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Jottoz
01-05-2009, 05:38 PM
1/5/2009

Signed TE Courtney Anderson, QB Alex Brink, CB A.J. Davis, WR Glenn Martinez, WR Mark Simmons, G Adam Stenavich and T Cliff Washburn to reserve/future contracts.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/Transactions.asp

Is Glenn Martinez the possible future returner?

Norg
01-05-2009, 06:24 PM
most of thoes guys where on the reserve list or injured list this year huh are they all rookies ?????? they didnt get alot of play time this year ????

eriadoc
01-05-2009, 06:24 PM
Courtney Anderson interests me more than Joel Dreesen does.

nero THE zero
01-05-2009, 07:08 PM
Wasn't Glenn Martinez a Bronco WR?

Thorn
01-05-2009, 07:44 PM
* yawns *

They are all cannon fodder. And I like Boyd better than Brink.

RipTraxx
01-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Wasn't Glenn Martinez a Bronco WR?

Yeah, pretty good too.

gtexan02
01-05-2009, 08:54 PM
:( Clearly, the offseason has already started. I don't even recognize these names...

dtran04
01-05-2009, 08:56 PM
Yeah I remember Martinez being their kick returner.

nero THE zero
01-05-2009, 09:40 PM
Yeah, pretty good too.
That's what I remember. I wonder what the circumstances of his release were. I also wonder if we might pick up some more Denver cast-offs when the new coach comes in and brings in his own guys. We might be able to get some pretty quality system guys that way.

JCTexan
01-05-2009, 11:24 PM
:( Clearly, the offseason has already started. I don't even recognize these names...

Yeah, clearly just some guys to compete in training camp.

D-ReK
01-06-2009, 12:29 AM
Martinez was a decent KR for the Broncos back in 2007 but his role diminished this season due to Eddie Royal. He may be worth a look .

Stenavich was a good player at Michigan but hasn't done much in the pros.

Anderson started out well his first three seasons in the league and could be a good red zone threat at 6'6" and 270lbs, but he hasn't played since 2006.

Everyone else was already with the team.

My verdict: Besides Martinez, who could possibly take Jacoby Jones' or Andre Davis' roster spot (unlikely), this is just a bunch of camp fodder. Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

steelbtexan
01-06-2009, 12:55 AM
Martinez gives JJ competition

Anderson may take the place of Bruener

Porky
01-06-2009, 09:07 AM
I liked Mark Simmons a lot this past pre-season, but barring injury I just don't see how he makes it with the players we already have. Seems like he needs to go to another team lacking WR depth to stick.

Courtney Anderson intrigues me too as a 3rd TE prospect.

Brink is camp fodder unless he has improved a lot. I liked Boyd a lot better this past pre-season.

HOU-TEX
01-06-2009, 09:16 AM
Alex Brink will be the best QB in the NFL.

Errant Hothy
01-16-2009, 02:35 PM
The last cut from last year's TC is back, after spending a year in teh CFL playing for the Toronto Argonauts.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/572030

Miller is the second subtraction from the Argos in two days. On Wednesday, the team announced that offensive lineman Cliff Washburn had signed with the Houston Texans of the NFL.

Edit: My bad, this should be merged into this:
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57579

If a mod would be so kind.

SheTexan
01-16-2009, 04:17 PM
Just wake me up when they resign Dunte.

nunusguy
01-16-2009, 04:31 PM
Just wake me up when they resign Dunte.

FWIW, D-Rob was at the East-West practice this week and Channel 13 caught up with him and asked him about negotiations for a new contract and he said in so many words that he and the Texans were a long, long ways apart, but he held out hope.

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 04:36 PM
FWIW, D-Rob was at the East-West practice this week and Channel 13 caught up with him and asked him about negotiations for a new contract and he said in so many words that he and the Texans were a long, long ways apart, but he held out hope.

Seems about right. The team thinks he's an injury risk now, and he thinks that he worked his ... off to get back after a career-threatening injury, lit a fire under a team that was struggling, and helped them pull an 8-8 season out of nowhere. Dunta is a good player who has been working for his big pay day for a while now. He brings a lot to the team. He'll will be re-signed.

Errant Hothy
01-16-2009, 04:38 PM
Seems about right. The team thinks he's an injury risk now, and he thinks that he worked his ... off to get back after a career-threatening injury, lit a fire under a team that was struggling, and helped them pull an 8-8 season out of nowhere. Dunta is a good player who has been working for his big pay day for a while now. He brings a lot to the team. He'll will be re-signed.

Dunta is working for his second big pay day,as a first round draft pick he already got his first.

D-ReK
01-16-2009, 04:50 PM
Dunta is working for his second big pay day,as a first round draft pick he already got his first.

Robinson was signed to a 5 year deal worth approximately $10.7M. While that's a big pay day for most people, according to Manfull:

Robinson wants a contract that will pay him what the top cornerbacks in the league receive. But he realizes it won’t be easy because he is coming off a major injury. Even though he returned midway through this season after a full year of rehabilitation, he wasn’t able to return to full strength.
LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6186246.html)

The top CBs in the league receive around $10M a season and $20M guaranteed. He's basically looking to make what he made in 5 years every year.

Errant Hothy
01-16-2009, 05:04 PM
Robinson was signed to a 5 year deal worth approximately $10.7M. While that's a big pay day for most people, according to Manfull:


LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6186246.html)

The top CBs in the league receive around $10M a season and $20M guaranteed. He's basically looking to make what he made in 5 years every year.

I understand what he wants, although the 10M a season won't happen (as the contracts of Clements and Samuels, which is what that number is based on, are so back loaded it ain't funny). The sticking point will be the signing bonus, and other related bonuses; which is where all elite NFL players make most of their money anyways.

I'm thinking he gets tagged this year.

Lucky
01-16-2009, 06:14 PM
I understand what he wants, although the 10M a season won't happen (as the contracts of Clements and Samuels, which is what that number is based on, are so back loaded it ain't funny).


I'm thinking he gets tagged this year.
If the Texans aren't willing to pay Dunta $10 million per season (and I don't think they would), why would thy want to franchise him in '09 for $10 million? I'm not sure why Robinson wouldn't take a one year contract in 2009, show that he's completely recovered, then hit free agency in an uncapped 2010.

dalemurphy
01-16-2009, 06:48 PM
If the Texans aren't willing to pay Dunta $10 million per season (and I don't think they would), why would thy want to franchise him in '09 for $10 million? I'm not sure why Robinson wouldn't take a one year contract in 2009, show that he's completely recovered, then hit free agency in an uncapped 2010.

I think it's more likely that he gets transition tagged. It costs the team less money and allows the opportunity to match any deal Dunta gets with anyone else. I think Dunta will see when he shops himself around that teams are hesitant to throw huge money at a guy with his recent injury.

Texecutioner
01-16-2009, 06:55 PM
I understand what he wants, although the 10M a season won't happen (as the contracts of Clements and Samuels, which is what that number is based on, are so back loaded it ain't funny). The sticking point will be the signing bonus, and other related bonuses; which is where all elite NFL players make most of their money anyways.

I'm thinking he gets tagged this year.

Yes, you are correct. I love Dunta but right now he isn't worth that much money any way. He is a very good CB, but I wouldn't call him a great one. he still hasn't had a season that was as good as his rookie season.

We really need him back, but not for top dollars when he hasn't played a whole lot in the last two seasons. He needs to show for at least one more year that not only can he stay healthy but he is a top 5 to top 10 CB if he wants to get paid a big time CB salary.

I think that teams will want him in free agency, but I highly doubt that they'll be offering him more than what we will considering that we most likely covet him more than other teams around the league since he already has been here a few years. I don't think other teams will be as high on his game as the Texans organization will be.

Lucky
01-16-2009, 07:10 PM
I think it's more likely that he gets transition tagged. It costs the team less money and allows the opportunity to match any deal Dunta gets with anyone else.
How much less? last year the difference between franchise and transition tag numbers for cornerbacks was $1.8 million. I think that if the Texans are willing to guarantee Robinson a salary of $8 -$9 million in 2009, they could probably find a long term deal Dunta's willing to accept.

Here's the deal (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2784) Carolina Panthers CB Chris Gamble (like Dunta, a 2004 1st rounder) signed during the '08 season. That's probably similar to a long term deal that Robinson would take.

11/28/2008: Signed a six-year, $53 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus. 2009: $4 million (+ $10 million roster bonus due in February), 2010: $3.25 million, 2011: $6,244,117, 2012: $6.75 million, 2013: $7.95 million, 2014: $8.85 million, 2015: Free AgentShould the Texans offer something like this to Robinson. Yeah, if it's a two-tiered bonus structure with Dunta getting some this offseason, and the lion's share prior to 2010 free agent period. It's not a Clement or Samuel type deal, but it would be fair to both sides.

Edit: Actually, Samuel signed a contract (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_contracts.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=PHI) with a two-tiered bonus. Good signing by the Eagles.

dalemurphy
01-16-2009, 07:33 PM
How much less? last year the difference between franchise and transition tag numbers for cornerbacks was $1.8 million. I think that if the Texans are willing to guarantee Robinson a salary of $8 -$9 million in 2009, they could probably find a long term deal Dunta's willing to accept.

Here's the deal (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2784) Carolina Panthers CB Chris Gamble (like Dunta, a 2004 1st rounder) signed during the '08 season. That's probably similar to a long term deal that Robinson would take.

Should the Texans offer something like this to Robinson. Yeah, if it's a two-tiered bonus structure with Dunta getting some this offseason, and the lion's share prior to 2010 free agent period. It's not a Clement or Samuel type deal, but it would be fair to both sides.




Well, it's usually about 20% less. But, the other thing the transition tag does, is allows the player to shop himself in the market while the team still retains his rights- that way, a player who is overpricing himself gets a dose of reality in the market without the risk of losing him.

gtexan02
01-16-2009, 08:43 PM
Based on what I've heard through the grapevine, DRob does not think he's going to get what he wants in Houston, and is ready to test the waters ont he open market. The person I talked to seemed pretty sure the only way we'd be bringing him back in 09 is with a franchise tag

Wolf6151
01-16-2009, 08:46 PM
Dunta's not worth a franchise tag, he's good but not top 5 good. If he wants to test the FA market, let him.

Big Lou
01-16-2009, 10:11 PM
Let me start by saying that I love Dunta. He works hard and isn't the typical trash talking arrogant CB in the NFL. He aurguably hits harder pound for pound than anyone else in the league.

However he probably isn't a top 5 cover CB. If you averaged all the attributes of CB's he would be close if not in the top 5, but obviousley CB's are paid the big bucks when they are true shut down CB's. Also it is tough to guage just how good he is, because the team has rarely gotten preassure on opposing QB's. Also after coming off an injury he has to know it will take away some of his leverage with any team.

If I'm Rick Smith I would offer two deals:

1. 7.5 million per year on a three year deal not too much guaranteed since Dunta may have had his best days behind him. Also front load the bonus' in case he ends up as the nickel CB and has to be cut in a year or two and wer're forced to sign an expensive FA, or draft a 1st or 2nd rounder.

2. 5 million dollar three year deal, with a lot of lucrative bonus' based on performance, that could lead to the elite 10 million annual range. I think Dunta derserves if he shows he's still got it.

Hervoyel
01-16-2009, 11:12 PM
Alex Brink will be the best QB in the NFL.

Seconded. What Alex Brink has is that "certain something" that makes him a winner despite the fact that he never won much in college. Alex Brink is Tom Brady without the opportunity to step in and prove himself like Tom Brady had. He's easily the best QB this franchise ever drafted (granted that bar hasn't been set too high) and mark my words on this. In 2010 we'll all be talking about how hard it is to find one of those back-ordered Alex Brink Pro Bowl jerseys.

I wonder who Brink will get to introduce him at his induction in Canton. Probably Kubiak. He'll be like a second father to Brink after their 4th title.

TEXANRED
01-16-2009, 11:14 PM
Seconded. What Alex Brink has is that "certain something" that makes him a winner despite the fact that he never won much in college. Alex Brink is Tom Brady without the opportunity to step in and prove himself like Tom Brady had. He's easily the best QB this franchise ever drafted (granted that bar hasn't been set too high) and mark my words on this. In 2010 we'll all be talking about how hard it is to find one of those back-ordered Alex Brink Pro Bowl jerseys.

I wonder who Brink will get to introduce him at his induction in Canton. Probably Kubiak. He'll be like a second father to Brink after their 4th title.

Really?

gtexan02
01-16-2009, 11:21 PM
If we slap (Have you ever noticed how the franchise tag is always slapped, never placed, etc) the franchise tag on Dunta, he will receive a 1 year salary of $10 million.

Thats a lot of money, and it may be enough that a long term contract actually works out better for us. Think of it like this:

The top corners FA corners in NFL last year received deals worth about 10m per season, with about 25% guaranteed.

Therefore if we give Dunta a contract with slightly less, front load it, and laden it with incentives, it wouldnt be that expensive to keep him around.

If we are going to spend $10 million one way or the other, we may as well use it on front-loaded bonus money for a long term deal,r ight?

mexican_texan
01-16-2009, 11:33 PM
How much less? last year the difference between franchise and transition tag numbers for cornerbacks was $1.8 million. I think that if the Texans are willing to guarantee Robinson a salary of $8 -$9 million in 2009, they could probably find a long term deal Dunta's willing to accept.

Here's the deal (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2784) Carolina Panthers CB Chris Gamble (like Dunta, a 2004 1st rounder) signed during the '08 season. That's probably similar to a long term deal that Robinson would take.

Should the Texans offer something like this to Robinson. Yeah, if it's a two-tiered bonus structure with Dunta getting some this offseason, and the lion's share prior to 2010 free agent period. It's not a Clement or Samuel type deal, but it would be fair to both sides.

Edit: Actually, Samuel signed a contract (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_contracts.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=PHI) with a two-tiered bonus. Good signing by the Eagles.
The Panthers got a good deal out of that, but I don't think Dunta is worth that much. Maybe 5 years, $45 with at least $15 dedicated to the last year

nunusguy
01-17-2009, 06:56 AM
If the Texans aren't willing to pay Dunta $10 million per season (and I don't think they would), why would thy want to franchise him in '09 for $10 million? I'm not sure why Robinson wouldn't take a one year contract in 2009, show that he's completely recovered, then hit free agency in an uncapped 2010.

Isn't one (not the only reason) of the reasons players hate the one-year
franchise tag is that they are screwed if they get injured in that year ?
In D-Robs case he may be especially anxious to complete a long-term,
multi-year deal while he's healthy again. I'd think in particular a guy who got a very serious injury like D-Rob would be fearful of another injury/re-injury which might effectively end his big dollar earning power ?

Hervoyel
01-17-2009, 08:16 AM
Really?

No. Not really.