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Wolf
01-08-2009, 01:55 PM
I did a search and didn't see anything pull up so,if I missed it. mods please merge

Fred Stamps-Edmonton receiver
Edmonton still has receivers Fred Stamps and Maurice Mann, but both are also eligible to return to the NFL. Stamps may already have a tryout with the Houston Texans.


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=1155675

http://www.cfl.ca/roster/show/id/981

drewmar74
01-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Here's you one:

The way we hear it, the feeling in Houston is that the Texans’ window to trade QB Sage Rosenfels likely has closed. The Vikings reportedly had interest in Rosenfels last offseason, but no deal came together. With Rosenfels entering the final year of his contract — and coming off a season in which he threw 10 interceptions in 174 attempts — there may not be a robust market for the streaky quarterback. A source close to the club notes the Texans might not have much interest in trading Rosenfels as it is, what with starter Matt Schaub failing to play all 16 games in each of his first two seasons in Houston.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2008/wrapup010409.htm

Wolf
01-12-2009, 01:05 AM
just a collumn folks and rambling

and wont' EVER happen

but interesting
When asked if, ideally, he'd like to be back in Carolina next season, Peppers replied, "Ideally I want to be in the best situation possible for myself and this organization.

"I'm thankful for everything they've done for me and I don't want to leave them crippled or in a bad situation and I don't want to do that to myself either. So whatever works our best for both sides is what I'm comfortable with."


Attempts to reach Panthers general manager Marty Hurney to discuss the matter were unsuccessful, but he doesn't talk about contract negotiations as a form of policy.

Keep in mind the Panthers don't have a first-round pick entering this year's April's NFL draft. They gave that up to Philadelphia to get tackle Jeff Otah. You'd have to believe the Panthers would accept nothing less than a first-round draft pick in exchange for Peppers.

Of course, the Panthers would have the option to accept or decline any trade offer Carey brings to the table, and it's unlikely if this were to come to fruition that he'd go anywhere in the NFC South. Peppers seems to like the Houston area, so the Texans are certainly an option. Imagine Peppers playing opposite former North Carolina State star Mario Williams?


http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/peppers_29189___article.html/panthers_want.html

I would give up anthony weaver and a 1st LOL

Wolf
01-12-2009, 01:09 AM
Extra points

The Texans hope to re-sign cornerback Dunta Robinson, whose original five-year contract has expired. If they can't sign him before the start of free agency, there's a chance they'll slap the franchise tag on him, thereby guaranteeing that he's with the team for the 2009 season ... The Texans are expected to work out an extension for linebacker DeMeco Ryans, who still has one year remaining on his contract ...


http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-spglauber5995349jan11,0,7613850.story

Jackie Chiles
01-12-2009, 01:14 AM
just a collumn folks and rambling

and wont' EVER happen

but interesting




http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/peppers_29189___article.html/panthers_want.html

I would give up anthony weaver and a 1st LOL

Nice find, makes for some interesting (wet) dreams. A 1 and a 3 for Peppers similar to the Jared Allen deal last season would likely be appealing to quite a few teams. There is probably slim chance of that happening here but fun to think about. Hows the guy know he likes Houston?

mussop
01-12-2009, 01:35 AM
just a collumn folks and rambling

and wont' EVER happen

but interesting




http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/peppers_29189___article.html/panthers_want.html

I would give up anthony weaver and a 1st LOL

I say lets bring Peppers home. Well this should be his home anyway. We should of drafted him instead of Mittens. THe absolute worst decision this franchise has ever made.

Andrew6
01-12-2009, 01:38 AM
how old is Peppers?

superdave532
01-12-2009, 01:47 AM
how old is Peppers?

Turning 29 in a week or so.

Goatcheese
01-12-2009, 01:53 AM
how old is Peppers?

Born on 1/18/1980. No way I give up a high first round pick for a guy 1 step away from 30.

kiwitexansfan
01-12-2009, 02:10 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-spglauber5995349jan11,0,7613850.story

Please DO NOT franchise Robinson, no way that Dunta deserves anything like top 5 CB money. He wasn't even top 5 quality before the injury and we haven't seen him come all the way back yet.

I understand that Robinson is part of the soul of the team but you can't pay out the patootie for senitmental value!!

barrett
01-12-2009, 03:44 AM
no it's actually quite smart. it's a 1 year insurance policy to assess his value after a full training camp and season. you needn't worry about the "cost". we have the cap space for it and it would be the best way to handle it. it's not like after 2009 we'd be required to pay him that same anual salary for another 4 years. at that point we would negotiate a new contract based much more accurately on his value.

mussop
01-12-2009, 03:49 AM
Born on 1/18/1980. No way I give up a high first round pick for a guy 1 step away from 30.

Youre crazy!!!! I would give our 1st and 3rd for Peppers.

Silver Oak
01-12-2009, 07:15 AM
Please DO NOT franchise Robinson, no way that Dunta deserves anything like top 5 CB money. He wasn't even top 5 quality before the injury and we haven't seen him come all the way back yet.

I understand that Robinson is part of the soul of the team but you can't pay out the patootie for senitmental value!!


I regretfully agree. Based on the interview I saw after the Chicago game, Dunta seems to think he is worth more than the Texans are going to want to pay him.

If it's a split, I hope it's an amicable one.

Hervoyel
01-12-2009, 08:14 AM
Please DO NOT franchise Robinson, no way that Dunta deserves anything like top 5 CB money. He wasn't even top 5 quality before the injury and we haven't seen him come all the way back yet.

I understand that Robinson is part of the soul of the team but you can't pay out the patootie for senitmental value!!

I regretfully agree. Based on the interview I saw after the Chicago game, Dunta seems to think he is worth more than the Texans are going to want to pay him.

If it's a split, I hope it's an amicable one.


Guys, I understand what you're saying but barrett seems to have a much better grasp of the situation. It's one year and nobody says we're obligated to reach an extended contract with Dunta after that. You pay him the big salary for one season to see if he's all the way back and how he plays in whatever scheme our next DC uses and then look at it again next season. This situation with Dunta is a perfect example of how to use the franchise tag wisely. Everybody wins this way. The Texans get to put off any long-term decision for a year and don't get forced into paying for a replacement immediatly. Dunta gets to be paid like the corner he feels he is (at least this year). What's not to like?

infantrycak
01-12-2009, 09:18 AM
I regretfully agree. Based on the interview I saw after the Chicago game, Dunta seems to think he is worth more than the Texans are going to want to pay him.

If it's a split, I hope it's an amicable one.

I listened to him and got exactly the opposite impression. To me he seemed like a guy who knew he wasn't at 100% and wasn't going to act like he was, much less act like he was a pro-bowler at 100% when he has never gone to the pro-bowl.

DBCooper
01-12-2009, 09:27 AM
Dunta is a difference maker. Extend him or franchise him. He's worth it.

WesmanTexanfan
01-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Dunta is a difference maker. Extend him or franchise him. He's worth it.

Agreed, easy...

People have to understand the leadership and motivational qualities of a player like Dunta. He is also my Favorite Texan and I selfishly want himn to stay.

HOU-TEX
01-12-2009, 09:44 AM
Agreed, easy...

People have to understand the leadership and motivational qualities of a player like Dunta. He is also my Favorite Texan and I selfishly want himn to stay.

IMO, Dunta will be here next season. I don't think it'll be for top 10 CB money either. He was an average CB after a horrific injury last season. What team would offer up that kind of jack for an unproven commodity (post-injury)?

Let him shop around to determine his worth. If it's reasonable, match it. If not, let him walk if he so chooses.

I like Dunta a lot, but I'm not willing to overpay for his services.

Brandon420tx
01-12-2009, 10:29 AM
Born on 1/18/1980. No way I give up a high first round pick for a guy 1 step away from 30.

Luckily, we have a Mid first round pick. And if we could get Weaver off our hands as a bonus, I'm all for it.

Ole Miss Texan
01-12-2009, 10:53 AM
Guys, I understand what you're saying but barrett seems to have a much better grasp of the situation. It's one year and nobody says we're obligated to reach an extended contract with Dunta after that. You pay him the big salary for one season to see if he's all the way back and how he plays in whatever scheme our next DC uses and then look at it again next season. This situation with Dunta is a perfect example of how to use the franchise tag widely. Everybody wins this way. The Texans get to put off any long-term decision for a year and don't get forced into paying for a replacement immediatly. Dunta gets to be paid like the corner he feels he is (at least this year). What's not to like?

I get what your saying and I feel like NFL organizations view more similarly to this than how fans, like myself do. The thing that gets me is that the entire amount is guaranteed money (except if the player and team reach a long term deal, I think). Which the money would be prorated in some way? Anyways, in that case I think it may be worth it.

However, for simplicity purposes, let's pretend they go ahead and make him a 3 year offer worth $12 million ($9 million guranteed with $1 million salary each year). It's usually structured way different (in the teams favor anyway) so this is just to be simple. Randall Gay got a 4-year, $14mill deal with like $4 million guaranteed last year.

So, would a player in Dunta's situation pass up this deal? To me, the Franchise Tag seems really good from a players perspective but they always seem to dislike it. With a deal in place like this, the team has him locked down for 3 years, and if they end up cutting him... they're out less total and per year, than the whole franchise tag.

In Dunta's case, I think the use of the Franchise Tag would be similar to how you've suggested. Not because his PLAY is worth top 5 cb money, but b/c they want an extra year to evaluate him, be fair, and because Dunta may mean more to this team how he is... than a top CB like Clements. His overall value may be worth that money.

Mailman
01-12-2009, 11:02 AM
Born on 1/18/1980. No way I give up a high first round pick for a guy 1 step away from 30.

I was initially inclined to agree with you, but we should remember that DE is an entirely different position than RB. There are good examples of defensive ends who were stud pass rushers beyond the age of 30. (And Peppers turns 29 this month). Just a few examples off the top of my head:

Elvin Bethea
Carl Eller
Michael Strahan
Reggie White
Ed Jones
Howie Long
McGinnest/Seymour
Bruce Smith
Jason Taylor

If the Peppers blurb proved to be more than just a rumor, I'd have to give it some serious consideration.

Wolf
01-12-2009, 11:12 AM
I was initially inclined to agree with you, but we should remember that DE is an entirely different position than RB. There are good examples of defensive ends who were stud pass rushers beyond the age of 30. (And Peppers turns 29 this month). Just a few examples off the top of my head:

Elvin Bethea
Carl Eller
Michael Strahan
Reggie White
Ed Jones
Howie Long
McGinnest/Seymour
Bruce Smith
Jason Taylor

If the Peppers blurb proved to be more than just a rumor, I'd have to give it some serious consideration.

true. I don't think 29-30 is too old for a DE (RB yes)
but baring injury, say he had 6 years left in his career. oh my, it could be a potential good 6 years for the Texans with Williams,Amobi,Peppers,Ryans as 4 of your front 7 (if Amobi breaks out)

Sideline
01-12-2009, 11:28 AM
I say its worth it regardless of his age. It is so hard to find a really standout defensive end especially through the draft. Bringing a proven Pro Bowler in to play opposite Mario would immediatly improve our Defense even if it is just in the mindset of the opposing Offensive players, to know that if you go one way you get Mario and the other you get Peppers, would mentally kill people from the outset.

Like we have said though, more than likely it won't even become anything more than pure rumour. However should the oppurtunity arise I would grab him.

Thorn
01-12-2009, 11:48 AM
Regarding the Julius Peppers thing, you can add me to the "I'd love to see it happen, but don't think there's a chance in hell" list.

TimeKiller
01-12-2009, 12:31 PM
I'm floating in the same boat as Thorn. I'd give the 1st, probably not plus the 3rd for him. Maybe switch 2nd's? All I know is that would be a defensive line juggernaut.

PapaL
01-12-2009, 03:55 PM
I'd trade and 1st, 3rd, Weaver and Brakos82 for Pepper to come to Houston. Wouldn't think twice about.

HOU-TEX
01-12-2009, 04:18 PM
I'd trade and 1st, 3rd, Weaver and Brakos82 for Pepper to come to Houston. Wouldn't think twice about.

Although, throwing Brakos82 in the deal would surely seal the deal with the Panthers, I'm all for building through the draft.

I think Kubiak and Smith have been doing a pretty good job of building through the draft so far. We finally have our full slate of draft picks again this year, so let's have another draft like we did the last time we had all 7.

PapaL
01-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Although, throwing Brakos82 in the deal would surely seal the deal with the Panthers, I'm all for building through the draft.

I think Kubiak and Smith have been doing a pretty good job of building through the draft so far. We finally have our full slate of draft picks again this year, so let's have another draft like we did the last time we had all 7.

How about a 4th, Brakos82 and package of only green Skittles?

HOU-TEX
01-12-2009, 05:01 PM
How about a 4th, Brakos82 and package of only green Skittles?

:thinking: Throw a box of Hot Tamales and you got yourself a deal.

Jackie Chiles
01-17-2009, 01:49 AM
I still say its highly unlikely that he comes here but looks like Peppers might be trying to pull a Jared Allen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Also, Carolina does not have a first round pick this year because of the Otah trade so that might help any potential suitors. Will be interesting to see how this gets sorted out.

DiehardChris
01-17-2009, 03:09 AM
I still say its highly unlikely that he comes here but looks like Peppers might be trying to pull a Jared Allen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Also, Carolina does not have a first round pick this year because of the Otah trade so that might help any potential suitors. Will be interesting to see how this gets sorted out.

And - he does apparently have connections to Houston. His agent lives there, as do (so I've heard) many of his friends, and he spends time in the offseason there. I found this out by emailing with the guy who wrote that article on a Carolina website who said "Peppers apparently likes spending time in Houston."

Still probably a pipe dream - but there seems to be a chance now that Carolina won't franchise tag him - I wouldn't expect they would keep a guy around who wants out as badly as he seems to.

DiehardChris
01-17-2009, 03:14 AM
And - he does apparently have connections to Houston. His agent lives there, as do (so I've heard) many of his friends, and he spends time in the offseason there. I found this out by emailing with the guy who wrote that article on a Carolina website who said "Peppers apparently likes spending time in Houston."

Still probably a pipe dream - but there seems to be a chance now that Carolina won't franchise tag him - I wouldn't expect they would keep a guy around who wants out as badly as he seems to.

You know what - I take that back. It would be absolutely insane for the Panthers not to franchise tag him. At least that way - they ensure that they could get SOME compensation for him by working a sign & trade after they franchise tag him... and there's no way the Texans are going to part with the kind of draft picks that Carolina would want for him... and that's got to happen before we even talk about the huge contract he'd get.

mussop
01-17-2009, 03:20 AM
I still say its highly unlikely that he comes here but looks like Peppers might be trying to pull a Jared Allen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Also, Carolina does not have a first round pick this year because of the Otah trade so that might help any potential suitors. Will be interesting to see how this gets sorted out.

Gladly give up 15 & our 3rd round pick for Peppers.

Ckw
01-17-2009, 03:25 AM
Gladly give up 15 & our 3rd round pick for Peppers.

Same. The only thing I would not be too enthused about is the massive contract he is going to demand.

Mari-OWNED!
01-17-2009, 03:50 AM
Julius Peppers plays RE just like Mario. Who would we move to LE if in the crazy awesome chance we got him? I know Mario has jumped around from RE to LE while on the Texans so maybe him? Just wondering what you guys think.

Lucky
01-17-2009, 06:13 AM
Gladly give up 15 & our 3rd round pick for Peppers.
The cost of signing a franchise tagged player is two 1st round picks.

ArlingtonTexan
01-17-2009, 07:46 AM
Julius Peppers plays RE just like Mario. Who would we move to LE if in the crazy awesome chance we got him? I know Mario has jumped around from RE to LE while on the Texans so maybe him? Just wondering what you guys think.

Peppers played LE for a couple of years if I recall. Honestly, the beauty of those is that you would have a close to twins and probably would not matter too much.

Unless it would take the Panthers into salary cap hell, teams really don't care about players wanting to test the market. Of course, a player would want the market to determine the price, there are Al davis', Jerry jones and Daniel Snyders who can't write checks too big.

b0ng
01-17-2009, 08:39 AM
The cost of signing a franchise tagged player is two 1st round picks.

Neither Corey Williams nor Jared Allen went for two 1sts when they were franchised and traded last off season.

steelbtexan
01-17-2009, 02:26 PM
I'm with Thorn on this one.

If Peppers is available we should do it. I would gladly give up a 1st & a 3rd for Peppers.

The cost of getting Peppers who is the best all-around DE in the NFL is really a 3rd plus money since we are going to spend a 1st on a DE anyways.

Since this is KUBES last year if we dont make the playoffs I could see them doing the deal.

Maybe 3.5 % increase on season tickets plus $3 parking per game is going towards getting Peppers. I hope this is true but knowing how Mr. McNair operates it probably wont happen. Mr. McNair probably will be happy with 9-7 & making a boat load of money & selling fans on we are getting better- we are almost there.

What a load of crap. Spend the money Bob.

There have only been two constants since the Texans inception

1. BOB makes a boat load of money
2. The Texans dont have a winning season

Jackie Chiles
01-17-2009, 02:37 PM
I think if we pulled off a move like this Peppers is the RE and Mario becomes the full time LE. Watch him blow by the Bears RT in the last game of the season. Mario vs. NFL RTs=many many sacks.

With or without Peppers I think this is what will happen eventually. While Mario is near unstoppable on either side I have to believe that if our other starting DE was not Anthony Weaver we would have seen Mario getting more snaps at LE if not moving him there "officially". I say "officially" because Mario is the type of player that can have success at any position on the D-line and, while I expect him to eventually settle down at LE, he will still get snaps at RE, DT, and perhaps even LB. Weaver, on the other hand, pretty much has to play LE because it would be tough to get literally zero pressure on the QB from the blind side and he is supposedly a run stopper. Ironically Mario is also better against the run, but since his pass rush is so much better than anyone else we have we need him at RE.

brakos82
01-17-2009, 02:44 PM
I'd trade and 1st, 3rd, Weaver and Brakos82 for Pepper to come to Houston. Wouldn't think twice about.

Although, throwing Brakos82 in the deal would surely seal the deal with the Panthers, I'm all for building through the draft.

How about a 4th, Brakos82 and package of only green Skittles?

:thinking: Throw a box of Hot Tamales and you got yourself a deal.

Oh sure fine, trade me why don't ya?
And no, I'm not gonna take your Carolina DC jersey Hulk, you can keep that for your Epic Fail collection.
(although I gotta admit, I'll end up eating the Skittles before you get the trade papers in. :thisbig:)

Shaft75
01-17-2009, 03:50 PM
How about a 4th, Brakos82 and package of only green Skittles?

I thought green M&M's were the highly sought after candies. I remember the commercial when the kid hit a homerun. We all used to eat one before we would step up to the plate.

Mari-OWNED!
01-17-2009, 11:50 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80e2d282&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

This article says Peppers WILL NOT sign a long term contract with Carolina. He thinks he won't ever be at full potential in that system. He said he prefers going to a 3-4, but wouldn't mind another 4-3 if he likes the system.

It's a great article to read, and I can tell I am going to have a good dream tonight. Sadly it will be just a dream...

gtexan02
01-17-2009, 11:51 PM
Peppers clearly remembers how easy it was to get sacks when he was the end on a line filled with great DTs. He'll be looking for monster DTs to play next to whereever he goes

PapaL
01-18-2009, 12:12 AM
I thought green M&M's were the highly sought after candies. I remember the commercial when the kid hit a homerun. We all used to eat one before we would step up to the plate.

It's the lone incentive of the whole deal. Come on now...

*Edit*
I said Skittles, you went w/ M&Ms. Maybe thats the difference? M&ms=Homeruns, Skittles=Getting rid of Brakos82?

leebigeztx
01-18-2009, 01:13 AM
I'm just going to tell you now, the panthers cat franchise tag peppers. Its basically impossible. They're 7m over the cap. If they franchise him its 110% over what he makes . So they would have 18m on hold. They have to cut players just to franchise him. Not only that, tait is a free agent also. If they dont get a deal done, he's a goner.

mexican_texan
01-18-2009, 01:16 AM
Bertrand Berry, a former Pro Bowler, former Bronco, Humble native, and current Cardinals defensive end is a free agent after this season.

infantrycak
01-18-2009, 02:02 AM
Bertrand Berry, a former Pro Bowler, former Bronco, Humble native, and current Cardinals defensive end is a free agent after this season.

And would be an excellent ND Kalu type player to have as a situational player on the roster despite any arbitrary and silly negative from having a Denver connection.

mexican_texan
01-18-2009, 12:28 PM
Here's a better connection: he's from the CFL, just like beloved Texans receiver Derrick Armstrong, the Kevin Walter before there was a Kevin Walter.

pappy
01-18-2009, 12:31 PM
For all the draftniks here Peppers only commanded a first round pick when he was at his best so he aint worth nearly so much now . But the pft folks are hinting that Herm edwards is going to get canned and that he wants a coordinator job . Says he is not interested in returning to be head coach again and he maybe interested in the dc (Line) job in houston ? :phone:

mexican_texan
01-18-2009, 12:41 PM
What DC job?

pappy
01-18-2009, 02:47 PM
What DC job?

fixed , sorry

Goldensilence
01-18-2009, 02:50 PM
For all the draftniks here Peppers only commanded a first round pick when he was at his best so he aint worth nearly so much now . But the pft folks are hinting that Herm edwards is going to get canned and that he wants a coordinator job . Says he is not interested in returning to be head coach again and he maybe interested in the dc (Line) job in houston ? :phone:

DL coach? Herm Edwards has only worked with DBs in his assistant coach career.

brakos82
01-18-2009, 03:00 PM
GoldenSilence was once spied upon by Richard Smith and his minions.

Oh wait, wrong rumor thread.

Goldensilence
01-18-2009, 03:04 PM
GoldenSilence was once spied upon by Richard Smith and his minions.

Oh wait, wrong rumor thread.

I think Richard Smith would be a great spy. If he was anything like the defense he ran, just pretend I'm a QB and I'd never see him.

:D

ChampionTexan
01-18-2009, 03:13 PM
Here's a better connection: he's from the CFL, just like beloved Texans receiver Derrick Armstrong, the Kevin Walter before there was a Kevin Walter.

Here's an even better one. Berry left the Bronco's and went to the Cardinals in 2004. When he got there, he found that his Linebacker coach was none other than Frank Bush who was also in his first year with the Cards after leaving Denver following the '05 season. Another newcomer to the Cardinals in 2004 was Karlos Dansby who was the Cardinals second round pick in that years draft.

Both Dansby and Berry are FA's, although Dansby was franchised in '08, and may be again, since I hear the Cardinals have placed a pretty high priority on keeping him.