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Insideop
01-12-2009, 06:00 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere else.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6207400.html

What do y'all think?

bckey
01-12-2009, 06:17 PM
To me the Texans are doing everything backwards. They interview position coaches before hiring a dc. Of course if they plan on promoting Bush then I guess it makes sense except they should name him already if he is their man. I personally would like some new blood to come in with fresh ideas. You would think they would have interviewed Jerry Gray and/or Greg Williams already and have those interviews out of the way. It really looks like the Texans have their eye on one person in particular with Bush as their fall back guy. Hard to tell.

Killer Bee
01-12-2009, 06:19 PM
This is great news. From my knowledge, he has a very solid track record. More importantly, it would keep his father Alex Gibbs here for at least another year.

GP
01-12-2009, 06:49 PM
To me the Texans are doing everything backwards. They interview position coaches before hiring a dc. Of course if they plan on promoting Bush then I guess it makes sense except they should name him already if he is their man. I personally would like some new blood to come in with fresh ideas. You would think they would have interviewed Jerry Gray and/or Greg Williams already and have those interviews out of the way. It really looks like the Texans have their eye on one person in particular with Bush as their fall back guy. Hard to tell.

To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.

Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"

I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.

DiehardChris
01-12-2009, 07:00 PM
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.

Errant Hothy
01-12-2009, 07:02 PM
To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.

Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"

I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.

What movment in the offseason are you talking about?

Nolan has been the only hiring so far, at DC. Marinelli and Capers being the only position coaches I can recall being hired off hand; and while I would have like Marinelli to coach the line here I want nothing to do with Capers.

Everybody needs to calm down and see how this plays out, before we start to make assumptions as to how the search is handeled.

Thorn
01-12-2009, 07:06 PM
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.

meh....you're maybe right, who knows? At this point I don’t care if they prop George Gipp’s skeleton up in the locker room and call him the DC, and long as the defense improves and gets us into the playoffs.

b0ng
01-12-2009, 07:12 PM
To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.

Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"

I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.

Your asking for the mood of the local fans that a segment of still thinks trading for VY would be a good idea. I'll defer to this messageboard for what I think are the forward thinking and somewhat football savvy fans opinions.

Whether we get a fresh brain or not, I just really don't care who is put back there, as long as it's a change. Sure if the change appears to hinder the defense even more than it already is, then I'm sure there will be a lot of us calling for other coaching staff heads to roll, but until then I'm not going to make any judgement of great the defense will be when the hire is announced.

I have a strong feeling that it will be Bush, but whatever. He, along with all of the other coordinators mentioned have their pros and cons.

GP
01-12-2009, 07:17 PM
What movment in the offseason are you talking about?

Nolan has been the only hiring so far, at DC. Marinelli and Capers being the only position coaches I can recall being hired off hand; and while I would have like Marinelli to coach the line here I want nothing to do with Capers.

Everybody needs to calm down and see how this plays out, before we start to make assumptions as to how the search is handeled.

What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?

Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.

I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."

Errant Hothy
01-12-2009, 07:22 PM
What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?

Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.

I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."

It always sounds like crickets chripping at Reliant.

I agree that they likely have their eye on somebody still coaching, but even if they don't I'm not opposed to them taking their time with this. Nobody of much consequence is off the market yet anyways.

Hervoyel
01-12-2009, 07:51 PM
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.

That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.

bckey
01-12-2009, 08:04 PM
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.


The whole process has been a head scratcher so far. I'm still holding out for Gray or McDermott but more and more I'm getting worried due to no interviews for the dc yet. But 2 for position coaches. I still can't understand why if Bush is their man that they just don't announce it. That is the part that gives me hope for a fresh face.

TexansSeminole
01-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

Perhaps they are interviewing Gibbs so if they choose Bush for DC, they have already interviewed a secondary coach. If they bring in someone different maybe they don't hire Gibbs, and go with whoever the new DC wants.

False Start
01-12-2009, 08:12 PM
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/booger5.jpg
"We have bush!"

Yeah, I think it will be Bush too. Its OK I guess, I was hoping for a proven guy though. Maybe Frank will prove to be a hell of a coordinator, who knows? Maybe its someone on one of the playoff teams like someone here said, if not......... we'll have Bush!

DiehardChris
01-12-2009, 09:28 PM
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.

I think you're dead on about Marinelli. I figured no matter WHO their preferred DC was, none of them would have a problem with Marinelli unless the systems were just waaay out of whack.... but when you're talking about David Gibbs - that's not a name that you can plug in and expect all the incoming DC interviews to be cool with that.

So - I still held a little bit of hope that even with the early interview of Marinelli, they could have an accomplished name DC... but Gibbs? Come on. They're not fooling anyone!

I'm not at all excited about Bush as the DC, but one positive I can pull from it is that he knows the personnel better than any newcomer would. That's a stretch, I realize - but I don't want to start off having a big problem with the new DC because at this point I'd be SHOCKED if Bush isn't the guy.

ArlingtonTexan
01-12-2009, 09:38 PM
Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.

GP
01-12-2009, 09:41 PM
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.

Hmmm...I can buy that.

The question, posed by bckey, is: Why don't they just go ahead and announce it? What's the point of hiding it? What in the world do we gain by playing it in this manner?

Is Frank Bush going to be some sort of Defense Quality Control Director or something...the guy who sits with folded arms and keeps watch over the defense?

Can't wait for this to wrap up. This is like watching "24." LOL.

Silver Oak
01-12-2009, 09:44 PM
I'm gonna put my trust in McNair/Smith/Kubiak, and know they have a plan and game plan in mind. It's tough when we see these names being thrown around daily, but they might not have been a fit for what the Texans want...at least that's what I'm going to be thinking when I lay my head down tonight.


:d:

GP
01-12-2009, 09:45 PM
Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.

But what in the world is Bush still doing here? He was wanted when he was in Arizona. When he became available, he was here. Three defensive coaches got canned, but Frank remains.

I suppose the alternative theory is that Bush is happy with whatever role he'll have with the Texans (be it DC or some other role).

TexanSam
01-12-2009, 09:45 PM
I like this interview. He seems like a solid coach.

As far as Frank Bush being the defensive coordinator. I'd be a little disappointed but I wouldn't be upset with the decision. None of us know what he's capable of as far as running a defense.

ArlingtonTexan
01-12-2009, 09:54 PM
But what in the world is Bush still doing here? He was wanted when he was in Arizona. When he became available, he was here. Three defensive coaches got canned, but Frank remains.

I suppose the alternative theory is that Bush is happy with whatever role he'll have with the Texans (be it DC or some other role).

Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.

Killer Bee
01-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Here's a decent write up on his coaching background. I'm impressed that Baby Gibbs has been affiliated with so many successful pass defenses, although it’s on the Chiefs webpage and obviously skewed to only his accomplishments. Note that his secondary ranked 28th this year in yards allowed, so I would take the articles bias with a grain of salt.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coach/david_gibbs/

The Pencil Neck
01-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.

Wrong.

You're the only person on this board who has interviewed for a promotion and not gotten it.

The rest of us were too busy wasting time on TT to interview.

:mcnugget:

Hervoyel
01-12-2009, 10:17 PM
Wrong.

You're the only person on this board who has interviewed for a promotion and not gotten it.

The rest of us were too busy wasting time on TT to interview.

:mcnugget:

I'm sorry but it's true.

DiehardChris
01-12-2009, 10:25 PM
Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.

The connection is that if the Texans are considering a "name" DC - they wouldn't be staffing the defensive coaches for him. A name DC is going to want to hire their own staff - or at least most of it. If they were to hire Gibbs, then the DB coach, the LB coach, and a senior adviser (Rhodes) would already be in place. No name DC with an impressive resume is going to want to go somewhere where he can't fill the staff out with his own guys - or, again - at least most of them.

So - to sum up - interviewing him doesn't indicate to me that they have their guy in mind - but hiring him certainly would... or at the very least, it would indicate that they aren't bringing in a "name" DC.

Who knows though? This team has done unpredictable stuff in the past.

GP
01-12-2009, 10:26 PM
Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.

But answer me this: Why is HE retained while three others were canned? Throw in the "non-renewal of contract" for the strength & conditioning coach and it looks like someone on the Texans coaching staff is already making bold decisions.

I guess Kubiak's making those decisions FOR the mystery-man d-coord who has yet to even interview with us?

Why not fire Richard Smith, retain all the other coaches for the sake of procedure, interview for d-coord, and then let the new d-coord determine who he wants and who he doesn't? Unless the new d-coord was already on staff to begin with, saw all the mess himself (up close & personal), and said "This is the route we gotta' go: Fire him, fire him, retain him, fire him..."

Only some weird arrangement between Bush and Smithiak can be the other situation: A "You're our guy if we can't get so-and-so" deal. Which would just seem odd to me.

Bush is a part of the staff for 2009-10. Maybe it's DC, maybe it's on defense, or maybe it's some other position. But it's definitely squirrely if you ask me.

LOL...DiehardChris and I were typing the SAME thing at the same time. Scary, isn't it? You don't want to be on record as "having agreed with GP" on anything. Your rep just dropped a little.

Shaft75
01-12-2009, 10:41 PM
I was just watching ABC 13 news and they were showing a segment on the Shriners game in Houston. Why would I bring this up?

Well write in the middle of reading comments in this thread on my iphone, I looked up a the tv and saw some coaches watching the practice today. Good old Kubiak was in the middle with his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan to his left and you guesses it... Frank Bush to his right.

Am I reading to much into it?

gtexan02
01-12-2009, 10:51 PM
I was just watching ABC 13 news and they were showing a segment on the Shriners game in Houston. Why would I bring this up?

Well write in the middle of reading comments in this thread on my iphone, I looked up a the tv and saw some coaches watching the practice today. Good old Kubiak was in the middle with his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan to his left and you guesses it... Frank Bush to his right.

Am I reading to much into it?

Probably. If the Texans 100% knew the next DC of our team was Frank Bush, they would have said so by now. They are waiting to see if they can get someone better that is maybe unavailable for interview and if they can't, then theyl'l probably promote Frank

ArlingtonTexan
01-12-2009, 10:52 PM
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.

My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.

gtexan02
01-12-2009, 10:53 PM
About Frank Bush: (from our official site)

2007-08: Senior Defensive Assistant, Houston Texans
2006: Asst. Head Coach/Linebackers, Arizona Cardinals
2004-05: Linebackers, Arizona Cardinals
2001-03: Special Teams, Denver Broncos
2000: Secondary/Nickel Package, Denver Broncos
1995-99: Linebackers, Denver Broncos
1992-94: Linebackers, Houston Oilers
1987-92: Scout, Houston Oilers

bckey
01-12-2009, 11:09 PM
There is one other thing that bothers me if it is Bush. He and Franklin were supposedly very close so you would think he would have wanted Franklin to stay. It was early on though so their relationship could have eroded over time. Here is a video link.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/index.asp?mm_file_id=1560

GP
01-12-2009, 11:13 PM
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.

My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.

So then, Bush is like a Quality Control guy over the defense. He ensures that Kubiak's vision is carried out? Sort of like Robert Duvall's character in the Godfather movies?

Kubiak has direct supervision over Shanny Jr., since Kubiak's an offense-minded person anyways. And he's using Bush as an adviser/director. Bush's role is to make sure Kubiak can keep tabs on the d-coord without having to spend the time and effort in doing it himself?

Sounds about the way Kubiak would handle it: He wants the ability to overrule a coach and to have (a) a person to do it and (b) a person to do it who knows what Kubiak wants, which is what happened with Kubiak-Bush-Richard Smith according to one of our own sources here on TT who said Bush told him that he and Kubiak handcuffed Richard Smith on certain things.

I dig ya'.

The whole "not announcing Bush as d-coord" thing can be explained easily if Bush is more of a Quality Control type of person. He's essentially an elevated adviser for defense. Maybe.

PHAROAH
01-13-2009, 01:40 AM
I don't think Kubiak really know what style of defense they want to run at this point if they knew they would be very serious about the process unless they have certain candidates that are still in the playoffs. I think that Frank Bush as defensive coordinator is a move in the wrong direction for the Texans because he was on the defensive staff that failed to put a better product on the field.

barrett
01-13-2009, 02:46 AM
Dudes,

I want this to go well just like the rest of you. I'm as anxious and any of you. I've been as out spoken as anyone that I want a hire! It's killing me too! I'm reading anything and everything into any little morsel of information that we get just like you!

But it's just an interview. Some teams are very public about any movement. Traditionally, this team is very hush about it's activities and usually very "under the radar" with it's choices and decisions. Part of it is we're not the GBP's or the Broncos, Patriots etc. We're the Texans. We're not a high profile team. We draft no names sometimes that are pretty good. We hire less news making gee golly gosh people sometimes. We're not a news making team.

The saints trade for guys like Shockey. We don't. Shockey didn't score a TD this year. Not one. They are much more public about there actions than we are but also they make moves that we don't. They publicly interview 4 DC's right out of the gate. We interview a few position coaches that we think might be a good fit. We're not sure. That's why we're interviewing them. We are a much more careful calculated team. Our Owner, GM, HC, Superstar WR, Superstar DE, Rookie Sensation RB are all careful, thoughtful people who are patient and team oriented. This is the nature of OUR HOUSTON TEXANS.

you gotta love 'em.

Go Texans.

Errant Hothy
01-13-2009, 06:58 AM
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.

My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.

I agree with this, in fact I think the days of a OC or DC being allowed to jettison any entire staff to bring his guys is are over, if they ever truly existed in the first place. GMs and team owners are starting to catch on to the fact that one of the commodities they have they most control over is their coaching staffs. They can being in the young guys who they think will be successful, bring him along, pay him whatever they need to keep him (unlike players in the salary cap era), deny other teams access to him until he is ready to coach for their team. I think Kyle Shannanon may be the perfect example of this on the Texans.

Texans_Chick
01-13-2009, 07:18 AM
I agree with this, in fact I think the days of a OC or DC being allowed to jettison any entire staff to bring his guys is are over, if they ever truly existed in the first place. GMs and team owners are starting to catch on to the fact that one of the commodities they have they most control over is their coaching staffs. They can being in the young guys who they think will be successful, bring him along, pay him whatever they need to keep him (unlike players in the salary cap era), deny other teams access to him until he is ready to coach for their team. I think Kyle Shannanon may be the perfect example of this on the Texans.

Most DCs don't have enough of their guys to fill an entire staff when they take over a new position.

The Texans aren't the only ones interviewing position coaches before chosing a DC. Saints recently hired a position coach before picking the DC.

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2009, 07:27 AM
There is also the possibility that the Texans have not been given clearance to interview one or more of the candidates they want to bring in.

Hervoyel
01-13-2009, 08:29 AM
Hmmm...I can buy that.

The question, posed by bckey, is: Why don't they just go ahead and announce it? What's the point of hiding it? What in the world do we gain by playing it in this manner?

Is Frank Bush going to be some sort of Defense Quality Control Director or something...the guy who sits with folded arms and keeps watch over the defense?

Can't wait for this to wrap up. This is like watching "24." LOL.

My answer to that question would be "I don't know (but I wish I did)". The thing about the Texans is that if they go with Frank Bush in the end and if every move they make every single step of the way to that result seems to indicate that they were going to hire Frank Bush all along then they'll still stand up in front of the world and tell everyone that they didn't have their minds made up all along.

When you ask "Why go through all of that?" I can't answer you because I'm asking the same question all the time about the Texans. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" They've always done things this way and I guess it's cultural with them at this point.

Polo
01-13-2009, 08:51 AM
I think Frank Bush is the New DC if we don't find anyone who seems to be obviously more qualified.

bckey
01-13-2009, 09:06 AM
I'm holding out hope that Kubiak has contacted the Eagles to interview McDermott. Kubiak is old school enough to say he wants to wait until after their playoff run is finished. It is possible like some of you have said also that the Eagles could deny the Texans permission until after the playoffs. I think it would be more of a mutual agreement between both parties to wait. Maybe if the Eagles go to the superbowl they might spare McDermott a day out of those 2 weeks for an interview. It would be a lot less distracting with 2 weeks to prepare instead of 1.

I'm ok with little Gibbs. He seems to have a decent enough resume. And if it turns out that the Texans do hire a position coach like McDermott what staff would he have been able to bring anyway? I looked up the staff for the Giants and when they were hired and it looks like the Giants were fully staffed on defense when they hired Steve Spagnuolo. He didn't get to bring in anyone as far as I can tell. I know an established dc usually brings in some people he has worked with but a position coach making the jump to coordinator maybe not the norm.

I agree with Hervoyel. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" I just hope in the end the Texans end up with an excellent dc.

GP
01-13-2009, 09:09 AM
My answer to that question would be "I don't know (but I wish I did)". The thing about the Texans is that if they go with Frank Bush in the end and if every move they make every single step of the way to that result seems to indicate that they were going to hire Frank Bush all along then they'll still stand up in front of the world and tell everyone that they didn't have their minds made up all along.

When you ask "Why go through all of that?" I can't answer you because I'm asking the same question all the time about the Texans. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" They've always done things this way and I guess it's cultural with them at this point.

This must be a McNair thing. We know he won't even LOOK at players who have undesirable character/behavior. We know he prides himself on having a squeaky clean organization. There must be clear orders, all the way down, that the attitude to have is one of complete order. It's the business man attitude: "We do our jobs, we produce a product, you buy it, everyone is happy now. No need to interest yourselves in the process of producing the product. You'll learn what you need to know, when you need to know it. Now, run along and play with your friends."

I don't want to use the word Obsessive Compulsive, because the guy doesn't seem to be THAT bad. But it is sort of like a sterile, surgical environment or culture with the Texans. There is definitely a posture of secrecy.

With the local sports media Houston has, I can see why. Anything you give you-know-who is going to be used against you all day every day.

infantrycak
01-13-2009, 10:18 AM
Here's a decent write up on his coaching background. I'm impressed that Baby Gibbs has been affiliated with so many successful pass defenses, although it’s on the Chiefs webpage and obviously skewed to only his accomplishments. Note that his secondary ranked 28th this year in yards allowed, so I would take the articles bias with a grain of salt.

To be fair, his vet Surtain went down and he had 2 rookie starters and a 3rd rookie playing nickel/dime.

The connection is that if the Texans are considering a "name" DC - they wouldn't be staffing the defensive coaches for him. A name DC is going to want to hire their own staff - or at least most of it.

I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned.

I'm with AT. The "fact" that any decent DC is going to want to hire his own staff seems unproven and overplayed. Remember Kubiak is used to Shanahan exercising GM control and basically having final say but for the owner. He has close to set up that situation here as Kubiak looks to have more control than Smith.

HOU-TEX
01-13-2009, 10:38 AM
I might be a little off-base here, but I don't see much of a problem with promoting Bush. Just because he worked under a crappy DC doesn't mean he'd be an automatic failure at the position. I'd have to guess he has his own defensive philosophy he'd be installing.

I'm in the sit back and watch how things play out mode, but I wouldn't be upset if the DC position went to Bush. He's never had his own product on the field so I don't see how we can judge at this point.

Texecutioner
01-13-2009, 10:42 AM
What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?

Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.

I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.

Texan_Bill
01-13-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.

Maybe some people feel that if he had the reigns, he would coach like he played. :hmmm:

HOU-TEX
01-13-2009, 10:48 AM
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.

Who's to say Bush isn't and wouldn't?

infantrycak
01-13-2009, 10:49 AM
I might be a little off-base here, but I don't see much of a problem with promoting Bush. Just because he worked under a crappy DC doesn't mean he'd be an automatic failure at the position. I'd have to guess he has his own defensive philosophy he'd be installing.

I'm in the sit back and watch how things play out mode, but I wouldn't be upset if the DC position went to Bush. He's never had his own product on the field so I don't see how we can judge at this point.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.

I would assume if the Texans are considering Bush after him having been here a while it is because they believe his philosophy would be different than Smith's. I don't see what is the presumption against him. That isn't the same thing as hoping he gets the gig. Frankly, I would like to see McDermott, but I don't get all the anti-Bush sentiment.

Ponder this--if the report is correct that Smith's play-calling was limited at the end of the year by having certain calls eliminated as options, who do you think worked with Kubiak to make those decisions?

da Bull
01-13-2009, 11:02 AM
Bush maybe the guy, but.......

Kubiak isn't totally devoid of defensive knowledge. If you scheme against them (offensive coordinator) you have to understand them at least a little bit. I believe Kubiak is now exercising his administrative/coordinating efforts on defense after giving Smith a fairly long leash for 2 years and a shorter one this last year. To think that Kubiak hasn’t talked with various people he’s considering for defensive positions is ridiculous…..like he can’t get Sean McDermott’s phone number or hasn’t talked to him in the past. Kubiak isn’t stupid enough to pass that information along to John McClain.

Likewise, Kubiak probably called Jack Del Rio about Gregg Williams. Jack probably told Gary to hire Gregg on the spot since they play each other twice a year.

Bottomline: Kubiak has grown into the head coaching position administratively, not just the Xs and Os. He will pick “his” team that he wants to spend 18 hrs/day with for the next year trying to figure out the opponent’s strategy. Also, he probably won’t get input from us (fans) before he makes the hires either. I’d really be worried if there was a poll setup on the HT-website regarding “fan’s choice for defensive coordinator”.

Texecutioner
01-13-2009, 11:06 AM
I would assume if the Texans are considering Bush after him having been here a while it is because they believe his philosophy would be different than Smith's. I don't see what is the presumption against him. That isn't the same thing as hoping he gets the gig. Frankly, I would like to see McDermott, but I don't get all the anti-Bush sentiment.

I just don't see what the sentiment is for to make him the guy. I don't have a whole lot of negatives that I can put on him either. I'm just trying to see what all the positives are and why people think he would be such a good choice for this team as the coordinator. What is his great strength as a coach? Why do certain people feel he has so much potential to make this a great defense? And for those who think that, could they tell me what they think he did this year to make his part of the defense successful. Again, it isn't some big Anti/Bush thing, I just can't see or find anything to get excited for regarding him as a candidate.

ChampionTexan
01-13-2009, 11:09 AM
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.

I've seen precious little hype and hoopla relating to Bush - not much on this board, and less than none from the Texans. While I've seen folks say he's gonna be the guy, and that they could live with him, I've seen very few folks say he's who they want as their first choice.

I'd like to see someone new also. A sexy name from the outside is like getting that new bike for Christmas, while Frank Bush would pretty much be like getting clothes. Ultimately, it's someone else who's buying the presents.

Regardless of what direction Kubiak & Co. end up going, I'm alot more concerned with what folks are saying in 9 months to a year from now rather than what they're saying now, or what they will be saying immediately after the position is filled. I've said before, if the defense succeeds, I'm not going to care much that I hated the ultimate choice they made for DC, and if the defense doesn't succeed, the fact that I loved their choice isn't going to be much comfort.

swtbound07
01-13-2009, 11:22 AM
Name the last time that giving someone with the name of Bush a job, promotion, responsibilities, or money was a good idea.

GP
01-13-2009, 11:23 AM
Frank Bush is not going to mean disaster just for the sake of being on staff when Richard Smith was.

There were two styles of defense on the field this year:

1. The old bend-but-don't-break which "bent" over backwards and grabbed ankles for about 30 points a game.

2. And then there was that stretch of games where there were lots of blitzes, press coverage instead of the standard 10-yard cushion that Smith had our CBs playing, and a variety of pre-snap alignments that mixed up the opposing QB (at least more than Richard's famous "Vanilla" look that supposedly masks what the defense is reallllly going to do when the ball's snapped).

Then we had the Oakland game, which was easily Richard's "Grab Ankles" defense that made the Raiders look like champs all of a sudden.

Then we had the Bears game where we beat a team playing for a playoff spot. It was back to the "different" defense again: The defense that actually works. If these defenses were ALL of Richard's concoctions, then he's mentally unstable like you-know-who at the Chronicle.

Frank Bush is one of the following:

1. The defacto defensive coordinator and has yet to be announced officially

Or, he could be

2. Retained as either a temporary consultant until the defensive coordinator is chosen, or as a more permananet advisor to the Smithiak Regime who will oversee and/or assist the new d-coord

Or he could be

3. The new 100% d-coord if none can be found when the interviews finish and its time to move forward (The so-called "Plan B").

That ought to wrap it up, correct? Feel free to add any other scenario or edit the ones I listed above.

Hervoyel
01-13-2009, 11:25 AM
Bush maybe the guy, but.......

Kubiak isn't totally devoid of defensive knowledge. If you scheme against them (offensive coordinator) you have to understand them at least a little bit. I believe Kubiak is now exercising his administrative/coordinating efforts on defense after giving Smith a fairly long leash for 2 years and a shorter one this last year. To think that Kubiak hasn’t talked with various people he’s considering for defensive positions is ridiculous…..like he can’t get Sean McDermott’s phone number or hasn’t talked to him in the past. Kubiak isn’t stupid enough to pass that information along to John McClain.

Likewise, Kubiak probably called Jack Del Rio about Gregg Williams. Jack probably told Gary to hire Gregg on the spot since they play each other twice a year.

Bottomline: Kubiak has grown into the head coaching position administratively, not just the Xs and Os. He will pick “his” team that he wants to spend 18 hrs/day with for the next year trying to figure out the opponent’s strategy. Also, he probably won’t get input from us (fans) before he makes the hires either. I’d really be worried if there was a poll setup on the HT-website regarding “fan’s choice for defensive coordinator”.

The scariest thing is that if the marketing department thought we fans would enjoy it then it would probably be there already.

GP
01-13-2009, 11:29 AM
Name the last time that giving someone with the name of Bush a job, promotion, responsibilities, or money was a good idea.

Well, we ought to hold off on that sort of statement until we see what Mr. I Mumble And Say "uhh...uhhh..." 2000 Times is going to do. He hasn't been in office 1 day yet, and somehow he's a Savior. You're atheist, Bush is Christian, we get it OK?

You should keep this about football and put your political sentiments into another forum. My jabs at you were a shot across the bow to show you what it feels like when you interject politics into a football discussion.

Graduate from college, have a family, work the same job for 5-10 years, and then come back and see us instead of acting like the snarky college kid who has seen it all and lived it all. It's a little shallow, IMO, to jump into this conversation for what easily seems like a chance to take a shot at a President.

GP
01-13-2009, 11:31 AM
The scariest thing is that if the marketing department thought we fans would enjoy it then it would probably be there already.

Ain't that the truth. LOL.

infantrycak
01-13-2009, 11:33 AM
Stay on topic folks.

gtexan02
01-13-2009, 11:39 AM
Well, we ought to hold off on that sort of statement until we see what Mr. I Mumble And Say "uhh...uhhh..." 2000 Times is going to do. He hasn't been in office 1 day yet, and somehow he's a Savior. You're atheist, Bush is Christian, we get it OK?

You should keep this about football and put your political sentiments into another forum. My jabs at you were a shot across the bow to show you what it feels like when you interject politics into a football discussion.

Graduate from college, have a family, work the same job for 5-10 years, and then come back and see us instead of acting like the snarky college kid who has seen it all and lived it all. It's a little shallow, IMO, to jump into this conversation for what easily seems like a chance to take a shot at a President.

I thought he was referring to Reggie Bush. Or maybe the band "Bush"

(well, not really)

OzzO
01-13-2009, 12:20 PM
/\ I was thinking he meant Reggie as well.

Thorn
01-13-2009, 12:39 PM
/\ I was thinking he meant Reggie as well.

I think he was talking about the President, and he was making a joke, and didn't expect to be taken this seriously. I was gonna rep him on the humor, but I have to spread it around....blah blah blah....

As to the actual real subject of this thread, as I've said before, I don't care who they hire as long as the defense improves. A lot.

swtbound07
01-13-2009, 12:42 PM
It was a Reggie Shot. My fiance can attest, i make about 5 a day.

Thorn
01-13-2009, 12:46 PM
LOL, I was wrong then and would have repped you for the wrong reason.

:spit:

Insideop
01-13-2009, 01:36 PM
Well, as most have heard by now it's official, Bush is the new DC. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6208713.html The article also says not to be surprised if David Gibbs gets the DB coaching position.

I just hope we have an aggressive shutdown type of defense like Baltimore, Philly, or Pittsburgh. We'd be a very formidable team with that type of defense and the offense we have now.

TheRealJoker
01-13-2009, 01:46 PM
Gibbs has a lot of experience and seems like a decent hire as a secondary coach paired with Ray Rhodes.

HOU-TEX
01-13-2009, 01:49 PM
He must be pretty darn smart. He's got a huge forehead.

LOL! JK

http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

Errant Hothy
01-13-2009, 01:50 PM
He must be pretty darn smart. He's got a huge fivehead.

LOL! JK

http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

Damn, and I fixed that for you.

barrett
01-13-2009, 02:35 PM
handsome bunch those gibbs'. good thing they've got a good blood line for coaching! to be honest i'd hire him for that reason alone.

ArlingtonTexan
01-13-2009, 03:35 PM
Looks like a couple of people were better at reading the tea leaves than I was.

Vinny
01-14-2009, 09:53 AM
Herm Edwards is known as a defensive secondary specialist so Gibbs had a great teacher for a few years.

GP
01-14-2009, 09:57 AM
Why isn't he here yet? Where's the official announcement?

Not trying to call anyone out on this, but it seems like everyone thinks it's a done deal that David Gibbs is the DB coach.

I've had to actually re-trace the threads just to make sure I haven't missed a post that says he's hired.

What's his status right now? Is he interviewing elsewhere?

HOU-TEX
01-14-2009, 09:59 AM
Why isn't he here yet? Where's the official announcement?

Not trying to call anyone out on this, but it seems like everyone thinks it's a done deal that David Gibbs is the DB coach.

I've had to actually re-trace the threads just to make sure I haven't missed a post that says he's hired.

What's his status right now? Is he interviewing elsewhere?

From Kubiak:

(on interviewing Chiefs defensive backs coach David Gibbs for the vacant coaching position) “I had David in here yesterday and this morning. He went back to Kansas City. We had a very good visit. He’s going to make a decision here probably over the course of the next 48 hours. He went back to visit with his family so we’ll see. It was very positive. We’ll see what happens.”

(on if he has offered David Gibbs the job) “We’re just talking right now.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5101

Wolf
01-14-2009, 10:01 AM
Why isn't he here yet? Where's the official announcement?

Not trying to call anyone out on this, but it seems like everyone thinks it's a done deal that David Gibbs is the DB coach.

I've had to actually re-trace the threads just to make sure I haven't missed a post that says he's hired.

What's his status right now? Is he interviewing elsewhere?

I think on the bush pressuer, Kubiak said that Gibbs had two interviews,then went back to KC to talk to his family and they we would know in about 48 hours(about 36 hours now) and that as soon as David gives us an answer, the texans would let us know

If I remember everything correctly

drewmar74
01-14-2009, 10:03 AM
He must be pretty darn smart. He's got a huge forehead.

LOL! JK

http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

Looks like he might be related to Schaub.

b0ng
01-14-2009, 10:04 AM
From Kubiak:



http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5101

Judging from all the scuttlebutt I'd say that the job was offered and the ball is in Gibbs court. Let's just hope that he doesn't want a work schedule similar to his dad's.

HOU-TEX
01-14-2009, 10:22 AM
Looks like he might be related to Schaub.

Here's a better forehead comparison.

http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/peyton-manning/pictures/peyton-manning-picture-3.jpg

HOU-TEX
01-14-2009, 10:23 AM
Judging from all the scuttlebutt I'd say that the job was offered and the ball is in Gibbs court. Let's just hope that he doesn't want a work schedule similar to his dad's.

I agree, Bong.

Texan_Bill
01-14-2009, 10:32 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41519000/jpg/_41519932_antdec_416_pa.jpghttp://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

The Brothers Gibbs??

drewmar74
01-14-2009, 10:43 AM
Here's a better forehead comparison.

http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/peyton-manning/pictures/peyton-manning-picture-3.jpg

Schaub's face on Peyton's forehead?

Gibbs is Matt and Jughead's love child?

infantrycak
01-14-2009, 11:06 AM
Well the second quote makes it sound like no formal offer but the first sure sounds like the ball is in Gibbs' court:

(on interviewing Chiefs defensive backs coach David Gibbs for the vacant coaching position) “I had David in here yesterday and this morning. He went back to Kansas City. We had a very good visit. He’s going to make a decision here probably over the course of the next 48 hours. He went back to visit with his family so we’ll see. It was very positive. We’ll see what happens.”

(on if he has offered David Gibbs the job) “We’re just talking right now.”

Polo
01-14-2009, 11:13 AM
A formal offer probably hasn't been made...

Kubiak probably said, "Gee David, we'd really like to have you as a part of the staff"..."If you were offered the job, is this somewhere that you could commit yourself to?"

David probably says that he's very interested but needs a few days to weigh his options before making any final decisions.

Hooston Texan
01-14-2009, 11:50 AM
I'm impressed that Baby Gibbs has been affiliated with so many successful pass defenses, although it’s on the Chiefs webpage and obviously skewed to only his accomplishments. Note that his secondary ranked 28th this year in yards allowed, so I would take the articles bias with a grain of salt.

Well, Gibbs' DBs were not helped by the fact that the Chiefs had, by far, the worst pass rush in recent NFL history in 2008. Trading away Jared Allen absolutely devastatued their rush, and it showed. The Chiefs notched a grand total of 10 sacks in 2008; since at least 2000 (the year I went back to), no team has notched fewer than 17 sacks in a season.

I'm sure some of that blame belongs to the DBs not being able to cover very well, but the failure of the Chief pass rush in 2008 was downright epic. So I'd take your grain of salt with a grain of salt.

GP
01-14-2009, 12:05 PM
What a tough decision: Come to the Texans or stay with the mighty Chiefs.

I bet somewhere in Kansas City there's a few moving companies that have been called for quotes on how much it costs to move to Houston.

Gibbs might not fit into the plans of Pioli and/or whatever happens in K.C.

What a great "out."

False Start
01-14-2009, 12:06 PM
What a tough decision: Come to the Texans or stay with the mighty Chiefs.

No doubt! The Chefs used to be such a great franchise, oh how the times have changed.

nunusguy
01-14-2009, 12:34 PM
No doubt! The Chefs used to be such a great franchise, oh how the times have changed.
And they will be again. Maybe next year. Look at the 'Phins & ATL, they turned it all the way around in one short year.

TEXANRED
01-14-2009, 12:51 PM
He must be pretty darn smart. He's got a huge forehead.

LOL! JK

http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/news/top_stories/3136.jpg

Alex Gibbs is going to find you and eat you.

drewmar74
01-14-2009, 12:56 PM
Alex Gibbs is going to find you and eat you.

Just hide behind the glare coming off of his son's billboard size forehead. You'll be safe there.

GP
01-14-2009, 01:19 PM
And they will be again. Maybe next year. Look at the 'Phins & ATL, they turned it all the way around in one short year.

Herm Edwards was like warm milk on a hot day: It was a bad idea.

Seriously, Herm Edwards is a franchise killer. There was no sense in the Chiefs going the Herm route. None whatsoever.

Polo
01-14-2009, 01:22 PM
What a tough decision: Come to the Texans or stay with the mighty Chiefs.


Those may not be his only two options

False Start
01-14-2009, 01:32 PM
And they will be again. Maybe next year. Look at the 'Phins & ATL, they turned it all the way around in one short year.

Yeah, you never know. That's what makes the NFL such a great league. I hope the Texans will be that team next year. :texflag:

Errant Hothy
01-14-2009, 01:34 PM
Imagine the size of the foreheads of the kids of D. Gibbs and Tyra Banks.

drewmar74
01-14-2009, 03:11 PM
Imagine the size of the foreheads of the kids of D. Gibbs and Tyra Banks.

Poor kid would look like the broad side of a barn from the eyebrows up.

Killer Bee
01-14-2009, 03:24 PM
I agree with GP. With Pioli coming to KC, there’s a regime change about to happen. Gibbs is probably backing his bags as we speak.

bigbrewster2000
01-14-2009, 04:38 PM
I agree with GP. With Pioli coming to KC, there’s a regime change about to happen. Gibbs is probably backing his bags as we speak.

How do you back a bag???:pirate: :)

drewmar74
01-14-2009, 04:40 PM
How do you back a bag???:pirate: :)

Provide financial support to a geriatric woman?

gtexan02
01-14-2009, 04:48 PM
How do you back a bag???:pirate: :)

Hooray for the offseason!

SheTexan
01-14-2009, 04:51 PM
Provide financial support to a geriatric woman?

Watch it now!!!!:foottap: BUT, I'll take financial support any dang day!!:)

drewmar74
01-14-2009, 05:02 PM
Watch it now!!!!:foottap: BUT, I'll take financial support any dang day!!:)

Hey, I wasn't naming any names!

gtexan02
01-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Anyone else concerned we haven't heard anything? If it was such an easy decision, why hasn't he made it by now?

The Pencil Neck
01-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Anyone else concerned we haven't heard anything? If it was such an easy decision, why hasn't he made it by now?


He's in a KC hospital right now. He was blinded by the light reflecting off his own forehead.

Very sad.

I'll probably get leg whipped for that.

HOU-TEX
01-15-2009, 04:02 PM
He's in a KC hospital right now. He was blinded by the light reflecting off his own forehead.

Very sad.

I'll probably get leg whipped for that.

:spit: Gotta spread the rep

Señor Stan
01-15-2009, 04:17 PM
Big money in marketing with this guy.




http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g67/senorstan/GIBBS.jpg

Austrian
01-15-2009, 07:46 PM
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth

Per the AFC South blog Gibbs is now offically DB coach.

Killer Bee
01-15-2009, 08:20 PM
Alright, now his bags have been officially backed :thinking:

TexansFanatic
01-15-2009, 08:23 PM
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth

Per the AFC South blog Gibbs is now offically DB coach.

Nice!

GP
01-15-2009, 08:23 PM
Big money in marketing with this guy.




http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g67/senorstan/GIBBS.jpg

BWAA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

Perhaps the best all-inclusive, multi-joke shot ever taken.

I mean, that, sir, was brilliant.

b0ng
01-15-2009, 10:16 PM
ESPN Source (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-7-415/Gibbs-is-in-as-Texans-DBs-coach.html)

David Gibbs is the Texans new secondary coach. He's got a deal and things will be finalized by next week.

It's no big surprise as Gary Kubiak basically indicated at the recent press conference announcing Frank Bush's promotion to defensive coordinator that Gibbs had an offer.

Now he jumps from Kansas City to Houston, where he replaces Jon Hoke. He's likely to get some new personnel to work with through the draft and free agency.

So there you have it. Figured it wouldn't take too long.

PapaL
01-15-2009, 10:19 PM
So what does Ray Rhodes do now? Assistant Defensive Backs Coach - guess that answer my own question...assists the DB coach.

Derrr!

Wolf
01-15-2009, 10:20 PM
Now we need a D-Line coach

go Ray Childress be a co-owner/coach LOL

(just kidding)

I haven't a clue who is out there for D-line


back on topic

Welcome Gibbs, welcome to Houston

now if he screams like his dad (from what some said from last training camp).. in the words of Vince Vaugh *earmuffs, kids EARMUFFS*

b0ng
01-15-2009, 10:21 PM
BTW, this story was broken an hour ago and not a word by the Chronicle yet.

TEXANS84
01-15-2009, 10:23 PM
BTW, this story was broken an hour ago and not a word by the Chronicle yet.

Wait until the first 20 minutes after midnight and I'm sure it'll hit on the chron's website.

TexansSeminole
01-15-2009, 10:23 PM
Well, looks like we got who we were looking for.

That leaves d-line coach, head trainer, and strength and conditioning coach still open. I wonder when we will hear word about interviews for these spots.

Wolf
01-15-2009, 10:25 PM
I got a bootleg copy of Gibb's notes on stretching in the offseason :secret:

Just for Reeves
start out like this
http://www.acupuncture-and-chinese-medicine.com/images/ba-1-1.jpg

and a one and a two

http://mirsovetov.ru/images/359/4.jpg

Ole Miss Texan
01-16-2009, 01:27 AM
I kind of find it ironic that we're trying to build from the inside out, yet we're hiring backwards.

In any regards, hope Gibbs does to the secondary what Gibbs did to the O-line!

Grams
01-16-2009, 07:15 AM
I don't care how they do it - backwards, forwards, inside out or outside in. As long as they just do it.

I am just looking for some smashmouth, in your face, hit them where it hurts, hit them hard and hit them often defense.

I really want to see opposing players get JACKED UP!

TimeKiller
01-16-2009, 07:26 AM
I got a bootleg copy of Gibb's notes on stretching in the offseason :secret:

Just for Reeves
start out like this
http://www.acupuncture-and-chinese-medicine.com/images/ba-1-1.jpg

and a one and a two

http://mirsovetov.ru/images/359/4.jpg

Where did you get this from, DanaCarvey.com?

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 07:40 AM
So now that Gibbs Jr is in the fold, what's the over/under on days under Larry Coyer is the new DL coach? I'll say 4 just because the weekend is coming up.

Errant Hothy
01-16-2009, 07:54 AM
I got a bootleg copy of Gibb's notes on stretching in the offseason :secret:

Just for Reeves
start out like this
http://www.acupuncture-and-chinese-medicine.com/images/ba-1-1.jpg

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TEXANRED
01-16-2009, 08:02 AM
I don't like it and not b/c he its Gibb's son. But B/C they finished 28th in pass D last year. They did finish 5th the year before that but 18th in 06. I was hoping to get an upgrade not Hoke II.

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 08:14 AM
I don't like it and not b/c he its Gibb's son. But B/C they finished 28th in pass D last year. They did finish 5th the year before that but 18th in 06. I was hoping to get an upgrade not Hoke II.

At least the pass defense wasn't as bad as the run defense. That Chiefs team was a mess last year. They generated absolutely no pass rush. The entire team was only able to muster 10 sacks combined. For comparison, 12 individuals had as many or more sacks than the entire KC team. That's a recipe for a horrible pass defense.

Also, Gibbs was considered instrumental in the development of both Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page, who are two very promising young safeties. The same can't be said for Hoke. The only young DBs who he has developed who have had staying power were Faggins and CC Brown. Dunta and Bennett actually regressed under him. Give Gibbs a chance.

DBCooper
01-16-2009, 08:33 AM
I don't care how they do it - backwards, forwards, inside out or outside in. As long as they just do it.

I am just looking for some smashmouth, in your face, hit them where it hurts, hit them hard and hit them often defense.

I really want to see opposing players get JACKED UP!

Watch the AFC Championship game.

Rozelle
01-16-2009, 08:51 AM
So now that Gibbs Jr is in the fold, what's the over/under on days under Larry Coyer is the new DL coach? I'll say 4 just because the weekend is coming up.

When Gibbs was fired by Shanahan in Denver, there were reports it was due to coaching disagreements between Gibbs and Coyer.

Specnatz
01-16-2009, 09:00 AM
I don't like it and not b/c he its Gibb's son. But B/C they finished 28th in pass D last year. They did finish 5th the year before that but 18th in 06. I was hoping to get an upgrade not Hoke II.

His first two years in KC he improved the secondary by a good margin. 2008, they could not run the ball for crap and their rushing defense was 30 and 31 Y/A. When you have a rushing defense like that you are having to bring a lot more help from the secondary which will cause the play action pass to work making your secondary look worse than what it is. Something Houston knows a little bit about. But the passing defense of 2008 is still better than what they had in 2005, prior to Gibbs getting there.

b0ng
01-16-2009, 09:39 AM
Wait until the first 20 minutes after midnight and I'm sure it'll hit on the chron's website.

Still not posted on the chrons mobile site

GP
01-16-2009, 10:26 AM
Still not posted on the chrons mobile site

Well, you-know-who is too busy furiously typing his latest blog entry that exposes Smithiak as dubious traitors to Houston pro football.

It's a hard-knock life.

Thorn
01-16-2009, 10:36 AM
I don't see it on the official Houston Texans site either.

ChampionTexan
01-16-2009, 10:41 AM
His first two years in KC he improved the secondary by a good margin. 2008, they could not run the ball for crap and their rushing defense was 30 and 31 Y/A. When you have a rushing defense like that you are having to bring a lot more help from the secondary which will cause the play action pass to work making your secondary look worse than what it is. Something Houston knows a little bit about. But the passing defense of 2008 is still better than what they had in 2005, prior to Gibbs getting there.

Two other things in Gibbs defense:


The Chiefs started a pair of rookies at cornerback in almost every game this year. Due to injury, Patrick Surtain started two games, and the rest of the starts were split between a 2nd round draft pick, a fifth round draft pick, and an UDFA.

The Chiefs finished dead last in the NFL in sacks. Not just dead last, but a distant dead last, as they had 10 sacks, and the 31st ranked team in sacks had 17.

Anybody who chooses only to see the crap and ignore the good is going to hate the hire. Anybody who chooses only to see the good on the resume and ignore the crap is going to love the hire. Both positions are likely wrong.

infantrycak
01-16-2009, 10:47 AM
Two other things in Gibbs defense:


The Chiefs started a pair of rookies at cornerback in almost every game this year. Due to injury, Patrick Surtain started two games, and the rest of the starts were split between a 2nd round draft pick, a fifth round draft pick, and an UDFA.


And either their nickel or dime was a rookie as well. That's rough trying to coach up three rookies--2nd round, 5th round and undrafted FA.

Texans_Chick
01-16-2009, 10:47 AM
Still not posted on the chrons mobile site

First!!!*

David Gibbs hired as Texans DB coach; Thoughts on the 'Bronco Mafia' (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/01/david_gibbs_hired_as_texans_db.html)









*"First" is the silly comment that is sometimes made in blogs because some people take pride in getting the first comment of a blog. I have no idea why.

The Pencil Neck
01-16-2009, 10:49 AM
*"First" is the silly comment that is sometimes made in blogs because some people take pride in getting the first comment of a blog. I have no idea why.

And how sad is that if the highlight of your day is getting the first comment to a blog.

:smiliedance:

b0ng
01-16-2009, 10:58 AM
First!!!*

David Gibbs hired as Texans DB coach; Thoughts on the 'Bronco Mafia' (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/01/david_gibbs_hired_as_texans_db.html)


Since you work closer to pancakes and the gang than any of us, how come stuff like this does not get broken on the chron first? Wouldn't you think that McClain would have an inkling this was going down and try to get it up at the webpage before some guy at ESPN?

I know you probably have no working relationship with any of the *ahem* sports journalists for our paper, but whatever happened to wanting to get a scoop (or any local story) first?

Thorn
01-16-2009, 11:02 AM
While this may be happening, I think it's still officially in the rumor stage right now.

HOU-TEX
01-16-2009, 11:04 AM
Since you work closer to pancakes and the gang than any of us, how come stuff like this does not get broken on the chron first? Wouldn't you think that McClain would have an inkling this was going down and try to get it up at the webpage before some guy at ESPN?

I know you probably have no working relationship with any of the *ahem* sports journalists for our paper, but whatever happened to wanting to get a scoop (or any local story) first?

I think McClain's at one of the Conference playoff games. Pittsburgh, I think. Not that that's really an excuse, but just thought I'd point it out. :)

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 11:04 AM
The Chiefs finished dead last in the NFL in sacks. Not just dead last, but a distant dead last, as they had 10 sacks, and the 31st ranked team in sacks had 17.
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Anybody who chooses only to see the crap and ignore the good is going to hate the hire. Anybody who chooses only to see the good on the resume and ignore the crap is going to love the hire. Both positions are likely wrong.

Yep, Darren freaking Howard had as many sacks as the entire Chiefs team (who started Houston fan favorite Jason "Bad Boy" Babin a couple of games).

This is from a Chiefs fan site, so take it for what it's worth but:

David Gibbs – A

If he’s not in Kansas City next season, David Gibbs earned a job coaching defensive backs somewhere else. We haven’t seen such great corner play from rookies since The Carl Peterson NFL Retirement Home started over a decade ago.
LINK (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=825963)

The more I read about this hire, the more I like it. Despite the nepotism, I believe we actually have upgraded our coaching in the secondary. I'm very anxious to see who we bring in to coach the DL. He'll have his work cut out for him.

Specnatz
01-16-2009, 11:22 AM
First!!!*

David Gibbs hired as Texans DB coach; Thoughts on the 'Bronco Mafia' (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/01/david_gibbs_hired_as_texans_db.html)


*"First" is the silly comment that is sometimes made in blogs because some people take pride in getting the first comment of a blog. I have no idea why.

You could have omitted the info about Colorado's win over Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl.

While this may be happening, I think it's still officially in the rumor stage right now.

Well it will not be on the official site until all the "i" are dotted and the "t" are crossed and the contracted is signed.

Texans_Chick
01-16-2009, 01:05 PM
Since you work closer to pancakes and the gang than any of us, how come stuff like this does not get broken on the chron first? Wouldn't you think that McClain would have an inkling this was going down and try to get it up at the webpage before some guy at ESPN?

I know you probably have no working relationship with any of the *ahem* sports journalists for our paper, but whatever happened to wanting to get a scoop (or any local story) first?


I do not know. I am guessing that Kuharsky got the information through someone on Gibbs' side instead of the Texans.

Not that I know for sure, but usually the Chronicle has the story up maybe one hour or so before the Texans press release comes out. The Texans aren't ready to make this public yet at all because they don't have i's dotted and t's crossed yet. Kuharsky said as much in his article.

I'm sure most of the folks at this Chroncle thought this was going to happen, but may not have had confirmation that it was a deal.

I don't work directly with the Chronicle writers, but I know a number of them. They are working media with their strengths and weaknesses like all of us. It's a job of unfriendly hours, so if they don't get a story first here or there, I don't blame them.

Texans_Chick
01-16-2009, 01:06 PM
You could have omitted the info about Colorado's win over Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl.



Well it will not be on the official site until all the "i" are dotted and the "t" are crossed and the contracted is signed.

Hey man, I was just taking the stuff verbatim from their website before it went away. Sorry about that. :smiliedance:

GP
01-16-2009, 01:28 PM
Since you work closer to pancakes and the gang than any of us, how come stuff like this does not get broken on the chron first? Wouldn't you think that McClain would have an inkling this was going down and try to get it up at the webpage before some guy at ESPN?

I know you probably have no working relationship with any of the *ahem* sports journalists for our paper, but whatever happened to wanting to get a scoop (or any local story) first?

Maybe Smithiak is sending a signal to The Chronicle?

Leaking it to other media outlets, and excluding The Chronicle, would be a nice move IMO. A "how do you like them apples?" signal.

Texans_Chick
01-16-2009, 01:42 PM
Maybe Smithiak is sending a signal to The Chronicle?

Leaking it to other media outlets, and excluding The Chronicle, would be a nice move IMO. A "how do you like them apples?" signal.

I don't think so. The Texans media office is known for being reknownly friendly and accomodating to the media. They have a Pravda-like ability to get their message out, and like clockwork they give information out in an orderly way. The Texans will not confirm anything unless i's and t's are dotted and crossed. So I can't imagine them feeding information to the Chronicle waaaaay before things can be put in an official press release.

I'm guessing that Kuharsky got his info outside the official Texans channels.

Shaft75
01-16-2009, 02:01 PM
I think it's so funny how the multiple media outlets fight over who actually broke the story. Especially when ESPN only credits themselves when it comes down to it. Jay Glazer has made himself relevant by breaking stories though, so I guess the fight is worth it. Just kind of seems miniscule to me. I just want the news, period.

Hooston Texan
01-16-2009, 02:06 PM
Two other things in Gibbs defense:




The Chiefs finished dead last in the NFL in sacks. Not just dead last, but a distant dead last, as they had 10 sacks, and the 31st ranked team in sacks had 17.



Further on that point: the nfl.com site keeps team sack stats going back to 1982. From 1982 through this season, the 2008 Chiefs were the first team to record fewer than 17 sacks in a year. So not only did they break a modern record for futility, they shattered it. (Well, in the strike-shortened nine game season in 1982, a couple of teams posted fewer than 17 sacks, but even the worst team that year managed 11 in nine games).

Given the fact that he had an all-rookie CB rotation that was playing behind the worst pass rush, by far, the league has seen in the last 25+ years, the fact that the Chiefs finished ahead of anyone in pass defense is a pretty major accomplishment for the DB coach.

Jackie Chiles
01-16-2009, 02:56 PM
A Texan fan went onto one of the Chiefs message boards and asked their opinion of him and I have to say I am very impressed:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3763376

I have looked at a couple of other Chiefs fan comments elsewhere and I have yet to come across one single negative comment. Not one, anywhere. Not only that but the vast majority are very complimentary of his coaching talents and are upset that he is not being retained. I didn't know a lot about this guy, other than his family connections, but this hire is winning me over.

It really is too bad we couldn't lure Marinelli over here or I might have felt really optimistic about our defensive coaching. Hopefully we get a D-line coach with a nice track record that can stick around for more than a couple years.

False Start
01-16-2009, 03:08 PM
This is good news, I'm glad to have him on the staff. :cool:

TexansFanatic
01-16-2009, 03:19 PM
A Texan fan went onto one of the Chiefs message boards and asked their opinion of him and I have to say I am very impressed:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3763376

I have looked at a couple of other Chiefs fan comments elsewhere and I have yet to come across one single negative comment. Not one, anywhere. Not only that but the vast majority are very complimentary of his coaching talents and are upset that he is not being retained. I didn't know a lot about this guy, other than his family connections, but this hire is winning me over.

It really is too bad we couldn't lure Marinelli over here or I might have felt really optimistic about our defensive coaching. Hopefully we get a D-line coach with a nice track record that can stick around for more than a couple years.

Very cool. Thanks for posting the link. I'm excited about our defense next year. I think Bush will do well and it looks like the Gibbs kid will do fine with the secondary.

GP
01-16-2009, 03:33 PM
I don't think so. The Texans media office is known for being reknownly friendly and accomodating to the media. They have a Pravda-like ability to get their message out, and like clockwork they give information out in an orderly way. The Texans will not confirm anything unless i's and t's are dotted and crossed. So I can't imagine them feeding information to the Chronicle waaaaay before things can be put in an official press release.

I'm guessing that Kuharsky got his info outside the official Texans channels.

Why couldn't the Chronicle get the info outside of the official Texans channels?

I appreciate your effort to remain above the fray, so to speak, in terms of being a good person when it comes to The Chronicle's "hard work." But that's lazy journalism when Chronicle reporters aren't out there mining that information themselves. I guess if there's not a meat and cheese platter and some bottled water on ice, with a P.R. staffer dropping stuff in their laps, the Chron can't find anything out on the Texans.

Kuharsky breaks a story because the Texans are in the AFC South and he writes a blog on the AFC South...but the hometown reporters themselves cannot get a clue on this development even though it's the team in their own city! LOL. Priceless.

That's advertising dollars at work for ya'....

BTW, I majored in mass communication in college, and although I did not pursue a career in the field...I can still sense shoddy journalism when I see it. Manfull is their best Texans' journo, and it's a distant second after her. As Veronica Corningstone would say, "That, sir, is nothing but Grade A balogne. BALOGNE!"

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 03:44 PM
The Chronicle hasn't reported this yet because they're too busy writing stories about how the Cowboys should drop TO and how awesome the Cardinals are.

That being said, the Kansas City website hasn't reported this either. They're too busy celebrating getting Pioli and speculating about landing Cowher.

thunderkyss
01-16-2009, 06:48 PM
So we're getting some "named" coaches in Houston.

Kubiak, Gibbs, Rhodes...... plus a few up and comings...... Shanahan & Gibbs.....

not to mentions we had Sherman for a little while, who went on to become the head coach of Texas A&M.

sounds like we're building a tradition... and getting further away from the expansion team "stigma"

The Pencil Neck
01-17-2009, 01:37 PM
As Veronica Corningstone would say, "That, sir, is nothing but Grade A balogne. BALOGNE!"

I thought it was correctly spelled BALOGNA and spelled BALONEY when used in slang?

LORK 88
01-17-2009, 02:07 PM
Gibbs was working with a 2nd round and 5th round rookie that ended up starting almost every game (one of which was from Grand Valley State), another rookie CB from Valdosta State that saw significant time, 2 average safeties that overachieved, and coached them to record 13 INTs on a defense that registered 10 sacks all season long (2 of which Jason Babin got and a record for fewest sacks ever in a season). To relate it to the Texans, that's like us not having Mario for a pass rush and coming up with 1 more INT than we actually go this season. In all honesty, I want to give him a chance because it seemed to me he overachieved quite a bit when you consider all that.

dickieb
01-18-2009, 09:41 PM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/j4103v/booger5.jpg
"we have bush!"

yeah, i think it will be bush too. Its ok i guess, i was hoping for a proven guy though. Maybe frank will prove to be a hell of a coordinator, who knows? Maybe its someone on one of the playoff teams like someone here said, if not......... We'll have bush!

lmao - i don't care who you are that booger is funny right there!

Tailgate
01-19-2009, 01:15 PM
I guess they were waiting to make it official??

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6218985.html

Texans_Chick
01-19-2009, 01:19 PM
Yup. The press release just went out.

SheTexan
01-19-2009, 03:34 PM
Not surprised! Kubes continues to keep it "all in the family."

Curious question. Gibbs is 40 yrs old, comes with years of coaching exp both college and NFL, has a firey DAD with a great rep, seems to be well liked by players, coaches, the media, AND the fans, WHY is he still a position coach? Just wondering!:thinking: (hint of sarcasm.)

Specnatz
01-19-2009, 03:48 PM
Not surprised! Kubes continues to keep it "all in the family."

Curious question. Gibbs is 40 yrs old, comes with years of coaching exp both college and NFL, has a firey DAD with a great rep, seems to be well liked by players, coaches, the media, AND the fans, WHY is he still a position coach? Just wondering!:thinking: (hint of sarcasm.)

Some guys preferr it over the enormous headache of being a DC or HC. Rod Merinelli just went from HC to DL coach (assistant headcoach thrown in because of paygrade) and that is all he was looking for.

ArlingtonTexan
01-19-2009, 05:01 PM
Not surprised! Kubes continues to keep it "all in the family."

Curious question. Gibbs is 40 yrs old, comes with years of coaching exp both college and NFL, has a firey DAD with a great rep, seems to be well liked by players, coaches, the media, AND the fans, WHY is he still a position coach? Just wondering!:thinking: (hint of sarcasm.)

Actually the younger Gibbs "progression" is classically more normal, than that of the 30 something young guys who are fast tracked to head coaching. A couple of the successful first time head coaches this year spent 20 plus years in various jobs before getting a chance to move up to coordinators or head caoches. In other words, 40 is not "slow" by most measures to be an NFL DBs coach.

Also, because a coach is not thought to be a candidate for a coordinator or head coach does not mean he is not good at his present job. The qualities needed to lead men as a head are different than to teach skills as a position coach. There are many example throughtout the league of career asst. coaches who are the top of the profession, but are equipped to be head coaches or even coordinators.