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dansby21
01-09-2009, 02:41 AM
If the Texans had a choice between: Brown DE, Orakpo DE, Mays S, Johnson DE, are Davis CB. Who would you want?

Personally I wouldnt mind Johnson at DE on a pass rush followed by Diles and Adibi. Would love to implement a "balls to the wall" gambling type of defense.

PS: Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more prevent defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LonerATO
01-09-2009, 02:45 AM
Orakpo DE

DiehardChris
01-09-2009, 02:47 AM
Tough one.

Of all those, I think Orakpo has the most potential upside - but I think Mays is the closest thing to a sure thing... so I vote:

Taylor Mays.

Goatcheese
01-09-2009, 03:35 AM
My list out of those would be:

1. Orakpo
2. Johnson
3. Mays
4. Brown
5. Davis

I don't like Davis at all.
Brown is undersized, and would be a liability against the run.
Mays is more of an elite athlete than an elite playmaker.
Johnson is an interesiting prospect who can dominate against the run, and pass any time he wants to.
Orakpo is a solid all around player, and hard worker, who can be an elite pass rusher.

rollinstone18
01-09-2009, 03:40 AM
I'm starting to prefer Brown over Orakpo. People knock his size as a 4-3 DE, but he's about the same as Jason Taylor.

Still, Taylor Mays over both. Dude is a centerfielder and a headhunter. If we got Mays I'd trade up to get Greg Hardy.

thunderkyss
01-09-2009, 03:45 AM
Anyone who can help us get a coverage sack would be nice

Goatcheese
01-09-2009, 07:42 AM
I'm starting to prefer Brown over Orakpo. People knock his size as a 4-3 DE, but he's about the same as Jason Taylor.


Taylor played at 260+ before Miami switched to a 3-4, and moved him to OLB. He went to Washington and stunk as a DE at that weight.

gtexan02
01-09-2009, 08:45 AM
Anyone who can help us get a coverage sack would be nice

Thats the problem with Mays. He's not known for being great in coverage. He's more of a headhunter or enforcer than a cover guy.

BigBull17
01-09-2009, 09:14 AM
Im gonna say Brown. Orkapoo scares me. UT guys dont have the best track record in recent years, Mays is another one that Im not fond of. Just a feeling.

Ole Miss Texan
01-09-2009, 10:58 AM
Tough one. For me it depends on who the new DC is. I have heartburn with all these players. I really like Sean McDermott from the Eagles. Let's pretend he's the new DC... I could see him taking a S like Mays b/c he uses safety blitzes a decent amount and Mays would instantly be our best safety. But Brown could be a good possibility. If he's convinced Brown could play 4-3 OLB and then bring him up to the line on passing downs as a 5th linemen or something.

How is E. Brown in coverage as a part time LB?

Honoring Earl 34
01-09-2009, 11:11 AM
Tough one. For me it depends on who the new DC is. I have heartburn with all these players. I really like Sean McDermott from the Eagles. Let's pretend he's the new DC... I could see him taking a S like Mays b/c he uses safety blitzes a decent amount and Mays would instantly be our best safety. But Brown could be a good possibility. If he's convinced Brown could play 4-3 OLB and then bring him up to the line on passing downs as a 5th linemen or something.

How is E. Brown in coverage as a part time LB?

I think it boils down to this .

1. Taylor Mays S
2. Matt Schaunessy DE

or

1. Everette Brown
2. Patrick Chung

Texecutioner
01-09-2009, 11:22 AM
Michael JOhnson has a lot of motivational issues and lacks effort a lot.

That is what all the write ups say any way. He seems to have a strong reputation for taking plays off.

I don't want a guy like that.

steelbtexan
01-09-2009, 11:30 AM
I think it boils down to this .

1. Taylor Mays S
2. Matt Schaunessy DE

or

1. Everette Brown
2. Patrick Chung

Yup

Give me Brown & Chung

Orakpo is to injury prone for my taste.

I love Mays but the drop off between Brown & Shaunessy is far greater than the dropoff between Mays & Chung

If Raji is there & Marinelli is the DL coach I think Smithiak will strongly consider him also.

Honoring Earl 34
01-09-2009, 11:36 AM
Michael JOhnson has a lot of motivational issues and lacks effort a lot.

That is what all the write ups say any way. He seems to have a strong reputation for taking plays off.

I don't want a guy like that.

I've read where he can't keep his weight on either .

Wolf6151
01-09-2009, 12:17 PM
Everette Brown
Taylor Mays
Vontae Davis
Brian Orakpo
Michael Johnson

bah007
01-09-2009, 12:30 PM
Im gonna say Brown. Orkapoo scares me. UT guys dont have the best track record in recent years, Mays is another one that Im not fond of. Just a feeling.

Pretty much every guy that was on the 05 championship team besides VY and Huff has played well in the NFL. Orakpo was on that team.

BigBull17
01-09-2009, 12:33 PM
Pretty much every guy that was on the 05 championship team besides VY and Huff has played well in the NFL. Orakpo was on that team.

Was'nt Okam? UT guys in the 1st round have been very iffy the last 5ish years. Im not just making this up. Roy Williams, Ced Bensen, VY, Huff, even Shaun Rodgers is inconsistant. Their guys who were taken later are the gems.

badboy
01-09-2009, 12:33 PM
Tough one.

Of all those, I think Orakpo has the most potential upside - but I think Mays is the closest thing to a sure thing... so I vote:

Taylor Mays.I'd go Orakpo thinking that as a DE he could disrupt a pass or aid in stopping the run. I really like Mays and agree with your assessment as a "sure thing". As noted, If Mays is at 15 I think we can work a trade down and get a 3rd and a 6th or better. I would take trade over Mays but am unsure if trade is worth more to me than Orakpo.

bah007
01-09-2009, 12:41 PM
Was'nt Okam? UT guys in the 1st round have been very iffy the last 5ish years. Im not just making this up. Roy Williams, Ced Bensen, VY, Huff, even Shaun Rodgers is inconsistant. Their guys who were taken later are the gems.

Okam hasn't been given a chance yet. It's too early to grade him.

Roy Williams was the best player on terrible teams for years with Detroit. Didn't get much help at QB.

I will give you Benson. Plus i already mentioned VY and Huff. Benson looked good for the Bengals late this year, but that isn't enough to override the beginning of his career.

Rodgers is inconsistent, but he is a good player. Nobody doubts that.

Aaron Ross is a good player for the Giants. Michael Griffin is one of the best players on an awesome Titans defense.

beerlover
01-09-2009, 12:41 PM
if Marinelli is hired as D-Line coach precedent was made last year with Gibbs, that the Texans will address the line with bpa given the bpv (best possible value). meaning if their #1 linemen isn't still on the board @ #15 they trade down & draft a player with measureables, package of skills, mental make-up & athletic ability to fit the scheme he wants to implant here in Houston.

evaluations will commence of current roster, gaps to fill, whats missing in coaching or skill technique/scheme. TJ could become more disruptive, its not uncommon that DT's take time to develop not to mention this will be his third scheme change in four years. similar situation with Amobi going into year three in his second scheme adjustment. Players like Deljuan Robinson, Tim Bulman & Jesse Nading flashed upside.

last but not least Mario Williams, drafted to play RDE, versatile to play either side, requiring double teams. draft a freakish compliment with both size & speed who can flip as well would give the Texans excellent depth, flexability & talent across the DL. so I would suggest none of the above. instead trade down & draft Greg Hardy late 1st rd. & pick up another Steve Slaton in the 3rd. thereby addressing needs on both sides of the ball then everyone can be happy :)

BigBull17
01-09-2009, 12:47 PM
Okam hasn't been given a chance yet. It's too early to grade him.

Roy Williams was the best player on terrible teams for years with Detroit. Didn't get much help at QB.

I will give you Benson. Plus i already mentioned VY and Huff. Benson looked good for the Bengals late this year, but that isn't enough to override the beginning of his career.

Rodgers is inconsistent, but he is a good player. Nobody doubts that.

Aaron Ross is a good player for the Giants. Michael Griffin is one of the best players on an awesome Titans defense.

Ill give you Ross and Griffin, they are pretty good. Griffin was projected later and was a "reach". He worked out great but was. Rodgers and Williams were traded because they werent part of the solution, they were part of the problem. I would just think twice about UT guys in the 1st because they have around a 40% success rate. You do have to consider Rodgers and Williams failures because they aarent on their original team. I would look at UT guys later in the draft, because they have good players. Just some of their high picks have a rockstar mentality. I really like big #99 and Obinaya(#3). They are guys I want in the later rounds. Im just kinda worried about 1st round money on a program that has some nasty misses.

bah007
01-09-2009, 12:50 PM
Ill give you Ross and Griffin, they are pretty good. Griffin was projected later and was a "reach". He worked out great but was. Rodgers and Williams were traded because they werent part of the solution, they were part of the problem. I would just think twice about UT guys in the 1st because they have around a 40% success rate. You do have to consider Rodgers and Williams failures because they aarent on their original team. I would look at UT guys later in the draft, because they have good players. Just some of their high picks have a rockstar mentality. I really like big #99 and Obinaya(#3). They are guys I want in the later rounds. Im just kinda worried about 1st round money on a program that has some nasty misses.

That's fine. I'm not really arguing this point. Just trying to give you an opposing point of view.

There is no denying the draft history at UT. They have had some big flops.

But I wouldn't pass on a guy just because of that if he looks like the real deal. If you see something about Orakpo's game that you don't like, then you pass on him. But not just because of what school he went to.

badboy
01-09-2009, 01:01 PM
if Marinelli is hired as D-Line coach precedent was made last year with Gibbs, that the Texans will address the line with bpa given the bpv (best possible value). meaning if their #1 linemen isn't still on the board @ #15 they trade down & draft a player with measureables, package of skills, mental make-up & athletic ability to fit the scheme he wants to implant here in Houston.

evaluations will commence of current roster, gaps to fill, whats missing in coaching or skill technique/scheme. TJ could become more disruptive, its not uncommon that DT's take time to develop not to mention this will be his third scheme change in four years. similar situation with Amobi going into year three in his second scheme adjustment. Players like Deljuan Robinson, Tim Bulman & Jesse Nading flashed upside.

last but not least Mario Williams, drafted to play RDE, versatile to play either side, requiring double teams. draft a freakish compliment with both size & speed who can flip as well would give the Texans excellent depth, flexability & talent across the DL. so I would suggest none of the above. instead trade down & draft Greg Hardy late 1st rd. & pick up another Steve Slaton in the 3rd. thereby addressing needs on both sides of the ball then everyone can be happy :)I'm ok with this if you can convince me Hardy is worth a 1st as draft scout does not have listed in top 5? I give Brandon Graham in 2nd a nod over Hardy in first. I'd go FS 1st in trade down as I've discussed. Give me your position on Hardy.

beerlover
01-09-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm ok with this if you can convince me Hardy is worth a 1st as draft scout does not have listed in top 5? I give Brandon Graham in 2nd a nod over Hardy in first. I'd go FS 1st in trade down as I've discussed. Give me your position on Hardy.

underclassman who has missed playing time because of injurys. it all depends on his decision to come out early, no word yet. still growing into body which may explain his injury (missed the first three games this year recovering from surgery to repair a broken foot bone) still averaged more than a sack per game over the last two seasons. He had 8.5 sacks this season in eight games. Everydown complete DE with NFL size, think Phillip Merling, drafted #32 in the last draft by Miami with better speed & athletic ability. most important is how the Texans use him to compliment Mario, meaning the Texans can still move Mario both sides while just flipping Hardy to hold the edge @ the LDE in run support with pass rushing instincts, Texans know teams have to game plan against Mario, this gives the Texans the flexability to address that.

BigBull17
01-09-2009, 01:58 PM
That's fine. I'm not really arguing this point. Just trying to give you an opposing point of view.

There is no denying the draft history at UT. They have had some big flops.

But I wouldn't pass on a guy just because of that if he looks like the real deal. If you see something about Orakpo's game that you don't like, then you pass on him. But not just because of what school he went to.

I get your point. I would'nt have a nervous breakdown if we get him. He is far from the worst we could get. I'm just not real high on him.

badboy
01-09-2009, 02:13 PM
underclassman who has missed playing time because of injurys. it all depends on his decision to come out early, no word yet. still growing into body which may explain his injury (missed the first three games this year recovering from surgery to repair a broken foot bone) still averaged more than a sack per game over the last two seasons. He had 8.5 sacks this season in eight games. Everydown complete DE with NFL size, think Phillip Merling, drafted #32 in the last draft by Miami with better speed & athletic ability. most important is how the Texans use him to compliment Mario, meaning the Texans can still move Mario both sides while just flipping Hardy to hold the edge @ the LDE in run support with pass rushing instincts, Texans know teams have to game plan against Mario, this gives the Texans the flexability to address that.Ok, decent info exceot for concerns on injuries but same could be said for my guy William Moore who has apparently recovered from foot injury. Would Hardy be available in late 20s? I want a trade down and still get a starter as we did with D. Brown. Infantrycak, I think mentioned a 15 could be worth a 2nd round. How about this,

1. Hardy :DE to compliment Mario
2. Shonn Green our PB with 4.54 to break a long one or go around end
2b Brandon Graham ILB 6'3" 270 4.72 back up DE
3. Rashad Johnson FS 4.49
4. Ian Johnson Slaton type with 4.47 40, 2 inches taller and 2 lbs less

Goatcheese
01-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Ill give you Ross and Griffin, they are pretty good. Griffin was projected later and was a "reach". He worked out great but was. Rodgers and Williams were traded because they werent part of the solution, they were part of the problem. I would just think twice about UT guys in the 1st because they have around a 40% success rate. You do have to consider Rodgers and Williams failures because they aarent on their original team. I would look at UT guys later in the draft, because they have good players. Just some of their high picks have a rockstar mentality. I really like big #99 and Obinaya(#3). They are guys I want in the later rounds. Im just kinda worried about 1st round money on a program that has some nasty misses.


How can you count two probowlers as failures? They were both traded for players/ high draft picks. If D-Rob leaves in free agency does that mean he's a failure?

76Texan
01-09-2009, 02:34 PM
If the Texans had a choice between: Brown DE, Orakpo DE, Mays S, Johnson DE, are Davis CB. Who would you want?

Personally I wouldnt mind Johnson at DE on a pass rush followed by Diles and Adibi. Would love to implement a "balls to the wall" gambling type of defense.

PS: Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more prevent defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a real toss-up for me between Mays and Orakpo.

I'm not very impressed by Johnson.
Haven't seen enough of Brown or Davis.

I absolutely love Mays.
And Orakpo, you know what? During the off-season, when I was reviewing those UT games to check out Okam, one guy just kept encroaching on the cornea, and his number is 98.

Mr teX
01-09-2009, 03:13 PM
That's tough...I've been clamoring for a ball hawk safety since Landry/Nelson came out but there's no denying what Orakpo could bring off the edge...the others aren't even in the same class IMO...so with that i'm gonna have to say... MAYS :)

BigBull17
01-09-2009, 03:15 PM
How can you count two probowlers as failures? They were both traded for players/ high draft picks. If D-Rob leaves in free agency does that mean he's a failure?

The team that drafted them, and the team that traded for them, are losing teams/not in the play-offs. How could you call them successful? Who cares about their individual stuff if you win 5-7 games a year. I would rather get a guy who never makes the Pro Bowl if we get over the hump.

Honoring Earl 34
01-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Hmmm !


http://www.petecarroll.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/404110/pid/400025

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKBeI1uVtU

Spled
01-09-2009, 04:11 PM
Roy Williams has been to the pro bowl and has 4000 yards receiving in 5 seasons. That's not hall of fame numbers, but it's not bust numbers either. I think a lot of his problems in Dallas had to do with Romo's inability to use more than 2 options in the passing game.

Orakpo won't be there at 15, but if he was you'd have to jump on him. He had 10 and a half sacks as a senior.

badboy
01-09-2009, 04:50 PM
This and other threads make me confident we will land someone pretty good and a probable starter if we keep 15. My imagination just goes wild with trade down scenarios.

BigBull17
01-10-2009, 08:48 PM
Roy Williams has been to the pro bowl and has 4000 yards receiving in 5 seasons. That's not hall of fame numbers, but it's not bust numbers either. I think a lot of his problems in Dallas had to do with Romo's inability to use more than 2 options in the passing game.

Orakpo won't be there at 15, but if he was you'd have to jump on him. He had 10 and a half sacks as a senior.

We'll see if he proves me wrong next year.

Goatcheese
01-11-2009, 05:30 AM
The team that drafted them, and the team that traded for them, are losing teams/not in the play-offs. How could you call them successful? Who cares about their individual stuff if you win 5-7 games a year. I would rather get a guy who never makes the Pro Bowl if we get over the hump.

You're right. It doesn't matter how good an individual player is. We should build our team out of Playoff teams practice squads. Their team has a great record, so they will help us win. Let's trade Andre Johnson for whatever reciever is on the Giants practice squad. Good deal imo. Heck, they might be stupid enough to trade us a couple of guys, because they think having "good" players will help you win.

Incase you didn't catch it, that's sarcasm.

BigBull17
01-12-2009, 08:11 AM
You're right. It doesn't matter how good an individual player is. We should build our team out of Playoff teams practice squads. Their team has a great record, so they will help us win. Let's trade Andre Johnson for whatever reciever is on the Giants practice squad. Good deal imo. Heck, they might be stupid enough to trade us a couple of guys, because they think having "good" players will help you win.

Incase you didn't catch it, that's sarcasm.

Nice. AJ is 10 times the WR that Roy Williams is. Shaun Rodgers got traded becaus ehe was a fat lazy turd. Which Ced Bensen, VY, and most of the Texas 1st round picks, minus Ross and Griffen have been. Big difference.

Insideop
01-12-2009, 04:40 PM
I think it boils down to this .

1. Taylor Mays S
2. Matt Schaunessy DE

or

1. Everette Brown
2. Patrick Chung

If that is the choice, I'd have to agree with steelbtexan and go with Brown and Chung. I'm just not sure that is the choice. I still think the Texans will try to trade down again in the 1st. Don't know why, just a gut feeling. Besides that, Mays and Brown may be gone at 15. Then what will they do? I just hope Smith can find a trading partner, like Baltimore last year, that might be willing to reach for someone they think is special.

BigBull17
01-13-2009, 08:09 AM
If that is the choice, I'd have to agree with steelbtexan and go with Brown and Chung. I'm just not sure that is the choice. I still think the Texans will try to trade down again in the 1st. Don't know why, just a gut feeling. Besides that, Mays and Brown may be gone at 15. Then what will they do? I just hope Smith can find a trading partner, like Baltimore last year, that might be willing to reach for someone they think is special.

Most likly a guy like Sanchez or Wells would be the target of a trade up. Or a Left Tackle for a team like Detroit. They have alot of picks and could move.