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Boxscore
01-09-2005, 08:03 PM
What did Randy Moss do that was so classless that Fox was sorry that they showed it. It was something that he did after his second TD catch.

AndreJ
01-09-2005, 08:07 PM
What did Randy Moss do that was so classless that Fox was sorry that they showed it. It was something that he did after his second TD catch.

He acted as if he pulled his pants down and mooned the Packer fans. They're just overreacting. Doesn't suprise me.

kbourda
01-09-2005, 08:08 PM
Nothing. All he did was did a pretend act of him "mooning" the crowd.

Boxscore
01-09-2005, 08:15 PM
I just saw a replay of it. Classless, but what does anyone expect from Randy Moss. I didn't see any reason for Fox to make such a big deal about it.

beerlover
01-09-2005, 08:37 PM
I doubt if they showed a replay, you had to see it live (rubbed his hind loins on the goal post in a degrading fashion). I would suspend him for a game, I know that gives the Vikings zero chance but until the Coach (Tice) can pull in the reigns this type of lude, inexcusable behavior will contiue. Sorry Vikings fans but your team comes off like a bunch of thugs & I really like Dunta Culpepper too :thud:

Errant Hothy
01-09-2005, 08:41 PM
WOW, talk about overreacting. How many of y'all were this outraged over what Jake Plummer did?

beerlover
01-09-2005, 08:42 PM
WOW, talk about overreacting. How many of y'all were this outraged over what Jake Plummer did?

overreacting :loser

aj.
01-09-2005, 08:51 PM
Anyone else see when it was 17-0 and there was a shot of Moss on the sideline and he was giving it to the Packers fans? (I'm sure they were giving it to him too). It was easy to lip read. He pointed to the scoreboard in the background and said "look at the MF'n scoreboard!" Tonight's act was no big deal as far as I'm concerned. As far as Buck and the other's comments, Fox getting on the morals soapbox is a joke.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-09-2005, 08:51 PM
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Errant Hothy
01-09-2005, 08:53 PM
overreacting :loser

Please...

Did he act like he was going ot hurt anybody? No
Did he act like he was going ot kill anybody? No
Did he do anything sexual in nature? No
Did he do anything to disrespect the country? No

Is what he did worse then whay Plummer did, when he shot the bird to his hometown fans? NO!

beerlover
01-09-2005, 09:08 PM
Please...

Did he act like he was going ot hurt anybody? No
Did he act like he was going ot kill anybody? No
Did he do anything sexual in nature? No
Did he do anything to disrespect the country? No

Is what he did worse then whay Plummer did, when he shot the bird to his hometown fans? NO!

yeah if he did his career would really be over, whats your point :confused:

AndreJ
01-09-2005, 09:09 PM
you need to grow up (16)

there is nothing funny about being disrespectfull or haven't you learned that in school yet

No you need to wake up and come out of whatever little whole it is you're living in. I've seen worse things on Sunday morning cartoons or on dance floors. Unless your goal is to make the world a better place you should shut your mouth.

DuntaRobinson23
01-09-2005, 09:10 PM
i thought it was funny. People are getting all butthurt from a celebration. The guy is having fun, he didnt cause any harm. :disco:

Errant Hothy
01-09-2005, 09:12 PM
Answer me this, who was worse Randy Moss or Jake Plummer?

Was Moss being childish? Hell yes. Are people over reacting? Yes.

Do you need to grow up, just like Moss, for bashing somebody about their age? Yes

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-09-2005, 09:13 PM
Answer me this, who was worse Randy Moss or Jake Plummer?

Was Moss being childish? Hell yes. Are people over reacting? Yes.

Do you need to grow up, just like Moss, for bashing somebody about their age? Yes





very good points

texansfan88
01-09-2005, 09:59 PM
you need to grow up (16)

there is nothing funny about being disrespectfull or haven't you learned that in school yet
Yeah...I'm 16?

OzzO
01-09-2005, 10:38 PM
Personally, I thought it was pretty funny. Just playing the game and having some fun with it.

If he would have done that in our house, yeah we would've been screaming our friggin heads off on it... but in the end (um... yeah) it's just all in fun.

By the way.. I don't wanna grow up.... just means I gotta be more p.c. :neener:

wags
01-09-2005, 10:41 PM
Fox getting on the morals soapbox is a joke.

So I take it you've never seen "Who's your Daddy."

FILO_girl
01-10-2005, 12:55 AM
No, you were deleted because you are calling everyone names and using vulgar language.

If you want your posts to stand you won't call the other members names and you respect the fact that this is a family forum.

I've already told you we will not host race discussions here. I don't know why you keep re-posting this as a race issue.

What he is so mad at is the fact that another poster was allowed to post racial trash and when he tried to rebut this trash, he was PM'd about how he posted (and it was demeaning, you don't talk down to a 42 yr old man) and it didn't sit well with him. This other poster took on SEVERAL people on this issue but it was Doc who got it in the rear oriface.

He is not at all happy with Randy Moss or with some trash a certain poster was allowed to type on for THREE pages. He seldom posts and this topic fired him up. If you are so concerned about the family appeal of the board, then you needed to nip the original poster in the bud before it went on to this.

FILO_Doc
01-10-2005, 12:55 AM
No I don't think it is a racial thing and PLEASE show me where I used vulgar language and called everyone names!!!!!!!!!!! All I did was call out another poster, who, (in my opinion) was a toatal racist. My objective is not to start a racial war, but, if someone else plays that card I am going to respond.

Did you see thirdeyebc32 using foul language in their earlier posts on the same thread??????????

FILO_girl
01-10-2005, 01:25 AM
Why do you assume you were the only one PM'ed? You weren't. Follow the rules and you don't have a problem.


How is that? I didn't do anything but wipe all the posts with name calling and that were overtly racial. Again. why do you think you were the only one?

The first post was less than 4 hours ago. I wasn't here. Tell me, how do I wipe posts I don't yet see?


You really want to drag me into this rodeo Vinny? Not a wise idea.
I have no idea why you are sending me the PMs you are sending Doc. I am not his Mama.

I don't care who you PM'd. I tried to explain the situation and you call me out on the board now. This is funny. I wasn't going to jump on this ride but you had to drag me along so now you get to deal with me too. I have no idea why you want to, but it is your choice. Here I am. Cowboy up.

If you can't keep control of your posters, you may want to try finding another mod to help in your absence. Most other boards have more than 1 or 2 mods.

I never bent the rules. Why would you insinuate that I did? Good try, wrong answer. If you have a problem with Doc please do not bring it to me. I may sleep with him but he does have a brain of his own and uses it at will. I don't have to monitor his moves.

Now stop all this nonsense with me. Take it to Doc.

Dime
01-10-2005, 01:32 AM
WOW, talk about overreacting. How many of y'all were this outraged over what Jake Plummer did?

Ok... Plummer was somthing different... He had just made a poor play and had people heckling him for it... He made a quick and emotional reaction. Poor decision.

Moss scored, sought out the goal to do his action. classless. Quite different.

Dime
01-10-2005, 01:48 AM
Hmmmm La - Ouch

People.... cant we all just get along.


Sounds like emotions are getting into this. Sooo let me sum it up for everyone...

Moss and Plummer were bad boys.

Vinny is the mod and sometimes needs to make decisions (which he suppose to do and has to do, even if some of us might not agree)

I still need a million dollars

Some people might take things said the wrong way because this is typed and unless you are very clear, things can be taken the wrong way without the intent.

Pickles come in many shapes and sizes.

2005 will be the year we go to the playoffs

Steve McKinney lives in a different world then we do ("Top 10 offensive line").

And Dime is the best looking guy out of all of you... :rofl:

WWJD
01-10-2005, 08:38 AM
I learned all I needed to know about Randy Moss a few weeks ago when he went to the locker room before the game was over because he was mad and his team was losing.

He's a great player but the guy has a pea sized brain. :loser

redlion
01-10-2005, 09:35 AM
well i agree, moss has great ability but as a person he comes off as scum. but what he did yesterday to the fans i thought was funny and found nothing wrong with it. its his rivals home crowd you gotta show them up. it's not like he really pulled his pants off and mooned them. had it been favre doing the same in minny i bet everyone would be laughing and loving it. I agree with most of the posters, just an overreaction by fox.

Joe Texan
01-10-2005, 10:05 AM
Personally I am more P'd off at Dru Bennet than anything else. So Randy Just pulled a Bennet with his arse.

TheOgre
01-10-2005, 10:11 AM
Randy Moss is the best WR in the league (and perhaps ever) but he makes some unwise decisions. He is immature in many ways. What surprises me is how shocked people get by his actions. It is the equivalent to being surprised when a gambling addict places a large bet and loses. What is the big surprise here?

TexasLexus
01-10-2005, 10:23 AM
He's always stirring the pot. He should be fined, nothing more, nothing less.

He got what he wanted - attention. Every sports message board around the country is buzzing about it. A fine is all he should get.

Did Plummer get fined?

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog :boxing:

FILO_girl
01-10-2005, 11:28 AM
I saw you here with him. I'm guilty of over-explaining. I tend to view you guys as a team, and I thought you wanted answers. My bad. I figured that if I was open and up front you guys would be appreciative. I was wrong, I'm sorry.

I'm not calling you out. I answered your post (c-above). I PM'ed you guys to show you why there were issues with the posts.....Just like I did with AndreJ. We have 13 of them. Take a look (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showgroups.php?). ArlingtonTexan, Erratic Assassin, Fiddy, gwallaia, Hervoyel, LonghornBabe, Lucky, Mischief, Mistril48, SassyTexan, Khari, Vinny, infantrycak all help moderate this place. You honestly think that we do a poor job Moderating this message board? Perhaps I am alone in thinking this but I feel our Moderators do an outstanding job keeping this environment civil and family oriented. That's because we have a large group made up of our own fans working under the same set of criteria all working hard to keep this place decent for everyone. You don't see a bunch of trolls or many random posts where everyone is insulting everyone else and running off the decent folks.

It's also Sunday night. Most people are not on the board, and not everything gets attended to the instant it hits the board. There will be times where things sit here for hours that end up getting wiped out due to being unacceptable. There are also times when we read a post and it doesn't register as inflammatory but we delete it later after discussing it or re-assessing it. In addition to that, we are just going to miss some stuff from time to time (the board has nearly 70 thousand posts). Finally, we get to the problems as fast as possible. I don't know how we could be quicker or more efficient.

You see it your way, I see it mine. I don't need a laundry list of mods. If you feel your coverage is adequate, fine. You are the one all defensive over not being here and I just pointed out an obvious solution. I am not looking for a detailed explanation on how you run your board.

I didn't want any part of your little war with Doc. Guilt by association at work. Hopefully you two have this ironed out now. And I can be left alone from it once and for all.

Errant Hothy
01-10-2005, 11:33 AM
He's always stirring the pot. He should be fined, nothing more, nothing less.

He got what he wanted - attention. Every sports message board around the country is buzzing about it. A fine is all he should get.

Did Plummer get fined?

Yes, Plummer got a fine, which I'll bet Moss's will be bigger. And would we all be acting this way if Buck hadn't droned on and on and on about the celebration? Even more damning, and showing how people are overreacting, Moss was caught several times, several, yelling MF'er to the crowd; why isn't anybody screaming about that?

Is Moss a good guy? No. Am I glad Casserley said he wouldn't want Moss on the Texans? Yes. Were the endzone antics worse then the old NBA throat slash, plummer firing the bird in Denver, the Pacers-Pistons incident, Reggie White's comments, Mad Max attacking a fan or Barkley throwing somebody through a window? No.

Just trying to put things in perspective.

FILO_girl
01-10-2005, 11:58 AM
I have a question.
Isn't there an Excessive Celebration rule? What is the threshold for this ruling to be deemed? Isn't it for this type of behavior? :hmmm:

Errant Hothy
01-10-2005, 12:05 PM
If you mean the 15 yard penalty, a player can celebrate as long as he does it alone, and dosn't use props or something along those lines (TO didn't get any flags this year, if I recall. Nor did Faggins for jumping/standing in the stands on Battle Red day); if I recall. As for fines, thats all the league offices call.

Porky
01-10-2005, 12:13 PM
I was shocked that a flag wasn't thrown for unsportsmanlike conduct. I am equally shocked at the reaction on this board. The coarsening of our culture continues unabated.

I would like to publicly say that in general, I think the moderators do a GREAT job on this board. I have been censured myself, so I say that having been on that end as well. While they aren't without fault, this board is run in an excellent manner. Sometimes our emotions get the best of all of us, and we say or write something that goes over the bounds of common decency, or is morally repungnant. If anyone remembers the chaos of the old board, they certainly would not be critical of this one. I think there probably should be a place for an adult, no-holds barred, say anything MB, but the Texans website is NOT the place for it. It's easy to be the hunter, but not so easy to be the prey. Let's try putting ourselves in other's shoes before we speak.

Double Barrel
01-10-2005, 12:54 PM
I thought what Moss did was funny. Classless? Sure! But I'm a fan of South Park, so I find a lot of classless things to be darn funny! :D

Moss is one of the best WR in the NFL, but definitely not the best (probably TO if I had to name one). But that is only talking about his natural talent. If you had to rate Moss on attitude, he would rank somewhere with the catfish - ON THE BOTTOM. Dude has the worst attitude and work ethic than anyone I've seen in football.

ps. I think the mods do a great job on this board, and I've been a member of many, many forums over the years, so I've seen it all. This is one of the best boards around. Great job, folks! :)

JustBonee
01-10-2005, 02:11 PM
I believe the people most upset yesterday with Randy Moss, and his stupid attention getting tricks are Packer fans. Simply because they lost.
These talented, and very attention grabbing players will continue to irritate.
Give them their penalties/fines .. and keep on talking about it .. they love it!!
Fuel that fire. Your frustration only makes them want to keep it up.

I could be like DB and a little warped ..maybe I watch too much South Park too. :wacko:
I enjoyed the Vikings win despite Moss' display.

Blu
01-10-2005, 02:24 PM
He just needs to watch his back next year in Green Bay. PAYBACK!

I tought it was funny and doesn't deserve a fine or suspension.
I enjoy all the TD dances and dises!
Times have changed, get used to it! :BananaWav

Porky
01-10-2005, 02:31 PM
So, I guess what the majority here is saying is to simply ignore rude, boorish, classless behavior? Sorry, but when I see something that is offensive, or worse, I'll comment on it, as will most. If this guy did this in most other public places, we would find himself in a fight at best, and arrested at worst. Why do we accept this kind of behavior? Just because others do outragous things doesn't excuse Moss. That is a very weak argument. Or, as Mama used to say - two wrongs don't make a right.

PS - I am not a Packer fan. I am a fan of common deceny, which seems to be in short supply.

FILO_Doc
01-10-2005, 02:38 PM
You were the one that suggessted we have more than 2. I was pointing out that we had more than 2. I don't bring it up unless you question it.

Responding to your post isn't getting defensive....it's responding to your post. You are pointing out a solution of adding mods. We have more than the 2 you thought we had. I was just setting the record straight for all.
There is no war. There were posts deleted and I explained what we were doing.


CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG TOGETHER. WHY DON'T YOU 2 GO SMOKE A CLOVE CIGGARETTE AND HAVE A NICE WARM CUP OF HERBAL TEA :howdy:

infantrycak
01-10-2005, 02:39 PM
I believe the people most upset yesterday with Randy Moss, and his stupid attention getting tricks are Packer fans.

One of the NFL head coaches--Dungy I think--said there is evidently a tradition in Green Bay of fans mooning the Vikings' player bus on the way out of the stadium. Doesn't make what Moss did right, but gives a little context.

FILO_Doc
01-10-2005, 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FILO_girl
You see it your way, I see it mine. I don't need a laundry list of mods.

You were the one that suggessted we have more than 2. I was pointing out that we had more than 2. I don't bring it up unless you question it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FILO_girl
If you feel your coverage is adequate, fine. You are the one all defensive over not being here and I just pointed out an obvious solution. I am not looking for a detailed explanation on how you run your board.

Responding to your post isn't getting defensive....it's responding to your post. You are pointing out a solution of adding mods. We have more than the 2 you thought we had. I was just setting the record straight for all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FILO_girl
I didn't want any part of your little war with Doc.

There is no war. There were posts deleted and I explained what we were doing.
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CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. WHY DON'T YOU 2 GO SMOKE CLOVE CIGARETTE AND DRINK SOME HERBAL TEA. THEN WHEN YOU ARE RELAXED YOU CAN KISS AND MAKE UP :howdy:

wags
01-10-2005, 03:02 PM
I could be like DB and a little warped ..maybe I watch too much South Park too. :wacko:

It's not possible to watch too much South Park.

South Park

"genetic engineering helps us correct God's horrible mistakes, like German people."

JustBonee
01-10-2005, 03:13 PM
One of the NFL head coaches--Dungy I think--said there is evidently a tradition in Green Bay of fans mooning the Vikings' player bus on the way out of the stadium. Doesn't make what Moss did right, but gives a little context.
I had to go check that out since I hadn't heard about it. Thanks ...

Does put things in a new light, doesn't it? ..funny
As old Paul Harvey would say .. "and the rest of the story" .....


Tice added he always thought of Green Bay fans as having "a tremendous amount of class" but that he didn't think they acted that way Sunday.

Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said he saw Moss' action and, "I thought it was kind of humorous."

"It's not the kind of thing you want to see on national TV, but I understand what it was all about," he said.

"Anyone who has played in the NFC Central knows what that's about. The fans in Green Bay have a tradition in the parking lot after the game where they moon the visiting team's bus," he said. "It's kind of a unique send-off."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/10/sports1407EST0228.DTL

JustBonee
01-10-2005, 03:16 PM
It's not possible to watch too much South Park.

South Park

"genetic engineering helps us correct God's horrible mistakes, like German people."
Thanks for the vote of confidence wags. I feel better now.. :bouncey:

Errant Hothy
01-10-2005, 03:23 PM
So, I guess what the majority here is saying is to simply ignore rude, boorish, classless behavior? Sorry, but when I see something that is offensive, or worse, I'll comment on it, as will most. If this guy did this in most other public places, we would find himself in a fight at best, and arrested at worst. Why do we accept this kind of behavior? Just because others do outragous things doesn't excuse Moss. That is a very weak argument. Or, as Mama used to say - two wrongs don't make a right.

PS - I am not a Packer fan. I am a fan of common deceny, which seems to be in short supply.

He PRETENDED to moon the fans. So since this offends you so, am I safe to assume you've never mooned anyone in your life, or even pretended to moon somebody. I've mooned several people (wondering if it's something I should be admitting), and I never got in a fight over it, never been arrested and never felt indecent afterwards.

My biggest problem is that people/the networks/this MB erupt over something this minor when there have been/are greater acts of rude, classless behaviour in the league. I mean the networks ran the snot out of Plummer flipping the bird, the MNF Desperate Housewives opening and the Pacers-Pistons brawl. And thats just covering the sports world. But the second a palyer pretends to do something generaly regarded as a harmless, child like prank the grow a new set of morals.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-10-2005, 03:40 PM
No skin was shown and it didn't cost his team 15 yards. That's all that matters.

SESupergenius
01-10-2005, 03:47 PM
i think the way that he did was funny, it really didn't affend me just like when Plummer flipped the bird. He didn't moon anyone because the proper way to moon someone is for you to show your bare a**. :moon And then he did a little grind with the goalpost. If it was out of fun and he really didn't do anything abscene, then really there much ado about nothing.

Double Barrel
01-10-2005, 04:03 PM
So, I guess what the majority here is saying is to simply ignore rude, boorish, classless behavior? Sorry, but when I see something that is offensive, or worse, I'll comment on it, as will most. If this guy did this in most other public places, we would find himself in a fight at best, and arrested at worst. Why do we accept this kind of behavior? Just because others do outragous things doesn't excuse Moss. That is a very weak argument. Or, as Mama used to say - two wrongs don't make a right.

"Anyone who has played in the NFC Central knows what that's about. The fans in Green Bay have a tradition in the parking lot after the game where they moon the visiting team's bus," he said. "It's kind of a unique send-off."

:rofl:

So, Porky, my man, I guess you stay in a constant state of moral outrage? Especially with all the topless club billboards in this city!

Hey, you're not the one trying to get a petition to outlaw cheerleaders, are you? :hmmm:

And you're right about one thing, though: "two wrongs don't make a right". I guess your support of the president's little war keeps you up at night, 'eh? :heh: (j/k!)

Corrosion
01-10-2005, 04:09 PM
It didnt take this act for me to believe Randy Moss was a tastless tool But in this case he really did nothing wrong , i mean come on . How many of you can say you have NEVER mooned anyone (He was only acting) . Not to mention the fact that crowd gave him just as much grief while he was on the sidelines as he gave back . It was funny even if it was tasteless.
As for Fox getting on a soapbox .....with their high morals maybe they should get UNDER IT :rofl:

blockhead83
01-10-2005, 04:38 PM
I never knew you could be arrested for performing a pantomime mooning. Fox over reacted to Moss's antics in my opinion. It wasn't a nice thing to do, but it doesn't merit as much controversy as it's received. I think the fact that it was Moss doing the celebration is what caused it to be such a big ordeal. Lots of people have lost respect for Moss and have grown disdain for him, so it comes as no surprise that they'll blow whatever little flair up he has into a larger issue that it really is. Just because he's on TV playing football doesn't mean he has to be a perfect gentleman. Maybe not all of you know alot of athletes aren't perfect gentleman, but quite the opposite. If you can't watch a player pretend to pull his pants down without getting your feathers ruffled, maybe you need to work on getting thicker skin.

Fiddy
01-10-2005, 04:47 PM
I thought the act was funny. Like Dungy said, the Packer fans acually pull down their pants. Moss didnt show any skin. Moss hears and sees stuff from the Packer fans all the time. Fans arent over the game. They dont have a right to moon players. Moss didnt even moon them. Yeah, you can say that the players are getting millions of dollars but this doesnt give us, the fans, the right to disrepect them. Playing is their career path. He pretended to moon them. Key word pretended.

So in honor of Randy Moss, I will use him as my avatar until the Vikings get kicked out of the playoffs. :D

Fiddy
01-10-2005, 04:56 PM
And for those you missed it: http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/sports/000482.html

Just click on the picture and read the paragraph and look at the next pic. I find the second pick to be more distrubing then Moss' celebration...

StarStruck
01-10-2005, 04:57 PM
I believe the people most upset yesterday with Randy Moss, and his stupid attention getting tricks are Packer fans. Simply because they lost.
These talented, and very attention grabbing players will continue to irritate.
Give them their penalties/fines .. and keep on talking about it .. they love it!!
Fuel that fire. Your frustration only makes them want to keep it up.

I could be like DB and a little warped ..maybe I watch too much South Park too. :wacko:
I enjoyed the Vikings win despite Moss' display.

To view it from another perspective, the Packer fans were probably transferring their frustrations to Moss which took away the attention from the type of day that Bret Farve was having. To focus on the total game, man, Farve had a bad day.

disaacks3
01-10-2005, 05:03 PM
1. I'm with a.j. - FOX questioning ANYBODY on morals is a joke...this is the network that brought us "Who wants to marry a millionaire?" and "Who's Your daddy?"

2. Randy Moss is a punk - He's always been a punk and always will be a punk. He's also one of the most talented WRs that the NFL has ever seen...for that reason alone, many teams will 'overlook' his antics.

3. Moss' "show" was no more / no less morally reprehensible than a standard T.O. offering....though I tend to think T.O. has more artistic merit. :bowdown:

4. There shouldn't be any fine, etc. for Moss' post-touchdown antics. If the NFL wants to fine him for engaging in a profanity-laced tirade towards the GB fans on the sideline (especially in the light of recent events in the NBA and MLB), that's OK by me.

JustBonee
01-10-2005, 05:22 PM
To view it from another perspective, the Packer fans were probably transferring their frustrations to Moss which took away the attention from the type of day that Bret Farve was having. To focus on the total game, man, Farve had a bad day.
I agree completely. Something to forget about those 4 interceptions!
Green Bay fans really look the hypocrites today ... per the newspaper article above, about their fans routinely mooning visiting players buses.

Here Fiddy, make this into an avatar ... :rofl:

http://www.nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl694_lower.jpg

Porky
01-10-2005, 05:24 PM
Well, I'm clearly in the minority, at least on this MB. That's okay by me. I have never been one to "go along to get along". I have my opinions, and I rarely change them, especially when it comes to morality, and what I would term common deceny. What this highlights to me is that, once again, I think our culture has taken a turn for the worse. The other thing that bothers me is trying to justify one act by pointing out another equally disgraceful act. It reminds me of the kid, who after getting his hand caught in the cookie jar, exclaims "But Johnny did it too". What alot of this really boils done to is time and place. Just like nipplegate. Time and place folks. BTW - I like the cheerleaders as much as anyone. :banana:

infantrycak
01-10-2005, 05:25 PM
I am equally shocked at the reaction on this board. The coarsening of our culture continues unabated.

Now I didn't like it, and I don't like Moss' antics, but how does a fake mooning indicate a coarsening of our culture? I mean, it is not like this is something beyond the pale of what had occured before. Mooning has been around for decades, along with streaking and has never met with any cultural opprobrium. Yeah, it is always against the rules, but it has gone on, been the subject of jokes and appeared in movies at least since the 60's. I dislike Moss doing it, but it hardly seems like the decline of the Roman empire to me.

Porky
01-10-2005, 05:39 PM
Now I didn't like it, and I don't like Moss' antics, but how does a fake mooning indicate a coarsening of our culture? I mean, it is not like this is something beyond the pale of what had occured before. Mooning has been around for decades, along with streaking and has never met with any cultural opprobrium. Yeah, it is always against the rules, but it has gone on, been the subject of jokes and appeared in movies at least since the 60's. I dislike Moss doing it, but it hardly seems like the decline of the Roman empire to me.

It's not the act, it's the reaction to the act. That was the reason for what I said. No, I don't think this is the end of western civilzation as we know it. But, in my day, (God I feel old) there was something called class, and sportsmanship. Showing up an opponent was always met with universal disdain. I long for the days when Earl Cambell would score, and simply hand the ball to the ref. Act like you've been there before. You job is to score. Heck, when I fix a pc, I don't go and moon my customers. Nor do I moon my co-workers because they couldn't fix the same pc I just did. Maybe you do, but I think those kind of antics are for Animal House, not national TV.

BTW - Buckwheat is still looking for his hair :heh:

infantrycak
01-10-2005, 05:55 PM
It's not the act, it's the reaction to the act.

Now that I can absolutely agree with you on. Society has lost a large part of its self-policing. People cutting in line, being rude, etc. and nothing happens other than an intellectual exchange of birds. In fact, my wife was accosted for standing up to another customer that was trying to rip off a store recently--the other customers said she had put all of their lives in danger. I just can't understand that attitude--avoid all conflict, indulge every worst possibility.

But, in my day, (God I feel old) ...

We aren't that far apart and I find myself saying things like this more and more. Of course half the time it is about the loss of conservative ideals in the Republican party and the devolution of political debate, but hey same sentiment.

AndreJ
01-10-2005, 05:58 PM
I long for the days when Earl Cambell would score, and simply hand the ball to the ref.

How boring is that. :loser Randy for President! :jam:

Double Barrel
01-10-2005, 06:00 PM
Honestly, Porky, a little melodramatic with the "coarsening of our culture" comment 'eh? ;)

IMO, I think we are actually going in the right direction.

Why?

Because many of the "social etiquette" rules that you hearken back to are really nothing more than white snow covering dog poo.

Everyone wants to compare today to the 1950's. Back when people were "civil"...as long as black folks didn't drink from white fountains and stayed at the back of the bus.

Or maybe you are talking about the 1920's, when women couldn't vote?

When you speak of a cultural decline, what reference point in our history are you utilizing to compare today's atmosphere to?

Of course I'm not saying you condone segregation or banning women's suffrage (or even imply it towards you. I know you're nothing like that).

I'm just trying to figure out what part of our history were things so much more "respectful"?

And you mentioned Earl Campbell, the Great 34. Classy as classy gets. One of my all-time heroes as a kid (and still is today).

But, that same team had Billy "Whiteshoes" Johnson! One of the originators of the over-the-top endzone celebrations if there ever was one! Did you complain about ol' Whiteshoes back then, too?

And Fiddy, that second picture in your link is just WRONG!!..and quite scary, too! I'm going to have nightmares now. :D

StarStruck
01-10-2005, 06:24 PM
BTW - Buckwheat is still looking for his hair :heh:

I had to do a google check to confirm, but Buckwheat's hair was considerably shorter. If memory serves me correctly, I believe Moss' hairdo is more of the ungroomed late 60 to early 70's variety.

shinerbock_girl
01-10-2005, 06:26 PM
Yes, Plummer got a fine, which I'll bet Moss's will be bigger. And would we all be acting this way if Buck hadn't droned on and on and on about the celebration? Even more damning, and showing how people are overreacting, Moss was caught several times, several, yelling MF'er to the crowd; why isn't anybody screaming about that?

Is Moss a good guy? No. Am I glad Casserley said he wouldn't want Moss on the Texans? Yes. Were the endzone antics worse then the old NBA throat slash, plummer firing the bird in Denver, the Pacers-Pistons incident, Reggie White's comments, Mad Max attacking a fan or Barkley throwing somebody through a window? No.

Just trying to put things in perspective.

If TO would have done this, would he have been fined??? But i did think he got fined for that pre game NFL commerical....LOL....

shinerbock_girl
01-10-2005, 06:30 PM
I agree completely. Something to forget about those 4 interceptions!
Green Bay fans really look the hypocrites today ... per the newspaper article above, about their fans routinely mooning visiting players buses.

Here Fiddy, make this into an avatar ... :rofl:

http://www.nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl694_lower.jpg

That boy needs a serious HAIRCUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Porky
01-10-2005, 06:31 PM
I've never been a huge fan of the pre-planned type celebrations. If someone is truly excited over what they just did, and their is a spontaneous celebration, or joy, I'm down with that. But, even with the pre-planned celebrations, I think there is a distinction. While it's true white shoes celebrated and danced with the best of them, I can't recall a time when he showed up, or embarrased his opponent. Class is always in season, and there is never a wrong time to display it.

As to your other comment, I don't really get the analogy, and I see it quite often. Because there was one thing in our society that most feel is wrong, then that means it somehow negates all of the things that were right? That doesn't make any sense to me. If our culture contiues it's descent into the abyss, then in 40 years, will you tell me that the whole first decade of the 2000's was rotten because (your issue here). There is good and bad in every era and every peoples. What you are advocating is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Porky
01-10-2005, 06:40 PM
How boring is that. :loser Randy for President! :jam:

One man's boring is another man's class. If Earl was boring, I would take a 53 man roster full of Earl's.

AndreJ
01-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Is Moss a good guy? No. Am I glad Casserley said he wouldn't want Moss on the Texans? Yes.


I wouldn't care if Moss was Osama Bin Laden's #1 man. I would take him in a heartbeat. If you honestly can say you wouldn't have Moss across the field from AJ then you may need to see a phsychiatrist. Thats like Total World Domination. But then again if we don't get any protection for Carr it wouldn't make a difference.

Back to the subject. Patting yourself on the behind is really not that serious. I know I'm pretty younger than most of you, but i take it you all haven't seen many Music Videos on MTV or BET. If anything i think you all would be complaining and raising hell about his profanity during the post-game interviews. Then again we live in an age where profanity is commonly used on a number of daily TV shows.

Bottom Line....... Moss is the WR whether you like his behavior or not.

Fiddy
01-10-2005, 06:47 PM
I watched Desperate Housewives last night because there was no Sunday Night Football on and that was on national televsion and it was a whole lot worse than Moss pretending to moon some fans...

beerlover
01-10-2005, 06:51 PM
I would just like to offer my apolgies to anyone I offended for my remarks regarding age, it was not a blanket statement reflecting my views of all the young people in society, just one. Heck I have a 16 year old myself & she never ceases to amaze me on a constant basis.

The problem I have is the message we are sending to the younger generation thats it's OK to defecate on your opponents field, disrespect them & there is not a dog gone thing you can do about it. This may or may not lead to further incedence, the majority of times nothing comes of it but just that one time when something does happen, well.......

Because I enjoy watching Culpepper (not to mention his unabashed celebrations-which seem completly spontaneous) I was rooting for the Vikings. Moss is a great player, even if he is just 50% of the time. I just wonder how all of us would feel sitting in the Bull Pen and witnessing that kind of display of celebration @ Relient, how would it feel then? :thud:

StarStruck
01-10-2005, 06:53 PM
I wouldn't care if Moss was Osama Bin Laden's #1 man. I would take him in a heartbeat. If you honestly can say you wouldn't have Moss across the field from AJ then you may need to see a phsychiatrist. Thats like Total World Domination. But then again if we don't get any protection for Carr it wouldn't make a difference.

Bottom Line....... Moss is the WR whether you like his behavior or not.

I don't think anyone can dispute Moss' talent and skill as a top WR, but he isn't above reproof/rebuke and his behavior can be a major distraction -- otherwise he would have the Star on his helmet.

Porky
01-10-2005, 07:01 PM
I watched Desperate Housewives last night because there was no Sunday Night Football on and that was on national televsion and it was a whole lot worse than Moss pretending to moon some fans...

I know this may be hard to understand, but it's all about time, place, and context. If you go to a peep show, and get offended because there are naked girls there, you have a problem. if you go to church and instead see a strip show, then you have every right to be offended. I also watched Desperate Houewives last night. It's one of the wittiest shows I have ever seen. But, I know that the subject matter will include some adult situations. I know what to expect. What do you tell thousands of parents with small ones that sit down to watch playoff football and see rude gestures instead?

As to MTV, I agree. They are bad, and there should be a way for parents to either lock it out of there subsriptsion, are put those channels in a different tier, along with other more adult channels. MTV has changed DRAMATICALLY since I was a kid, and not for the better.

ledzeppelin229
01-10-2005, 07:19 PM
MTV is a joke. I wish they had never gotten their hands on our Super Bowl halftime show, and I felt that way before the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction".

ccdude730
01-10-2005, 07:46 PM
I watched Desperate Housewives last night because there was no Sunday Night Football on and that was on national televsion and it was a whole lot worse than Moss pretending to moon some fans...

EVA FROM CORPUS CHRISTI!!!! :shocked she is wow.

moss? he does his thing fine or no fine - no sense in beating a dead horse....
was kinda funny though

aj.
01-10-2005, 07:55 PM
Those Packers fans are going to corrupt society as we know it. This is an outrage. Even my Pomerianian was offended. Gotta go watch Pat Robertson now.

Boxscore
01-10-2005, 09:14 PM
I thought Moss's display was another classic. I have no respect for the man other than his receiving capabilities. Just wait until he meets Lito Sheppard, Sheldon Brown, Brian dawkins and Michael Lewis this Sunday.

The Eagles addition of Defensive end Jerome kearse and linebacker Jeramia Trotter makes the Eagle a better defense than last year.

AndreJ
01-10-2005, 09:22 PM
I thought Moss's display was another classic. I have no respect for the man other than his receiving capabilities. Just wait until he meets Lito Sheppard, Sheldon Brown, Brian dawkins and Michael Lewis this Sunday.

The Eagles addition of Defensive end Jerome kearse and linebacker Jeramia Trotter makes the Eagle a better defense than last year.

The only man on that list of DB's that i will even bother mentioning are Brian Dawkins and maybe and thats a big maybe Michael Lewis. How lito sheppard made the pro bowl this year amazes me and shows you just how terrible the NFC really is. I will admit that i am probably the biggest Philly Eagles h8r in the world however, but unless Moss' ankle is still bothering him i don't think he will have any problem with philly just as he doesn't with any other team.

Aside from Moss, i expect Burleson and Robinson to have big games, because the Eagles will be so worried about Randy. However i am scared of the eagles front 7, but not the secondary.

I think I've made it obvious, but ill be rooting for da Vikings come sunday.

LiveForTheGame
01-10-2005, 09:31 PM
#1- Packers fans moon opposing teams after a win for the home team
#2- Moss is immature and selfish but we have all known that his entire career so this isn't surprising
#3- His celebration lasted no more than 5 seconds including a hug with the teammates...the fake moon wasn't like 3 seconds and wasn't that explicit
#4- There are more classless acts that go on throughout the game
#5- He was wrong but as others have said the footage of his language was a whole lot worse for television than his fake mooning

It's my oppinion he planned it on purpose to keep attention on himself but off his 100x worse act of walking off the field...if you want to break him down and criticize him do it for something actually worth it...what he did yesterday was but a fraction of what ppl are making it out to be

FILO_girl
01-10-2005, 09:37 PM
I will much enjoy Moss crying all the way home Sunday when the Eagles hand him his nasty tush. Then he can go back to doing his Office Max commercials!
Rubberband.....man. :dancing:

kbourda
01-10-2005, 09:38 PM
I found this interesting. Seems like we found Moss's motivation for the moonwalk yesterday.

Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said he saw Moss' action and, "I thought it was kind of humorous." "It's not the kind of thing you want to see on national TV, but I understand what it was all about," he said. "Anyone who has played in the NFC Central knows what that's about. The fans in Green Bay have a tradition in the parking lot after the game where they moon the visiting team's bus," he said. "It's kind of a unique sendoff." "I had seen it seven times because when I was with the Vikings, we lost to them seven times up there," he said.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1963829

Interesting. I was just about to make light on that subject from Dungy myself. I guess it's a little different song and dance when the oppressed fight back. I thought nothing about the celebration. Because it was nothing. But I will say this, if that is true what Dungy said, i'm glad Moss did what he did.

kbourda
01-10-2005, 09:46 PM
I know this may be hard to understand, but it's all about time, place, and context. If you go to a peep show, and get offended because there are naked girls there, you have a problem. if you go to church and instead see a strip show, then you have every right to be offended. I also watched Desperate Houewives last night. It's one of the wittiest shows I have ever seen. But, I know that the subject matter will include some adult situations. I know what to expect. What do you tell thousands of parents with small ones that sit down to watch playoff football and see rude gestures instead?

With all due respect sir. I do believe T&A can very much be associated with the NFL as well. Granted i'm not at all interested in seeing Moss's A**, but to say when you watch a game and not expect to see rude gestures, come on.

D-ReK
01-10-2005, 09:48 PM
I, for one, was extremely outraged by this incident. Moss may be a good receiver, but his on and off-field antics are terribly appauling (anyone remember him running over a police officer?).

I applaud Joe Buck for standing up for all that this country seems to forget sometimes. Morals, scrupals, and ethics often get passed up in our society, and it is a shame. I'm sorry I had to see it, I'm sorry my mother had to see it, and I'm sorry that thousands of young children had to see it.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA J/K


I agree that everyone is severely overreacting to the situation. Moss shouldn't be fined or suspended. If this "celebration" wasn't enough to warrant a 15 yard penalty, it shouldn't warrant a fine or worse.

kbourda
01-10-2005, 09:49 PM
BTW, someone tell Randy I have his black pick w/ the black fist attached. *lol*

Errant Hothy
01-10-2005, 09:51 PM
With all due respect sir. I do believe T&A can very much be associated with the NFL as well. Granted i'm not at all interested in seeing Moss's A**, but to say when you watch a game and not expect to see rude gestures, come on.

Ditto. Darisus's damn near decapatating of Fergueson was a more social reprehinsable act then what Moss did.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The coverage of this is SOLELY based on Moss' character, not the act; and for anybody to get on their soapbox over how wrong it was and the reaction it's causing is being rather judgemently of the man, not the act. Cause the act was pretty tame; atleast I didn't have to explain it to my kid (cause kids get potty humour.)

AndreJ
01-10-2005, 09:52 PM
I, for one, was extremely outraged by this incident. Moss may be a good receiver, but his on and off-field antics are terribly appauling (anyone remember him running over a police officer?).

I applaud Joe Buck for standing up for all that this country seems to forget sometimes. Morals, scrupals, and ethics often get passed up in our society, and it is a shame. I'm sorry I had to see it, I'm sorry my mother had to see it, and I'm sorry that thousands of young children had to see it.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA J/K


I agree that everyone is severely overreacting to the situation. Moss shouldn't be fined or suspended. If this "celebration" wasn't enough to warrant a 15 yard penalty, it shouldn't warrant a fine or worse.

LoL good one, had me goin there for a second.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-10-2005, 11:42 PM
You know I am sick and tired of players like Randy Moss..........having a stamp on their head. What Randy Moss did in my opinion was funny, and if we listened to Tony Dungy you kinda get the idea why he did it and it makes since. But everytime Randy Moss does something, even if its small, like the thing about Mike Tice, yeah he told the truth he doesn't know if Mike Tice is the guy, be he has his back whats wrong with that it made plenty of since to me. Now other things he does are just plain stupid. Walking off the feild during a game is disgraceful, squitting water at an official is just plain dumb, so I don't know.

But its guys like Terrell Owens and Randy Moss who do just a little something, and its blown out of propotion. Yeah they do some stupid things, but everytime they do something the media jumps on them, just to make a story. Randy Moss was having a good time Sunday after all the turmoil the Vikings have went though. Nothing more, nothing less. Just shut up about and move on to how the Vikings will pound the Eagles.

swisher
01-11-2005, 12:18 AM
I love how when channel 2 showed the clip tonight they blurred out his butt. As if it was in witness protection. :rofl:

TexansCanes
01-11-2005, 12:21 AM
MTV is a joke. I wish they had never gotten their hands on our Super Bowl halftime show, and I felt that way before the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction".

the halftime show was a joke. all of those songs come out like 2 years ago. still mad about missing that janet jackson thing. :rofl:

i don't really care about the pretend mooning thing, because on my tv his pants were still up, all it was was a guy bending over. i don't even think that the celebration was that good, i like the sprinkler a lot better. also, espn said they wouldn't show it, they must be sick of showing all the guys actual asses that showed on Playmakers, what a joke. if he gets suspended, it means that you can make an illegal hit but you can't pretend to moon someone. what do you expect from a guy that acts like he is 6 years old.

Wolf
01-11-2005, 01:29 AM
I saw a quote about Vince Carter NOT giving 100 percent for the Raptors ... and that was it of the whole situations.. Yet when Moss says he doesn't play every down, and Essay is written by every person in America and how shameful it is .

I am not sticking up for Moss with that, but at least he was truthful about it.

Double Barrel
01-11-2005, 01:54 PM
I know this may be hard to understand, but it's all about time, place, and context. If you go to a peep show, and get offended because there are naked girls there, you have a problem. if you go to church and instead see a strip show, then you have every right to be offended. I also watched Desperate Houewives last night. It's one of the wittiest shows I have ever seen. But, I know that the subject matter will include some adult situations. I know what to expect. What do you tell thousands of parents with small ones that sit down to watch playoff football and see rude gestures instead?

Obviously you've never watched a second of Sponge Bob Squarepants...or Shrek for that matter. Potty humor abounds.

Do you honestly believe that Randy Moss' FAKE mooning will be to the detriment of society? Does Randy Moss have that much sway in our culture?

This is America, where a president gets oral sex in the Oval Office and presidents send young people to die in foreign lands for dubious reasons. Where politicians are bought and sold and corporate dominance of every aspect of your life is "normal". This is the land of hypocrisy, where gated communities keep the poor, hungry riff-raff away from private property. Where tens of thousands of kids go hungry every day as they barely survive above the poverty line.

Yet, a FAKE mooning is more obscene than these realities? :shocked

So your kid seeing a homeless beggar on the streets is o.k., but a football player pantomining a fake mooning gets you upset? Oooooh-kaaaay

Give me a break. The six o'clock news has more "offensive" material than any football game could contain.

Time and place for everything? Only if you live in a vacuum.

Welcome to the U.S.A...now you see how your parents felt when Elvis was subliminally suggesting indecent acts with his swaying hips. :heh: