. That being said, he's not as much of a risk either. The bare minimum for him is a solid RT, but I'm not sure if I see the lateral mobility, agility, and pass blocking skills I'd like to see in a LT.

I agree with you regarding Harvin, and I could see some team like the Raiders falling in love with his big play ability and gambling on him once he impresses at the combine/UF pro day. That being said, I'm not too high on him considering he's undersized, has no true position, is raw, has an injury history, and comes from a school that has had a propensity for producing underachieving WRs in the NFL.

I like LaFell as a prospect because of his size, hands, and ability to get yards after the catch. It's a moot point though since I'm late to the party and just found out that he's returning to LSU for his senior year. I'd probably give his spot in the top 50 to Luigs or maybe Macho Harris or Josh Freeman. I can see some team going crazy for his size and arm strength.

bah007
01-26-2009, 08:56 PM
I have Andre Smith graded as a RT as well. Nothing wrong with that. You usually need both to be successful.

WolverineFan
01-26-2009, 10:27 PM
LaFell is no longer in the draft. He pulled out before the deadline passed.

beerlover
01-27-2009, 10:00 AM
I have Andre Smith graded as a RT as well. Nothing wrong with that. You usually need both to be successful.

Andre Smith could also be a perennial all-pro LG. the right side doesn't get the love unless your QB is a lefty. Pitts & Brown should be much better next year for the Texans, Pitts has developed into one of the best LG's in the NFL. Most people probably don't know that Pitts was a starting LT @ San Diego State, very similar size 6035 320 to Andre Smith 6036 340 :cool:

Blake
01-27-2009, 10:44 AM
Most people probably don't know that Pitts was a starting LT @ San Diego State, very similar size 6035 320 to Andre Smith 6036 340 :cool:

Yeah I remember that. Here is a picture of the Aztecs starting LT. :)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yPWyFZEdY0s/R6sTf8X_S4I/AAAAAAAAByw/RuCiQ23Vp5k/s400/pitts-c.jpg

badboy
01-27-2009, 11:44 AM
Yeah I remember that. Here is a picture of the Aztecs starting LT. :)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yPWyFZEdY0s/R6sTf8X_S4I/AAAAAAAAByw/RuCiQ23Vp5k/s400/pitts-c.jpgfollowing in the foot steps of former Oiler Johnny Dirden, Pitts offered hope and dreams to countless sackers as Dirden offered to ice cream truck drivers.

Trap_Star
01-28-2009, 09:56 PM
YTF, what's your opinion of lawrence sidbury and what round do you see him going?