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SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 06:51 PM
Who do you think will win?

I have the Chargers by 2 TDs:wild:

JCTexan
01-03-2009, 06:53 PM
I think the Colts will win it. They've won more games in a row then the Chargers have won all year. Colts by 10.

WesmanTexanfan
01-03-2009, 06:53 PM
Who do you think will win?

I have the Chargers by 2 TDs:wild:

chargers -8.5

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 06:56 PM
I disagree, the only two games they won were blowouts, and rest were close. I hope the Chargers prove that the Colts are ****ing overrated tonight. I really do.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 07:00 PM
Oh, and Peyton only have 3 300+ passing yards game.

please.

LonerATO
01-03-2009, 07:02 PM
someone please can that horrible song on sunday night football!

b0ng
01-03-2009, 07:09 PM
No Tomlinson, No Gates? I don't think this will go well for them at all.

mexican_texan
01-03-2009, 07:16 PM
I don't think the Chargers have a shot

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 07:16 PM
someone please can that horrible song on sunday night football!

As long as ESPN and Tony K from MNF are missing I'll live with the song...lol.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2009, 07:58 PM
No Tomlinson, No Gates? I don't think this will go well for them at all.

Looks like they are playing. Props for my avatar for playing with a groin that isn't attached at one place.

Goldensilence
01-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Props to Gates and Tomlinson for playing but I don't think it'll help too much. I think the Colts will pull away in the second half. Right now the Charger's punter is the MVP of the game. He's done a hell of a job.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 08:28 PM
fumble, 33 seconds left to go

edo783
01-03-2009, 08:36 PM
Manning is off when the heat is in his face.

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 09:08 PM
Manning is off when the heat is in his face.
like pretty much every QB

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 09:08 PM
dammit

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 09:12 PM
Wow. What a sick feeling Cromartie must have had watching the lead run right past him.

gary
01-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Wayne is the man.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 09:22 PM
not cool.

gary
01-03-2009, 09:36 PM
Nice INT.

GlassHalfFull
01-03-2009, 09:37 PM
Two turnovers in the endzone to prevent scores. Yikes, the Charger fans must be livid. I know what our message board would look like if this happened to us.

gary
01-03-2009, 09:42 PM
Manning is on fire tonight.

gary
01-03-2009, 09:47 PM
Do not ask me what happend on that drive.

texanhead08
01-03-2009, 09:47 PM
The Chargers not taking advantage of missed chances is killing them. They have 2 turnovers in scoring range plus have dropped at least two potential interceptions.

Goldensilence
01-03-2009, 09:48 PM
Both defenses keep making big plays or big stops. One thing I will say about this Charger team is it is chalked full of football players, it's practically Norv proof.

gary
01-03-2009, 09:55 PM
Both defenses keep making big plays or big stops. One thing I will say about this Charger team is it is chalked full of football players, it's practically Norv proof.Huge job by both defenses tonight.

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 09:57 PM
might be the best game a punter's ever had

Goldensilence
01-03-2009, 09:58 PM
Dude forget Lechler for a moment what about this Scifer kid? He has been on FIRE tonight.

gary
01-03-2009, 10:00 PM
It sure looks that way.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2009, 10:02 PM
Great blitz!!

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 10:11 PM
awesome sack

tie game

come on chargers!

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 10:16 PM
4th timeout? wtf??

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 10:17 PM
they gave one extra to the colts, right?

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Chargers have had a lot of opportunities to put t away and haven't closed the deal. Not picking off Peyton 2-3 times is haunting them.

gary
01-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Ot.

GlassHalfFull
01-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Interesting, I never knew that one. If the team has a 4th charged timeout due to injury, the other team gets an extra timeout added back.

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Sooo, do the Chargers lose one of the overtime time outs for using 4 in regular play?

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 10:19 PM
come on chargers, win the coin toss!

GlassHalfFull
01-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Chargers have had a lot of opportunities to put t away and haven't closed the deal. Not picking off Peyton 2-3 times is haunting them.

Turning the ball over twice in the endzone sure didn't help their cause.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Yes

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:20 PM
Interesting, I never knew that one. If the team has a 4th charged timeout due to injury, the other team gets an extra timeout added back.

I thought they just gave back the one they had charged the Colts with on that play....it was an extra one given them??? Didn't know any of this.

The Pencil Neck
01-03-2009, 10:22 PM
Interesting, I never knew that one. If the team has a 4th charged timeout due to injury, the other team gets an extra timeout added back.

I think they worded it weird.

Normally, if there was an injured player during the final 2:00 of a half, the team would have either been charged a time out OR a 10 second run off. The Chargers didn't have a time out BUT the Colts didn't want the 10 second run off. So... they charged the time taken to the Chargers.

BUT... the Colts had already called their time out because they didn't realize there was an injured Charger on the field. So, they were given their time out back because the time would have stopped any way.

Does that make sense to anyone other than me?

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:25 PM
I think they worded it weird.

Normally, if there was an injured player during the final 2:00 of a half, the team would have either been charged a time out OR a 10 second run off. The Chargers didn't have a time out BUT the Colts didn't want the 10 second run off. So... they charged the time taken to the Chargers.

BUT... the Colts had already called their time out because they didn't realize there was an injured Charger on the field. So, they were given their time out back because the time would have stopped any way.

Does that make sense to anyone other than me?

Ya, kind of. I wonder what would happen if they were both out of them? I guess the game gets played with both teams having 4 time outs.

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:33 PM
OUCH, that face mask penalty will do them in.

gary
01-03-2009, 10:34 PM
Just stupid flags.

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 10:34 PM
OUCH, that face mask penalty will do them in.

Yep. Game over.

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:35 PM
Sproules wins it for the Chargers! The kid had one heck of a night.

axman40
01-03-2009, 10:35 PM
Super Chargers!
:specnatz:

Giant Tiger
01-03-2009, 10:35 PM
Good :)

Htownsportsfan
01-03-2009, 10:35 PM
The OT play by the Colts was sloppy as hell! Penalties and bad tackling.

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 10:36 PM
If the NFL had any sense the Colts would get their shot. But the NFL has no sense.

Goldensilence
01-03-2009, 10:36 PM
I hate to see a game decided by the Refs.

gary
01-03-2009, 10:36 PM
That right there is why I'd like him as our second RB.

Pantherstang84
01-03-2009, 10:37 PM
Was it protection problems?

Pay Me A Ton on the sideline?

Priceless!

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 10:37 PM
That was awesome.

My brother is a Cowboys and a Colts fan and they are both out of the Playoff!

I'm glad they proved that the Colts are freaking overrated. :)

LonerATO
01-03-2009, 10:37 PM
Nothing better than watching Manning lose, well besides the Titans losing as well. Loved Session getting all pissed off at the camera guy

Pantherstang84
01-03-2009, 10:37 PM
I hate to see a game decided by the Refs.

The facemask penalty was blatant. The refs had to throw that flag.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 10:39 PM
The facemask penalty was blatant. The refs had to throw that flag.

Actually, he did facemasked him.

Goldensilence
01-03-2009, 10:39 PM
The facemask penalty was blatant. The refs had to throw that flag.

Not the facemask the holding call.

texanhead08
01-03-2009, 10:40 PM
I love Sproules that guy is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

Pantherstang84
01-03-2009, 10:41 PM
Not the facemask the holding call.

The holding was no phantom call either. Both of them.

It was just sloppy play by the vaunted Tony Dungy Tampa-2 defense.

TexanSam
01-03-2009, 10:41 PM
$prole$ just earned himself a pretty nice contract for this off$ea$on

LonerATO
01-03-2009, 10:42 PM
Chargers cut LT and make Hester/Sproles combine work

Goldensilence
01-03-2009, 10:43 PM
The holding was no phantom call either. Both of them.

It was just sloppy play by the vaunted Tony Dungy Tampa-2 defense.

You are allowed to touch the WR within five yards and after that they were both fighting for position.

gary
01-03-2009, 10:43 PM
He is a FA but I do not think that we have the bucks to sign him though.

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 10:44 PM
incredible game. Sproles is great. Tomlinson is done.

http://www.mcfarlane.com/toys/football/nfl16/ltomlinson/images/nfl16_ltomlinson_photo_01_dp.jpg

LonerATO
01-03-2009, 10:45 PM
incredible game. Sproles is great. Tomlinson is done.

http://www.mcfarlane.com/toys/football/nfl16/ltomlinson/images/nfl16_ltomlinson_photo_01_dp.jpg

he was done last year in the playoffs and was a wasted pick in one of my leagues this year

edo783
01-03-2009, 10:48 PM
Chargers are peaking at just the right time.

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 10:50 PM
Chargers are peaking at just the right time.
ultimately that's what it's about. 8-8 really doesn't mean anything. some teams take a while to play to their abilities. the Patriots last year peaked at week 10, and slowly fell off each week after

Speedy
01-03-2009, 10:50 PM
If the NFL had any sense the Colts would get their shot. But the NFL has no sense.

What are you talking about? The Colts had their shot. It happened to be on defense, and they blew it with some stupid penalties, but they had plenty of shot to stop them and give it to Manning. They just didn't get it done.

Let's not start the change the OT rules BS. It's fine just like it is.

Speedy
01-03-2009, 10:52 PM
You are allowed to touch the WR within five yards and after that they were both fighting for position.

You might be allowed to touch him but you're not allowed to grab his jersey and keep him from going up field, which is what he did. Flag, no question about it.

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 10:54 PM
What are you talking about? The Colts had their shot. It happened to be on defense, and they blew it with some stupid penalties, but they had plenty of shot to stop them and give it to Manning. They just didn't get it done.

Let's not start the change the OT rules BS. It's fine just like it is.

I'm talking about a better OT format. Anyway I just posted my opinion which hasn't changed in years. I wasn't pulling for either team. Having a shot on defense and defense only is not the same and you know it.

I posted my opinion if that's OK with you.

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 10:57 PM
it's not baseball, you're able to create turnovers and score on defense.

TexanSam
01-03-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm talking about a better OT format. Anyway I just posted my opinion which hasn't changed in years. I wasn't pulling for either team. Having a shot on defense and defense only is not the same and you know it.

I posted my opinion if that's OK with you.

I agree. I don't like the overtime rule either.

b0ng
01-03-2009, 11:02 PM
Coltfreaks must be melting down right now.

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 11:03 PM
it's not baseball, you're able to create turnovers and score on defense.

I'm talking a fair way to have OT. This is really a no-brainer, or do you think the replay rules are fair as well?

eriadoc
01-03-2009, 11:05 PM
I think OT is fine. If you lose the toss, you go out and play defense. The problem with that is the league has done so much to bolster offense in recent years that this hew and cry about the OT rules is a reaction to those changes. So fix those problems, not the OT rules. JMO.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2009, 11:08 PM
Not the facemask the holding call.

The holding call was blatant. He held him up, let him go and turned him by his shoulder pads and THEN interfered with him. It was an on field assualt.

I also hate people calling LT out. The guy has always been a pro and a stud. Last year he couldn't play and explained it. I didn't like until he explained it. This game the guy has a tendon connecting his groin to pelvis gone and he still tried to play. People always wanting to ***** and moan and tear people down

TexanSam
01-03-2009, 11:12 PM
Coltfreaks must be melting down right now.

Yup. Just like any other board would be though for a team that lost a close playoff game.

Showtime100
01-03-2009, 11:13 PM
I think OT is fine. If you lose the toss, you go out and play defense. The problem with that is the league has done so much to bolster offense in recent years that this hew and cry about the OT rules is a reaction to those changes. So fix those problems, not the OT rules. JMO.

Or you could do the obvious and have a fair OT. Or you could change one simple rule instead of several rules and have the Charger defense out there like the Indy defense was. I have hated the unfair rule from day one. Guys, this isn't rocket science.

b0ng
01-03-2009, 11:17 PM
Yup. Just like any other board would be though for a team that lost a close playoff game.

Only a few "Refs screwed us" threads and a lot more "wah wah" inside other threads.

I thought the holding call there gave me flashbacks to the Texans defense this season.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 11:21 PM
http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13008

hehehe

kastofsna
01-03-2009, 11:27 PM
I'm talking a fair way to have OT. This is really a no-brainer, or do you think the replay rules are fair as well?
well what's the fair way then

Second Honeymoon
01-03-2009, 11:33 PM
wow, colts fans are melting down. some are even saying that Peyton choked. what ungrateful bastages.

the only people that choked were the Colts D in OT. Sessions especially. That facemask was just ignorant.

Mailman
01-03-2009, 11:35 PM
I wanted a Colts-Titans AFC Championship game just to bolster the reputation of the AFC South.

I can root for the Colts. They're not douchenzebaggas like the Tennessee Titans. I have much respect for what they've accomplished this decade.

SteveSlaton20
01-03-2009, 11:39 PM
I wanted a Colts-Titans AFC Championship game just to bolster the reputation of the AFC South.

I can root for the Colts. They're not douchenzebaggas like the Tennessee Titans. I have much respect for what they've accomplished this decade.

**** them all

Mailman
01-03-2009, 11:39 PM
wow, colts fans are melting down. some are even saying that Peyton choked. what ungrateful bastages.

the only people that choked were the Colts D in OT. Sessions especially. That facemask was just ignorant.

Great response by Sessions after the game was over. One camera man followed him off the field and he told him to get the (expletive expletive) out of his face.

Speedy
01-04-2009, 02:05 AM
Or you could do the obvious and have a fair OT. Or you could change one simple rule instead of several rules and have the Charger defense out there like the Indy defense was. I have hated the unfair rule from day one. Guys, this isn't rocket science.

Yeah, let's just keep going back and forth and keep the game going forever. Better yet, let's adopt the college OT. That isn't even football. No thank you. If you don't win it in regulation, then you take your chances in SUDDEN DEATH!!!!

Colts make the stop on 3rd and 11, Chargers are punting.
Colts don't hold the first time and it's 3rd and 4, no telling what happens. Hold them on the next play Bolts are punting.
Colts don't hold the 2nd time, and SD either punts or goes for a 58 yarder.

OT is just fine the way it is. It isn't unfair. You HAVE to play defense. If you don't, you lose. Why punish the Chargers for the Colts failure on D? That doesn't seem too fair.

Back to the game for a sec...should the Colts have taken the safety instead of punting from the back of the end zone? Yeah it's a 1 point game and SD can win on a FG (they won anyway), but if you're kicking from the 20 and you're more set to defend a return, instead of trying to keep the punt from being blocked, maybe the Bolts are backed up well into their own end of the field instead of starting on Indy's side, which could have made a difference.

Either way, I'm just glad to see a Manning and a division rival go down. Let's make it a 2-fer next weekend.

mancunian
01-04-2009, 04:54 AM
I've just watched the highlights and thing that struck me in OT was how many penalty yards the Colts gave up.

Old School
01-04-2009, 05:07 AM
wow, colts fans are melting down. some are even saying that Peyton choked. what ungrateful bastages.

the only people that choked were the Colts D in OT. Sessions especially. That facemask was just ignorant.
I didnt get to look at that play very well but from what I saw it looked like he didn't grab the facemask but pushed him down kinda like a stiff-arm. Am I wrong in this and if I am not, what is the difference in shoving someones face in the ground and a stiff-arm?

Old School
01-04-2009, 05:24 AM
well what's the fair way then
let me throw this out there (please don't throw any fish heads). Flip a coin and the winner gets to receive or defer. Kick off like normal and whatever that team does the other team has to match or do better. Can you imagine one team scoring a touchdown and PAT in overtime and then if the other team scores a TD they have the option of going for 2 points to win. That sounds pretty neat to me.

Pantherstang84
01-04-2009, 08:17 AM
I didnt get to look at that play very well but from what I saw it looked like he didn't grab the facemask but pushed him down kinda like a stiff-arm. Am I wrong in this and if I am not, what is the difference in shoving someones face in the ground and a stiff-arm?

Oh no. He grabbed it. He grabbed and then twisted Sproles head around afterwards. There was no maybe about it.

axman40
01-04-2009, 08:17 AM
I didnt get to look at that play very well but from what I saw it looked like he didn't grab the facemask but pushed him down kinda like a stiff-arm. Am I wrong in this and if I am not, what is the difference in shoving someones face in the ground and a stiff-arm?
The defender yanked down on the facemask while making the tackle!

beerlover
01-04-2009, 09:02 AM
while his hand was clearly on the face mask it was flat - never grabing always pushing. kinda like stretching or resistance exercise you don't grab the wall your pushing against it, still anytime a players hands go to the face he's getting flagged :aggressive:

TexansSeminole
01-04-2009, 09:22 AM
I thought the story of the game was Rivera and his defense. They were constantly shifting the front and the Colts O-line simply could not block them.

Having said that I did think the refs threw way too many flags. Not so much at the end of the game but in the middle of it. Probably my least favorite officials in the game. I'm not sure it affected the game much though.

while his hand was clearly on the face mask it was flat - never grabing always pushing. kinda like stretching or resistance exercise you don't grab the wall your pushing against it, still anytime a players hands go to the face he's getting flagged :aggressive:

I thought he grabbed it and then let go and pushed him down with the facemask. I think it deserved a call. Just don't grab the facemask. You didn't need to.

Pantherstang84
01-04-2009, 09:33 AM
http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13008

hehehe

The meltdown over there is priceless. Need to keep an eye on Fox News today to see if Lucas Oil stadium gets blown up.

Everything from running Dungy out of town to stopping Manning from calling his own plays.

lol

Pantherstang84
01-04-2009, 09:35 AM
I thought the story of the game was Rivera and his defense. They were constantly shifting the front and the Colts O-line simply could not block them.

Having said that I did think the refs threw way too many flags. Not so much at the end of the game but in the middle of it. Probably my least favorite officials in the game. I'm not sure it affected the game much though.



I thought he grabbed it and then let go and pushed him down with the facemask. I think it deserved a call. Just don't grab the facemask. You didn't need to.

I did too. I kept thinking that we should have grabbed him last year in the off-season while he was just an assistant.

Now that he is the DC, we probably can't get him.

Drew_Smoke
01-04-2009, 09:37 AM
The meltdown over there is priceless. Need to keep an eye on Fox News today to see if Lucas Oil stadium gets blown up.

Everything from running Dungy out of town to stopping Manning from calling his own plays.

lol

Where's coach Ted when they need him????

This game crushed my 4 game parlay!!!

axman40
01-04-2009, 09:59 AM
The Chargers overtime drive .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR3wW99FXPo
:specnatz:

Old School
01-04-2009, 10:08 AM
The meltdown over there is priceless. Need to keep an eye on Fox News today to see if Lucas Oil stadium gets blown up.

Everything from running Dungy out of town to stopping Manning from calling his own plays.

lol
Colts fans are a bunch of idi*ts. They don't know how lucky they are to have a QB of that caliber. Maybe they need to be reminded of the Jeff George days. Hell, if they don't want him I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Texans uni. It would be nice to see someone call an audible at the line once in a while. Hate his commercials, hate his haircut but you can't hate his talent and dedication to his team and to winning.

Wolf
01-04-2009, 10:14 AM
Colts fans are a bunch of idi*ts. They don't know how lucky they are to have a QB of that caliber. Maybe they need to be reminded of the Jeff George days. Hell, if they don't want him I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Texans uni. It would be nice to see someone call an audible at the line once in a while. Hate his commercials, hate his haircut but you can't hate his talent and dedication to his team and to winning.

I don't know if the Texans would have a helmet big enough to fit that head :tease: :joker:

infantrycak
01-04-2009, 10:21 AM
It would be nice to see someone call an audible at the line once in a while.

Having Manning here wouldn't mean a ton of audibles. Shanahan and Kubiak aren't big audible guys, although Kubiak said he is going to consider adding a few more this off-season.

b0ng
01-04-2009, 10:35 AM
Having Manning here wouldn't mean a ton of audibles. Shanahan and Kubiak aren't big audible guys, although Kubiak said he is going to consider adding a few more this off-season.

They might not be big audible guys now, but they also aren't working with a well established QB like Manning. If somehow the sun blew up and Manning ended up on the Texans Kubiak would get fired if he didn't let Manning audible out of plays after he reads the coverages. I like to think that Mannings ability to audible and whatnot makes up a good portion of what qualifies him as a certified "great".

Shit, he'd probably have even more talent on offense here than what he would up there.

steelbtexan
01-04-2009, 10:39 AM
I cant believe a defense caoched by the great Tony Dungy couldn't stop the Chargers when it counted.

Oh wait the same thing happened last year.

He played the am I going to retire again card to take the heat off his inability to get his favored Colts a win in the playoffs again this year & nobody in the media calls him out.

Go write another book Tony.

The Pencil Neck
01-04-2009, 11:42 AM
Ya, kind of. I wonder what would happen if they were both out of them? I guess the game gets played with both teams having 4 time outs.

If both teams had been out of timeouts, then the Colts wouldn't have been able to call a timeout and therefore, they wouldn't have been given one back.

The officials would have just called an official time out and asked if the Colts wanted a 10 second run-off.

infantrycak
01-04-2009, 11:57 AM
They might not be big audible guys now, but they also aren't working with a well established QB like Manning. If somehow the sun blew up and Manning ended up on the Texans Kubiak would get fired if he didn't let Manning audible out of plays after he reads the coverages. I like to think that Mannings ability to audible and whatnot makes up a good portion of what qualifies him as a certified "great".

Shit, he'd probably have even more talent on offense here than what he would up there.

You know Shanahan worked with a QB most consider pretty good, right?

I am sure there would be more audibles just like there may be more this next year with Schaub but I doubt there are many coaches who would allow Manning the freedom he has now. All speculation anyway.

mexican_texan
01-04-2009, 11:58 AM
Having Manning here wouldn't mean a ton of audibles. Shanahan and Kubiak aren't big audible guys, although Kubiak said he is going to consider adding a few more this off-season.
Didn't Kubiak take audibles away from Schaub after his first few games?

HoustonFrog
01-04-2009, 12:05 PM
I did too. I kept thinking that we should have grabbed him last year in the off-season while he was just an assistant.

Now that he is the DC, we probably can't get him.

Rivera has been a head coaching canidate the last few years and probably should have had a job by now. I wanted Dallas to nab him instead of Wade.

As far as the facemask...I'm not sure what the hell game some of you watched but the guy grabbed it, twisted..didn't let go and then pushed him down. It was a blatant 15 yarder and you could see it in his reaction afterward.

infantrycak
01-04-2009, 12:11 PM
Didn't Kubiak take audibles away from Schaub after his first few games?

Not that I recall. There was noise about Carr not being allowed to audible. Kubiak said that was not true but there are some plays they don't want audibled. I suspect he limited Carr severely on options, but as a general matter he isn't big on audibles. He runs plays sometimes to set up plays later and wants to see the reaction. If the QB audibles out, he doesn't get his read. I'm glad to hear he may be relaxing that philosophy though.

WesmanTexanfan
01-04-2009, 12:41 PM
well i didnt cover my spread.. but ill take the SD W!!!



BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH at PM

WWJD
01-04-2009, 12:44 PM
I cant believe a defense caoched by the great Tony Dungy couldn't stop the Chargers when it counted.

Oh wait the same thing happened last year.

He played the am I going to retire again card to take the heat off his inability to get his favored Colts a win in the playoffs again this year & nobody in the media calls him out.

Go write another book Tony.

Oh brother.

He really said LAST offseason that this possibly could be his last year and he hasn't made a big deal out of it at ALL..he's very much one of the coaches that prefers to be low key and not in the news every other day so I don't get your take on that at all.

He told the Colts he would have his mind made up a week after the season was over. I'm sure they are hoping he doesn't retire.

He's one of the best coaches out there and he's dealt with everything in his life with great dignity and character.

Didn't the Colts win the SB a few years ago? Haven't they been competititive for years now?

WWJD
01-04-2009, 12:48 PM
Rivera has been a head coaching canidate the last few years and probably should have had a job by now. I wanted Dallas to nab him instead of Wade.

As far as the facemask...I'm not sure what the hell game some of you watched but the guy grabbed it, twisted..didn't let go and then pushed him down. It was a blatant 15 yarder and you could see it in his reaction afterward.

Did I hear right in that all facemask penalities are 15 yards now?

WesmanTexanfan
01-04-2009, 12:50 PM
Did I hear right in that all facemask penalities are 15 yards now?

ya.....

Pantherstang84
01-04-2009, 12:53 PM
Did I hear right in that all facemask penalities are 15 yards now?

Yes they are. There are no 5 yard variety facemask penalties anymore.

And yes...The facemask penalty was naked and there for everyone to see.

WWJD
01-04-2009, 12:57 PM
I did cut waaayyy back on my watching time this past year but that's truly a "I had my head buried in the sand" type moment.

Thanks. I didn't know that about the facemasks.

eriadoc
01-04-2009, 05:01 PM
Or you could do the obvious and have a fair OT. Or you could change one simple rule instead of several rules and have the Charger defense out there like the Indy defense was. I have hated the unfair rule from day one. Guys, this isn't rocket science.

I don't see what's unfair about it. It's not like you don't get to play if you lose the toss.

Pantherstang84
01-04-2009, 06:41 PM
I don't see what's unfair about it. It's not like you don't get to play if you lose the toss.

Exactly. All you have to do is stop the opposing offense with your defense. Nothing unfair about it.

Showtime100
01-04-2009, 08:45 PM
Yeah, let's just keep going back and forth and keep the game going forever. Better yet, let's adopt the college OT. That isn't even football. No thank you. If you don't win it in regulation, then you take your chances in SUDDEN DEATH!!!!

Colts make the stop on 3rd and 11, Chargers are punting.
Colts don't hold the first time and it's 3rd and 4, no telling what happens. Hold them on the next play Bolts are punting.
Colts don't hold the 2nd time, and SD either punts or goes for a 58 yarder.

OT is just fine the way it is. It isn't unfair. You HAVE to play defense. If you don't, you lose. Why punish the Chargers for the Colts failure on D? That doesn't seem too fair.

Back to the game for a sec...should the Colts have taken the safety instead of punting from the back of the end zone? Yeah it's a 1 point game and SD can win on a FG (they won anyway), but if you're kicking from the 20 and you're more set to defend a return, instead of trying to keep the punt from being blocked, maybe the Bolts are backed up well into their own end of the field instead of starting on Indy's side, which could have made a difference.

Either way, I'm just glad to see a Manning and a division rival go down. Let's make it a 2-fer next weekend.

I'll give you what I have had in mind for years. Each team is guaranteed the OPPORTUNITY to be on offense once and once only. After that all bets are off. If the team that won the toss scores the opposing team gets a kickoff and, assuming they didn't turn it over on the kickoff, that one opportunity to match or better the other score. Again, from that moment on it is indeed sudden death. That way it is fair. One overtime and one OT only unless of course it's playoff football. Not complicated and is very fair.

If I came off rude before I apologize. I don't react too well to "Are you kidding me?" as was posted by one of you in reaction to my simple innocuous opinion. That might be touchy on my part but there are better ways to get a point across. The beginning of your post was annoying as well since I never suggested anything like what you wrote and I think you know that. It isn't like I am an angel on these boards but I try to hold off unnecessarily overreacting to a simple post. In other words I'm getting better at getting off this board when I'm not in a tolerant mood to begin with, but I still slip and am just as guilty as the next guy. I stand by my posts in this thread but I don't come here to argue with friends, but occasionally a button is pushed. I don't know if this last paragraph was necessary but this is just me being me by attempting to clear whatever air needs to be cleared. If I went to the NSZ I'd have to take out about three mf'ers along with myself, so I don't go there :D.

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infantrycak
01-04-2009, 09:07 PM
I'll give you what I have had in mind for years. Each team is guaranteed the OPPORTUNITY to be on offense once and once only. After that all bets are off. If the team that won the toss scores the opposing team gets a kickoff and, assuming they didn't turn it over on the kickoff, that one opportunity to match or better the other score. Again, from that moment on it is indeed sudden death. That way it is fair. One overtime and one OT only unless of course it's playoff football. Not complicated and is very fair.

I'm with you--I don't like the current sudden death system and see no reason why it is more "fair" or any other of the reasons given here.

Speedy
01-04-2009, 09:24 PM
I'll give you what I have had in mind for years. Each team is guaranteed the OPPORTUNITY to be on offense once and once only. After that all bets are off. If the team that won the toss scores the opposing team gets a kickoff and, assuming they didn't turn it over on the kickoff, that one opportunity to match or better the other score. Again, from that moment on it is indeed sudden death. That way it is fair. One overtime and one OT only unless of course it's playoff football. Not complicated and is very fair.

If I came off rude before I apologize. I don't react too well to "Are you kidding me?" as was posted by one of you in reaction to my simple innocuous opinion. That might be touchy on my part but there are better ways to get a point across. The beginning of your post was annoying as well since I never suggested anything like what you wrote and I think you know that. It isn't like I am an angel on these boards but I try to hold off unnecessarily overreacting to a simple post. In other words I'm getting better at getting off this board when I'm not in a tolerant mood to begin with, but I still slip and am just as guilty as the next guy. I stand by my posts in this thread but I don't come here to argue with friends, but occasionally a button is pushed. I don't know if this last paragraph was necessary but this is just me being me by attempting to clear whatever air needs to be cleared. If I went to the NSZ I'd have to take out about three mf'ers along with myself, so I don't go there :D.

:texflag: :fans: :texflag:

My apologies if I came off as rude, but we hear this every time there's an OT game just about. Everybody wants to change the rules of every game that doesn't come out however.

Sudden Death OT has been around since at least the 1958 Championship game, if not longer. It works. It REQUIRES you to play defense. As I said before, if you want to talk about being fair, how is it fair that the Chargers convert a big 3rd and 11, march down the field, thanks in large part to some dumb Indy penalties, and score, why should they be punished by letting Indy have it on offense? On the flip side, why should Indy get to play like crap on defense and be rewarded by getting the ball back to Peyton because of some silly "fairness" rule?

That's why SUDDEN DEATH works. There's no 2nd chances. You used them up in the first 4 quarters. Now it's time to end this game. First to score and that's it. Play defense, make a stop on 3rd and 11 and your offense gets the ball.