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TheRealJoker
01-13-2009, 02:44 PM
Okay draft experts...put your heads together and find some potential Texans entering the draft who fit the Frank Bush mold of defense as per John McClain:

Per McClain on his chat today:

John McClain: I hope Frank Bush gets it. Frank will blitz like crazy and have the linemen shoot the gaps to get after the quarterback and give the defense an identity -- everybody to the ball and hit until the whistle. That's the system he was brought up under.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/01/t...chat_0113.html


Who's coming out that we might be looking at for this type of defense?

Blake
01-13-2009, 03:38 PM
Out of nowhere pick. Late rounds.

Victor Butler #90
Defensive End
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 235 pounds
Class Year: Sr
Experience: 3V
Hometown: Rialto, CA
High School: Eisenhower HS

Blake
01-13-2009, 03:45 PM
Round1 Possibilities.

Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-7. Weight: 257.

Everette Brown, Florida State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 250.

Blake
01-13-2009, 04:02 PM
Michael Johnson is a good DE but I think he needs to bulk up more and get to at least 280-lbs. However, I feel that Johnson will be another Mario Williams and thats not the type of DE I would like on the Texans. I want a guy who can play the weakside DE spot because I'm assuming Williams will be playing across from the TE.

So, here's who I'm looking @ in no particular order:


A.) Brian Orakpo

B.) Everette Brown

C.) Larry English

D.) Matt Shaughnessy

E.) Brandon Graham

F.) Tim Jamison

A couple of things. Brandon Graham is staying for his senior year.

What makes you think that Michael Johnson wouldn't be a good rush DE on the weakside? He had 17.5 TFL & nine sacks this season.

steelbtexan
01-13-2009, 05:01 PM
Michael Johnson is a good DE but I think he needs to bulk up more and get to at least 280-lbs. However, I feel that Johnson will be another Mario Williams and thats not the type of DE I would like on the Texans. I want a guy who can play the weakside DE spot because I'm assuming Williams will be playing across from the TE.

So, here's who I'm looking @ in no particular order:


A.) Brian Orakpo

B.) Everette Brown

C.) Larry English

D.) Matt Shaughnessy

E.) Brandon Graham

F.) Tim Jamison

You are probably the only person who wouldn't want another Mario on their DL

I'm sure the other 31 teams dont feel this way.

If a team knew Johnson would be another MW, he would most likely be the no.1 pick in the entire draft.

Texans_Chick
01-13-2009, 05:02 PM
What McClain said about Frank Bush's philosophy tells us nothin.

The same words were used to describe Richard Smith.

Honoring Earl 34
01-13-2009, 05:11 PM
What McClain said about Frank Bush's philosophy tells us nothin.

The same words were used to describe Richard Smith.

Way to go , spoil the party .:chickendance:

Texans_Chick
01-13-2009, 05:16 PM
Way to go , spoil the party .:chickendance:

Hey man, I'm not the one doing the chicken dance. If you a chicken dancing, it aint a party.

Wolf
01-13-2009, 05:20 PM
Hey man, I'm not the one doing the chicken dance. If you a chicken dancing, it aint a party.

Tc dances to her own beat :brando::texans chick:

geeze season isn't over and I want the draft to be here already

Texecutioner
01-13-2009, 05:22 PM
Round1 Possibilities.

Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-7. Weight: 257.

Everette Brown, Florida State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 250.

Anywhere you read it talks about Johnson being lazy and taking a lot of plays off. No way do I want that guy.

badboy
01-13-2009, 05:22 PM
Michael Johnson is a good DE but I think he needs to bulk up more and get to at least 280-lbs. However, I feel that Johnson will be another Mario Williams and thats not the type of DE I would like on the Texans. I want a guy who can play the weakside DE spot because I'm assuming Williams will be playing across from the TE.

So, here's who I'm looking @ in no particular order:


A.) Brian Orakpo

B.) Everette Brown

C.) Larry English

D.) Matt Shaughnessy

E.) Brandon Graham

F.) Tim JamisonHow about this?

Trade down and get Raji DT in first. With our 2nd we select SHonn Green power back to get us in red zone. 2nd round from trade down Brandon Graham DE /ILB 6'3" 270 4.72 3rd Rashad Johnson FS or Sherrod Martin FS both true FS with sub 4.50 4th Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 6'3" 270 4.73 all SEC 1st team with 3 sacks 15 TFL. 5th round Ian Johnson a Slaton clone.

IMO this takes care of most of our issues.

Honoring Earl 34
01-13-2009, 05:49 PM
Hey man, I'm not the one doing the chicken dance. If you a chicken dancing, it aint a party.

IDK ... I've chicken danced to an oompa band before and I'm here to tell ya it was quite the party . :smiliedance:

TexansSeminole
01-13-2009, 07:04 PM
If Bush's scheme is going to involve alot of blitzing I know Everette Brown fits that very well. He was on a team in Florida State that blitzed very often, and led the nation in tackles for loss. He could also be an asset on zone blitzes as I have seen him drop back on a zone blitz before and break up a pass, and he certainly has the athletic ability to do it.

Other guys that I know are good at blitzing are Rey Maualuga and Clint Stinim. Even though Rey was a MLB in college, I could see him moving to the SAM position, but that obviously depends on what his speed is. He looks plenty fast to me, but I here that he may not be. Stinim is probably a 3-4 OLB, but I could also see him at the SAM position in a 4-3. Stinim is a very good blitzer and tackler in general.

TexansSeminole
01-13-2009, 07:11 PM
Michael Johnson is a good DE but I think he needs to bulk up more and get to at least 280-lbs. However, I feel that Johnson will be another Mario Williams and thats not the type of DE I would like on the Texans. I want a guy who can play the weakside DE spot because I'm assuming Williams will be playing across from the TE.

If we can get another Mario Williams I am up for it, big time. The thing is guys like Mario don't grow on trees. Mario was 280 or close to 280 coming out of college, and had an excellent S&C coach at NC State. Remember 4 guys off that D-line went in the first round that year, and I think alot of it had to do with that S&C coach. He is now at FSU, and is credited with making Everette Brown much stronger going into this last season. I also think that had alot to do with Brown's year.

The thing about Michael Johnson is that he is only 260, or so. While he may have the height of a Mario Williams he does not have the bulk. I see this as kind of a big issue because, from what I understand, GTech has a pretty damn good S&C program. Every year I can remember hearing how this Michael Johnson guy was going to blow up and get to Mario size, but he never really put on much bulk. You look at the guy and he is 6-7 with a nice frame, so there is room there to get bigger.

You add that to the fact that alot of people don't think he works that hard, so work ethic may be a concern. Like nunusguy says, I wouldn't touch the guy with a 10 foot poll.

EDIT: Or perhaps it was threetoadpete who was saying that. I'm sorry if I quoted you and was wrong.

mussop
01-13-2009, 07:35 PM
How about this?

Trade down and get Raji DT in first. With our 2nd we select SHonn Green power back to get us in red zone. 2nd round from trade down Brandon Graham DE /ILB 6'3" 270 4.72 3rd Rashad Johnson FS or Sherrod Martin FS both true FS with sub 4.50 4th Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 6'3" 270 4.73 all SEC 1st team with 3 sacks 15 TFL. 5th round Ian Johnson a Slaton clone.

IMO this takes care of most of our issues.

I doubt Raji will be available at 15 much less after a trade down. Ian Johnson will be lucky to get drafted. Just doesnt have the physical abilities to be a pro RB.

bah007
01-13-2009, 08:04 PM
How about this?

Trade down and get Raji DT in first. With our 2nd we select SHonn Green power back to get us in red zone. 2nd round from trade down Brandon Graham DE /ILB 6'3" 270 4.72 3rd Rashad Johnson FS or Sherrod Martin FS both true FS with sub 4.50 4th Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 6'3" 270 4.73 all SEC 1st team with 3 sacks 15 TFL. 5th round Ian Johnson a Slaton clone.

IMO this takes care of most of our issues.

Brandon Graham is going back to Michigan for his senior year.

bah007
01-13-2009, 08:07 PM
My thoughts:

Michael Johnson is a good DE but I think he needs to bulk up more and get to at least 280-lbs. However, I feel that Johnson will be another Mario Williams and thats not the type of DE I would like on the Texans. I want a guy who can play the weakside DE spot because I'm assuming Williams will be playing across from the TE.

So, here's who I'm looking @ in no particular order:


A.) Brian Orakpo - YES (1st round)

B.) Everette Brown - YES (1st round)

C.) Larry English - YES (2nd round)

D.) Matt Shaughnessy - YES (2nd round)

E.) Brandon Graham - YES (but alas, he is going back for his senior year)

F.) Tim Jamison - NO (he is a good player, but I see him as a strong DE, not weak side)

PapaL
01-13-2009, 08:18 PM
Anywhere you read it talks about Johnson being lazy and taking a lot of plays off. No way do I want that guy.

Same thing was said about Mario and look at where he was drafted and where he's at now.

Never fully trust what you read, especially online.

Imjustsaying...

TexansSeminole
01-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Same thing was said about Mario and look at where he was drafted and where he's at now.

Never fully trust what you read, especially online.

Imjustsaying...

When I saw Mario in college, it wasn't that he took plays off, it was that he would be so dominant one play and the next he wasn't. Or he would dominate one game, and the next he wouldn't dominate. I think it was more of an issue with consistency, and he had problems with that here in Houston the first year. I do, however, remember someone posting draftnicks' take on Mario and one take was that he took plays off.

I get what your saying though.

Ole Miss Texan
01-13-2009, 10:47 PM
Ok, here's the thing with Michael Johnson, I know some ppl have mentioned this but i'll post my thoughts on this.


A.) At 260-lbs with a 6'7" frame, he reminds me of a small foward rather then a DE. If he has a good 40-yard time then i'll grab him but if not then his lack of bulk concerns me. Do understand that not everyone has the speed of Dwight Freeny and Johnson will have to block linemen/s that are 50-lbs or more then him.

B.) His stats don't prove much (I know, I know stats aren't everything but they do show whose productive and who isn't) senior year he only had 21 tackles, 4.0 sacks, and 6 TFLs which aren't good stats @ the college level.

C.) His ability to produce on every play and his motor concern me. I remember last year when most experts said he might go in the third round but thats the highest they had him rated because he only started one game. I have seen times during games when he sortof gives up and just doesn't give it his all.


So...

If I grab a DE and pay him big bucks I'm looking for bulk, speed, athletiism, and stats.

I would like to get Aaron Maybin but I want to see him bulk up like Brian Orakpo but maintain his speed. Also, I don't think he's worth it @ 15th overall. With Taylor Mays going back for his senior year, it's either Orakpo, Everetta Brown, or IDK...someone who can spark our D and blitx like crazy! :)

A) Freakish athlete. Does need to add weight to be an everydown DE in the pros. I'm not terribly worried about his 40-time, with a DE I'm more concerned with his burst... ability explode when the ball is snapped.

B) Not sure where you're getting your stats. Everyone has been so down on Michael Johnson this year, it's spread like wildfire across the net. He actually had a really good year. Some websites vary but he's more in the 17.5 TFL and 9.0 sacks for the 2008 season.

C) I remember last year he was pegged to be a Top 5 lock in this years draft. He's been beat down to death all season. His motor is in question and people keep talking about how he takes plays off. This concerns me as well, but we need to remember that a negative about MARIO WILLIAMS coming out was that he took plays off and was inconsistent.

I think everyone is in agreement that Michael Johnson is going to be selected due to his potential, major upside. He's a risky pick and very well could be a bust. I just think that if this current staff had Amobi Okoye rated as their #1 defensive player in the draft back in '07... I just have a sneaking suspicion that they might like Johnson some- we could see some very angry Texans fans come April if he's selected.

mussop
01-14-2009, 12:33 AM
C) I remember last year he was pegged to be a Top 5 lock in this years draft. He's been beat down to death all season. His motor is in question and people keep talking about how he takes plays off. This concerns me as well, but we need to remember that a negative about MARIO WILLIAMS coming out was that he took plays off and was inconsistent.



I watched both play in college and there is no comparison. Johnson either A) has a bad motor or B) he doesnt have a killer instinct. The guy just dont fininsh of plays. I guess there could be a C) just doesnt have a very high football IQ. I guess the combine will answer alott of questions about him.

bah007
01-14-2009, 12:41 AM
Georgia Tech must not update their site then...

Official NCAA stats have Johnson at 46 tackles, 17 TFL, 9 sacks, 3 FF, and 1 INT (returned for a TD).

mussop
01-14-2009, 02:03 AM
I believe these are the top Defensive players that fit what Bush has described our D to be. If we are to draft Defense its likely to be one of these guys. Going by our teams needs and the idea that we are going to be blitzing or attacking defense. This is how I would rate them.

The ones highlighted arent likely to be there at 15.
1 Malcolm Jenkins
2 Aaron Curry
3 B.J. Raji
4 Everette Bown DE 6-3, 250 Florida State
5 Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 245 Penn State
6 Rey Maualaga
7 Brian Orakpo
8 Clint Sintim OLB 6-2, 255 Virginia
9 Jeria Jerry DT 6-2, 290 Mississippi
10 Will Moore FS 6-0, 230 Missouri
11 12 Greg Hardy DE 6-4, 265 Mississippi
13 Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech

beerlover
01-14-2009, 03:47 AM
LB Jasper Brinkley, 6-2 262 South Carolina. projected draft rd. 5

Frank Bush, 6-1 218 North Carolina State, was drafted in the 5th rd. 1985 the year Jasper was born. also played LB in the ACC

heard nothing but good things about Jasper who is playing in the Shriners game here in Houston this weekend. He has prototype size and strength to play MLB in the NFL Shows some burst as pass rusher on the blitz. Reliable open-field tackler and can be a punisher inside. Developed a reputation as a leader and big hitter something Bush might see in common with himself. Also the Texans presence looms large during practice this week with both Kubiak & Bush together viewing the prospects. I'll bet they draft at least one player off these rosters & with one of them likely to be a LB.

mussop
01-14-2009, 05:01 AM
LB Jasper Brinkley, 6-2 262 South Carolina. projected draft rd. 5

Frank Bush, 6-1 218 North Carolina State, was drafted in the 5th rd. 1985 the year Jasper was born. also played LB in the ACC

heard nothing but good things about Jasper who is playing in the Shriners game here in Houston this weekend. He has prototype size and strength to play MLB in the NFL Shows some burst as pass rusher on the blitz. Reliable open-field tackler and can be a punisher inside. Developed a reputation as a leader and big hitter something Bush might see in common with himself. Also the Texans presence looms large during practice this week with both Kubiak & Bush together viewing the prospects. I'll bet they draft at least one player off these rosters & with one of them likely to be a LB.

Brinkley wil lbe playing in the east west shrine game.

Here is what LZ had to say about him.

* South Carolina LB Jasper Brinkley looks awfully big to be a MLB. I'm interested to see if he is asked to take some snaps as a pass rusher so teams can get a look at him as a potential OLB in a 3-4. I don't think he has that kind of edge speed, but it would be interesting to see.


I have read that he is in the 270 to 280 lbs range. I think he has grown out of the LB position. I started whatching him 2 years ago and was real interested in him at the beggining of the year. I wanted to see if he got over his injury. He still hasnt returned to his 2006 form. Makes you wonder if he ever will. I dont know if he would make a good DE. Just dont think he is quick enough.

TimeKiller
01-14-2009, 09:04 AM
I'm all for E. Brown. The guy is just 1000% all the time.

BigBull17
01-14-2009, 10:35 AM
As long as I don't hear the phrase "Interchangable Safties" I'm ok.

phantom17
01-14-2009, 11:06 AM
Hey man, I'm not the one doing the chicken dance. If you a chicken dancing, it aint a party.

LOL! ya tell 'em Texans_Chick! More power to ya!:cool:

badboy
01-14-2009, 12:26 PM
IDK ... I've chicken danced to an oompa band before and I'm here to tell ya it was quite the party . :smiliedance:As one not very agile on my feet, Earl do you have to "dosey doe" when chicken dancing?

badboy
01-14-2009, 12:31 PM
Brandon Graham is going back to Michigan for his senior year.Missed that. Thanks for messing up my board. J/K. Where is that eraser?

badboy
01-14-2009, 12:35 PM
I doubt Raji will be available at 15 much less after a trade down. Ian Johnson will be lucky to get drafted. Just doesnt have the physical abilities to be a pro RB.Probably correct on Raji, but I disagree on Ian Johnson. Many agree with you but he had a great season two years ago and did all right this year. He is taller than Slaton and 199lbs with 4.47 speed. Definitely worth a late pick rather than a "project QB" that does not survive to game one.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2009, 12:37 PM
As one not very agile on my feet, Earl do you have to "dosey doe" when chicken dancing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sTqJE4sdb0


So ... If it was between Brown or Maybin ... who do you pick and who's got the most upside ?

Brandon420tx
01-14-2009, 12:40 PM
Karlos Dansby WLB
Michael Boley SLB

what!??

If we got Curry in the first though, I would ****** ** ****** ****** **** * * * * ***** ***

badboy
01-14-2009, 01:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sTqJE4sdb0


So ... If it was between Brown or Maybin ... who do you pick and who's got the most upside ?Being honest, I have to say I've never watched either. Brown seems to get most pub on this mb, but Charlie Pallilo recently was talking up Maybin if there at 15. I'm convinced we will get a starter to fill a need, but am hopeful a trade down occurs with similar results as with D Brown. More research on my part reveals: DT only Raji has tools to do job in 1st three rounds and maybe there @ 15. He would fix one of 3 biggest weaknesses; stopping run, turn overs and getting 6 in red zone.

DE this appears to be a deep position in draft and we should get an adequate compliment to Mario. We don't have to have 12 + sacks from new guy, just some one who can make D play honest. Weaver has been a disappointment & his salary should be looked at this year as a possible cut even if dead $. I see a DE in 3rd unless Shonn Green gone when we pick in 2nd.

In summary, Raji if there and Green resolve two of our biggest needs. What would our Ws looked like if we had gotten 6 half of our trips to RZ? I think issue is will we wait until later rounds to get a "hammer"? Shonn has speed and power.

beerlover
01-14-2009, 01:11 PM
Mario Williams LDE
Amobi Okoye LDT
Travis Johnson RDT (contract year)
RDE Aaron Maybin - 6-4 245 Penn State, underclassman 1st rd.

SLB Marcus Freeman - 6-1 238 Ohio State 3rd. rd.
MLB DeMeco Ryans
WLB Xavier Adibi

RCB Jacques Reeves
FS Nick Ferguson
SS William Moore - Missouri 6-1 226 2nd rd.
LCB Dunta Robinson (resigned f/a)

just a wish list, not sure first three picks go to Bush but this addresses some definte needs with aggressive, instinctive players :specnatz:

Ole Miss Texan
01-14-2009, 01:17 PM
Dang, the more and more I think about the addition of Raji on this team, the more I think about how huge of an impact it would have on our total defense. He's definitely my favorite for our pick.

I like the M. Boley idea for adding a LB during FA. This would strengthen our LB's considerably and let us focus on other needs during the draft.

DE seems to be pretty deep this year. As mentioned, I'd love Raji in the 1st and with the deep DE class we can look at who fits in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th. Those will probably start out as situational pass rushers at first and not everydown DEs. I like the kid out of Texas Tech. He impressed me during the Cotton Bowl and looks like a guy we could pick up in these rounds. Maybe a guy like G. Hardy or M. Johnson slips to us in the 2nd rd. MJ may suffer a similar fate as Calais Campbell did last year.

I think it'd be good to address the Safety position too (as mentioned every single draft). A guy that would be able to cover, help in run support, and be able to blitz would really help out.

DT, DE, S, RB are my favorites right now for the 1st - 4th. RB being a power type of back to compliment Slaton.

I'd also like to add that Malcolm Jenkins really impresses me. If he were to be added to our secondary, I think it'd do wonders but he's going to be long gone. I think he could be the #1 defensive player taken.

Mr teX
01-14-2009, 01:33 PM
http://blog.pennlive.com/joehermitt/2008/04/small_59.jpg

i'd like to see this kid...he's a pure pass rusher. i just dont know in what capacity b/c he's a little undersized to be a DE & Lb isn't a dire need of ours.

Jackie Chiles
01-14-2009, 04:07 PM
Greg Hardy would be a great pick at 15 IMO. The guy was banged up all season and still put up numbers in the SEC for the second consecutive season. All this talk of him slipping to the 2nd round is going to die down when he tests and it becomes obvious that he has all the tools and then some. He has the size to be an ideal RE opposite Mario, good against the gun and potentially very good against the pass. He has a motor too. He is just as good a prospect as Harvey was last year but he has stronger pass rushing ability and a little less size. If we go DE in round one I want him unless Orakpo is available. I wouldn't mind getting William Moore at 15 and a DE prospect in round two or three but it is conceivable that we could trade down a bit and still land him.

Texecutioner
01-14-2009, 04:14 PM
http://blog.pennlive.com/joehermitt/2008/04/small_59.jpg

i'd like to see this kid...he's a pure pass rusher. i just dont know in what capacity b/c he's a little undersized to be a DE & Lb isn't a dire need of ours.

Why do say this? LB isn't our most pressing need, but we don't have any great LB"s other than Demeco. Diles played well, but we don't know that he'll come back and continue that. Just imagine if we would have picked Patrick Willis instead of Okoye. Demeco and Willis would have been unstoppable together and extremely scary.

If you look at some of the great defenses in the league year after year they all seem to have some great LB's and more than one.

Ravens- Suggs, Lewis
Steelers- Harrison, Farrior, Woodley (And had Porter for years)
Titans-Bullock
Chargers-Merriman, Phillips

I'm at that point where I'd like to see another dominating LB on the side of Demeco. When you have two athletic guys at LB who can do it all, it can help cover up some of the weaknesses on the D line because of the extra pass rush and in coverage if they are in good in coverage as well. You just have to get a versatile LB.

Ole Miss Texan
01-14-2009, 04:22 PM
Why do say this? LB isn't our most pressing need, but we don't have any great LB"s other than Demeco. Diles played well, but we don't know that he'll come back and continue that. Just imagine if we would have picked Patrick Willis instead of Okoye. Demeco and Willis would have been unstoppable together and extremely scary.

If you look at some of the great defenses in the league year after year they all seem to have some great LB's and more than one.

Ravens- Suggs, Lewis
Steelers- Harrison, Farrior, Woodley (And had Porter for years)
Titans-Bullock
Chargers-Merriman, Phillips

I'm at that point where I'd like to see another dominating LB on the side of Demeco. When you have two athletic guys at LB who can do it all, it can help cover up some of the weaknesses on the D line because of the extra pass rush and in coverage if they are in good in coverage as well. You just have to get a versatile LB.

You can add Urlacher and Briggs (4-3 defense). After passing up Willis, I hope we finish off the DL first. If we don't do that, Amobi might become a "bust" and that pick would be like another DT pick 2 years prior. If we get Mario and him more help, then Amobi still has the upside to be just as good a pick as Willis if not better. I was a huge fan for a Willis/Demeco tandem- best in the NFL.

Texecutioner
01-14-2009, 04:27 PM
You can add Urlacher and Briggs (4-3 defense). After passing up Willis, I hope we finish off the DL first. If we don't do that, Amobi might become a "bust" and that pick would be like another DT pick 2 years prior. If we get Mario and him more help, then Amobi still has the upside to be just as good a pick as Willis if not better. I was a huge fan for a Willis/Demeco tandem- best in the NFL.

I meant to add Urlacher and Briggs to that but forgot. Good call.

no way do I want to add another DT in the first round. I just don't trust in our ability to pick DT's in the first round anymore. A DE for sure, because we need on that bad. No way we can roll out with Weaver again, and if Mario gets hurt then we're really screwed. I just don't want to reach on any player with the first pick. No way. We need to get a GREAT player with that pick. A can't miss type of player that can be here for a long time. I just think that at 15 the studs that will be there will be at LB, and not at DE. I could be wrong and I hope that I am, but I doubt it. Top talent DE's go really early and there only seems to be two of them for the first round in my eyes.

Mr teX
01-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Why do say this? LB isn't our most pressing need, but we don't have any great LB"s other than Demeco. Diles played well, but we don't know that he'll come back and continue that. Just imagine if we would have picked Patrick Willis instead of Okoye. Demeco and Willis would have been unstoppable together and extremely scary.

If you look at some of the great defenses in the league year after year they all seem to have some great LB's and more than one.

Ravens- Suggs, Lewis
Steelers- Harrison, Farrior, Woodley (And had Porter for years)
Titans-Bullock
Chargers-Merriman, Phillips

I'm at that point where I'd like to see another dominating LB on the side of Demeco. When you have two athletic guys at LB who can do it all, it can help cover up some of the weaknesses on the D line because of the extra pass rush and in coverage if they are in good in coverage as well. You just have to get a versatile LB.

Well I only said that b/c as sad as this is given how we played on defense last year, Lb is our strongest area. + we've got young guys in Adibi & Diles who've already shown lots of promise & might be able to blossom even more under the attack style defense Bush promises to bring. Even if they didn't, we'd still be in a better position with a couple of our back-ups (minus Greenwood) starting, but we really can't say the same for any other area on defense.

I think maybin would instantly make us better if we picked him up, & if he's the only 1 left so be it, but if we have the choice between him Brown or somehow if Orakpo fell to us, i'd pick either 1 of them b/c they are prototype DE's & i think that makes them a safer pick at a critical need spot.

Texecutioner
01-14-2009, 04:35 PM
Well I only said that b/c as far as our defense goes, Lb is our strongest area. + we've got young guys in Adibi & Diles who've already shown lots of promise & might be able to blossom even more under the attack style defense Bush promises to bring. Even if they didn't, we'd still be in a better position with a couple of our back-ups (minus Greenwood) starting, but we really can't say the same for any other area on defense.

I think he would instantly make us better if we picked him up, but given the choice between him Brown or somehow if Orakpo fell to us, i'd pick either 1 of them b/c they are prototype DE's & i think that makes them a safer pick at a critical need spot.

I agree with everything you're saying 100%. I just don't think that Orakpo or maabin will be there at 15 and Mays isn't coming out. So with that being said, if a franchise LB like Curry or Mulaeuga is there, then I'd love to have them.

Mr teX
01-14-2009, 04:41 PM
I agree with everything you're saying 100%. I just don't think that Orakpo or maabin will be there at 15 and Mays isn't coming out. So with that being said, if a franchise LB like Curry or Mulaeuga is there, then I'd love to have them.

Put it like this, If/when Orakpo & Brown are gone, it then just becomes a BPA on defense in the 1st round & we could go any number of ways with the pick. I just hope they don't pick moore b/c i watched more than my normal amounts of Mizzou football this year & i can't recall him standing out at any time. I'd rather have Johnson than moore if given the choice between the 2.

Texecutioner
01-14-2009, 04:51 PM
Put it like this, If/when Orakpo & Brown are gone, it then just becomes a BPA on defense in the 1st round & we could go any number of ways with the pick. I just hope they don't pick moore b/c i watched more than my normal amounts of Mizzou football this year & i can't recall him standing out at any time. I'd rather have Johnson than moore if given the choice between the 2.

Don't want Moore either. Maybe in the 2nd, but that is it. Don't want Michael Johnson either because everywhere I read I hear that he is lazy and takes plays off?

Why do you want Brown?

infantrycak
01-14-2009, 04:57 PM
Put it like this, If/when Orakpo & Brown are gone, it then just becomes a BPA on defense in the 1st round & we could go any number of ways with the pick.

Exactly--while everyone may want a DE or S first, if the talent is gone then look for talent at CB, OLB or DT. Somebody will be available on D that is worth the #15 pick.

Mr teX
01-14-2009, 05:05 PM
Don't want Moore either. Maybe in the 2nd, but that is it. Don't want Michael Johnson either because everywhere I read I hear that he is lazy and takes plays off?

Why do you want Brown?

As far as johnson, I think i remember hearing the same "takes plays off" thing about Mario when he came out...i think we both can agree that those claims were unfounded.

As for brown, for 1 he's everything we need in a pass rusher. Big & strong & fast. He's got a great 1st step, & he's relentless. He also looks to either have been coached very well or just naturally gifted b/c he's also got good moves getting to the qb; Typically, most DE's coming out of college tend to only be speed guys off the edge or just stronger than they counterparts but with no real skills. i've seen brown on more than 1 occasion using the spin move or dipping that shoulder to get underneath the LT's hands...& doing so effectively. You should check out some video on the guy he looks to be the real deal.

Ole Miss Texan
01-14-2009, 05:06 PM
Exactly--while everyone may want a DE or S first, if the talent is gone then look for talent at CB, OLB or DT. Somebody will be available on D that is worth the #15 pick.

QFT. I see a lot of defensive talent that has the potential to be there. Factor in 1 QB will probably be taken, a slew of LT's to teams in the top 10 that need OL help, maybe Crabtree and maybe a RB like Wells/Moreno... that pushes more Defensive talent down to our pick.

I wouldn't take a CB at #15 unless its Malcolm Jenkins (will be gone) or a safety unless its Mays (supposedly staying in school). But we should have some good talent at DT, DE and LB to choose from.

TexansSeminole
01-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Greg Hardy would be a great pick at 15 IMO. The guy was banged up all season and still put up numbers in the SEC for the second consecutive season. All this talk of him slipping to the 2nd round is going to die down when he tests and it becomes obvious that he has all the tools and then some. He has the size to be an ideal RE opposite Mario, good against the gun and potentially very good against the pass. He has a motor too. He is just as good a prospect as Harvey was last year but he has stronger pass rushing ability and a little less size. If we go DE in round one I want him unless Orakpo is available. I wouldn't mind getting William Moore at 15 and a DE prospect in round two or three but it is conceivable that we could trade down a bit and still land him.

I really like Hardy too. If it were up to me I would probably be choosing between Hardy and Brown in the first round, if Orakpo is gone. I'm not convinced Orakpo is better than Hardy or Brown, but from what I understand he will go higher than 15 so he is not on my mind at this time.

nunusguy
01-14-2009, 05:22 PM
The biggest problem with most of these DEs coming out is they're tweeners
so by definition they are of marginal size at best when it comes to playing rush defense in the 4-3. And of course that's what made Mario so rare and so valuable: you don't get many of 'em in the 285-290 lb range who obviously do have the size & strength to play the run but are also quick/fast enough even at that size to still be talented pass-rushers.

Ole Miss Texan
01-14-2009, 05:24 PM
I think Hardy has the potential to be an awesome DE starting on the opposite side of Mario. I think he's a pretty risky pick though, and I think his interviews with the teams will be vital to where he's drafted. He's got to show he's healthy at the Combine and show teams he's committed to being a good pro. If he does that some team will pick him early (could be us). If he fails at one of those two things though, a team is taking a high risk with drafting him in the top half of the 1st rd.

If he passes our sniff test, I'd support the pick.. I think it's another "potential" type of pick. I think Peria Jerry has the potential to be one of the better DT's in the leauge though. I'm really interested in what kind of defense and DL Bush wants us to have. Do we go after a great NT or another pass rushing DT? Are Travis J. and Amobi those two starters? Jerry fits the mold of those two but I think he will be better.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2009, 05:43 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/2007des.html

Add Paul Kruger and subtract Selvie and to me there are about 10 DEs that I might look at in rounds 1-3 . There's also some big OLBs who may be good pass rushers .

Jackie Chiles
01-14-2009, 05:45 PM
I really like Hardy too. If it were up to me I would probably be choosing between Hardy and Brown in the first round, if Orakpo is gone. I'm not convinced Orakpo is better than Hardy or Brown, but from what I understand he will go higher than 15 so he is not on my mind at this time.

I didn't list Brown but he is the third DE prospect I would like if we picked at 15. So I would be fine with Brown, Orakpo, or Hardy. I like Johnson as well I just don't know if I would grab him at 15.

TexansSeminole
01-14-2009, 06:14 PM
I don't know if this guy "fits" Bush's system but he played ball at my high school as a RB for Austin HS in Fort Bend County (Sugar Land, TX). He is TCUs DE Jerry Hughes who had a monster season this year and was All-American (the first from my school, I think.) He has good size and speed (6'2" 260-lbs) and can get after the QB and stop the run.

Yea, you know Mike Jones plays receiver at Arizona State. I'm pretty sure Mike Jones played QB at Austin.

bah007
01-14-2009, 07:20 PM
I don't know if this guy "fits" Bush's system but he played ball at my high school as a RB for Austin HS in Fort Bend County (Sugar Land, TX). He is TCUs DE Jerry Hughes who had a monster season this year and was All-American (the first from my school, I think.) He has good size and speed (6'2" 260-lbs) and can get after the QB and stop the run.

Jerry Hughes is still a junior at TCU. I would love to take a look at him next year. Led the nation in sacks this year with 15 and was third in forced fumbles with 6.

mussop
01-14-2009, 07:45 PM
I think Hardy has the potential to be an awesome DE starting on the opposite side of Mario. I think he's a pretty risky pick though, and I think his interviews with the teams will be vital to where he's drafted. He's got to show he's healthy at the Combine and show teams he's committed to being a good pro. If he does that some team will pick him early (could be us). If he fails at one of those two things though, a team is taking a high risk with drafting him in the top half of the 1st rd.

If he passes our sniff test, I'd support the pick.. I think it's another "potential" type of pick. I think Peria Jerry has the potential to be one of the better DT's in the leauge though. I'm really interested in what kind of defense and DL Bush wants us to have. Do we go after a great NT or another pass rushing DT? Are Travis J. and Amobi those two starters? Jerry fits the mold of those two but I think he will be better.


I agree with all of this. To the bolded- I hope we go after a NT as opposed to a pass rushing DT. Not that I dont like Jerry. He is the second best DL in this draft IMO. I just think so highly of Raji that IMO we jsut cant pass him up. He has it all.

Ole Miss Texan
01-20-2009, 12:14 PM
So does anyone have any more insight into what kind of defense, scheme, playcalling Frank Bush may implement... or continue?

DEs, DTs, LBs, CBs, S?

Does he think we need/want a NT like Raji... or does he want two penetrating DTs w/ Okam to come in occasionally? Do we want a true WLB and SLB or interchangeable OLBs? Does he want an everydown RDE or a situational pass rusher? This draft will be interesting b/c I'm not sure what exactly he's looking for.

Blake
01-20-2009, 12:17 PM
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye

And now people want another tackle? Im not saying it wont happen, but good lord can we pick a player in round 1 that doesnt play on the Dline.

TheRealJoker
01-20-2009, 12:22 PM
There might be some solid LBers where we pick. Adibi and Diles both showed flashes but if a Mauluga or Curry are there when we pick it will be hard to resist. You cant have enough playmakers at LBer. Look at our defense and you will see that the biggest thing we lack is just that... playmakers.

Goldensilence
01-20-2009, 12:33 PM
There might be some solid LBers where we pick. Adibi and Diles both showed flashes but if a Mauluga or Curry are there when we pick it will be hard to resist. You cant have enough playmakers at LBer. Look at our defense and you will see that the biggest thing we lack is just that... playmakers.

Unless we put Diles at MLB and shift DeMeco outside I'm not a HUGE fan of putting Diles back in at starter. I just don't think he has the sideline to sideline speed that this division requires to win. Really doubt Curry drops to us 15 but if he does we better run up the podium laughing and smiling. I wouldn't mind taking Laurinitus either.

I'm not totally against taking a DT at 15 but the past two DT's we've taken haven't inspired. Unless it's a surefire impact DT we would be better off upgrading S or LB if we go defense.

badboy
01-20-2009, 12:33 PM
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye

And now people want another tackle? Im not saying it wont happen, but good lord can we pick a player in round 1 that doesnt play on the Dline.Looking back at the time we picked these guys, most people including me did not want Mario. I wanted an LT. TJ was a huge reach but team was trying to fill a need. Okoye was way young and was thought he would mature into a solid player. We now have one super star, one avg Dlineman and I don't know what in Okoye. So, yes, I am hoping we get either a NT to stop the run or a DE that helps Mario be even better.

How about a trade down to Atlanta (24?) and select Maybin. At our pick in 2nd we select Shonn Green. With # two from Atlanta we select Ron Brace NT. 3rd round we get Delmas or Rashad Johnson to play FS. In 4th we select DE, Robert Ayers. Maybe bring Maybin from LB when Ayers is starting. 5th we get best LB available.

badboy
01-20-2009, 12:39 PM
There might be some solid LBers where we pick. Adibi and Diles both showed flashes but if a Mauluga or Curry are there when we pick it will be hard to resist. You cant have enough playmakers at LBer. Look at our defense and you will see that the biggest thing we lack is just that... playmakers.Agreed but Ryans ain't going nowhere and we still have a problem shutting down the run. Seems as if a NT is the way to draft.
IMo, you can't just say, wow that guy is a playmaker. You have to compare what we have and what we need most. Luck happens when you can fill a primary need in first round (especially after a trade down getting extra picks) and still get a starter in 2nd.

Ole Miss Texan
01-20-2009, 12:40 PM
I've become a big fan of building super units on teams. In our case, it should be our Defensive Line. Mario is already a monster. Amobi has so much potential, we HAVE to give him the opportunity to shine. In order to do that we have to keep building the DL up. I'm a big proponent of another DT and/or DE.

If we can get 4 very good D-linemen consistently winning in the trenches and getting pressure on the QB, it forces offenses to adjust their play calling and bring in additional blockers. This immediately opens up the rest of our defense to be those "playmakers" we want them to be. Let's the LBs roam and blitz more.

I think they've made the DL a priority and they aren't going to quit.

bah007
01-20-2009, 12:47 PM
...How about a trade down to Atlanta (24?) and select Maybin. At our pick in 2nd we select Shonn Green. With # two from Atlanta we select Ron Brace NT. 3rd round we get Delmas or Rashad Johnson to play FS. In 4th we select DE, Robert Ayers. Maybe bring Maybin from LB when Ayers is starting. 5th we get best LB available.

I love the idea of trading down, but Maybin won't be there at 24. If we move down that far then we will probably be looking at CB or OL, unless you think Greg Hardy or Laurinaitis will be there for us.

Greene and Brace in the second would be excellent.

I would love Delmas in the third.

Ayers is a solid player.

Who would Atlanta move up for btw? They have needs but not anything desperate.

badboy
01-20-2009, 02:44 PM
I love the idea of trading down, but Maybin won't be there at 24. If we move down that far then we will probably be looking at CB or OL, unless you think Greg Hardy or Laurinaitis will be there for us.

Greene and Brace in the second would be excellent.

I would love Delmas in the third.

Ayers is a solid player.

Who would Atlanta move up for btw? They have needs but not anything desperate.William Moore at either safety would strengthen the team. I am not sure if they would make the trade as Moore may drop to them or they could just go another way such as LT with Eben Britton a top 25 pick 6'6" 310 with 5.05 speed or Jason Smith out of Baylor.
http://football.about.com/od/teamneeds/a/teamneeds_ATL.htm

The problem is Atlanta could sit there and still get a need player without giving up a pick. Hope they're more desperate than you think.

bah007
01-20-2009, 02:55 PM
William Moore at either safety would strengthen the team. I am not sure if they would make the trade as Moore may drop to them or they could just go another way such as LT with Eben Britton a top 25 pick 6'6" 310 with 5.05 speed or Jason Smith out of Baylor.
http://football.about.com/od/teamneeds/a/teamneeds_ATL.htm

The problem is Atlanta could sit there and still get a need player without giving up a pick. Hope they're more desperate than you think.

I think our best bet on moving back may end up being someone getting antsy and trying to move in front of the Jets for Sanchez.

Blake
01-20-2009, 03:19 PM
I love the idea of trading down, but Maybin won't be there at 24. If we move down that far then we will probably be looking at CB or OL, unless you think Greg Hardy or Laurinaitis will be there for us.

Greene and Brace in the second would be excellent.

I would love Delmas in the third.

Ayers is a solid player.

Who would Atlanta move up for btw? They have needs but not anything desperate.

Greg Hardy is returning to school per sportingnews.com

I think dropping down for a solid secondary player would be a wise move. With Robinson, Reeves, Bennett and Molden all in the fold right now, CB would be a wasted pick unless the dont resign Dunta.

Having Nick Ferguson and Eugene Wilson as our starting safety's is a huge concern for me. I liked the play of Nick, but think Wilson can be upgraded at FS.

In my perfect world we would drop down low in the first round and pick up a 2nd round pick. Take Rashad Johnson late in the first round to fill that FS position, draft Shonn Greene with our first 2nd round pick to take some carries next year when we drop Green and Taylor, and Matt Shaughnessy with our second 2nd round pick so we can drop Weaver and his huge salary.

Honoring Earl 34
01-20-2009, 03:31 PM
I've become a big fan of building super units on teams. In our case, it should be our Defensive Line. Mario is already a monster. Amobi has so much potential, we HAVE to give him the opportunity to shine. In order to do that we have to keep building the DL up. I'm a big proponent of another DT and/or DE.

If we can get 4 very good D-linemen consistently winning in the trenches and getting pressure on the QB, it forces offenses to adjust their play calling and bring in additional blockers. This immediately opens up the rest of our defense to be those "playmakers" we want them to be. Let's the LBs roam and blitz more.

I think they've made the DL a priority and they aren't going to quit.

I know your a big fan of Raji but I believe that the Packers will look at him for a NG in the 3-4 . Did I mention that I'm picking for the Packers in the mock , anyway the Ravens picked Ngata in the 1st as a NG , Hampton was a 1st as a NG , and Williams of San Diego I think was a 2nd . I think a top notch NG is just as hard to find as pass rushing OLB .

Ole Miss Texan
01-20-2009, 04:00 PM
I know your a big fan of Raji but I believe that the Packers will look at him for a NG in the 3-4 . Did I mention that I'm picking for the Packers in the mock , anyway the Ravens picked Ngata in the 1st as a NG , Hampton was a 1st as a NG , and Williams of San Diego I think was a 2nd . I think a top notch NG is just as hard to find as pass rushing OLB .

Agree, I've come to the realization that he's in all likelihood gone by our pick- much like Brandon Albert last year. I think with the signing of Koller as DL coach that Peria Jerry just shot up our draft board. I love the idea of some of these pass rushers but they're too hard for me to project being RDE in the 4-3.

I wouldn't mind a trade down at all, especially if we can pick up a good DB in the late 1st.

Honoring Earl 34
01-20-2009, 04:44 PM
Agree, I've come to the realization that he's in all likelihood gone by our pick- much like Brandon Albert last year. I think with the signing of Koller as DL coach that Peria Jerry just shot up our draft board. I love the idea of some of these pass rushers but they're too hard for me to project being RDE in the 4-3.

I wouldn't mind a trade down at all, especially if we can pick up a good DB in the late 1st.

Brandon Albert ... hmmm .... which way do you go if your the Chiefs ? Let's say you pick an OT and build the OL with him and Albert . How about Raji , Brown or Orapko to build the DL ... well .... hopefully they pick Matt Stafford .

Ole Miss Texan
01-20-2009, 05:09 PM
Brandon Albert ... hmmm .... which way do you go if your the Chiefs ? Let's say you pick an OT and build the OL with him and Albert . How about Raji , Brown or Orapko to build the DL ... well .... hopefully they pick Matt Stafford .

That's tough to say. I think #3 is a little high for any of the DL this year but that just may be me. The value is definitely with the LTs. They could have a killer killer OL for years to come if they move Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs this draft.

badboy
01-20-2009, 05:13 PM
Greg Hardy is returning to school per sportingnews.com

I think dropping down for a solid secondary player would be a wise move. With Robinson, Reeves, Bennett and Molden all in the fold right now, CB would be a wasted pick unless the dont resign Dunta.

Having Nick Ferguson and Eugene Wilson as our starting safety's is a huge concern for me. I liked the play of Nick, but think Wilson can be upgraded at FS.

In my perfect world we would drop down low in the first round and pick up a 2nd round pick. Take Rashad Johnson late in the first round to fill that FS position, draft Shonn Greene with our first 2nd round pick to take some carries next year when we drop Green and Taylor, and Matt Shaughnessy with our second 2nd round pick so we can drop Weaver and his huge salary. From your lips to God's ear. However, I have FS Johnson avail in 3rd round with Delmas ahead of him. Also, I have Shaughnessey taken high in 2nd. Things could shore be difrent come combine. I like your guys though. Still does not do much to stop run and that is why I am looking for a NT like Raji or Brace.

badboy
01-20-2009, 05:16 PM
I know your a big fan of Raji but I believe that the Packers will look at him for a NG in the 3-4 . Did I mention that I'm picking for the Packers in the mock , anyway the Ravens picked Ngata in the 1st as a NG , Hampton was a 1st as a NG , and Williams of San Diego I think was a 2nd . I think a top notch NG is just as hard to find as pass rushing OLB .Pack may be looking for a Cb like Jenkins.

badboy
01-20-2009, 05:17 PM
That's tough to say. I think #3 is a little high for any of the DL this year but that just may be me. The value is definitely with the LTs. They could have a killer killer OL for years to come if they move Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs this draft.Chiefs could trade way down and get a good tackle and another couple of high picks.

Honoring Earl 34
01-20-2009, 05:18 PM
That's tough to say. I think #3 is a little high for any of the DL this year but that just may be me. The value is definitely with the LTs. They could have a killer killer OL for years to come if they move Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs this draft.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/

Dang ... the Chiefs have 3 1st round picks on their DL . They have Babin ... they don't need a DE .

I bring up the Chiefs , Packers , and Browns because they might want a DE/OLB .

Ole Miss Texan
01-20-2009, 05:19 PM
Chiefs could trade way down and get a good tackle and another couple of high picks.

You're probably right, this could be a really good year for the Chiefs to make a trade down. Maybe Al Davis is crazy enough to trade up for Crabtree if he's scared the Seahawks may take him.

The1ApplePie
01-20-2009, 05:23 PM
If Bush runs a penetrating style with the D-Line, Maulauga would be the best pick at 15.

Let Rey Rey use his size in the middle and kick DeMeco outside. Seeing DeMeco get crushed by guards all year was not pleasent

mussop
01-21-2009, 01:48 AM
You guys are stereo-typing Raji. Just because he is 335 lbs plus doesnt mean hes just a run stuffer/ clogger. The guy is all that and probably the best penetrating interior DL in this draft. He is the complete package. If you are looking for penetrating DL why not get one that does that well and is capable of clogging the middle as well?

Like I said weeks ago, if he is available at 15 there is no one that will be available that would help us more. NO ONE! And Brace is not the answer in later rounds either. He adds nothing to this team that Okam doesnt allready bring.


Found this

http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm (http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm)
Boston College DT B.J. Raji continued to dominate. The 334-pounder is living in the backfield making interior lineman look ridiculous. The backside of this stud defensive tackle is enormous and he looks like he was born to demolish the squat rack. That strength transfers to the field as he can bull rush anyone. In individual drills he threw Oregon OL Max Unger to the ground in a move reminiscent of Reggie White in Super Bowl XXXI. However, brute strength isn’t the only impressive aspect of this mauler’s game. His pass rush repertoire is special. Raji’s first step is very quick and he gets his hips underneath him to create great leverage. He can turn the corner and make himself small to beat the man in front of him. Honestly, I have to make myself focus on other players because I could watch him all day. Raji is a top five pick in my opinion and has been by far the most impressive player on the North.

GOD PLEASE LET HIM BE THERE AT 15!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!

The Pencil Neck
01-21-2009, 12:28 PM
GOD PLEASE LET HIM BE THERE AT 15!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!

I hate to inject some reality here but there is no way Raji will be available at 15 unless shows up at the combine shouting racial slurs with needles sticking in his arms dragging his ex-girlfriend's body by the hair behind him. And even then, someone would probably take a chance.

Raji is not coming here.

BigBull17
01-21-2009, 12:48 PM
I hate to inject some reality here but there is no way Raji will be available at 15 unless shows up at the combine shouting racial slurs with needles sticking in his arms dragging his ex-girlfriend's body by the hair behind him. And even then, someone would probably take a chance.

Raji is not coming here.

Yeah, the Raiders pick 7th...

mussop
01-21-2009, 12:53 PM
I hate to inject some reality here but there is no way Raji will be available at 15 unless shows up at the combine shouting racial slurs with needles sticking in his arms dragging his ex-girlfriend's body by the hair behind him. And even then, someone would probably take a chance.

Raji is not coming here.

Yeh after the day he had today hes probaby a pipe dream. That really sucks!!! A few weeks ago people were telling me no way we pick him at 15 now its no way he last until 15. Im thinking about driving down to Mobile and planting some Mary Jane in his locker.

Blake
01-21-2009, 01:38 PM
Yeah, the Raiders pick 7th...

I would think the Raiders would go a different direction. They just invested a kings ransom for Tommy Kelly and really need some left tackle help because Kwamie Harris shouldnt be the starting LT. And with Smith, Smith, Oher and Monroe all possibly available they can land a premier left tackle.

BigBull17
01-21-2009, 02:25 PM
I would think the Raiders would go a different direction. They just invested a kings ransom for Tommy Kelly and really need some left tackle help because Kwamie Harris shouldnt be the starting LT. And with Smith, Smith, Oher and Monroe all possibly available they can land a premier left tackle.

They also cut Tommy Kelly. They are a train wreck and need to build their lines. If all the good tackle prospects go, they may make that move. Or just draft a big play WR, because thats how Al Davis rolls...

nunusguy
01-21-2009, 02:38 PM
According the the Buffalo DC, Koller was running a DLine with 310 & 306 guys inside and 261 & 243 (Schoebel, his big-time edge-rusher) playing the DEs. So that's a fairly average size set of DTs but smallish DE guys.
Guess that's what you'd expect with a line that features an aggressive, penetrating approach. Of course the big downside there is when your team falls behind.

badboy
01-21-2009, 03:49 PM
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye

And now people want another tackle? Im not saying it wont happen, but good lord can we pick a player in round 1 that doesnt play on the Dline.I think you keep addressing a position until you get it fixed. The higher the round used the greater % that player will succeed. Just because you expend a 1st on TJ you don't ignore the position. Tj was best avail at that time. I don't think Kubes would keep the guy just because of $ and Johnson's cap is not overwhelming. We may not want TJ but Kubes did not cut him last season as he saw something. Until we can stop the run NT remains an issue. It is up to Smithiak to choose when they want to address it.

badboy
01-21-2009, 03:55 PM
Yeah, the Raiders pick 7th...Really?
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.phpOT

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/nflmockdraft.htmlDE

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.phpOT

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/2009_nfl_mock_draft.cfm?writer=19 WR

I could go on?

Blake
01-21-2009, 04:14 PM
They also cut Tommy Kelly. They are a train wreck and need to build their lines. If all the good tackle prospects go, they may make that move. Or just draft a big play WR, because thats how Al Davis rolls...

Im gonna call you on that one. Show me where Tommy Kelly has been cut.

He just signed a 7 year 50 million contract (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269154) in Feb 2008.

Specnatz
01-21-2009, 04:29 PM
Im gonna call you on that one. Show me where Tommy Kelly has been cut.

He just signed a 7 year 50 million contract (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269154) in Feb 2008.

Not to mention he still shows up on their roster and he made a tackle in the last game of the season. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29780&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2008&week=REG17

mussop
01-21-2009, 07:13 PM
Not to mention he still shows up on their roster and he made a tackle in the last game of the season. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29780&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2008&week=REG17


There was talk of cutting him. After they cut Deangello Hall there was talk of them cutting several other good players. It never happend but that is probably where he got that.