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Wolf
01-04-2009, 08:28 PM
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=896409
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. Oklahoma cornerback Dominique Franks was trying to stick up for his team's defense Sunday when he took an indirect swipe at Florida quarterback Tim Tebow.

"You look at the three best quarterbacks in the country, (they) came from the Big 12," Franks said. "You look at the three best receivers, (they) came from the Big 12. The three best tight ends came from the Big 12. So we have faced some great offenses, and a lot of people don't understand that other conferences don't have what we face."

Does that mean Tebow the 2007 Heisman Trophy winner and a third-place finisher in the balloting this year - isn't one of the three best quarterbacks in the country?

"Yeah, I think our quarterbacks are better," Franks said.

The second-team all-Big 12 selection naturally thought his own quarterback Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford was better than Tebow. He also rated Tebow behind Texas' Colt McCoy and Texas Tech's Graham Harrell. Franks' team faces Tebow's Gators on Thursday in the BCS Championship Game at Miami.

Franks said it was tougher him to deal with the likes of McCoy and Harrell because they throw the ball so much more than Tebow.

"It's a lot harder to prepare for those guys," Franks said. "We're coming in and facing Tebow, and he wants to run the ball a lot more. He's predominantly a running quarterback. So to me it's going to be a lot easier for us to prepare to stop the run than having to face a quarterback that might throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game."

beerlover
01-04-2009, 08:38 PM
bulletin board material :tearup:

Lucky
01-04-2009, 08:42 PM
I can understand why Franks would be more concerned over McCoy or Harrell. But, I think the Sooner d-linemen and linebackers would be more concerned by Tebow.

Maximus 135
01-05-2009, 05:27 AM
Very understandable

hradhak
01-06-2009, 08:31 PM
I for one am less than impressed with Tebow.
It seems a lot of his loft numbers come from other people getting him to the goal line and then him calling his own number and running it in. If anything his Heisman last year should have gone to his O line for pushing the pile and allowing him to walk it in.

Texan JBZ
01-06-2009, 08:48 PM
Well, since most of you have a Big 12 bias, I'm going to bring in my SEC bias. Oklahoma has a vanilla soft defense. For anyone to be talking trash from their defense is stupid, especially when you're directing it toward Tim Tebow. Look, there are better overall QBs in the country than Tebow. There's no denying that. But you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy on any football field at any level who wants to win as much as Tebow. You can see in his eyes and in his actions. His teammates would probably jump on a grenade for the guy. Plus, Franks has better things to worry about like keeping up with Murphy and Harvin.

I think the Big 12 has been exposed some this bowl season. Ok St got trounced by Oregon. The Ole Miss Rebels, from my home state, blew the Red Raiders up. Texas eeked out a win against a bad Ohio State team. And yes, they were bad for Ohio State standards. I know Pryor is a true frosh and all, but man, talk about overrated talent coming out of high school! And after the Mighty Gators finish running their four quarter track meet on Oklahoma, the top four teams in the Big 12 will have a combined bowl record of 1-3.

And yeah, I know before you even get to it - What about Bama? Plain and simple, they laid an egg. They didn't have the best lineman in the country playing in that game because he's stupid, his backup got hurt in the 1st quarter, and JPW is garbage. Plus, Utah is a good football team. Bama took em for chumps and it showed.

Back to Franks. He should shut the hell up and enjoy the ass whooping that the SEC's finest is about to lay down on his rootie-pooh, candy-ass! If ya smmmmeeeeeellllllllalalalalalalaaaaaa what Superman is cookin!

Wolf
01-09-2009, 12:42 AM
I wonder what Franks says now?

I honestly didn't really have an objective eye for Tebow after the announcers kept on with their man-crush on Tebow.

Goatcheese
01-09-2009, 12:55 AM
I wonder what Franks says now?

I honestly didn't really have an objective eye for Tebow after the announcers kept on with their man-crush on Tebow.

I would imagine he's happy to be proven correct.

Franks said it was tougher him to deal with the likes of McCoy and Harrell because they throw the ball so much more than Tebow.

"It's a lot harder to prepare for those guys," Franks said. "We're coming in and facing Tebow, and he wants to run the ball a lot more. He's predominantly a running quarterback. So to me it's going to be a lot easier for us to prepare to stop the run than having to face a quarterback that might throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game."

Tebow Passing: 18/30 231 yards 2 TD 2 INT
Tebow Rushing: 22 for 109

Tebow is what Franks said he was.

bah007
01-09-2009, 12:58 AM
I wonder what Franks says now?

I honestly didn't really have an objective eye for Tebow after the announcers kept on with their man-crush on Tebow.

He can't pick up a zone blitz, that's for sure.

If QB's were judged for pro potential based on heart and leadership then Tebow would be the #1 guy.

He can make some of the throws required, but let's face it....as of right now, Tebow can't make all the throws required of a NFL QB. And he isn't going to learn by playing in Florida's offense another year.

If he wants to go back and finish his college legacy then he should. But as a pro, he would be better served entering the draft, taking two or three years of coaching, and then we see if he has what it takes.

Ole Miss Texan
01-09-2009, 10:47 AM
I think Franks was just being honest. If I were playing in the secondary I would be more concerned and gameplan for Bradford, McCoy and Harrell a lot more than Tebow. DL and LB's probably will have a tougher time with Tebow but not the secondary.

What happend when Tebow locked onto his WR? INT from the safety, Harris. I was unimpressed with Tebow's passing game and how it translates to the NFL. As a college QB and pure football player, Tebow is 2nd to none. The guy has more heart and passion than any other player. I don't see him as a great pro prospect, but he's in college and can dominate a game RIGHT now.

Again though, Franks is 100% correct. Tebow scares defenses with his ability to run... not throw. Vince Young was the same way. Secondaries are more worried about QB's that can throw than QB's that can't throw. plain and simple.

Mr teX
01-09-2009, 10:55 AM
He was pretty much right.. Florids's offense got rolling when Tebow began running the ball. Early on in the game when Meyer tried to showcase Tebow as a passer, he was garbage.

He goes through his progessions too slow & though he might have the arm strength to zip it to the target, he rarely throws the ball with conviction unless it's a short slant. Anything beyond that, & he has to take a bit off b/c he loses his accuracy otherwise...& that's if he's not under pressure.

He's the white version of VY.

Polo
01-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Franks was wrong...

Not sure why guys are trying to spin it otherwise....

Ole Miss Texan
01-09-2009, 12:33 PM
Franks was wrong...

Not sure why guys are trying to spin it otherwise....

How so? As a cornerback what QB would you least be worried about? Sam Bradford, Graham Harrell, Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow? No spin involved, spinning would be saying that Tebow is a bigger passing threat than the other QBs.

Against OU:
Colt was 28/35 for 277 yards 1 TD and 0 INT
Harell was 33/55 for 361 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT
Tebow was 18/30 for 231 yards 2 TDs and 2 INTs

This season Florida was 11-0 when Tebow had 26 ATTEMPTS per game or less. He only had 30+ attempts in 2 games and was 1-1 (going into the BCS game). Percy Harvin (WR) is their big play threat and we even saw it last night, he was most dangerous getting the ball at the line of scrimmage and making a play. 122 rushing yards (1 TD) and only 49 receiving yards. He's got more rushing TD's than receiving TD's this season.

Can't compare Bradford's stats against OU's defense for obvious reasons but he had 10 games of 30+ attempts, most of those in the 40's. The guy won the heisman for a reason, his passing ability.

I'm not trying to knock down Tebow at all because he's one of my favorite College players. I think Frank's wasn't too smart making some of his comments to the public/reporter but hey... it's not like he was making stuff up.

Polo
01-09-2009, 12:54 PM
How so? As a cornerback what QB would you least be worried about?

I'd be most worried about the guy who gives the opposition best chance of winning the game.


Pretty selfish of him if he just didn't want to have too many catches made on him.

Polo
01-09-2009, 12:55 PM
Doesn't matter whether I'm a DB, LB, DLineman, Coach, Front office member, Fan, band member, OU Alumni, Ex player, Roy Williams, or water boy...

I'm more worried about the guy that's going to do what he needs to do to win the game....period...

He was wrong because he underestimated Tebo as a total package. He thought that because he wasn't as elite a passer as Harrell, McCoy, or Bradford that it would be easier on the defense because they'd be able to just focus on the run...

Last time I checked he was wrong. He was wrong on all accounts. Florida had two 100yrd rushers and Tebo made some nice throws when he needed to make them.

TimeKiller
01-09-2009, 01:43 PM
What are the chances Tebow enters as a RB?

We do need that bruiser....

Ole Miss Texan
01-09-2009, 01:58 PM
I'd be most worried about the guy who gives the opposition best chance of winning the game.


Pretty selfish of him if he just didn't want to have too many catches made on him.

You do have some great points. Franks said how Tebow is easier to game plan against because he's not going to throw the ball 40-50 times. He wants to run, florida wants to run so it does "in a sense" make it easier to focus on and gameplan against than a better comination of run/pass.

With that said, OU didn't game plan well enough... or even if they did, they didn't execute as well as they should have to win. I like what you said about being worried about the guy who gives them the best chance of winning b/c Tebow does exemplify that. Tebow is a guy that will get his ST and Defense pumped up... Bradford, Harrell and McCoy less so.

I still think it may be harder to prepare for the other QB's but Florida is just hard to stop. OU failed to to stop him, just like most teams.

Here's the recipe to beat Florida. Stop him from running and force him to pass the ball. Bob Stoops must not have watched some games this season. :)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=282710057

Goatcheese
01-09-2009, 02:08 PM
Florida's defense won that game, not Tebow. If I told you before the game that Florida would only score 24 points, and Tebow would throw 2 picks, 99% of people would assume Oklahoma won.

Polo
01-09-2009, 02:12 PM
Florida's defense won that game, not Tebow. If I told you before the game that Florida would only score 24 points, and Tebow would throw 2 picks, 99% of people would assume Oklahoma won.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Haven't seen one person say Tebo won the game. He was a big factor and a key piece though.

bah007
01-09-2009, 02:30 PM
Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Haven't seen one person say Tebo won the game. He was a big factor and a key piece though.

Tebow is their Mr. Everything.

But Percy Harvin was the offensive player of the game against OU.

76Texan
01-09-2009, 02:48 PM
OU also had a few mishaps that proved to be costly.
It was a hard-fought contest.
No, the Sooners' defense did not break down, IMO.
The team that made the most of the opportunities won, the way it's supposed to be in a national championship.

I love Superman, but I'm always afraid that he will hurt himself running the ball too much.

Can McNabb be effective without his scrambling ability?
I don't think so.
Does he get hurt often by running with the ball?
Sure, he did!

Polo
01-09-2009, 02:49 PM
Tebow is their Mr. Everything.

But Percy Harvin was the offensive player of the game against OU.

I think Percy Harvin had a great game, but Tebo would still be my offensive player of the game...

I think that overall Tim had a greater influence on the outcome...Not knocking anything Percy did at all though....

Mailman
01-09-2009, 03:04 PM
I think Percy Harvin had a great game, but Tebo would still be my offensive player of the game...

I think that overall Tim had a greater influence on the outcome...Not knocking anything Percy did at all though....

No way. Harvin was the player of the game by far.

Polo
01-09-2009, 03:05 PM
No way. Harvin was the player of the game by far.

I disagree.

Mr teX
01-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Harvin....

bah007
01-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Tebow coming back for his senior year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3825566

Tim Tebow is coming back.

Florida QB Tim Tebow is the fifth player since 1950 to win a Heisman Trophy and two national titles.

The Florida quarterback told a crowd celebrating the school's latest national title Sunday he wants to lead the Gators to another championship.

Tebow thrilled the 40,000 fans by saying: "Oh, by the way, let's do it again. I'm coming back."