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HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 09:50 AM
I kept hearing this on the radio yesterday and found it in the Cowboy blog. This just makes no sense to me except in one department...someone to knock heads in the locker room. In fact after the Ravens defeat at the end of the season there were many announcers that said Dallas lacked a Ray Lewis to keep things in order. Maybe that is what started the wheels turning. On the negative side...1) 3 years would be too much time and tie up too much money for an older vet 2) age. He played at a PB level last year but if you take his last few years into account he was declining and I think it will continue soon. 3) The arrest stigma. The guy hasn't been a cancer or a bad guy...adn he was acquitted but that just keeps the fires burning for haters 4) why would he leave a team that just missed the SB...with rookies at key positions?Ryan leaving may be one thing. He wouldn't leave the Ravens..a better TEAM.

Overall I think it would be a move to fix locker room problems but all in all it would be a waste of money and years for an older guy.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/could-ray-lewis-join-the-valley-ranch-ci.html#comments

The Baltimore Sun's Mike Preston is hearing buzz that the Cowboys will make a run at Ravens LB Ray Lewis if he hits the open market.

The speculation is that the Cowboys are willing to give Lewis a three-year deal worth between $27 and $30 million, with $25 million guaranteed.
Dallas owner Jerry Jones believes his team is in the serious hunt for a Super Bowl title next season, and that Lewis could help solve some of the team's problems inside the locker room.


Jerry said during the final week of the season that he doesn't anticipate the Cowboys making a splash in free agency, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen. Lewis, who is still playing at a Pro Bowl level, would fill the hole created by Zach Thomas' expected departure and provide the Cowboys a take-no-bull vocal leader.

It'd take some creativity for the Cowboys to sign DeMarcus Ware to a long-term deal and have enough room under the salary cap to sign Ray Lewis. But Stephen Jones and Co. could certainly pull that off, especially with an uncapped season on the horizon.

The biggest roadblock between Lewis and Valley Ranch is the fact that he probably won't leave the Ravens. He's played his entire career in Baltimore, and the Ravens just came up one game shy of the Super Bowl with a rookie head coach and rookie quarterback. Why leave now?

DiehardChris
01-20-2009, 09:54 AM
An accessory to murder would be a perfect addition to the Cowboys.

False Start
01-20-2009, 09:57 AM
An accessory to murder would be a perfect addition to the Cowboys.

You typed the words right out of my mouth. :heh:

LonerATO
01-20-2009, 09:59 AM
I just dont see him leaving the Ravens to go play in drama filled Dallas. Ray is a team player and the Cowboys are the farthest thing away from a "team"

4Texans
01-20-2009, 09:59 AM
An accessory to murder would be a perfect addition to the Cowboys.
:cowboy1:

I would love to see Lewis get after TO when he starts to pout and whine.:thinking:

Texan_Bill
01-20-2009, 10:03 AM
An accessory to murder would be a perfect addition to the Cowboys.

C'mon now Chris, he was acquitted of those charges. He was found guilty for a mere "obstruction of justice" charge.



:sarcasm:

Polo
01-20-2009, 10:04 AM
Ray Lewis leaving the Ravens may not be totally his choice. I'm sure they'd love to have him back, but if they aren't willing to pay what Dallas is willing to pay Ray may take that nice little 3 year going out the door prize.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 10:07 AM
An accessory to murder would be a perfect addition to the Cowboys.

See #3 on my list. :whip: Look at the frenzy here already. It's like flys to crap. Funny how it isn't brought up much in Baltimore anymore and he is considered a badass there but it would follow him to Dallas.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 10:12 AM
C'mon now Chris, he was acquitted of those charges. He was found guilty for a mere "obstruction of justice" charge.



:sarcasm:

Exactly..just like Artest spending minimal days in the pen for slapping around his wife. All misunderstandings.:). All of these guys are innocent. ;)

dalemurphy
01-20-2009, 10:19 AM
The following is from today's Dallas Morning news (and it made my month!):

Sources: Dallas Cowboys often tardy, undisciplined in '08


09:20 AM CST on Tuesday, January 20, 2009
By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News
cwatkins@dallasnews.com

MOBILE, Ala. As they gather here for Senior Bowl scouting assignments this week trying improve their product on the field, the Cowboys officials also face significant issues off the field.

Multiple sources close to the team paint a picture of turmoil inside the locker room far greater than originally thought, and the organization is determined to solve the problems. Sources say there were many issues this season that call into question team discipline, commitment and accountability.

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones said Monday night he would not discuss certain aspects of the team, including the status of wide receiver Terrell Owens, the coaching staff specifically offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and recently cut cornerback Adam Jones.

Jones did say he will talk about other issues regarding the organization Tuesday. Coach Wade Phillips wasn't available for comment Monday night. He declined to talk to reporters earlier in the day.

One of the key off-season disciplinary issues the team must address is tardiness.

The team charter left late for road games five times this season because players were late to the airport according to three sources. The total represented more than half of the eight regular season away games. Sources declined to name the late players. The Philadelphia trip was delayed by more than an hour.

The punishments left little incentive for promptness. Fines for being late or missing meetings and injury treatment sessions were far lower under Phillips than they were under former coach Bill Parcells.

Under Parcells, players were fined $5,000 for being late to meetings, and as much as $12,000 for missing an injury treatment session.

This season, players were fined $100 for being late to meetings or missing a treatment. During training camp, linebacker Anthony Spencer was featured on HBO's Hard Knocks after being fined $100 for missing a treatment session. But sources said Spencer was not alone in missing such treatments.

Owens was a repeat offender in being late for team meetings, sources said. With the Cowboys needing to defeat Philadelphia to reach the playoffs in the season finale, Owens was late for a Dec. 23 meeting, citing traffic problems two days before Christmas. Owens declined comment on his tardiness.

Meetings would sometimes start 10 to 15 minutes later than scheduled, those sources said.

Phillips may not be completely to blame for the smaller fines. A source said Phillips asked Jones to raise the fine total but was rebuffed by the owner.

Jones acknowledged some players are late for meetings. However, he said sometimes a player is late because he has to meet his media responsibilities or had a legitimate excuse.

Compounding those disciplinary issues, was a growing problem of relationships between players and coaches. Sources said players lost respect for defensive coordinator Brian Stewart, who came across more as a player than a coach and made what they termed questionable play-calling.

Another source expressed concern that Phillips treated the offensive and defensive players differently, favoring the defense. It's not unusal, however, for a defensive-oriented coach such as Phillips to spend more time with one unit.

According to five sources, several offensive players lost respect for Garrett for his failure to corral quarterback Tony Romo in practice. Romo, sources said, often forced throws in practice and often did not treat practice work consistently.

The quarterback's practice habits were so bad, sources said, that they affected the way he played in games and could have factored into the offense's problems.

Sources said Owens was upset that Romo directed more passes at tight end and close friend Jason Witten as opposed to the other receivers who he deemed open. Owens has declined to discuss that issue.

The relationship between Garrett and his offensive players will be an important issue for the unit to work out. Garrett was unsuccessful in his bid to land recent head coaching jobs in Denver, Detroit and St. Louis.

Specifically, the relationship between the mercurial Owens and Garrett is in question. Other receivers respect Owens and often share his sentiments.

When asked about his relationship with Owens, Garrett said Monday, "I have a lot of respect for him, certainly as a player, we'll just leave it at that, OK?"

Wide receiver Patrick Crayton said last week during an interview on ESPN that Owens' relationship with the coaching staff was a concern.

"By the end of the season, I would say maybe a little rocky," Crayton said, "A little rocky because I think sometimes when you sit down and you have man-to-man talks, I know Terrell is one of those guys who is not going to bite his tongue, and if you're not going to be straightforward with him, there's not going to be a respect there."

Romo, according to a source, was also personally offended when Garrett was critical of his play late in the season.

How Garrett deals with these communication issues is a concern going forward. Even Phillips, who rarely publicly singles out players for miscues, noted a late-season interception thrown by Romo was careless.

"We're going to talk about working hard and continuing to go forward with our team, and we have a great opportunity this off-season," Garrett said of the communication failures. "Guys are going to come back and we'll have a tremendous resolve about us trying to get better and work hard in the off-season."

Texan JBZ
01-20-2009, 10:22 AM
My only question would be where in the hell is Jerra getting all of this money under the cap to sign these players? Just look at the dough he shelled out last offseason! And with Ware set to re-up, how would the Girls be able to sign Ray Lewis to that size of a contract?

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 10:31 AM
My only question would be where in the hell is Jerra getting all of this money under the cap to sign these players? Just look at the dough he shelled out last offseason! And with Ware set to re-up, how would the Girls be able to sign Ray Lewis to that size of a contract?

That is where he and is son, Stephen, do their best work. If Jerry could translate that into bringing in people who knew about players, it would be nice.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 10:37 AM
The following is from today's Dallas Morning news (and it made my month!):

Sources: Dallas Cowboys often tardy, undisciplined in '08


09:20 AM CST on Tuesday, January 20, 2009
By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News
cwatkins@dallasnews.com



No surprise as a fan. What gets me is this was going on AND they were one of the most penalized teams and had one of the highest turnover totals but Wade is somehow not responsible for the lazy actions?Why would you keep a guy whose discipline is zero, whether Jerry is pulling the strings or not.

It also doesn't surprise me about Romo. I think he has loads of talent but a 2 cent brain in big games and that is all part of practice. I also find him immature in the way he pouts after bad plays and how he sits and mopes on the bench. I think he loves the attention but really could give a crud in the end whether he takes them somewhere. To him it is a game with benefits like money and hot girlfriends.

I like all the turmoil right now. I thought Jerry realized his errors and brought in Parcells. Now I'm hoping the turmoil smacks him and he makes even more changes.

Goldensilence
01-20-2009, 10:42 AM
If the cowboys were truly interested in fixing the locker room they would released T.O. However, I don't see that happening but it's a good thought to bring in a guy who would have the clout to tell T.O. to STFU and back it up.

That said I don't see it happening.

BigBull17
01-20-2009, 11:30 AM
I just dont see him leaving the Ravens to go play in drama filled Dallas. Ray is a team player and the Cowboys are the farthest thing away from a "team"

Yeah, he also hates T.O with a passion.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 11:34 AM
If the cowboys were truly interested in fixing the locker room they would released T.O. However, I don't see that happening but it's a good thought to bring in a guy who would have the clout to tell T.O. to STFU and back it up.

That said I don't see it happening.

According to my brother that does stuff for them you will start seeing moves in March when there are less salary implications, etc. If he and others get cut or are left out in the cold, I'd imagine it would be then.

DiehardChris
01-20-2009, 11:36 AM
See #3 on my list. :whip: Look at the frenzy here already. It's like flys to crap. Funny how it isn't brought up much in Baltimore anymore and he is considered a badass there but it would follow him to Dallas.

Hey, I love the guy. I think he's the greatest inside linebacker in the history of the NFL - and one of the biggest bad-asses too. I'd love to have him on the Texans.

I'm just saying - accessory to murder. He'd be a perfect fit.

Problem with bringing him to Dallas is that you need about three more of him to instill any sort of pride into that locker room full of quitters and egomaniacs.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 12:00 PM
Hey, I love the guy. I think he's the greatest inside linebacker in the history of the NFL - and one of the biggest bad-asses too. I'd love to have him on the Texans.

I'm just saying - accessory to murder. He'd be a perfect fit.

Problem with bringing him to Dallas is that you need about three more of him to instill any sort of pride into that locker room full of quitters and egomaniacs.

Right on the last sentence. As a fan I have complained about that all season. One of the 3 needs to be a coach.

Brandon420tx
01-20-2009, 01:00 PM
If Ray Lewis leaves Baltimore for another team and a sweet contract, don't expect him to play at his inspired level that he has had throughout his carreer. I'm sure he knows his football days are coming to an end and it would take too much work for him to get emotionally attached to a new city and new team to become the Ray Lewis everyone has branded into their minds.

Specnatz
01-20-2009, 01:00 PM
No surprise as a fan. What gets me is this was going on AND they were one of the most penalized teams and had one of the highest turnover totals but Wade is somehow not responsible for the lazy actions? Why would you keep a guy whose discipline is zero, whether Jerry is pulling the strings or not.


It is not Wade's fault, it is the owner's fault because he undermines the coaches and makes them weak and then players like romo and team-obliterater do what ever the hell they want.

Texecutioner
01-20-2009, 01:02 PM
If Ray Lewis leaves Baltimore for another team and a sweet contract, don't expect him to play at his inspired level that he has had throughout his carreer. I'm sure he knows his football days are coming to an end and it would take too much work for him to get emotionally attached to a new city and new team to become the Ray Lewis everyone has branded into their minds.

That is a lot of speculation on your part. Most of the time when guys go to new teams that develop a new inspiration with their new team settings, and want to make a name for themselves with the new franchise. I disagree and think that he would play just as inspired as long as he were to go to a contender that had a chance to compete for a SB.

Brandon420tx
01-20-2009, 01:07 PM
That is a lot of speculation on your part. Most of the time when guys go to new teams that develop a new inspiration with their new team settings, and want to make a name for themselves with the new franchise. I disagree and think that he would play just as inspired as long as he were to go to a contender that had a chance to compete for a SB.

During the season, he won't be as inspired as he would during the playoffs when he'll have something to play for. Ray is an emotional player, and each year he has spent in Baltimore with the Ravens has built up an emotional catharsis for him. It's highly unreasonable to expect him to build that up with a new team right away.

As for the bolded. Of course the playoffs would inspire him again, but there would be a lull each season (after the start and untill the end) where he just won't be at the top of his game.

My point is that if you get Ray Lewis from the Ravens, you aren't getting the "full" Ray Lewis. Which is just fine for teams needing him for the playoffs.

Texecutioner
01-20-2009, 01:13 PM
During the season, he won't be as inspired as he would during the playoffs when he'll have something to play for. Ray is an emotional player, and each year he has spent in Baltimore with the Ravens has built up an emotional catharsis for him. It's highly unreasonable to expect him to build that up with a new team right away.

As for the bolded. Of course the playoffs would inspire him again, but there would be a lull each season (after the start and untill the end) where he just won't be at the top of his game.

My point is that if you get Ray Lewis from the Ravens, you aren't getting the "full" Ray Lewis. Which is just fine for teams needing him for the playoffs.

Again though, you're speculating this. There is nothing to base this off of that he wouldn't go to another team and give his all. Ray Lewis loves to play football and loves to inspire his team mates. That is part of what he does. Just because he has an emotional attachment to Baltimore doesn't mean he wouldn't embrace a new challenge somewhere else and play balls to the wall. I think he would and I don't think he would be any different than he has always been as long as other players were willing to buy in and he had a coaching staff that wasn't getting in the way of Ray being the same kind of Ray he has been with the Ravens as far as leading their defense.

Brandon420tx
01-20-2009, 01:25 PM
Again though, you're speculating this. There is nothing to base this off of that he wouldn't go to another team and give his all. Ray Lewis loves to play football and loves to inspire his team mates. That is part of what he does. Just because he has an emotional attachment to Baltimore doesn't mean he wouldn't embrace a new challenge somewhere else and play balls to the wall. I think he would and I don't think he would be any different than he has always been as long as other players were willing to buy in and he had a coaching staff that wasn't getting in the way of Ray being the same kind of Ray he has been with the Ravens as far as leading their defense.

That's the thing though. Ray strives on his emotions and chemistry. When he goes to a new team everyone will respect him for his motivational abilities, his play and his instincts, and they'll be a little amped up from his him. However, what can they give Ray? He is boosted as much by his close friends on the Ravens D as they are by him. New teammates can't, won't have the same effect on him.

YES. I am speculating, your speculating too, it does not discount the points we're making. You also seem to think I'm saying he'll play badly if he goes to a new team. I don't think that, I think he'll play as well as his body allows, which will slowly start to wear down. He'll have games where he'll get more output through emotion, willpower, and motivation, but I don't expect him to go into every game with that like he did with the Ravens.

HoustonFrog
01-20-2009, 01:56 PM
It is not Wade's fault, it is the owner's fault because he undermines the coaches and makes them weak and then players like romo and team-obliterater do what ever the hell they want.

Well coaches have that responsibility. Even if the owner undermines a coach, a coach and his assitants can still teach, etc. None of the guys like Parcells or Jimmy..with power..or guys that were puppets like Gailey and Campo had this problem.

cuppacoffee
01-20-2009, 11:43 PM
Well coaches have that responsibility. Even if the owner undermines a coach, a coach and his assitants can still teach, etc. None of the guys like Parcells or Jimmy..with power..or guys that were puppets like Gailey and Campo had this problem.


"The punishments left little incentive for promptness. Fines for being late or missing meetings and injury treatment sessions were far lower under Phillips than they were under former coach Bill Parcells.

Under Parcells, players were fined $5,000 for being late to meetings, and as much as $12,000 for missing an injury treatment session.

This season, players were fined $100 for being late to meetings or missing a treatment. During training camp, linebacker Anthony Spencer was featured on HBO's Hard Knocks after being fined $100 for missing a treatment session. But sources said Spencer was not alone in missing such treatments.

Owens was a repeat offender in being late for team meetings, sources said. With the Cowboys needing to defeat Philadelphia to reach the playoffs in the season finale, Owens was late for a Dec. 23 meeting, citing traffic problems two days before Christmas. Owens declined comment on his tardiness.

Meetings would sometimes start 10 to 15 minutes later than scheduled, those sources said.

Phillips may not be completely to blame for the smaller fines. A source said Phillips asked Jones to raise the fine total but was rebuffed by the owner. "





If that doesn't spell things out for boys fans, then they have a problem reading. (between the lines so to speak)

Jones has made his bed, let him lie in it. The boys have now reached the point of irrelevancy.

Sorry Wade, was that bus heavy?


:coffee:

Specnatz
01-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Well coaches have that responsibility. Even if the owner undermines a coach, a coach and his assitants can still teach, etc. None of the guys like Parcells or Jimmy..with power..or guys that were puppets like Gailey and Campo had this problem.

Really? If a principal walks into a class room and says a student can do as he wants, do you actually believe a teacher can still teach? :spit:

HoustonFrog
01-21-2009, 08:24 AM
"The punishments left little incentive for promptness. Fines for being late or missing meetings and injury treatment sessions were far lower under Phillips than they were under former coach Bill Parcells.

Under Parcells, players were fined $5,000 for being late to meetings, and as much as $12,000 for missing an injury treatment session.

This season, players were fined $100 for being late to meetings or missing a treatment. During training camp, linebacker Anthony Spencer was featured on HBO's Hard Knocks after being fined $100 for missing a treatment session. But sources said Spencer was not alone in missing such treatments.

Owens was a repeat offender in being late for team meetings, sources said. With the Cowboys needing to defeat Philadelphia to reach the playoffs in the season finale, Owens was late for a Dec. 23 meeting, citing traffic problems two days before Christmas. Owens declined comment on his tardiness.

Meetings would sometimes start 10 to 15 minutes later than scheduled, those sources said.

Phillips may not be completely to blame for the smaller fines. A source said Phillips asked Jones to raise the fine total but was rebuffed by the owner. "





If that doesn't spell things out for boys fans, then they have a problem reading. (between the lines so to speak)

Jones has made his bed, let him lie in it. The boys have now reached the point of irrelevancy.
Sorry Wade, was that bus heavy?


:coffee:

That is far from the truth since they still are top story on ESPN, places like here at times and on the radio. What my Boys have hit is a time of full on disfunction where the owner has pretty much let things get out of control and he fails to take responsibility for his part as GM and football guy. But even if he didn't raise the fine, what does that have to do with practice habits, penalties and turnovers. That is just fat cat players being lazy and not being sat. JJ can have a hand in that but the coach can set the tone. I doubt, even with meddling that a guy like Cowher, Shanahan and even some assistants like Rivera and other ex players would put up with the penalties and mental mistakes.

HoustonFrog
01-21-2009, 08:30 AM
Really? If a principal walks into a class room and says a student can do as he wants, do you actually believe a teacher can still teach? :spit:

Again, it never was a problem when he meddled before. At least Chan took them to the playoffs and had them playing semi-smart. As much as some extreme posters here would have you believe, Jerry Jones isn't stupid. He is still one of the best owners in the league when it comes to running a team financially and when it comes to signing players, etc. He is also one of the most respected owners in the league internally. You think he would sit there and let players be so lazy that they would burn up money?He still played fake GM and tried to get involved with Parcells and the players still listened to Parcells. The problem is that you have a hard ass like Parcells and then Wade comes in and the dogs are called off. If he came in and laid down the law the players would probably still be ok. But he came in and the minute a rule or two is broken they took it a mile. Believe me..my bro works for the Cowboys and hears a ton. JJ, as much as some would like to believe, doesn't like one bit what goes on. He just can't realize that he is PART of the problem and that he isn't a good football man when it comes to coahes and being GM. I hate that part of him. However he still wants to win, whereas with some owners it is always bottom line dollar. So to dismiss a coach completely, when he is known for being lax, just doesn't make sense. In this day and age players have to respect their coach and no matter who the owner is, etc, if they don't respect him, they won't do what is needed to succeed. I think it is another reason why Garrett is almost being told to look elsewhere.

As you can see, I have zero respect for Jerry as GM and as being a football man. But to ignore the rest..(what he has done in the league, the franchise, financially for the league and franchise), the coach, etc is to ignore that he is smart in other ways and I don't think it is just a one way street. Respect goes in all directions. Other puppets have been under the thumb and you didn't hear about these same issues.

Second Honeymoon
01-21-2009, 01:53 PM
Ray Lewis makes a lot of sense for the Cowboys but I doubt they could pull it off and I doubt that Ray would want to come here and play with Owens. Ray does not like TO.

I think it would be a great move by the Cowboys, but there is nothing in it for Ray other than a HUGE challenge. Dallas may actually regress next year and be a worse team than in 2008. Romo is obviously not the answer at QB and they now have not one but TWO disgruntled WRs on their roster now that they gave up the front half of their 2009 draft for an overpaid and undermovitated Roy Williams.

The Cowboys are a mess and it pains me to say it. Jones is to blame too. He wants to win and I appreciate that but he just lets himself get too personally involved and its counterproductive.

Double Barrel
01-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Phillips may not be completely to blame for the smaller fines. A source said Phillips asked Jones to raise the fine total but was rebuffed by the owner.

Jones acknowledged some players are late for meetings. However, he said sometimes a player is late because he has to meet his media responsibilities or had a legitimate excuse.

wow. That says it all, right there. Media responsibilities over football operations. Unfreakinbelievable.

Tom Landry is rolling over in his grave right now.

El Tejano
01-21-2009, 02:26 PM
The Patriots will be looking for some LBs this off season. Hhhhmmmm....Ray Lewis....Hmmm!!

WWJD
01-21-2009, 05:29 PM
No thanks to Ray.

Guy is on the down side of his career (although still a very good player) and he would cost too much.

I can see Jerry wanting to do it but nope...get Ware signed first. He deserves it more.

cuppacoffee
01-21-2009, 05:37 PM
The Patriots will be looking for some LBs this off season. Hhhhmmmm....Ray Lewis....Hmmm!!


More likely to end up with Jets.


:coffee:

cuppacoffee
01-21-2009, 05:46 PM
That is far from the truth since they still are top story on ESPN, places like here at times and on the radio. What my Boys have hit is a time of full on disfunction where the owner has pretty much let things get out of control and he fails to take responsibility for his part as GM and football guy. But even if he didn't raise the fine, what does that have to do with practice habits, penalties and turnovers. That is just fat cat players being lazy and not being sat. JJ can have a hand in that but the coach can set the tone. I doubt, even with meddling that a guy like Cowher, Shanahan and even some assistants like Rivera and other ex players would put up with the penalties and mental mistakes.



Wow Frog

I was being easy on them. :)

My relevance remark was more about them being in any playoff talk, much less superbowl talk.

:coffee:

Texans_Chick
01-21-2009, 06:33 PM
What I don't understand is how salary cap wise the Cowboys could do this.

I recently read a report that said that the Cowboys had insane issues with the cap--lots of money invested on the offensive side of the ball.

HoustonFrog
01-21-2009, 09:25 PM
Wow Frog

I was being easy on them. :)

My relevance remark was more about them being in any playoff talk, much less superbowl talk.

:coffee:

LOL..sorry, frustrated Cowboy fan!:bat:

ubecool454
01-22-2009, 10:30 AM
An accessory to murder would be a perfect addition to the Cowboys.

Thats a low blow. Let it go! We aren't talking about OJ.

ubecool454
01-22-2009, 10:34 AM
Exactly..just like Artest spending minimal days in the pen for slapping around his wife. All misunderstandings.:). All of these guys are innocent. ;)

Artest wife was talking back:foottap: Everyone makes mistakes from time to time. I can forget about most of them as long as its not murder. (kidding on the talking back, she hit him first..lol) What kind of shape are the Cowboys in with cap money. I don't like the Cowboys but I am more concerned on the moves that the Jags, Colts and Titans will be making. I think to many people on this board worry about the cowboys of the NFC.