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alphajoker
12-30-2008, 03:21 PM
I just saw on NFLN that he does not want to return to the Chiefs. I don't know what it will take to get him, but I think he would be the perfect compliment to Slaton. What do you guys think and if you think he's worth pursuing, what do you think it would take to get him?

El Tejano
12-30-2008, 03:22 PM
I think it would take too much. I also think that he will not want to come to a team that already has a premiere back.

MightyTExan
12-30-2008, 03:23 PM
Since Kubes has a thing for veteran running backs, I think Edgerrin James might do good here as a backup.

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 03:27 PM
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.

Thorn
12-30-2008, 03:29 PM
We can draft a good enough back in the 3rd or 4th round to help Slaton out. We don't need to be paying millions of bucks for another has been.

edit to say: I do think someone to help Slaton out, a short yardage brusier, is a must acquisition in the off season though.

mexican_texan
12-30-2008, 03:29 PM
Since Kubes has a thing for veteran running backs, I think Edgerrin James might do good here as a backup.
That's who I'm expecting us to take a look at. There's no question he's leaving Arizona.

281
12-30-2008, 03:31 PM
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.

exactly.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 03:31 PM
Everyone lock up your wives and daughters. 4 assaults on women in the last 5 years.

Again, other people have covered it. Too much money for limited touches.

Brando
12-30-2008, 03:34 PM
That's who I'm expecting us to take a look at. There's no question he's leaving Arizona.

Add to the fact he was a Colt at one point. Has he had injuries in Arizona?
Because I do not want any one that is injury prone. I do not want no part of damaged goods after the Awman "I'm injured again" Green experiment.


No to Larry Johnson, he is not one of our "guys". He is a very selfish player like Diehard mentioned.

MightyTExan
12-30-2008, 03:35 PM
That's who I'm expecting us to take a look at. There's no question he's leaving Arizona.


Agree- good at pass protection, used to the zone-blocking scheme and no significant injuries the past few seasons.

El Tejano
12-30-2008, 03:40 PM
Agree- good at pass protection, used to the zone-blocking scheme and no significant injuries the past few seasons.

May know a few Colt formations, also a very good receiver out of the backfield. Hightower said that James was very professional in assisting with his developement in the pro game.

Ole Miss Texan
12-30-2008, 03:42 PM
Heck, he'd be a better fit than Shaun Alexander but....NO thanks.

mexican_texan
12-30-2008, 03:48 PM
Edge hasn't had any noteworthy injuries, but he didn't have any blocking in the Denny Green era and he doesn't fit the new regime. He had a 100 yard game to finish out the season, but for the most part, Hightower was the main guy for Arizona.

IlliniJen
12-30-2008, 04:07 PM
A big huge heaping helping of "aaaaah hells no" on LJ.

Edge is interesting, but he could be done. He didn't get any help in Arizona, where I think backs take their careers to die. I just don't know if he would be an over the hill signing ala Green. Granted, Edge has been injury free, but what's left in the tank after running behind a subpar line in Arizona?

Brandon420tx
12-30-2008, 04:08 PM
Edge James

I could definately live with them alternating Slaton and Green as the lightning (like what they did with Ahman this year before he finally kicked the bucket or something similar). While they pick up a late round double quarterpounder who actually knows how to fall forward for a yard.

Especially since this would prolong Slatons career, give him a veteran role mode (a great one at that) added injury protection, and if they're both healthy and by some miracle we make the playoffs, they'll both have some serious energy saved up.

In my mind, I have Slaton averaging 18 carries, James averaging 14, and new powerback averaging 6 a game. Thats almost 40 run plays a game though ... hmm...

rollinstone18
12-30-2008, 04:12 PM
Dude is a grown ass man who spits on women.

pass.

mattieuk
12-30-2008, 04:14 PM
LJ is a no for me. James would be interesting, would all in all be an improvement over LJ, when coupled with looking at $, role expectations, and character issues.

If we're going to blow a whole load of coin on a veteran I would prefer shopping for Deuce, who looks set to leave the Saints (although we couldn't give him the premiere running back role he is reportedly leaving to maintain).

HOU-TEX
12-30-2008, 04:17 PM
LJ is a no for me. James would be interesting, would all in all be an improvement over LJ, when coupled with looking at $, role expectations, and character issues.

If we're going to blow a whole load of coin on a veteran I would prefer shopping for Deuce, who looks set to leave the Saints (although we couldn't give him the premiere running back role he is reportedly leaving to maintain).

Deuce?? His freakin knees are held together by duck butter nowadays. Might as well sign Cadillac Williams, who just tore his shit up.....again.

mattieuk
12-30-2008, 04:22 PM
Deuce?? His freakin knees are held together by duck butter nowadays. Might as well sign Cadillac Williams, who just tore his shit up.....again.

Not advocating that we should take this route at all (hence my terminology of 'wasting' the money.). We are just more likely to get away with a short contract on someone like Duece, or arrange it so that we aren't lumbered with large guarenteed money numbers due to health concerns (unlike our 4 yearer with Ahman) rather than having to dish out a 4 year money churner for someone who has played less games this year.

As it is, FA isn't the way to get our complimentary back for Stevie, so this is all pretty trivial for me anyways.

Big Lou
12-30-2008, 04:23 PM
I think Rhodes is a free agent. I think that would be a good fit if we can't find anyone in the draft.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2008, 04:30 PM
edit to say: I do think someone to help Slaton out, a short yardage brusier, is a must acquisition in the off season though.

Ron Dayne yo! He's perfect, but he's a season removed from playing. He probably visited Shipley's too man times since playing.

Hervoyel
12-30-2008, 04:33 PM
Larry Johnson?

I wouldn't even consider it.

TimeKiller
12-30-2008, 04:34 PM
LJ=NO

Edge is interesting. I would be happy with him complimenting Slaton if they went ahead and found a big guy to power through goalline defenses in the later rounds of the draft.

Texecutioner
12-30-2008, 04:34 PM
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.

This pretty much summed it up. LJ will hopefully stay far away from Houston. If he ends up in Texas, I hope that LJ is wearing a Star.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2008, 04:36 PM
I'm seeing Edge James dropped around here a lot. I wouldn't mind having him here either. He has did okay in Arizona (except for this year). I think he is the perfect short yardage back for us. Our O-Line is definitely better than Arizona's, so he'll do better than he did this year, where it seemed like he averaged two yards per carry.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 04:53 PM
What would be willing to give up in trade for either of these guys? The Chiefs aren't going to give Johnson away and the Cardinals won't give James away. So again I ask, what would y'all be willing to trade??

I would rather take my chances going the FA route:

2009 NFL Free Agents

Player Type 2008 Team
Shaun Alexander UFA Redskins
J.J. Arrington UFA Cardinals
Cedric Benson UFA Bengals
Correll Buckhalter UFA Eagles
Jesse Chatman UFA Jets
P.J. Daniels RFA Ravens
DeDe Dorsey RFA Bengals
DeShaun Foster UFA 49ers
Sam Gado UFA Rams
Brandon Jacobs UFA Giants
Rudi Johnson UFA Lions
Kevin Jones UFA Bears
LaMont Jordan UFA Patriots
Travis Minor UFA Rams
Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks
Chris Perry UFA Bengals
Michael Pittman UFA Broncos
Dominic Rhodes UFA Colts
Darren Sproles UFA Chargers
Aaron Stecker UFA Saints
Derrick Ward UFA Giants
Jason Wright UFA Browns


Or draft someone in a later round.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2008, 04:56 PM
I'd love Brandon Jacobs, but he isn't leaving. Cedric Benson sounds nice, but with how he finished the season, he'd demand more money and would want start carries. Shaun Alexander won't do us any good. Too many choices.

brakos82
12-30-2008, 04:57 PM
Michael Pittman's from Denver, let's bring him in. :thinking:

Thorn
12-30-2008, 04:59 PM
Or draft someone in a later round.

This would be my choice.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 04:59 PM
Michael Pittman's from Denver, let's bring him in. :thinking:

I actually thought about Pittman but knew people would scoff at him coming from Denver. :gun: I was thinking more about his time with Tampa and Arizona.

b0ng
12-30-2008, 05:01 PM
I'd love Brandon Jacobs, but he isn't leaving. Cedric Benson sounds nice, but with how he finished the season, he'd demand more money and would want start carries. Shaun Alexander won't do us any good. Too many choices.

Wouldn't be so sure about Jacobs. Giants might not give him what he wants since Bradshaw and Ward seem to be pretty good. I don't think Benson is any good, and I think Alexander won't even have a job on an NFL team, much less "be a running back".

LJ is interesting only if he doesn't want any real money and is willing to do what he's told. Edge is interesting for the same reasons.

Insideop
12-30-2008, 05:03 PM
What would be willing to give up in trade for either of these guys? The Chiefs aren't going to give Johnson away and the Cardinals won't give James away. So again I ask, what would y'all be willing to trade??

I would rather take my chances going the FA route:

2009 NFL Free Agents

Player Type 2008 Team
Shaun Alexander UFA Redskins
J.J. Arrington UFA Cardinals
Cedric Benson UFA Bengals
Correll Buckhalter UFA Eagles
Jesse Chatman UFA Jets
P.J. Daniels RFA Ravens
DeDe Dorsey RFA Bengals
DeShaun Foster UFA 49ers
Sam Gado UFA Rams
Brandon Jacobs UFA Giants
Rudi Johnson UFA Lions
Kevin Jones UFA Bears
LaMont Jordan UFA Patriots
Travis Minor UFA Rams
Maurice Morris UFA Seahawks
Chris Perry UFA Bengals
Michael Pittman UFA Broncos
Dominic Rhodes UFA Colts
Darren Sproles UFA Chargers
Aaron Stecker UFA Saints
Derrick Ward UFA Giants
Jason Wright UFA Browns


Or draft someone in a later round.

I'm hoping for getting one in the Draft. Shonn Greene, Iowa, 5'11" 235 lbs would be good! :shades:

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 05:09 PM
What would be willing to give up in trade for either of these guys? The Chiefs aren't going to give Johnson away and the Cardinals won't give James away. So again I ask, what would y'all be willing to trade??

I would rather take my chances going the FA route:

Or draft someone in a later round.

We wouldn't have (and shouldn't have) any interest in LJ. He's not going anywhere.

Edgerrin James is slated to make 5 million in 2009, and there are TWO running backs ahead of him on the depth chart = the Cardinals will cut him, no doubt about it... so he will be a FA.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:09 PM
This would be my choice.

I'm hoping for getting one in the Draft. Shonn Greene, Iowa, 5'11" 235 lbs would be good! :shades:

I have absolutely no problem going the way of the draft.

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 05:10 PM
Pittman has definitely proven himself as a short-yardage RB, and obviously as a Bronco he knows the system.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:12 PM
We wouldn't have (and shouldn't have) any interest in LJ. He's not going anywhere.

Edgerrin James is slated to make 5 million in 2009, and there are TWO running backs ahead of him on the depth chart = the Cardinals will cut him, no doubt about it... so he will be a FA.

Exactly....

We have a starting running back and we don't need another, especially ones making that kind of money.

My question was rhetorical for those thinking LJ or EJ was a real possibility.

Honoring Earl 34
12-30-2008, 05:13 PM
I have absolutely no problem going the way of the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=Running+Backs&type=position

Blazing Arrow
12-30-2008, 05:14 PM
Correll Buckhalter would work better with Slaton IMO.

But that is not really the Texans MO. I am thinking more Alexander, Jordan or Foster to come and die on the Texans.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:22 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=Running+Backs&type=position

Sorry Earl, I kept getting a script error. What was it that you were trying to show???

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 05:23 PM
Correll Buckhalter would work better with Slaton IMO.

But that is not really the Texans MO. I am thinking more Alexander, Jordan or Foster to come and die on the Texans.

I think it will be addressed in the draft late, or as an UDFA.

By the way - despite your attempt to tweak us with your "die on the Texans" comment - I have a serious question for you - I really, REALLY like your RB Chris Henry. I think he's wasting away on the Titans because of their good talent at the position.

What exactly are the knocks on Henry? Also - could you cut him so we could sign him? :D

Honoring Earl 34
12-30-2008, 05:26 PM
Sorry Earl, I kept getting a script error. What was it that you were trying to show???

It shows where the RBs were drafted the last 15 years or so . You can find real good back in rounds 3-5 .

HOU-TEX
12-30-2008, 05:32 PM
I could dig bringing Pittman in as long as we draft another youngin on the 2nd day. Pittman should come pretty cheap too. He was injured this year, but the dude is built like a brick shithouse.

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:36 PM
It shows where the RBs were drafted the last 15 years or so . You can find real good back in rounds 3-5 .

Right on. I may try it again in a little while. Thanks.

Brandon420tx
12-30-2008, 05:36 PM
Exactly....

We have a starting running back and we don't need another, especially ones making that kind of money.

My question was rhetorical for those thinking LJ or EJ was a real possibility.

Why does that eliminate our possibilities for EJ though? He might go out and look for a starting gig somewhere and get it, but I don't think he'll get it, if he comes here he would get a reasonable salary, it'd probably be more then Slatons, but he'll get a new deal (HUGE deal if he keeps playing like this) next year anyway, and an extra incentive to play so spectacularly.

Greene would be awesome, I wouldn't be completely opposed to Pittman in FA.

Blazing Arrow
12-30-2008, 05:37 PM
I think it will be addressed in the draft late, or as an UDFA.

By the way - despite your attempt to tweak us with your "die on the Texans" comment - I have a serious question for you - I really, REALLY like your RB Chris Henry. I think he's wasting away on the Titans because of their good talent at the position.

What exactly are the knocks on Henry? Also - could you cut him so we could sign him? :D

The Titans have a history of WR coming here to die. It is just a stigma a team gets at times.

Johnson's biggest issue right now is his head. He show boats and it has almost cost him the ball a couple times. Against Polo on the Steelers he almost had it taken from his hand just to start his TD dance. The bongo drum thing was pretty stupid. He is good and I am glad we drafted him but I think he would struggle without a power back like White. He has dropped a few easy passes on important plays that were just him not concentrating. I think more of a rookie thing then anything else. Nothing major yet.

I think it is funny that the Titans took so much heat for taking Johnson but in the end the back to back RB choices in the top rounds are our bread and butter and really the main reason we went from a 10-6 team barely squeaking out wins to the top seed in the AFC

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:38 PM
but the dude is built like a brick shithouse.

Ya think??

http://www.femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers4/Michael_Pittman.jpg

HOU-TEX
12-30-2008, 05:41 PM
Ya think??

http://www.femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers4/Michael_Pittman.jpg

LMAO! Yep, that's the beast.

The dude ain't skeered to deliver a slobber-knocker either. I suppose that might be the reason he's injured. :thinking:

Anybody got the scoop on his injuries?

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:43 PM
Why does that eliminate our possibilities for EJ though? He might go out and look for a starting gig somewhere and get it, but I don't think he'll get it, if he comes here he would get a reasonable salary, it'd probably be more then Slatons, but he'll get a new deal (HUGE deal if he keeps playing like this) next year anyway, and an extra incentive to play so spectacularly.

Greene would be awesome, I wouldn't be completely opposed to Pittman in FA.

It's not just salary requirements (although scheduled to make $5,000,000.00 in 2009). There are other costs. What would you trade for him and would Arizona want what you offer?? If you are that set on EJ, than go after him after the 2009 season when he's a FA.

Give me the third or fourth round pick -or- a cheaper FA (i.e. Michael Pittman).

Texan_Bill
12-30-2008, 05:45 PM
LMAO! Yep, that's the beast.

The dude ain't skeered to deliver a slobber-knocker either. I suppose that might be the reason he's injured. :thinking:

Anybody got the scoop on his injuries?

Neck (Stinger)... That could be from delivering a blow. :hmmm:

Brandon420tx
12-30-2008, 05:50 PM
It's not just salary requirements (although scheduled to make $5,000,000.00 in 2009). There are other costs. What would you trade for him and would Arizona want what you offer?? If you are that set on EJ, than go after him after the 2009 season when he's a FA.

Give me the third or fourth round pick -or- a cheaper FA (i.e. Michael Pittman).

You don't trade ANYTHING for him, well, maybe offer the Cards a 5th or a 6th, the Cards are more then likely getting rid of him anyway unless he has a beastly postseason. If another team trades higher picks for him so be it, but if he hits Free Agency you go after him to fill the role as Slatons breather and mentor.

We wouldn't have (and shouldn't have) any interest in LJ. He's not going anywhere.

Edgerrin James is slated to make 5 million in 2009, and there are TWO running backs ahead of him on the depth chart = the Cardinals will cut him, no doubt about it... so he will be a FA.

Thats why the Cards cut him, if they can't get a trade worked out.

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 05:51 PM
The Titans have a history of WR coming here to die. It is just a stigma a team gets at times.

Johnson's biggest issue right now is his head. He show boats and it has almost cost him the ball a couple times. Against Polo on the Steelers he almost had it taken from his hand just to start his TD dance. The bongo drum thing was pretty stupid. He is good and I am glad we drafted him but I think he would struggle without a power back like White. He has dropped a few easy passes on important plays that were just him not concentrating. I think more of a rookie thing then anything else. Nothing major yet.

I think it is funny that the Titans took so much heat for taking Johnson but in the end the back to back RB choices in the top rounds are our bread and butter and really the main reason we went from a 10-6 team barely squeaking out wins to the top seed in the AFC

You're talking about Chris Johnson I asked you about Chris Henry.

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 05:52 PM
Thats why the Cards cut him, if they can't get a trade worked out.

There's no if, though. Nobody's going to trade for James with his salary. The Cards will cut him in the off-season.

Blazing Arrow
12-30-2008, 05:58 PM
You're talking about Chris Johnson I asked you about Chris Henry.

Chris Henry is crap with no vision. Have him. Take a look at the hit that got laid on him against the Colts in the dome last season. Dude is lucky to be alive. If he does not have a hole right in front of him he goes does down on the first hit.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2008, 06:07 PM
Neck (Stinger)... That could be from delivering a blow. :hmmm:

Ah, that could definitely be from knockin slobber.

DiehardChris
12-30-2008, 06:24 PM
Chris Henry is crap with no vision. Have him. Take a look at the hit that got laid on him against the Colts in the dome last season. Dude is lucky to be alive. If he does not have a hole right in front of him he goes does down on the first hit.

Damn, well he MURDERED us in 2007 - but I guess that's more of a reflection of our defense at the time than of Henry.

mussop
12-30-2008, 07:21 PM
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.

Well since you put it that way!

Blazing Arrow
12-30-2008, 07:48 PM
Damn, well he MURDERED us in 2007 - but I guess that's more of a reflection of our defense at the time than of Henry.

This vid should explain it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srUo2MDngJE

mexican_texan
01-02-2009, 02:07 PM
EDGERRIN REITERATES HIS DESIRE TO LEAVE ARIZONA
Posted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2009, 9:58 a.m.

In November, we reported that Cardinals running back Edgerrin James had asked to be released, after he plunged to No. 3 on the depth chart.

James now is making it even more clear that, whenever the Cardinalsí season ends, his career in Arizona will end, too.

ďI think the feeling is mutual,Ē James said, according to the Arizona Republic. ĒItís not something Iím going to contest.Ē

James gave a more pointed quote to ESPNís Bob Holtzman.

ďI canít go through this again,Ē James said. ďI didnít come here to block. Iím not an offensive lineman.Ē

In response, ESPNís Tim Hasselbeck said that James will start in the playoff game against the Falcons, and that James will play more than rookie Tim Hightower, who gradually evolved into the starter.

But coach Ken Whisenhunt has been more circumspect, remaining vague as to Jamesí role in the playoff game against the Falcons. James didnít start in Week Seventeen, but he turned 14 carries against the Seahawks into 100 yards.

Still, it was a meaningless game. The prior week, James got only four carries. The week before, he got none. The week before that? Three. Before that, none.

In all, James carried the ball 133 times for 514 yards in 2008. He lost his job as a starter after seven games, and hasnít started since.
...

ChampionTexan
01-02-2009, 03:04 PM
...

James will be 31 years old when the 2009 season starts, and has averaged over 340 touches per year in his 10 year NFL career. He's vocally unhappy about a season where he averaged a little over 11 touches per game (or about the same amount of touches I would hope the Texans are looking to give the guy who spells Slaton). Throw in the fact that one of the reasons Hightower took over the job is because James was not a good goal-line guy, and I'm thinking the Texans signing him is about the worst match of need to talent I could imagine.

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Bring him in. He'll definitely get at least 10 carries a game from us. Not sure if that's what he wants (maybe more?).

texanhead08
01-02-2009, 05:01 PM
Edge has Ahman Green part II written all over him. He has been horrible since he went to the Cards and it was a matter of time before he got benched. There is way too much tread on his tires I say we go with a rookie and take our chances.

Polo
01-02-2009, 05:25 PM
I'd rather just take a guy in the 3rd or fourth that will be content in a back-up role...

And I still don't think we necessarily need a "bruiser" type back....

Some of the smaller type backs are the best ones at picking up short yardage...
I just think we need someone who is solidly built, but they don't necessarily have to be a 230 lb bull dozer...

BigBull17
01-05-2009, 08:17 AM
The names being thrown about, Edge, LJ, and ...Bensen? No thanks. One is a Slap-a-hoe Indian, one hasnt done anything since he left Indy, and the other is a 240lb slow footed finesse back.