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Honoring Earl 34
01-06-2009, 09:20 PM
Anyone going to this game ? It's for a good cause and they have some pretty good players .


http://www.shrinegame.com/

gary
01-06-2009, 09:52 PM
I will be meeting the players on Sunday at the hospital and going to the game I am a patient of the Shriner's.

mexican_texan
01-06-2009, 09:52 PM
I'll be watching it. I remember seeing Brandon Marshall in the practices a few years ago. He was having a pretty good battle against...was it Jonathan Joseph or Tye Hill? Either way, Marshall was unstoppable.

Texan JBZ
01-06-2009, 10:13 PM
Some pretty good players on both rosters. The Texans will definitely be scouting several of them with the game being played in their own backyard. Some names to keep an eye on are Curtis Taylor, Morty Ivy, Alex Boone, Matt Shaughnessy and Jarron Gilbert for sure, Kevin Ellison, Aaron Brown and Jason Phillips of TCU, and Cedric Dockery and Roy Miller of Texas.

rmartin65
01-07-2009, 09:56 AM
DT Sammie Lee Hill of Stillman (East Team) is a player to watch.

nunusguy
01-07-2009, 10:16 AM
I will be meeting the players on Sunday at the hospital and going to the game I am a patient of the Shriner's.

Good deal Gary, looking forward to your comments about the players you meet ?
BTW I'm thinking the guy for USC who was named the Most-Valuable-Defensive player in the Rose-Bowl is scheduled to be in the E/W game ?

gary
01-07-2009, 06:23 PM
Any good pass rushers or safeties that I should look for?

Honoring Earl 34
01-07-2009, 07:02 PM
Any good pass rushers or safeties that I should look for?

I'm not sure about the safety's but there is some DT's and DE's to look at .

Matt Shaughnessy DE
Ron Brace - DT
Roy Miller - DT
Terrance Taylor - DT
Phillip Hunt - DE

gary
01-07-2009, 07:29 PM
I'm not sure about the safety's but there is some DT's and DE's to look at .

Matt Shaughnessy DE
Ron Brace - DT
Roy Miller - DT
Terrance Taylor - DT
Phillip Hunt - DEGot it.

nunusguy
01-13-2009, 07:45 AM
East Practice

* Louisville QB Hunter Cantwell showed a very strong arm, but was admonished by his position coach to "get it out of there" which was a reference to his somewhat slow release. While Cantwell was solid in the pocket, he was way off target on a few throws when he had to throw on the move outside of the pocket.

* LSU safety Curtis Taylor looks the part, but struggled at times in coverage as scouts expected. Taylor doesn't have very good instincts and it showed when he was forced to cover in one on one drills.

* I'm very interested in Richmond DE Lawrence Sidbury. In one on one pass protection drills, Sidbury showed some pretty good quickness off of the edge and I will be paying much closer attention to him as the week progresses.

* Michigan CB Trent Morgan struggled in coverage during one on one drills which won't help him since scouts were down on him headed into these practices anyway.

* Iowa CB Bradley Fletcher is a big at 6'0 / 200 and he held his own in one on one drills. It's early, but he flashed some decent instincts out there today.

* Rutgers safety Courtney Greene had a solid day of practice and really looked like a player who plays with great confidence out there.

* South Carolina LB Jasper Brinkley looks awfully big to be a MLB. I'm interested to see if he is asked to take some snaps as a pass rusher so teams can get a look at him as a potential OLB in a 3-4. I don't think he has that kind of edge speed, but it would be interesting to see.

* Memphis DT Clinton McDonald was WAY too quick for offensive linemen to handle in one on one drills. McDonald's "get off" was exceptionally quick and he was my favorite player to watch on the defensive side for the East. He has the motor and the quicks to catch the eyes of scouts this week, but he's a little small at 289 pounds.

* Kent State tackle Augustus Parrish really struggled in pass protection thanks to poor technique and footwork.

* Iowa guard Seth Olsen had the best day of the offensive linemen in my opinion. He was terrific against speed rushers and bull rushers and he showed a nice ability to get to the next level on LBs.

* There were a few interesting battles between Big 10'ers Matt Schaughnessy (DE, Wisconsin) and Alex Boone (LT, Ohio State) with Schaughnessy winning one, Boone winning one and one was too close to call.

West Practice

* Texas DT Roy Miller looked very quick off the snap and played with a low pad level and with good leverage in one on one drills.

* Oklahoma WR Manuel Johnson didn't disappoint in practice as he gave DBs a very tough time with double moves and with the deep routes.

* I'm not sure what USC safety Kevin Ellison was cranky about, but he was letting people know where he was all day long during the scrimmage portion. He wasn't afraid to give players love taps..... including TCU running back Aaron Brown who got knocked on his butt by Ellison despite the fact that the practice was supposed to be limited contact. Maybe Ellison was cranky because had his issues in coverage.

* Arizona WR Mike Thomas made quite a few nice catches and I thought he did a nice job of flashing some ability today.

* Fresno State QB Tom Brandstater was much more inconsistent than I expected today and needs to show much more over the next three days.

* Javorskie Lane from Texas A&M weighed in at a whopping 295 which is too bad because the FB had two terrific one handed catches that showed off his underrated hands. Lane's weight is a huge turnoff to scouts in attendance who have all but written him off as a draftable prospect.

* Oregon State WR Sammie Stroughter had problems with drops in the one on one portion of the practice.

* TCU LB Jason Phillips was physical in both the scrimmage and at the line of scrimmage getting jams on TEs during the one on one drills.

* I wasn't particularly impressed with Boise RB Ian Johnson's quickness, but it is tough for RBs early in the week as there aren't great running lanes as offensive linemen are learning to play together.

* Oklahoma center Jon Cooper weighed in much lighter than teams had hoped, but he showed toughness throughout the practice.

* Baylor RT Dan Gay shocked scouts by weighing in at 314 rather than in the 290 range where they expected to see them. In case you were wondering, 314 was a pleasant surprise. Gay had a solid day in pass protection.

* BYU guard Ray Feinga caught my eye during one on one drills with his aggressiveness and strength.

* I've spoken with three scouts who all have higher grades on Texas A&M DE Michael Bennett than the national publications do. Bennett's combination of strength and quickness excites team, but there are some questions about his attitude.

* Rice WR Jarett Dillard put on a show in one on one drills. Dillard was so crisp with his routes that CBs had no prayer of staying with him on the short to medium range routes and he turned more than one defender completely around. It will be interesting to see how Dillard does if he is pressed at the line of scrimmage because getting off of press coverage is supposed to be his weakness. I look for Dillard to win over scouts/coaches this week and move up to the 5th round. Remember that his grade will improve even more if he can run a good 40 time, but teams don't see him as a special teams player which hurts his stock a little bit.
http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/01/shrine_bowl_practice_notes_fro.html
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The Chron/1560s LZ attended an E-W practice-session and put his impressions of individual players in his Chron blog.

mexican_texan
01-13-2009, 10:46 AM
They don't show practices on NFL Network anymore :(

76Texan
01-13-2009, 01:38 PM
Wow, I was about to say, NNG had such an indepth report! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

So it was LZ's?

I'd like to know more about that DE from Wisconcin, just in case.

nunusguy
01-13-2009, 01:46 PM
They don't show practices on NFL Network anymore :(

That's the Senior Bowl, not the East-West game.

nunusguy
01-13-2009, 08:59 PM
The pre-draft process kicks into high gear this week with the 84th annual East-West Shrine game, the first of two postseason all-star games that give senior prospects a chance to show their wares in front of NFL scouts.
Scouts Inc. will be filing daily practive reports from Houston, but first here is a quick look at the top five players to watch during Shrine week and those prospects who come to the game with the most to prove
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3829418
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Little write-up on ESPN about the game this weekend.

mexican_texan
01-13-2009, 11:27 PM
That's the Senior Bowl, not the East-West game.
They used to show the Shriners practice. It was only an hour or two, as compared to the hours of coverage for the Senior Bowl practice.

painekiller
01-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Can just any one attend the practice? Or do you need a special pass?

TimeKiller
01-14-2009, 09:13 AM
*Javorskie Lane from Texas A&M weighed in at a whopping 295 which is too bad because the FB had two terrific one handed catches that showed off his underrated hands. Lane's weight is a huge turnoff to scouts in attendance who have all but written him off as a draftable prospect.

If he could drop 20 lbs. I wouldn't mind him as a 7th or udfa to put some beef into our goalline attempts.

eriadoc
01-14-2009, 09:55 AM
*Javorskie Lane from Texas A&M weighed in at a whopping 295 which is too bad because the FB had two terrific one handed catches that showed off his underrated hands. Lane's weight is a huge turnoff to scouts in attendance who have all but written him off as a draftable prospect.

If he could drop 20 lbs. I wouldn't mind him as a 7th or udfa to put some beef into our goalline attempts.

UDFA as an O-lineman that can occasionally declare tackle eligible :)

It would be a project, but what the heck, that's what practice squads are for.

HOU-TEX
01-14-2009, 12:11 PM
*Javorskie Lane from Texas A&M weighed in at a whopping 295 which is too bad because the FB had two terrific one handed catches that showed off his underrated hands. Lane's weight is a huge turnoff to scouts in attendance who have all but written him off as a draftable prospect.

If he could drop 20 lbs. I wouldn't mind him as a 7th or udfa to put some beef into our goalline attempts.

I'll pass on a fat ass with a piss poor attitude. :winky:

Dread-Head
01-14-2009, 12:17 PM
Is Joe Texan going to be tailgating? I might show up.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2009, 12:30 PM
Why not a Dreadhead tailgate ?

Dread-Head
01-14-2009, 12:44 PM
Why not a Dreadhead tailgate ?

Joe said he was going to do one and I wanted to accept his invite.

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2009, 12:45 PM
Joe said he was going to do one and I wanted to accept his invite.

I see , I'm about 50/50 on going to this game right now .

gary
01-14-2009, 08:54 PM
Here are some photos taken at practice today and at the hospital on Sunday. Gene Stallings.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/200.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 08:56 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/200.jpg

GlassHalfFull
01-14-2009, 08:59 PM
My neighbor just stopped by and offered me 4 tickets to the game. 50 yard line according to him. My family is tied up with scout activities that day, so if anyone is interested in going, let me know.

gary
01-14-2009, 08:59 PM
Mike White and Bob Ross.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/202.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:01 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/203.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:05 PM
Former U of H WR D. Avery was watching practice.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/221.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:08 PM
Former NE Pat.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/219.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:10 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/216.jpg

gtexan02
01-14-2009, 09:15 PM
Wow Gary! You got to meet some awesome people!


But... I ahve to ask...



A Lakers jacket??? Say it ain't so!

gary
01-14-2009, 09:20 PM
Saw Gary at practice today. We were told outside the gate that we had to wait for the ok to go in to watch and then Gary was leaving and spotted me and told them to let us in right away and we took a photo.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/218.jpg

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2009, 09:22 PM
I heard a group of reporters and scouts walked by and asked ... who's that with Gary ( not Kubiak ) ?

gary
01-14-2009, 09:28 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/217.jpg

gtexan02
01-14-2009, 09:30 PM
Tried to leave ya some rep for these great photos Gary, but "you gotta spread it around" first and all that. Thanks for posting these!

gary
01-14-2009, 09:31 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/211.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:33 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/205.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:37 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/220.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:39 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/206.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:41 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/207.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:42 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/208.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:44 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/204.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:46 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/210.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:48 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/215.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:50 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/212.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:52 PM
A DE. Might he be Houston bound?
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/213.jpg

gary
01-14-2009, 09:54 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/214.jpg

Honoring Earl 34
01-14-2009, 09:57 PM
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_shrine_game_practice_report_day_two_west/

http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_shrine_game_practice_report_day_two_east/

gary
01-14-2009, 10:00 PM
Wow Gary! You got to meet some awesome people!


But... I ahve to ask...



A Lakers jacket??? Say it ain't so!Someone gave me the jacket years ago and it keeps me very warm but other than that it ain't so.:):):)

painekiller
01-14-2009, 10:09 PM
Saw this in the Draftguys blog from above. It's about my 2nd favorite RB in the Draft. Keep an eye out for this kid.


Tyrell Sutton(Northwestern) drew a call of “great hands great hands” from his coach when he scooped a low pass on the run. Sutton is clearly the most polished receiver of the RBs in this game. Sutton’s feet were also impressive - he instinctively got through the trash at the line of scrimmage. Sutton’s legs never stop churning, and he also knows when to just put his head down and take what’s there. He also had a heady play when Johnny Williams bobbled an interception and Sutton plucked it out of the air on the run, breaking a big play in 11 on 11s. He froze Matt Shaughnessy with a stop-start that drew oohs and aahs at the end of practice. Sutton also fielded punts, and he was singled out by Bobby Ross for his performance in a post-practice interview.

bah007
01-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Tyrell Sutton may not make it as an every down back in the NFL because of his size, but there is no doubt in my mind that he can be a Reggie Bush-type receiver/returner.

He may not be as good as Bush but he will probably be drafted late and will provide plenty of bang for the bucks he will be making.

LORK 88
01-14-2009, 10:25 PM
Is it bad that I noticed the Lakers jacket right away too? All joking aside, very cool pictures. That's cool about Kubiak too, good to hear he's a nice guy.

painekiller
01-15-2009, 12:35 AM
Tyrell Sutton may not make it as an every down back in the NFL because of his size, but there is no doubt in my mind that he can be a Reggie Bush-type receiver/returner.

He may not be as good as Bush but he will probably be drafted late and will provide plenty of bang for the bucks he will be making.


I was thinking he would be the 3rd down back we envisioned Slaton to be. Give the kid 6-12 touches a game, he will slip due to the injury this year, but as a 5th to 7th rounder, he would be a great addition to any team.

76Texan
01-15-2009, 12:05 PM
Someone gave me the jacket years ago and it keeps me very warm but other than that it ain't so.:):):)
Lose that jacket or I'm gona do it for ya'! :specnatz:

Hey, whos the favorite player(s) that you met?
Anybody who wants to play for the Texans like AA last year?

badboy
01-15-2009, 12:13 PM
Gary, thanks for sharing the pictures. Pretty awesome! I must say I like the ones from last year with you and some cheer leaders. Steve

painekiller
01-15-2009, 01:30 PM
Gary, thanks for sharing the pictures. Pretty awesome! I must say I like the ones from last year with you and some cheer leaders. Steve

I'm guessing Gary's saving those pictures for later.

threetoedpete
01-15-2009, 01:45 PM
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_shrine_game_practice_report_day_two_west/

http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_shrine_game_practice_report_day_two_east/

thanks for the link Earl. My hard disc is on it's last legs and had to dump PDF reader.


Jarron Gilbert(DT-San Jose State) threw opposing blockers to the ground with terrific strength more than once. He’s very disruptive and could be a nice cover 2 DT. He also got into the first real scrap of the Shrine Game practices.

This guy is Hooooungry. Parcells took the guy from Hampton #66 in the third last draft. Going to be interesting to see where Gilbert falls. He runs a good forty, some 3-4 team will gobble him up for a DE.

gary
01-15-2009, 07:31 PM
A DE. Might he be Houston bound?
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/213.jpgHe'd like to come here 76.

gary
01-15-2009, 08:30 PM
Alfonso Heisman please forgive the way that I look.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/SeconddayatShrinepractice001.jpg

gary
01-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Zeke Moore former Oiler.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/SeconddayatShrinepractice003.jpg

gary
01-15-2009, 08:34 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/SeconddayatShrinepractice002.jpg

gary
01-15-2009, 08:37 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/SeconddayatShrinepractice004.jpgFrom three different Texas Colleges.

Texecutioner
01-15-2009, 09:16 PM
Looks like I'll be going to the game, thanks to a bud of mine.

GlassHalfFull
01-15-2009, 09:25 PM
I have 4 tickets on the 50, free to anyone who wants them. Let me know if you are interested.

Texecutioner
01-15-2009, 09:33 PM
I have 4 tickets on the 50, free to anyone who wants them. Let me know if you are interested.

Well I have some now. How come you aren't going to go? You don't want to use them yourself? It should be a pretty cool game to watch.

GlassHalfFull
01-15-2009, 09:36 PM
Well I have some now. How come you aren't going to go? You don't want to use them yourself? It should be a pretty cool game to watch.

I am going, I already had tickets with a VIP. My neighbor came over last night and offered these to me, I figured I could distribute them to a worthy soul. No takers tonight, I will go to the high school tomorrow and give them to the football coaches.

Wolf
01-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Brunner's Blog: Shrine Bowl Summary

The best part of Wednesday’s practices was that the weather warmed up some more and got close to 70. It was bright and sunny, and I actually got a sun burnt face. I’m definitely not complaining since it’s about 10 degrees back home.

Our staff got together Wednesday night and we discussed all of the players down here this week who maybe separated themselves or answered some concerns we had.

So, in addition to the guys I talked about the other day, I’ll highlight a few guys on each team who had pretty good practices in my opinion.

First up to mention on the West squad was Gartrell Johnson, a running back from Colorado State. He runs hard and showed some power with the football. He practiced hard every day this week.

Oregon State wide receiver Sammie Stroughter caught the ball very well this week, showed quickness, and the ability to get open. He might not be the fastest guy, but he’s quick and he’s able to separate himself from coverage. He also finishes as well by making the catch.

USC linebacker Kaluka Maiava also was impressive. He’s a typical USC linebacker, involved in all of the plays and around the ball a lot. He’s a good sized kid who can run.

A kid who some Bay Area football fans might already know about is defensive lineman Jarron Gilbert from San Jose State. He had a real nice week. He’s a big kid, has great size, and showed some quickness off the ball and pass rush skills. I only saw a couple days of practices on him but he looked pretty good and from what I hear, he shows up on tape as well. So, I’m interested to watch some tape of him and I expect that he’ll be at our local workout this spring.

Over on the East squad, I’ll first mention Curtis Taylor, a defensive back from LSU. He’s a big kid with some really good range. He was getting to the ball and blowing people up when he had the opportunity.



http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=5097&section=PR%20News

nuke789
01-15-2009, 10:21 PM
I have 4 tickets on the 50, free to anyone who wants them. Let me know if you are interested.

PM'ed

Texecutioner
01-15-2009, 11:16 PM
I am going, I already had tickets with a VIP. My neighbor came over last night and offered these to me, I figured I could distribute them to a worthy soul. No takers tonight, I will go to the high school tomorrow and give them to the football coaches.

Well thanks for asking any way. I hope you enjoy the game. :texflag:

nunusguy
01-16-2009, 08:48 AM
First up to mention on the West squad was Gartrell Johnson, a running back from Colorado State. He runs hard and showed some power with the football. He practiced hard every day this week.
(From Wolf's post out of the Brunner Bolg).
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"America, meet Gartrell Johnson. The stocky senior running back put on an absolute show, leading Colorado State to a 40-35 come-from-behind win over Fresno State in the New Mexico Bowl. The win was the Rams' first bowl win in seven years.
Johnson ran for a career-high 285 yards plus caught six passes for 89 -- giving him a whopping 374 total yards. Prior to Saturday, Johnson averaged 99 rushing yards per game in 2008.
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2008/12/20/bowl-season-08-gartrell-johnson-carries-colorado-state-to-new/
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This guy reportedly weighs 'bout 225 lbs and with his Colorado State pedigree
you know Kubiak was eyeballing him real close at E-W practices. I dunno, but
I'd say a definite candidate to be the compliment in the Texans' backfield to
Steve Slaton ?
I dunno how expensive he will be ? Fourth round ? Third round ? First day ?
BTW, keep those photos coming Gary. I enjoy them ! And thanks.

HOU-TEX
01-16-2009, 10:19 AM
I am going, I already had tickets with a VIP. My neighbor came over last night and offered these to me, I figured I could distribute them to a worthy soul. No takers tonight, I will go to the high school tomorrow and give them to the football coaches.

Glass, do you still have the tickets? Am I too late? :thinking:

badboy
01-16-2009, 12:08 PM
I'll be watching Ron Brace DT and team mate of Raji. Brace has good size and decent stats and be avail in a later roud to shore up our run stoppers. Okam are you listening?
http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122308aad.html

gary
01-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Glass, do you still have the tickets? Am I too late? :thinking:They should still be on sale for 15.

TimeKiller
01-16-2009, 12:29 PM
Gatrell Johnson/Colorado State: Johnson looked good all day. He was explosive, ran hard in shorts and was very tough. He has several good battles going against USC safety Kevin Ellison.

most of what I can find is about his Bowl game or the Shriner practice. I gotta say, an explosive guy listed at 225 in the later rounds is just what the doctor ordered.

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 12:44 PM
Gatrell Johnson/Colorado State: Johnson looked good all day. He was explosive, ran hard in shorts and was very tough. He has several good battles going against USC safety Kevin Ellison.

most of what I can find is about his Bowl game or the Shriner practice. I gotta say, an explosive guy listed at 225 in the later rounds is just what the doctor ordered.

He's definitely an interesting guy to look for, especially with the Colorado State pipeline thing we've been working on here. His combine is going to make or break him since his measureables are supposedly less than average. If he runs in the 4.55 range, he could be a viable option in the 4th or 5th, but if he runs 4.65+, he'll be a late round, UDFA type. Either way, I like him as a player and think he'd do well here.

beerlover
01-17-2009, 12:27 PM
I've been extremely busy @ work lately no time to review this wonderful event. there are several prospects to keep a close eye on however & I don't know how many people here realize this but several talented USC Trojans are in the mix, starting with CB Cary Harris who looks NFL ready (unlike Molden). Maiava Kaluka could develop into a Troy Polamualu looking OLB, his uncle is the Rock & he was voted Rose Bowl defense MVP yet remains unknown? How about Safety prospect Kevin Ellison 6-1 224 his Brother Keith is a LB for the Buffalo Bills. There are a whole bunch of second day prospects playing in this game, these are just a few interesting guys to watch out for later today & as their future unfolds working to play on Sundays. I'd never make it in the NFL I hate to work Sundays, can't stand to miss out on my Texans or NFL football in general :logo:

mexican_texan
01-17-2009, 12:32 PM
Molden isn't ready? He has good technique and speed.

beerlover
01-17-2009, 12:57 PM
Molden isn't ready? He has good technique and speed.

why then didn't he play more?

not trying to rain on your parade man just the honest assesment of another poster. Antwaun Molden is a project they knew going forward would require extra time to develop. Great character with natural talent but only two years experience @ small time program Eastern Kentucky does not translate directly to the talent/skill level required to succeed in the NFL as a rookie. Breaking his leg doesn’t help his cause this off season for next year either…….I really hope he works out for the Texans but another CB with experience in the draft is still a viable option. I’m just pointing out look for some 2nd day help today @ the Shriners East West game like USC CB Cary Harris who will probably wind up being someones 3rd rd. pick in 09 :)

steelbtexan
01-17-2009, 02:07 PM
Good ?

It probably has something to do with Smith & Hoke knowing they were on a short leash.

They weren't willing to let the rookie go through growing pains.

mexican_texan
01-17-2009, 03:27 PM
why then didn't he play more?

not trying to rain on your parade man just the honest assesment of another poster. Antwaun Molden is a project they knew going forward would require extra time to develop. Great character with natural talent but only two years experience @ small time program Eastern Kentucky does not translate directly to the talent/skill level required to succeed in the NFL as a rookie. Breaking his leg doesn’t help his cause this off season for next year either…….I really hope he works out for the Texans but another CB with experience in the draft is still a viable option. I’m just pointing out look for some 2nd day help today @ the Shriners East West game like USC CB Cary Harris who will probably wind up being someones 3rd rd. pick in 09 :)
He played special teams as well as a few plays on defense. Adibi didn't play until Greenwood was hurt, and it sure didn't look like he was struggling. Most coaches don't like playing rookies. You can't tell me Dominique Barber is worse than Brandon Harrison, it was just Barber's inexperience that left him on the bench most of the season.

beerlover
01-17-2009, 07:36 PM
He played special teams as well as a few plays on defense.

sorry, not that impressive, which is why its called developmental situations to gain some playing expereince. you just made my point.............:smiliedance:

Adibi didn't play until Greenwood was hurt, and it sure didn't look like he was struggling.

Adibi didn't play because HE WAS HURT, don't you remember? :wacko:

Most coaches don't like playing rookies.

wtf; like Steve Slaton or Joe Flacco..........:thisbig:

You can't tell me Dominique Barber is worse than Brandon Harrison, it was just Barber's inexperience that left him on the bench most of the season.

Barber is instinctive, Harrison is a plodder & both are in process of being developed just like Molden is............:specnatz:

mexican_texan
01-17-2009, 07:54 PM
sorry, not that impressive, which is why its called developmental situations to gain some playing expereince. you just made my point.............


Your point was that he didn't play, mine is that he did. I proved what, now?



Adibi didn't play because HE WAS HURT, don't you remember?


He wasn't hurt the whole season. He was healthy before Greenwood was injured.

wtf; like Steve Slaton or Joe Flacco..........:thisbig:


SS played because Chris Brown and Ahman Green went down. He took advantage of an opportunity.


Barber is instinctive, Harrison is a plodder & both are in process of being developed just like Molden is............

Harrison has been with the team for a while. The only reason he played, other than maybe he had incriminating evidence of someone, is because Barber was a rookie. Barber made more plays in one quarter against the Bears than Harrison made all season.

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Goldensilence
01-17-2009, 08:53 PM
He played special teams as well as a few plays on defense. Adibi didn't play until Greenwood was hurt, and it sure didn't look like he was struggling. Most coaches don't like playing rookies. You can't tell me Dominique Barber is worse than Brandon Harrison, it was just Barber's inexperience that left him on the bench most of the season.

I think the point is when we selected Molden we knew the measureables on the guy but also that playing at Eastern Kentucky meant he more then likely was going to be a project player. From what I remember he looked fairly impressive in TC but the staff didn't feel comfortable playing him evidently. It makes me nervous that this staff is trying to hit the jackpot on small school guys. Jerome Mathis and Jacoby Jones. Meteoric start but seem to fade as quickly. At least the ysaw rookie PT Molden didn't.


I'm not necessarily against taking them but the problem seems to be this staff's ability to coach up some positions. Personally fwiw I'd rather take a big school guy that might not get the hype rather then high upside small school player. I do hope Molden pans out.

beerlover
01-18-2009, 01:18 AM
Your point was that he didn't play, mine is that he did. I proved what, now?

its obvious, you can't figure it out. I never said he did not play, I said he was mostly injured, which limited playing time.

2008 Game Log
WEEK OPP RESULT TOT SOLO AST SACK STF STFY FF BK INT YDS LNG TD PD
1 @PIT L 38-17 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
2 Bye Week
3 @TEN L 31-12 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
4 @JAC L 30-27 (OT) 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
5 IND L 31-27 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
6 MIA W 29-28 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
7 DET W 28-21 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
8 CIN W 35-6 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
9 @MIN L 28-21 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
10 BAL L 41-13 3 1 2 0.0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 @IND L 33-27 15 14 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12 @CLE W 16-6 4 4 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
13 JAC W 30-17 5 4 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
14 @GNB W 24-21 6 3 3 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
15 TEN W 13-12 2 1 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16 @OAK L 27-16 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
17 CHI W 31-24 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.


SS played because Chris Brown and Ahman Green went down. He took advantage of an opportunity.

yes he did, took the ball & ran with it. in the end suppose it didn't cross your mind SS could actually be the better RB? my bad, of course not coaches don't like to use rookies :spit:

Harrison has been with the team for a while. The only reason he played, other than maybe he had incriminating evidence of someone, is because Barber was a rookie. Barber made more plays in one quarter against the Bears than Harrison made all season.

yeah there you go again, "Harrison has been with the team for a while" Brilliant! guess you missed the news flash -http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3326 if thats not enough he was a late arrival to camp, lost valueable conditioning time then hurt his hamstring & spent his entire rookie season on injured reserve so 08 was essentially his rookie year. I love it - your posts are just getting better & more insightful all the time :sarcasm:

mexican_texan
01-18-2009, 01:51 AM
its obvious, you can't figure it out. I never said he did not play, I said he was mostly injured, which limited playing time.

Then why post stats and not injury reports? You're not proving anything with stats other than he didn't play, just like Craig Nall didn't play.



yes he did, took the ball & ran with it. in the end suppose it didn't cross your mind SS could actually be the better RB? my bad, of course not coaches don't like to use rookies

Did I ever say he wasn't better? The point is, he wasn't expected to be a 1,000 yard back, was he? He was drafted as a situational guy who could develop. Anyone could tell you Slaton is the exception to rookies rather than the standard.


yeah there you go again, "Harrison has been with the team for a while" Brilliant! guess you missed the news flash -http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3326 if thats not enough he was a late arrival to camp, lost valueable conditioning time then hurt his hamstring & spent his entire rookie season on injured reserve so 08 was essentially his rookie year. I love it - your posts are just getting better & more insightful all the time

How long has he been with the team? Since 2007. Barber? 2008. Harrison went through two offseasons whereas Barber went through one. Harrison didn't play, but he was still on the team competing for a roster spot until September. He, along with a few of our other safeties got hurt and we had trade for Boulware.


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BattleRedToro
01-18-2009, 10:06 AM
I'd like to read more opinions of players and their performances in the East/West Shrine Game, that the Texans could potentially acquire.

I was unable to go to the game or even watch it on TV because I was working outside repairing my fence, so all I was able to do was listen to the radio broadcast.

Any analysis would be greatly appreciated.

Additionally, I would like to say thanks for the pictures Gary. It looks like you had a good time meeting all of those players, coaches, and former players, and I love the football hat.

beerlover
01-18-2009, 10:30 AM
no smilies

omg

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gary
01-18-2009, 11:13 AM
I'd like to read more opinions of players and their performances in the East/West Shrine Game, that the Texans could potentially acquire.

I was unable to go to the game or even watch it on TV because I was working outside repairing my fence, so all I was able to do was listen to the radio broadcast.

Any analysis would be greatly appreciated.

Additionally, I would like to say thanks for the pictures Gary. It looks like you had a good time meeting all of those players, coaches, and former players, and I love the football hat.Thanks. The RB DJ number five had a couple of nice runs. That DE from Standford number 91 did not look all that impressive out there.

gary
01-18-2009, 11:44 AM
Tailgate before the game.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame001.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 11:47 AM
The Shrine parade before the game.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame002.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 11:50 AM
Me with one of the head Shriner people.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame005.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 11:52 AM
Look at how crowded it was.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame006.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 11:57 AM
Anthony Aldridge.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame007.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 11:59 AM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame007.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:01 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame009.jpg

gwallaia
01-18-2009, 12:07 PM
Gary, did you ask Alridge how is injury is coming along?

gary
01-18-2009, 12:13 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame014.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:16 PM
Gary, did you ask Alridge how is injury is coming along?I'll ask him and report back here.

gary
01-18-2009, 12:21 PM
Michael Bennett brother of Marsalous of the Cowboys.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame016.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:23 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame015.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:25 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame010.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:29 PM
Brad Van Pelt and Jerry Kramer.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame011.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:31 PM
Jerry Kramar signing.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame011.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:33 PM
Here is Jerry.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame012.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:35 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame012.jpg

gary
01-18-2009, 12:37 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame013.jpg

Silver Oak
01-18-2009, 06:01 PM
here's a pretty good game thread discussion of the Shriners game.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=290104

GlassHalfFull
01-18-2009, 06:03 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/gary1992/ShrineGame015.jpg

Are you kidding me????? How long after I left? See if I ever go meet Dave again. Dammit.

gary
01-18-2009, 06:08 PM
Just a few ticks lol.

Texecutioner
01-18-2009, 07:37 PM
Yeah, Bennett seemed like a really nice guy yesterday.

It was nice hanging out with you and your mom and Aunt Gary.

It was also nice meeting GlassHalfFull and Doc. We had a nice time. :tiphat:

gary
01-18-2009, 08:26 PM
We had a great time.

badboy
01-19-2009, 02:27 PM
Thanks for info Gary. Good to have eyes on the field. Ok, I watched the game which was a first for me on East- West. never been very interested but thought there were some players I wanted to evaluate.

First, let me get this out of the way. Ian Johnson was basically little factor as he hadf one catch for about 8 yards. I think he was 11 for 36 yards. Very disappointing for me as I had been defending him as a sleeper in the Slaton style. I became impressed with Johnson two seasons ago and this season he was ok but numbers were down a lot. It is now looking as if this season was not the aberration but two seasons ago. I just do not understand what is happening. I now have admitted my mistake and will go on.

Let me say that I focused on guys that I thought we could draft after 1st round. Also and you may know this, underclassmen were not eligble to play and that reduced my target by a lot. The Houston Chronicle had an article Sunday about game but 99% was about Williams an RB. He did well but so did some other backs and nothing was mentioned except in stats. IMO another poor job by the local rag on a game in our back yard. So a hearty BOO! to the sports dep't manager.

Now, I'll shut up and share what I saw.

Marlon Lucky RB: very good game and went for a long touch down. May be available in later rounds. Announcers referred to an injury that had reduced his playing time during season, but he is definitely ok now. Can take a hit.

Gartrell Johnson RB; WOW! This guy has the goods. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=61515&draftyear=2009&genpos=RB Saturday, he got 63 yards on 10 attempts and showed plenty of power. http://www.examiner.com/x-2516-Colorado-State-Rams-Examiner~y2009m1d17-Gartrell-Johnson-posts-big-first-half-Utah-handles-CSU-women I was very impressed with his game. I am a big Shonn Green fan, but if we miss and can get Gartrell at some point I am ok.

Alex Boone an LT I was hoping would come out last year, did not stand out except when he got a flag on a hold. I think he has picked up a bit of unneeded weight.

Javorskie Lane RB that I was looking at as a possible 7th round but man he is a tub of butter. He was announced at 280 but someone be fibbing. Got stopped 3 times on the goal line and lost me as a backer even as a walk on FA. Find a bagel big guy as you are not an NFL player.

Lawrence Sidbury DE that was always being spoken of (especially when someone notice his name incorrect on his jersey.) Had one very good play at end of game but at least a couple penalties. Did not do much for me.

Bear Pascoe TE a replacement for Breuner? Little speed at his size but made one great catch. On one play he had a good block that will make coaches takes notice as it was downfield.

Pretty hard for me to follow more players as I forgot my roster at work. Hope this helps.

Found this link that gives more info. http://www.nfldraftdog.com/College%20All-Star/2009_east_west_shrine_game.htm Steve

Silver Oak
01-19-2009, 02:35 PM
Alex Boone an LT I was hoping would come out last year, did not stand out except when he got a flag on a hold. I think he has picked up a bit of unneeded weight.



the play we both saw when Boone was flagged for holding was him at the RT position right? he is a huge mf'er, but I don't think he fits in the mold of what Gibbs desires, which is too bad cause in shape, this guy could really pancake some people.

Aggie fan agreeing with you on Lane. A shame that someone who is on the verge of a career isn't taking better care of himself or trying to get in shape. some of the blame can be placed on the line not being together for a long time, but the J Train just looked crappy out there.

bah007
01-19-2009, 09:45 PM
Lane heard that scouts were looking for players who were hungry.

I think he misunderstood what that meant...

Texan JBZ
01-19-2009, 10:45 PM
Roy Miller is going to be a great pro player. The guy was unblockable at times in the game. He held his ground pretty well against double teams and was explosive as heck off of the ball. He probably won't go until the 3rd or 4th, but he's going to be a bonafide steal. He was very impressive.

I called my shot on an earlier thread about Lucky. I said that the Texans should draft him in the 4th. He's got good size, decent vision, a north-south runner, and has good hands. Sounds like the perfect back for the system.

I payed alot of attention to Jarron Gilbert, but I didn't see much that impressed me. Miller was way quicker than him and Miller played with a lot better leverage than Gilbert did. Still, he's a speciman and should be a hot pick by April.

mexican_texan
01-19-2009, 11:15 PM
I've heard nothing but good things about Miller at the practices. I heard one interview where he slyly compared himself to Dorsey from last year.

BigBull17
01-19-2009, 11:46 PM
Lane heard that scouts were looking for players who were hungry.

I think he misunderstood what that meant...

Dude, that's awesome.

76Texan
01-21-2009, 11:30 PM
Hey, I'm glad that Texecutioner meet some of the gang!
Sorry GlassHalfFul you missed the good!
I missed you and the gang, too!
Yeah Gary and Gwallaia, we need to keep an eye on our boy Aldridge, Shanahan stashed him on the IR, and we still don't have a spot for him.
You didn't return JJ's glove to him, did you Gary?

I have always liked Lucky. But it's a business. We still have to evaluate all the pros and cons.

I hope the Texans scouts pay a little attention to the board! :fans:

threetoedpete
03-09-2009, 02:34 AM
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

Off the radar guys. small School propdays.

Anyone remember Charlie Tollar ?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E4DA1F3DF932A35756C0A9659C8B 63

Summers checked in at 5-foot-9 1/8, 241 pounds and ran a 4.63-second and a 4.64-second 40-yard dash. He put up a 34.5-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot, 4-inch broad jump, a 4.35-second short shuttle, a 7.23-long shuttle and 30 bench press reps.

Another player benefitting from positional coaches coming to watch him work out was Liberty’s Rashad Jennings, who also opened eyes at the combine. He worked out Tuesday in front of six teams, including the Panthers and their RB coach Jim Skipper. He worked out on an indoor track. He weighed 231 pounds, ran a 4.52 in the 40 and a 6.79 in the three-cone drill.

Criss Wells might be more famous....but someone is going to get a bragin here with Jennings.

Texecutioner
03-09-2009, 11:27 AM
Roy Miller is going to be a great pro player. The guy was unblockable at times in the game. He held his ground pretty well against double teams and was explosive as heck off of the ball. He probably won't go until the 3rd or 4th, but he's going to be a bonafide steal. He was very impressive.

I called my shot on an earlier thread about Lucky. I said that the Texans should draft him in the 4th. He's got good size, decent vision, a north-south runner, and has good hands. Sounds like the perfect back for the system.

I payed alot of attention to Jarron Gilbert, but I didn't see much that impressed me. Miller was way quicker than him and Miller played with a lot better leverage than Gilbert did. Still, he's a speciman and should be a hot pick by April.

I was watching Miller very closely during this game. He was playing really well and was around the ball a lot. I kept mentioning him to Glass Half Full at the game as well.

I'd love to get Roy Miller on the Texans like in the 4th round or something for sure. Maybe even in the 3rd possibly.

I highy doubt that the Texans will touch him though, since we have grabbed two Texas DT's in the last two drafts and neither one of them has really done anything. Miller is better than the previous two that we drafted, but I just don't see the Texans drafting 3 straight DT's out of Texas in 3 consecutive seasons. I'd be shocked if we did that, but I'd be happy about it for sure.

Texecutioner
03-09-2009, 11:28 AM
Hey, I'm glad that Texecutioner meet some of the gang!

It was a fun day. Thanks.

76Texan
03-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Hey, I was reviewing the East-West Shriner game, and I noticed the two home boys did really well.

Vollmer was going against Orion Martin (VT) and Sidburry and handle them just fine.
Martin is a high motor guy that I like in the late round, while Sidbury measurables make him a very intriguing prospect as well.
The announcer(s?) said that he had the best week in practice among the O-linemen.

Vollmer is 6'7'2 - 315 lbs.
He only played 3 year of football, coming from Germany.
(Hey, I don't mind having him on the Texans roster to drum up some fan support from over the pond.) Dunno whether he will get drafted or not.

Phillip Hunt beat his men constantly (Alex Boone - Ohio St. and Augustus Parrish - Kent St.) He can be a specialist that the Texans need for cheap ???