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Texan JBZ
01-21-2009, 10:16 PM
Has the Texans selecting: Everette Brown, DE, Florida St. - 6'4" 252lbs:doot:

Here's the link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/insider/news/story?id=3849927

What I found surprising is that he doesn't have any Safeties going in the 1st. Good news for the Texans. Maybe William Moore or Louis Delmas will fall into laps in the 2nd. I've been impressed watching Delmas in the Senior Bowl practices. He wants to hit!

Honoring Earl 34
01-21-2009, 10:26 PM
Has the Texans selecting: Everette Brown, DE, Florida St. - 6'4" 252lbs:doot:

Here's the link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/insider/news/story?id=3849927

What I found surprising is that he doesn't have any Safeties going in the 1st. Good news for the Texans. Maybe William Moore or Louis Delmas will fall into laps in the 2nd. I've been impressed watching Delmas in the Senior Bowl practices. He wants to hit!

I went to the Texas Bowl and flat out missed him ... ooops .

Lucky
01-21-2009, 10:28 PM
Another link (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=291762) to Kiper's mock. I really don't see the OK State TE going that early (#11). The Texans would be very fortunate for the draft to break this way.

dsorc
01-21-2009, 10:41 PM
Moore is dropping like a stone right now. Comments from the senior bowl is that a change to LB might be in his future so I'm not surprised he's no longer a first round pick. Look out for Chung besides Delmas to crrep into late first territory.

Picks I'm against or confused about:
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC - They just broke the record for leat sacks in a season. DE should be a very high possibility. Plus Tighpen looked serviceable.
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri - Too early
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St. - With Capers as DC they're going to a 3-4; I would expect somebody for their front 7 to help the transition.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St. - TE is a need but they probably need a DE more.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia - No way they're letting Sproles go after seeing Turner in Atlanta. Bigger needs than a replacement for LT.
17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida - I have no clue what he's thinking here. Harvin is probably a fringe first rounder and this is a team with solid WRs. They might go for a QB if they don't believe in Klemens. Otherwise CB is an option.
18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU - A 3-4 DE for a 4-3 team. Probably should be Michael Johnson
21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St. - Westbrook replacement not exactly a big priority yet.
23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC - Clint Sintim UVA played in a 3-4 is also graded by most as late first and would make the transition faster.
24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois - Second round prospect
25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland - Miami needs a lot of secondary help so CB would be more logical. Also their WRs are young but serviceable.
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi - Will not drop this far

HoustonFrog
01-21-2009, 11:12 PM
Moore is dropping like a stone right now. Comments from the senior bowl is that a change to LB might be in his future so I'm not surprised he's no longer a first round pick. Look out for Chung besides Delmas to crrep into late first territory.

Picks I'm against or confused about:
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC - They just broke the record for leat sacks in a season. DE should be a very high possibility. Plus Tighpen looked serviceable.
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri - Too early
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St. - With Capers as DC they're going to a 3-4; I would expect somebody for their front 7 to help the transition.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St. - TE is a need but they probably need a DE more.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia - No way they're letting Sproles go after seeing Turner in Atlanta. Bigger needs than a replacement for LT.
17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida - I have no clue what he's thinking here. Harvin is probably a fringe first rounder and this is a team with solid WRs. They might go for a QB if they don't believe in Klemens. Otherwise CB is an option.
18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU - A 3-4 DE for a 4-3 team. Probably should be Michael Johnson
21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St. - Westbrook replacement not exactly a big priority yet.
23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC - Clint Sintim UVA played in a 3-4 is also graded by most as late first and would make the transition faster.
24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois - Second round prospect
25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland - Miami needs a lot of secondary help so CB would be more logical. Also their WRs are young but serviceable.
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi - Will not drop this far

Great review but I disagree only on Philly. Up until 2 years back Westbrook was an injury waiting to happen. He has been a stud without a doubt but is getting older and his health has been a late season concern most years. I think Wells is someone they can afford to plug in and take to have a combo.

mussop
01-22-2009, 03:57 AM
Has the Texans selecting: Everette Brown, DE, Florida St. - 6'4" 252lbs:doot:

Here's the link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/insider/news/story?id=3849927

What I found surprising is that he doesn't have any Safeties going in the 1st. Good news for the Texans. Maybe William Moore or Louis Delmas will fall into laps in the 2nd. I've been impressed watching Delmas in the Senior Bowl practices. He wants to hit!

Where does he ahve Raji going???

Mari-OWNED!
01-22-2009, 04:04 AM
Where does he ahve Raji going???

He has them going to Denver 12th overall.

mussop
01-22-2009, 04:14 AM
He has them going to Denver 12th overall.

Thats exactly what Im worried about. Denver and GreenBay switching to a 3/4 are both going to need someone in the middle to build their D's around.

BattleRedToro
01-22-2009, 07:38 AM
Thats exactly what Im worried about. Denver and GreenBay switching to a 3/4 are both going to need someone in the middle to build their D's around.

Did Green Bay announce a change to the 3-4 defense? Just because they have Dom Capers doesn't mean they will be a 3-4 defense. He has coached 4-3 defenses as well.

Silver Oak
01-22-2009, 07:42 AM
Another link (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=291762) to Kiper's mock. I really don't see the OK State TE going that early (#11). The Texans would be very fortunate for the draft to break this way.

during Day 3 of the Senior Bowl practice, one of the guys said he had spoken to a scout who focuses just on the Big 12, and the scout had said Pettigrew was the best overall player coming out of the Big 12 this year. Not just offensive, but BPA.

PhilpW
01-22-2009, 07:54 AM
Did Green Bay announce a change to the 3-4 defense? Just because they have Dom Capers doesn't mean they will be a 3-4 defense. He has coached 4-3 defenses as well.

It was out yestrday that GB was going to run a base 3-4 but would throw in the occasional 4-3 look.

Errant Hothy
01-22-2009, 09:03 AM
I'd be good with Brown. I'm starting to think that another direction maybe taken in the first, but I have yet to convince myself that I'm sold on the idea.

For anybody who saw the whole mock, did Brian Cushing go in the 1st, if so where?

TexansSeminole
01-22-2009, 09:06 AM
I obviously would like this very much.

Goldensilence
01-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Great review but I disagree only on Philly. Up until 2 years back Westbrook was an injury waiting to happen. He has been a stud without a doubt but is getting older and his health has been a late season concern most years. I think Wells is someone they can afford to plug in and take to have a combo.

I would add on to that comment I think Reid might be more inclined torun the ball more(which they need to) if they had someone they could trust to take the load off Westbrook.

I'm not sold on Mark Sanchez but I think it's possible some team will take the gamble on him being a good enough QB in the first.

badboy
01-22-2009, 12:33 PM
Moore is dropping like a stone right now. Comments from the senior bowl is that a change to LB might be in his future so I'm not surprised he's no longer a first round pick. Look out for Chung besides Delmas to crrep into late first territory.

Picks I'm against or confused about:
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC - They just broke the record for leat sacks in a season. DE should be a very high possibility. Plus Tighpen looked serviceable.
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri - Too early
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St. - With Capers as DC they're going to a 3-4; I would expect somebody for their front 7 to help the transition.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St. - TE is a need but they probably need a DE more.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia - No way they're letting Sproles go after seeing Turner in Atlanta. Bigger needs than a replacement for LT.
17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida - I have no clue what he's thinking here. Harvin is probably a fringe first rounder and this is a team with solid WRs. They might go for a QB if they don't believe in Klemens. Otherwise CB is an option.
18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU - A 3-4 DE for a 4-3 team. Probably should be Michael Johnson
21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St. - Westbrook replacement not exactly a big priority yet.
23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC - Clint Sintim UVA played in a 3-4 is also graded by most as late first and would make the transition faster.
24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois - Second round prospect
25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland - Miami needs a lot of secondary help so CB would be more logical. Also their WRs are young but serviceable.
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi - Will not drop this farI agree on Eagles and hope that encourages them to trade up with us to get the OT. Say our #15 and a 4th for their two 1s?

dsorc
01-22-2009, 01:00 PM
I agree on Eagles and hope that encourages them to trade up with us to get the OT. Say our #15 and a 4th for their two 1s?
You're about 300 points short based on draft pick value charts. Would have to include our 3rd as well or make it 1st and 2nd for their two 1sts. However their earlier 1st, 3rd, and 5th could be done. Or one of theirs 1sts plus Lito.

WesmanTexanfan
01-22-2009, 01:24 PM
DE Everette Brown Florida State


Ill take him...

Wolf6151
01-22-2009, 01:26 PM
He's the best DE in the draft, I'd be thrilled if he fell to us but I'm not overly optomistic.

Errant Hothy
01-22-2009, 01:30 PM
Moore is dropping like a stone right now. Comments from the senior bowl is that a change to LB might be in his future so I'm not surprised he's no longer a first round pick. Look out for Chung besides Delmas to crrep into late first territory.

Picks I'm against or confused about:
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC - They just broke the record for leat sacks in a season. DE should be a very high possibility. Plus Tighpen looked serviceable.
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri - Too early
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St. - With Capers as DC they're going to a 3-4; I would expect somebody for their front 7 to help the transition.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St. - TE is a need but they probably need a DE more.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia - No way they're letting Sproles go after seeing Turner in Atlanta. Bigger needs than a replacement for LT.
17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida - I have no clue what he's thinking here. Harvin is probably a fringe first rounder and this is a team with solid WRs. They might go for a QB if they don't believe in Klemens. Otherwise CB is an option.
18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU - A 3-4 DE for a 4-3 team. Probably should be Michael Johnson
21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St. - Westbrook replacement not exactly a big priority yet.
23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC - Clint Sintim UVA played in a 3-4 is also graded by most as late first and would make the transition faster.
24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois - Second round prospect
25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland - Miami needs a lot of secondary help so CB would be more logical. Also their WRs are young but serviceable.
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi - Will not drop this far

Cushing played at the following positions while at USC; DE, ILB, OLB and SS. I'm thinking if he can play all of those positions in Pete Carroll's D, he'll make a pretty smooth transition to the pros, regardless of what D the team that picks him plays.

nunusguy
01-22-2009, 01:41 PM
He's the best DE in the draft, I'd be thrilled if he fell to us but I'm not overly optomistic.
I dunno if he's the best, but he appears to be atleast one of them and I to will be thrilled if we have a chance at him but I'm anxious about him lasting to #15.

powerfuldragon
01-22-2009, 01:47 PM
who'd he have us picking last year?

superdave532
01-22-2009, 01:57 PM
who'd he have us picking last year?

Malcolm Jenkins. Then Rashard Mendenhall.

I want to know who had us picking Duane Brown? Obviously it's hard to anticipate a trade down, but still.

I don't like us passing on Rey Maualuga in his mock, I'd rather have him and DeMeco battling it out to see who plays MLB, and just have an awesome linebacking core than any of the DE's in this draft really..

gtexan02
01-22-2009, 01:58 PM
In March he had us selecting:

18 Houston Texans - Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon

TexansFanatic
01-22-2009, 01:59 PM
He's the best DE in the draft, I'd be thrilled if he fell to us but I'm not overly optomistic.

My thoughts exactly.

Mailman
01-22-2009, 02:20 PM
In March he had us selecting:

18 Houston Texans - Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon

So that means a DE in the third round this year?

nunusguy
01-22-2009, 02:26 PM
I want to know who had us picking Duane Brown? Obviously it's hard to anticipate a trade down, but still.

Our very own TexansTalk MB member Porkey did. I remember it well. He called it when nobody else had a clue about us taking LT Brown as far as I know ?

superdave532
01-22-2009, 02:33 PM
Our very own TexansTalk MB member Porkey did. I remember it well. He called it when nobody else had a clue about us taking LT Brown as far as I know ?

Lol I do remember reading that the day after the draft last year, that was quite a pick. I had looked at literally hundreds of mock drafts and looked up everyone I thought the Texans could take, and I had still never heard the name Duane Brown until they drafted him :) I was just saying, none of these experts have any idea who's going where the day before the draft, let alone before the combine and free agency.

We should nominate Porky for ESPN analyst, huh?

Tailgate
01-22-2009, 02:43 PM
Just don't see him falling to us... along with BJ Raji and Maualuga. If one of these guys fall to us, you are darn tootin we scoop one up. But I think Taylor Mays going back to school really will be the domino that leads none of them to fall to us.

Unfortunately....I think our options are going to be limited in terms of needs associated with the value of our pick. Perry? Cushing? I can very well see us trading back again.... if we are lucky enough that someone else needs to jump up for an offensive weapon.

Marcus
01-22-2009, 02:54 PM
I would love Everette Brown . . if he falls to 15.

You never know. Derrick Johnson fell to 15 a few years back, and . . . (oh wait)

Errant Hothy
01-22-2009, 02:57 PM
I would love Everette Brown . . if he falls to 15.

You never know. Derrick Johnson fell to 15 a few years back, and . . . (oh wait)

And how good has Derrick Johnson been? Made and Pro-Bowls yet?

I'm not saying that TJ has been better, but the comments about passing on DJ make litte sense to me in light of his ability/production while at KC.

gtexan02
01-22-2009, 03:10 PM
And how good has Derrick Johnson been? Made and Pro-Bowls yet?

I'm not saying that TJ has been better, but the comments about passing on DJ make litte sense to me in light of his ability/production while at KC.

Derrick Johnson was touted as an athletic OLB who could tackle well and force a lot of fumbles.

This past season, in only 14 games, he had 85 tackles and forced 4 fumbles. That was enough for 4th among LBs, and I believe all 3 of the guys above him were 3-4 DEs getting fumbles from the QB.

He has 12 sacks in 4 years from a non pass-rushing position, which is 6x as many as TJ has from a pass rushing spot.

Over his four years, DJ has averaged: 88 tackles, 5 passes defended, 3 sacks, 3 FFs, and an INT

Travis Johnson, meanwhile, over his entire career, has: 106 tackles, 8 passes defneded, 1 FF, 2 sacks, and 1 INT

DJ isn't a hall of famer or anything, but to say they are about equal is just crazy

BigBull17
01-22-2009, 03:16 PM
And how good has Derrick Johnson been? Made and Pro-Bowls yet?

I'm not saying that TJ has been better, but the comments about passing on DJ make litte sense to me in light of his ability/production while at KC.

I agree. I did want DJ, but he hasnt done much in KC.

RipTraxx
01-22-2009, 03:20 PM
I agree. I did want DJ, but he hasnt done much in KC.

Has anyone done anything in KC except for LJ?


Im kinda over using high picks for DLine. I say we go DB or LB.

Errant Hothy
01-22-2009, 03:23 PM
Derrick Johnson was touted as an athletic OLB who could tackle well and force a lot of fumbles.

This past season, in only 14 games, he had 85 tackles and forced 4 fumbles. That was enough for 4th among LBs, and I believe all 3 of the guys above him were 3-4 DEs getting fumbles from the QB.

He has 12 sacks in 4 years from a non pass-rushing position, which is 6x as many as TJ has from a pass rushing spot.

Over his four years, DJ has averaged: 88 tackles, 5 passes defended, 3 sacks, 3 FFs, and an INT

Travis Johnson, meanwhile, over his entire career, has: 106 tackles, 8 passes defneded, 1 FF, 2 sacks, and 1 INT

DJ isn't a hall of famer or anything, but to say they are about equal is just crazy

I never said they were equal.

To me DJ has been average, and on a bad team that makes him look a little beeter then he really is; but for the 11th (or 12th) pick in the draft...not so much. Espically when compared to guys like Willis and Ryans.

Stats are not the end all be all. Before this year Morlon Greenwood was averaging 113 tackles, 1 1/3 sacks, 4 PD and nearly an INT a year.

powerfuldragon
01-22-2009, 03:40 PM
Has anyone done anything in KC except for LJ?

Len Dawson and Tony Gonzalez

but who cares about the chiefs.

RipTraxx
01-22-2009, 03:42 PM
Len Dawson and Tony Gonzalez

but who cares about the chiefs.

Did forget Tony my bad......

Seņor Stan
01-22-2009, 04:07 PM
And how good has Derrick Johnson been? Made and Pro-Bowls yet?

I'm not saying that TJ has been better, but the comments about passing on DJ make litte sense to me in light of his ability/production while at KC.

Don't forget that by trading down, the Texans were able to draft Eric Winston. I still say TJ + Winston > DJ

Heck I'll go as far as to say Winston > DJ.

RipTraxx
01-22-2009, 04:59 PM
I dunno if he's the best, but he appears to be atleast one of them and I to will be thrilled if we have a chance at him but I'm anxious about him lasting to #15.

Even with Kollar as our DLINE coach saying he likes smaller quicker ends. 6'5 250 is mighty light.

Spled
01-22-2009, 05:13 PM
I think Beanie will go before Moreno, unless it's injury concerns.

Marcus
01-22-2009, 05:48 PM
Don't forget that by trading down, the Texans were able to draft Eric Winston. I still say TJ + Winston > DJ

Heck I'll go as far as to say Winston > DJ.

Remember when they were ready to burn down Reliant Stadium when they passed on DJ? (Or was that just Longhorn fans?)

Funny how DeMeco Ryans, who was taken in the 2nd round after Mario, turned out to be a better linebacker than DJ ever could be.

Drafts are such hyped up crap shoots, but it's funny how it's always the upcoming one that's never looked at in that way. It''s crazy.

D-ReK
01-22-2009, 05:49 PM
Even with Kollar as our DLINE coach saying he likes smaller quicker ends. 6'5 250 is mighty light.

These are the heights and weights of the starting DEs on every 4-3 team, according to NFL.com:

Arizona Cardinals: Antonio Smith, 6-4 285 and Travis LaBoy, 6-3 250
Atlanta Falcons: Jamaal Anderson, 6-6 282 and John Abraham, 6-4 263
Buffalo Bills: Chris Kelsay, 6-4 261 and Aaron Schobel, 6-4 243
Carolina Panthers: Tyler Brayton, 6-6 280 and Julius Peppers, 6-7, 283
Chicago Bears: Adewale Ogunleye, 6-4 260 and Alex Brown, 6-3 260
Cincinnati Bengals: Robert Geathers, 6-3 272 and Antwan Odom, 6-5 260
Denver Broncos: John Engelberger, 6-4 260 and Elvis Dumervil, 5-11 260
Detroit Lions: Jared DeVries, 6-4 275 and Dewayne White 6-2 273
Green Bay Packers: Aaron Kampman, 6-4 265 and Michael Montgomery, 6-5 273
Houston Texans: Anthony Weaver, 6-3 274 and Mario Williams, 6-6 283
Indianapolis Colts: Raheem Brock, 6-4 274 and Dwight Freeney, 6-1 268
Jacksonville Jaguars: Derrick Harvey, 6-5 271 and Reggie Hayward, 6-5 275
Kansas City Chiefs: Turk McBride, 6-2 278 and Tamba Hali, 6-3 275
Minnesota Vikings: Ron Edwards, 6-5 268 and Jared Allen, 6-6 270
New Orleans Saints: Charles Grant, 6-3 285 and Will Smith, 6-3 282
New York Giants: Justin Tuck, 6-5 274 and Mathias Kiwanuka, 6-5 265
Oakland Raiders: Jay Richardson, 6-6 280 and Derrick Burgess, 6-2 260
Philadelphia Eagles: Juqua Parker, 6-2 250 and Trent Cole, 6-3 260
Seattle Seahawks: Patrick Kerney, 6-5 272 and Darryl Tapp, 6-1 270
St. Louis Rams: Leonard Little, 6-3 263 and Chris Long, 6-3 263
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Kevin Carter, 6-6 305 and Gaines Adams, 6-5 258
Tennessee Titans: Jevon Kearse, 6-4 265 and Kyle Vanden Bosch, 6-4 278
Washington Redskins: Demetric Evans, 6-4 287 and Andre Carter, 6-4 253

What all this means: There are quite a few players who are at an equal weight to Brown. Aaron Schobel is even 10 pounds lighter. If Brown adds 10 pounds, he's pretty much in the middle of the pack, but 10 pounds isn't really that much of a difference. He's about the same size as Gaines Adams, who was a top 5 pick in 2007. Let's see where he weighs in at the combine and the FSU pro day, then we can go from there.

BigBull17
01-23-2009, 12:14 PM
Has anyone done anything in KC except for LJ?


Im kinda over using high picks for DLine. I say we go DB or LB.

Great point. Herm Edwards is soooooo over-rated. How does he get jobs?

threetoedpete
01-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Another link (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=291762) to Kiper's mock. I really don't see the OK State TE going that early (#11). The Texans would be very fortunate for the draft to break this way.

He's a blocking three down TE with very soft hands. Every team with a shaky OLT situation has him high on their board. Buffalo fits. He just about Skunked Orakpo.

bah007
01-23-2009, 01:24 PM
He's a blocking three down TE with very soft hands. Every team with a shaky OLT situation has him high on their board. Buffalo fits. He just about Skunked Orakpo.

Pettigrew is basically a third OT on run plays and an extra WR on passing plays.

I don't think #11 is too high for him either.

Lucky
01-25-2009, 07:04 PM
during Day 3 of the Senior Bowl practice, one of the guys said he had spoken to a scout who focuses just on the Big 12, and the scout had said Pettigrew was the best overall player coming out of the Big 12 this year. Not just offensive, but BPA.

Better than Crabtree, Orakpo, and Maclin? Really? I hope there are NFL decision makers drafting above the Texans who feel that way.

There have been only 4 tight ends taken in the top half of the 1st round this decade (Winslow, Vernon Davis, Shockey, and Franks). Pettigrew doesn't sport the college resume of those guys. I realize that this is a down draft, but I doubt very seriously that a blocking TE will go ahead of playmaking DEs like Everette Brown and Brian Orakpo.