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TexanSam
01-22-2009, 04:32 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/01/22/mock2/index.html

They have us taking DE Aaron Maybin

The best value in the middle of the round should be at defensive end, where the choice might boil down to Maybin or Florida State's Everette Brown. The Texans need someone opposite Mario Williams who is capable of drawing some attention away from their leading sacker. Maybin is a quality edge rusher, but at 245 pounds he probably needs to get bigger to stay on the field for all three downs.

Second Honeymoon
01-22-2009, 05:02 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/01/22/mock2/index.html

They have us taking DE Aaron Maybin

Yeah, been hearing alot about Maybin. I just want them to take the best defensive player available with their 1st Round.

The smoke will clear a little more after the combine and some of the college workouts.

Wolf6151
01-22-2009, 07:05 PM
I'll pass on Maybin, I'd rather have Everette Brown.

BigBull17
01-22-2009, 10:45 PM
I'll pass on Maybin, I'd rather have Everette Brown.

I agree.

BattleRedToro
01-23-2009, 06:22 AM
I don't see the Packers taking a 4-3 DE like Michael Johnson at #9 if he is even still available there. If they take a defensive player, which they probably will, it will be someone that better fits a 3-4. Perhaps it will be Aaron Maybin or Everette Brown.

TimeKiller
01-23-2009, 07:33 AM
I'd take E. Brown or Vontae Davis before I took Maybin.

Blake
01-23-2009, 07:58 AM
I'd take E. Brown or Vontae Davis before I took Maybin.

I agree 100%. But having a choice of Davis, Brown or Maybin is not a bad problem to have.

Obviously if we keep Dunta then its down to Brown and Maybin.

HoustonFrog
01-23-2009, 08:25 AM
Anyone else disappointed we have to take D-Line again....or there is a good possibility?I just don't like taking these guys middle of first. To me the first, for a team like ours, should be a time to take best player at any of the needs. Excuse me for not doing my crazy research yet..its early..but I'd rather go for a MLB to push Ryans to the outside or a Safety or DB. Definitely not DT. Maybe I'm just skittish about D-linemen and Florida St....thanks Travis:)

Blake
01-23-2009, 08:49 AM
Anyone else disappointed we have to take D-Line again....or there is a good possibility?I just don't like taking these guys middle of first. To me the first, for a team like ours, should be a time to take best player at any of the needs. Excuse me for not doing my crazy research yet..its early..but I'd rather go for a MLB to push Ryans to the outside or a Safety or DB. Definitely not DT. Maybe I'm just skittish about D-linemen and Florida St....thanks Travis:)

I am dissapointed that we are taking about getting another DT in the first round. A DE on the other hand is needed when we drop Weaver and his huge salary. Mario will be better once he has a player on the other side that can get after the QB.

threetoedpete
01-23-2009, 01:57 PM
I'll pass on Maybin, I'd rather have Everette Brown.

Maybin is your outside linebacker canadate. You'll have to come back in the second if you took him at fifteen and take a first step guy like Sidbury. Maybin has an Elite first step. and he can run....whether or not he can flip his hips and cover we're going to find out next month. Brown's has been more productive no doubt.

Marcus
01-23-2009, 04:59 PM
Anyone else disappointed we have to take D-Line again....

Not at all, and you are not focusing on the big picture if you keep staring at Travis Johnson. Stop looking at him. :)

This team needs a consistant pass rush. They don't have that, and they've never had that, and until they get it, you can forget about them staking the next step.

If the D-line is not getting it done, you draft and draft and draft and draft and draft, and then you draft some more until you get it right. When this team gets a pass rush, a consistant pass rush, . . . I said a consistant pass rush, you'll find out then how good the linebackers, and DBs are.

Blake
01-23-2009, 05:56 PM
Not at all, and you are not focusing on the big picture if you keep staring at Travis Johnson. Stop looking at him. :)

This team needs a consistant pass rush. They don't have that, and they've never had that, and until they get it, you can forget about them staking the next step.

If the D-line is not getting it done, you draft and draft and draft and draft and draft, and then you draft some more until you get it right. When this team gets a pass rush, a consistant pass rush, . . . I said a consistant pass rush, you'll find out then how good the linebackers, and DBs are.

I dont understand what you are saying. Football is a team game. All 11 players along with the coaches, and the scheme have to do their part to make it a success. If you want to scapegoat the D line then have at it. Draft Dlinemen until you can rotate 8 first round picks in if you want.

I think you have the talent up front. You have a stud DE, 2 first round pick tackles and a couple of promising players like Robinson. After that the only high round players we have drafted are Demeco and Dunta. Share the wealth.

The Pencil Neck
01-23-2009, 06:38 PM
Anyone else disappointed we have to take D-Line again....or there is a good possibility?I just don't like taking these guys middle of first. To me the first, for a team like ours, should be a time to take best player at any of the needs. Excuse me for not doing my crazy research yet..its early..but I'd rather go for a MLB to push Ryans to the outside or a Safety or DB. Definitely not DT. Maybe I'm just skittish about D-linemen and Florida St....thanks Travis:)


I'm disappointed that we haven't already gotten the right guys.

BUT.

If that's the best player available that meets our needs, then I'm fine with doing it.

And if the guy we draft doesn't do well but we continue to get great production from our guys in the later rounds, that's OK as long as we start racking up some wins. :)

pappy
01-23-2009, 09:52 PM
At the fifteenth pick in the draft we do not need a project we need a player to be an impact player first year . That means no de to learn lb spots it means only studs need apply .

TexanSam
01-23-2009, 09:54 PM
At the fifteenth pick in the draft we do not need a project we need a player to be an impact player first year . That means no de to learn lb spots it means only studs need apply .

We'll get a good player in all likelihood, but the chance of getting a "stud" at the 15th pick in probably unlikely. All the studs are taken in the top 7 or 8 picks

Honoring Earl 34
01-23-2009, 09:59 PM
We'll get a good player in all likelihood, but the chance of getting a "stud" at the 15th pick in probably unlikely. All the studs are taken in the top 7 or 8 picks

I don't know , who was the best player in the 2002 draft ?

TexanSam
01-23-2009, 10:01 PM
I don't know , who was the best player in the 2002 draft ?

I didn't say it was impossible

Honoring Earl 34
01-23-2009, 10:08 PM
I didn't say it was impossible

I know I was playing .

I think you have some workout warriors that go higher than the really good players . I think that's why alot of high picks don't pan out .

In the 2002 draft Peppers was picked 2nd , Fat Albert 15th , Ed Reed I think 20th .

TexanSam
01-23-2009, 10:17 PM
I know I was playing .

I think you have some workout warriors that go higher than the really good players . I think that's why alot of high picks don't pan out .

In the 2002 draft Peppers was picked 2nd , Fat Albert 15th , Ed Reed I think 20th .

I wonder how much of it is overanalyzing the players? Teams research hundreds upon hundreds of hours for the draft and you figure they know what they're doing, but I'm sure they out think themselves at times.

Marcus
01-23-2009, 11:58 PM
I dont understand what you are saying. Football is a team game. All 11 players along with the coaches, and the scheme have to do their part to make it a success. If you want to scapegoat the D line then have at it. Draft Dlinemen until you can rotate 8 first round picks in if you want.

I think you have the talent up front. You have a stud DE, 2 first round pick tackles and a couple of promising players like Robinson. After that the only high round players we have drafted are Demeco and Dunta. Share the wealth.

Obviously we DON'T have the talent up front, or we'd have a pass rush, which we don't. Just because we have 3 first round picks on the D-line already, doesn't mean we have a pass rush. We don't!

Get that defensive end. Get rid of the deadwood 1st round bust Travis Johnson, and deadwood flop of a free agent Earl Weaver, and get the right people on that line that can get the job done.

This "sharing the wealth" just for the sake of sharing the wealth is misguided. It's not fashionable these days to quote . . . but it's just as accurate and true as it ever was.

"It all starts up front."

LonerATO
01-24-2009, 02:41 AM
I would love to see us trade Weaver to a needy 3-4 team. If we cant get a deal with Dunta then F tag him and include it into a trade package for said 3-4 teams 1st and go after Davis and a DE. I know that wouldnt happen at all , but hey it would give us a D-line man worth something and another 1st rd CB. I also would like to take a run at Elvis Dumervil since the Broncos are going for a 3-4 and he could play OLB in that D or DE in our 4-3, but we could also trade Weaver for him.

BattleRedToro
01-24-2009, 07:44 AM
I would love to see us trade Weaver to a needy 3-4 team. If we cant get a deal with Dunta then F tag him and include it into a trade package for said 3-4 teams 1st and go after Davis and a DE. I know that wouldnt happen at all , but hey it would give us a D-line man worth something and another 1st rd CB. I also would like to take a run at Elvis Dumervil since the Broncos are going for a 3-4 and he could play OLB in that D or DE in our 4-3, but we could also trade Weaver for him.

Something that must be considered when talking about trades is that both teams must want to make the trade for it to happen.

Having said that, tell me who is going to trade for Anthony Weaver, especially when you consider his contract?

I'll answer it for you. No one.

Likewise, the Texans do not want to trade Dunta.

Here you have a player, Dunta, that has always been well liked by his teammates and looked to as a leader, that worked so hard to be able to come back from a devastating injury to help the team as soon as he possibly could, and you are going to reward his effort by trading him away.

That would destroy the locker room.

Thankfully, this is not the manner in which the Texans organization is run. On the contrary, when a Texan performs well and comes up for free agency or is getting close to becoming a free agent, the Texans orginization pays them well.

That sends a message: Perform well and the orginizatin will take care of you.

That's the kind of message you want to send your players, for it inspires them to perform their best, which in turn leads to the team winning.

:texflag:

Maddict5
01-24-2009, 08:42 AM
umm sorry to break it to you but weaver has no trade value

thunderkyss
01-24-2009, 09:19 AM
I believe Weaver's trade value was the reason he said it would have to be with a 3-4 team. No 4-3 team other than the Houston Texans would be interested in him at all. Possibly a 3-4 team would think he may be a diamond in the rough.

He also mentions signing Dunta, then packaging Dunta with Weaver, to make that trade more inticing.

However, for that to work for the Texans, it would have to be a "trade away from Houston" friendly contract, and I can't see that with the franchise tag.

Now we all agree that we paid way too much for Weaver. IMHO, his contract was the last mistake by the Casserly regime..... it was the first contract he authored with Kubiak as our headcoach. We've not signed any similarly bad contracts since then. Hopefully, we won't ever again.

We've got scouts employed by the Houston Texans, who should have a very, very good idea of what a player can bring to our team, and what that contribution should be worth to our team.

No we can all agree that there are questions as to Weaver's worth to this team. Some says he doesn't bring what his contract demands. He has no sacks to speak of. All he does is tie up blockers.

But when we signed him, he immediately became the veteran presence and influence of our front four. He is our anchor, our mentor, and our "leader" on the D-Line.

So it is with Dunta. He isn't and never has been a "Cover Corner". He is a sure tackler, and he is/was the best CB in run support.

His biggest and best contribution is in the locker room & on the sidelines.

Our pesonel department has to determine what that is worth to the team.

To franchise him, you've got to put him on the field, more times than not..... like Weaver.

Unless we go to a primarily a nickel package, I can't see that happening. I can't see putting him ahead of Reeves(who has been our best corner since we lost Glen) or Bennet(who we hope to be much improved). Then we've got Molden who also shows some promise.

Don't get me wrong, I still hope we draft a Corner in the first round. A starter. While I think our best corners are Reeves & Bennett, I don't believe we have a #1 on this team. With or without Dunta.

& I in no way want to jepordize our ability to sign one, by overpaying for a cheerleader.

WolverineFan
01-24-2009, 05:47 PM
There is no market for Weaver. You can't be a "diamond in the rough" when you are almost 30, making north of $4 million a year, and don't perform on the field. The only way to get rid of him is to cut him and take the cap hit or bury him on the depth chart and let him walk when the contract runs out. There are to many other free agents out there to go after for a team to try and trade for Weaver, when he has no upside.

LonerATO
01-24-2009, 06:19 PM
SI says that Dunta could be a FA


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/22/senior.bowl.day4/index.html

GP
01-24-2009, 06:29 PM
umm sorry to break it to you but weaver has no trade value

Possibly the worst player to have on our roster, considering his salary and lack of trade value.

This might be right up there with Ahman Green or Eric Moulds.

GP
01-24-2009, 06:37 PM
Not at all, and you are not focusing on the big picture if you keep staring at Travis Johnson. Stop looking at him. :)

This team needs a consistant pass rush. They don't have that, and they've never had that, and until they get it, you can forget about them staking the next step.

If the D-line is not getting it done, you draft and draft and draft and draft and draft, and then you draft some more until you get it right. When this team gets a pass rush, a consistant pass rush, . . . I said a consistant pass rush, you'll find out then how good the linebackers, and DBs are.

Yeah, this line of thinking has done wonders for the Lions' WR situation.

We have to go BPA on defense regardless of what position it is. If that's a Safety, take him. If that's a LB, take him. If that's a CB, take him. If it's a DL, take him. But I don't want us taking a DL just because we want to get cute and try to have all first-rounders on the line.

Take the guy still available, on defense, who is BPA.

Marcus
01-24-2009, 09:52 PM
We have to go BPA on defense regardless of what position it is. If that's a Safety, take him. If that's a LB, take him. If that's a CB, take him. If it's a DL, take him. But I don't want us taking a DL just because we want to get cute and try to have all first-rounders on the line.

Take the guy still available, on defense, who is BPA.

I'll go along with that. But if the BPA is a DL, you take him. You don't concern yourself about the fact that you got 1st rounders there already, or you're not "sharing the wealth".

I'm sure the front office won't concern themselves with that, but I can hear all the crying already if they take another DL, just mark my word.

beerlover
01-24-2009, 10:14 PM
It would seem the Texans are still a team in transition. the offense looks fixed basicly with key addtions always needed for depth & improvement, but changes are now coming from the defensive side & the coaching changes will be the key factor driving this transition.

We have our key DL player in Mario. the Texans need to lock him up to a big fat long term contract & thats a huge well deserved chunk of salary cap.

DeMeco is also in the same boat, equally valued he should also be taken care of long term.

Dunta Robinson will be a free agent unless the two sides can agree on a new contract. I hope this happens.

Looking @ ball park off the wall numbers thats gotta be close to 30 million a year for three players on defense alone. the only area on defense that has been neglected is the safety position. what has been the Texans total investment here? no #1's I can tell you that... CC Brown the stater until hurt is a free agent do the Texans re-sign him & how much is he worth? the rest are all un restricted free agent signees, or late round picks. pretty plain to see the major element missing from this defense is at the Safety position so yeah I do think it matters, it matters alot. that being said you should never let it force your hand but I think their are some nice additions that can be made to really help this team transition into a more intimdating, aggressive defensive force to be reckon'ed with :cool:

ChampionTexan
01-24-2009, 10:35 PM
We have our key DL player in Mario. the Texans need to lock him up to a big fat long term contract & thats a huge well deserved chunk of salary cap.

DeMeco is also in the same boat, equally valued he should also be taken care of long term.


Demeco and Mario aren't in the same boat.

Mario signed a 6-year contract when he came out, so we have him locked up until after the 2011 season. I'm sure we'll want to renew him a year or two early, but three years is too soon - even for someone like Mario (Especially when he's already making #1 pick money) (And even more especially when a year from now, you'll be dealing with an uncapped year and/or a new CBA).

DeMeco's a completely different story - he's up after next year. I know that getting him re-upped this offseason is one of the highest priorities for Smith and Kubiak - just as it should be.