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keyser
12-28-2008, 07:37 PM
Now that we're in the offseason, we need to decide about some free agents. It's also time to try to possibly lock up (or release with minimal penalty) those who only have one year left. Going off of the data on inthebullseye.com (http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2009.html), here's how I see them.

Unrestricted Free Agents:
Brown, C.C.
Bruener, Mark
Faggins, Demarcus
Ferguson, Nick
Kalu, N.D.
Pittman, Bryan
Robinson, Dunta
White, Chris
Zgonina, Jeff
Obviously, Dunta is the big name here. He's the only one of these I would push hard to get back, but even that will depend on how much it would cost to keep him. Generally, I think that CBs are some of the most overpriced players for their production, so I expect him to command a very large pricetag.
Most of the others would be OK to bring back, but only if at near-minimum levels; they don't justify large contracts. I would prefer to see Brown and Faggins gone, though, mainly because I think they are both just good enough that they could end up taking a roster spot/starting spot from someone who is just as good (or maybe even better) now, and has better long-term potential.

Restricted Free Agents:
Anderson, David
Butler, Rashad
Daniels, Owen
Dreesen, Joel
Jackson, Scott
McClover, Stanley
I hope they lock up Daniels long-term, and I'd like to see this done sooner, rather than later. I want to see both Dreesen and Anderson around longer, also, but I'd be OK with shorter-term contracts for them. Butler I haven't heard much about, but we should probably keep him for OL depth. I've forgotten who Jackson and McClover are, which means I don't much care what happens with their contracts.

Those with contracts ending after 2009:
Greenwood, Morlon
Pitts, Chester
Demps, Will
Walter, Kevin
Rosenfels, Sage
Brown, Kris
Brown, Chris
Thompson, Chuan
Ryans, Demeco
Turk, Matt
Salaam, Ephraim
Bulman, Tim
Robinson, Deljuan
Greenwood, especially with his high base salary, should be cut. I think it would be wise to lock Walter and Ryans into longer-term contracts now. With one more year like this one, I think Walter's salary demands will go way up. For Ryans, I don't want to see him test free-agency. I wouldn't mind seeing Bulman and Robinson, who have both shown good potential, be locked up for longer if it can be done at very cheap prices. Pitts I'm so-so on; I don't want him to leave, but I don't know that we need to renegotiate just yet, especially since I don't think he'll be super-cheap. For the others, I'd rather just see them play out their year, and decide later.

So, net result: I want to see us get Owen Daniels, Kevin Walter, and Demeco Ryans locked up longer-term. Depending on the price tag, keep Dunta Robinson around, also. Give Dreesen and Anderson contracts to tie them up for a few years at what should be cheaper prices (or, at least, meet the RFA limits). Cut Greenwood. For all the rest, I'd say keep them only if it is done particularly cheaply.

DiehardChris
12-28-2008, 07:41 PM
Slaton is going to want a new contract this off-season. Book it. He'll either get a new deal, or he'll hold out.

misterbahamas
12-28-2008, 07:52 PM
He just signed his rookie contract before the season. There's not even a remote chance of that happening. Otherwise, DeMeco Ryans would have had a new contract after he won Defensive Rookie of the Year.

DiehardChris
12-28-2008, 07:56 PM
He just signed his rookie contract before the season. There's not even a remote chance of that happening.

Sincerely,

Ryan Grant

devo-x
12-28-2008, 07:57 PM
I would add Kris Brown to the list of players to keep :)

Maddict5
12-28-2008, 08:04 PM
Sincerely,

Ryan Grant

and thats about the only example there is and his situation was slightly different in that he wasnt in the first yr of his rookie contract.. and hadnt signed any contract with the packers previously (as he was traded from the giants). plus slaton is cheap but a 3rd rd picks contract is alot better than an udfa's contract

i could mention a load of other cheap rbs who outperformed their contracts but had to sit on them for another yr or 2. it just doesnt happen that teams let their players renegotiate a yr after signing a contract with them

he'll probably sign a new contract... after next season ends at the earliest

DiehardChris
12-28-2008, 08:17 PM
I hope you're right. He sure has a ton more leverage than Grant did, as Grant only had half a good season before this year... whereas Slaton is the best rookie, and lead the AFC in total yards from scrimmage.

I hope I'm wrong. I'm just pretty cynical when it comes to player contracts/holdouts and such.

Hopefully Eric Winston will tell him "hey, they'll take care of you when you prove it's not just a one-year wonder." Daniels will get a new deal too... so at least he can look around the locker room and know that he'll be taken care of if he's patient.

Jackie Chiles
12-28-2008, 08:35 PM
Portis had a better rookie year than Slaton and he waited until year two before raising a stink about his contract. I expect we will want to see Steve do it again and then pay him accordingly.

infantrycak
12-28-2008, 08:38 PM
I hope you're right. He sure has a ton more leverage than Grant did, as Grant only had half a good season before this year... whereas Slaton is the best rookie, and lead the AFC in total yards from scrimmage.

I hope I'm wrong. I'm just pretty cynical when it comes to player contracts/holdouts and such.

Hopefully Eric Winston will tell him "hey, they'll take care of you when you prove it's not just a one-year wonder." Daniels will get a new deal too... so at least he can look around the locker room and know that he'll be taken care of if he's patient.

Slaton isn't getting a new contract. First, having some folks perform on rookie contracts is key to a healthy cap. Second, it would be a horrible example and other players would be resentful. Demeco has one year left and played with a cap hit of $1.3 mil. OD is up and played with a cap hit of 600K. Pretty standard in the league to run at least to one year before the contract is up. Slaton is nice, but he isn't a dominant back that the Texans need or should be giving in to if he made a silly decision to get arrogant at this point.

DiehardChris
12-28-2008, 08:45 PM
Slaton isn't getting a new contract. First, having some folks perform on rookie contracts is key to a healthy cap. Second, it would be a horrible example and other players would be resentful. Demeco has one year left and played with a cap hit of $1.3 mil. OD is up and played with a cap hit of 600K. Pretty standard in the league to run at least to one year before the contract is up. Slaton is nice, but he isn't a dominant back that the Texans need or should be giving in to if he made a silly decision to get arrogant at this point.

I get all that. I just think Slaton might be the guy to demand a bigger contract. OD and DeMeco don't play as sexy a position as Slaton, and while Slaton may not be dominant - he's dominant by Texans standards.... and he did lead the AFC in total yards from scrimmage.

Also - Slaton seems kind of aloof to me. Not in a bad way - but he's always had the attitude that nothing is too big for him, even as a rookie, which is GREAT on the field... but he was also accused of Cadillacing it his last year at WVU to keep fresh for his NFL prospects. I don't know if that's true or not - but it's been said about him.

All I'm saying is - I'm afraid he will ask for a new contract, and I think he might. I want you guys to be right, though. I'm not dogging Steve, believe me. I love the guy.

infantrycak
12-28-2008, 08:57 PM
I get all that. I just think Slaton might be the guy to demand a bigger contract. OD and DeMeco don't play as sexy a position as Slaton, and while Slaton may not be dominant - he's dominant by Texans standards.... and he did lead the AFC in total yards from scrimmage.

Also - Slaton seems kind of aloof to me. Not in a bad way - but he's always had the attitude that nothing is too big for him, even as a rookie, which is GREAT on the field... but he was also accused of Cadillacing it his last year at WVU to keep fresh for his NFL prospects. I don't know if that's true or not - but it's been said about him.

All I'm saying is - I'm afraid he will ask for a new contract, and I think he might. I want you guys to be right, though. I'm not dogging Steve, believe me. I love the guy.

Here is the last piece to the equation. He is under contract for three more years. He has jack for leverage. While RBs are high profile he isn't even up to OD's standard yet on NFL significance and he can't afford sitting out. He ain't Larry Johnson coming off back to back 1800 yd seasons. I like the kid and all but if he gets mouthy about it, put the phone down and let him sit on the couch rather than soak in the cheers in the endzone. Won't happen--he'll want the endzone.

DiehardChris
12-28-2008, 08:59 PM
Here is the last piece to the equation. He is under contract for three more years. He has jack for leverage. While RBs are high profile he isn't even up to OD's standard yet on NFL significance and he can't afford sitting out. He ain't Larry Johnson coming off back to back 1800 yd seasons. I like the kid and all but if he gets mouthy about it, put the phone down and let him sit on the couch rather than soak in the cheers in the endzone. Won't happen--he'll want the endzone.

I agree with you. If he DOES ask/demand - I say let him chill and get over it, rather than cave. Our FO seems like the type that "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" if you know what I mean.

Also contract wise, you're right about leverage. When I brought up leverage, I was specifically talking about his on-field numbers.

I'm probably just worrying about nothing.

In fact - you guys are doing a lot to allay my fears.

threetoedpete
12-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Slaton is going to want a new contract this off-season. Book it. He'll either get a new deal, or he'll hold out.

Then he can sit on the bench and watch. And obviously you weren't or you wouldn't have posted this. He missed a lot of assignments with his pass blocking and blitz pick up....He can color himself lucky if they don't take a front line back on the second day or free agency and stick him back to third down back and take away touches from him. He needs to keep his mouth shut and be the first one ready to go back to work this off season.

Bob McNair has never that I know of cheated one of these guys. Slaton is a long way from the thirty million dollar contract with the ten million guaranteed.

Second Honeymoon
12-28-2008, 09:47 PM
Here is the last piece to the equation. He is under contract for three more years. He has jack for leverage. While RBs are high profile he isn't even up to OD's standard yet on NFL significance and he can't afford sitting out. He ain't Larry Johnson coming off back to back 1800 yd seasons. I like the kid and all but if he gets mouthy about it, put the phone down and let him sit on the couch rather than soak in the cheers in the endzone. Won't happen--he'll want the endzone.

hopefully the Texans learned from the debacle that was resigning Domanick Davis nearly 2 years before we needed to. We all know how that worked out for us. If Slaton has a great 2009, then he can maybe hold out for leverage in 2010 if he doesn't have a new deal by then. To give him a new deal prior to that somewhat diminishes the reward of drafting good players late in the draft. Did early selections like Carr give us money back for being bad players picked early? Quite the contrary. You play your contract out and if you have a problem with it, don't sign the contract in the first place.

This 'touchy feely' contract stuff is why we are in the predicament we are currently in as Texans fans...we should remember the contractural errors we made with DC and Domanick in order to be the 'nice guy'. Screw that. He will get paid sometime in mid to late 2010 if he just keeps running the ball well the next season and a half. Big money.

wolf123
12-28-2008, 10:59 PM
Yea no way slaton asks for a new contract.

Norg
12-28-2008, 11:46 PM
i wouldnt mind seeing David anderson gone

Andre davis should deff get the notch above him

I dont want dressen gone either the Dressen+OD combo we had going today was pretty sweet

what are we going to do with Sagey now that we got Nall willl Kubes gone into the season with 3 QB hes won some games for us and lost some ..frankily i dont want to see him go after all the heatache hes given me LOL

and JJ o JJ is days are pretty much sealed IMO not unless we want to spend the time coaching him up

DocBar
12-29-2008, 12:50 AM
Slaton is going to want a new contract this off-season. Book it. He'll either get a new deal, or he'll hold out.

Slaton hasn't said or done a thing that warrants this. He's been pretty professional and talked mostly about what he needs to improve on as a player. I think he'll come in next year and act like he still has a lot to learn. He proved that today. I see a sophomore slump in his future. Not sure why, but I feel it.
As far as the rest of this thread, I hope we keep DROB. I don't think we mortage the ranch to keep him, but definitely respect his status on the team.
I would like to see OD locked up long term. I would also lock up Ryans( THINK about mortgaging the ranch, but DON'T do it), Pitts, KWALT, KB, Turk, Bulman and DelJaun if possible. Bulman and DelJaun were as big of factors as TJ and AO this year. Get 'em to sign marginal contracts for a bit more than minimum. As I've said before, the only players I would break the bank for are AJ and MW. I'm leaning that way on Schaub, also. He's looking a lot more gooder.

Goatcheese
12-29-2008, 12:56 AM
Slaton hasn't said or done a thing that warrants this. He's been pretty professional and talked mostly about what he needs to improve on as a player. I think he'll come in next year and act like he still has a lot to learn. He proved that today. I see a sophomore slump in his future. Not sure why, but I feel it.
As far as the rest of this thread, I hope we keep DROB. I don't think we mortage the ranch to keep him, but definitely respect his status on the team.
I would like to see OD locked up long term. I would also lock up Ryans( THINK about mortgaging the ranch, but DON'T do it), Pitts, KWALT, KB, Turk, Bulman and DelJaun if possible. Bulman and DelJaun were as big of factors as TJ and AO this year. Get 'em to sign marginal contracts for a bit more than minimum. As I've said before, the only players I would break the bank for are AJ and MW. I'm leaning that way on Schaub, also. He's looking a lot more gooder.

Schaub has looked more gooder since his first two, horrible, starts this season. He's one of the better QBs in the league, and IMO one of the top priorities for this offseason should be to improve his protection, so he stays healthy.

DocBar
12-29-2008, 12:59 AM
Slaton is going to want a new contract this off-season. Book it. He'll either get a new deal, or he'll hold out.

Schaub has looked more gooder since his first two, horrible, starts this season. He's one of the better QBs in the league, and IMO one of the top priorities for this offseason should be to improve his protection, so he stays healthy. Only Texans can say "more gooder" and get away with it!!!! BTW, I agree. AFTER we fix the D.

CT CSTM
12-29-2008, 08:48 AM
Otherwise, DeMeco Ryans would have had a new contract after he won Defensive Rookie of the Year.


He asked for another contract at that time and they told him '"No",,,

Kaiser Toro
12-29-2008, 09:40 AM
Then he can sit on the bench and watch. And obviously you weren't or you wouldn't have posted this. He missed a lot of assignments with his pass blocking and blitz pick up....He can color himself lucky if they don't take a front line back on the second day or free agency and stick him back to third down back and take away touches from him. He needs to keep his mouth shut and be the first one ready to go back to work this off season.

Bob McNair has never that I know of cheated one of these guys. Slaton is a long way from the thirty million dollar contract with the ten million guaranteed.

And he has picked up a fair share of blitzes. In fact, that has been my most surprising things about Slaton. I doubt Gibbs and Kubiak hand over the keys without him passing the blocking litmus test and him yapping his mouth and I doubt it has been an issue as your post suggests.

8/17/2008
Slaton picked up a blitz late in the third quarter, allowing quarterback Sage Rosenfels to connect with wide receiver David Anderson on a 43-yard pass.

“He’s a much better player this week than he was last week,” Kubiak said. “He was better in protections. There are still some mistakes that concern you the closer you get to the season, but it’s obvious that he can be a big help to us offensively.”

On the ground, Slaton looked more comfortable in the zone scheme, making single-cut runs and hitting holes instead of zigzagging around in the backfield like he did against Denver. He led the team with 13 carries for 57 yards rushing, and Kubiak would like to see Slaton get reps with the first unit when the team takes on Dallas.

“I think he’s earned a right to get some reps with that first group,” Kubiak said.


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4519

barrett
12-30-2008, 03:36 AM
Don't forget guys, good football teams have to rely fairly heavily on the guys they can afford to pay and coach up younger cheaper guys to fill the holes. We're going to loose some guys that we can't afford to pay to their worth. Maybe not this year but soon. I think the idea here is lock up the guys that are key guys and play the field on the others.

Guys like Deljuan or Dreesen, really important role players but not "BUILD A TEAM AROUND ME" guys can often slip through the cracks to poorer teams that will pay out to improve. However I have great, GREAT faith in Rick Smith and I wouldn't be surprised if we are able to maintain a great deal of consistency over the coming years!

Go Texans.

PHAROAH
12-30-2008, 03:41 AM
I say let Daunte Robinson walk and bring in a bigger faster Corner like Chris Gamble or Nnamdi A. from Oakland and I think that this will depend on who is the new Defensive Coordinator and the scheme we will run. I hope they we look at Greg Williams for Defensive Coordinator.

painekiller
12-30-2008, 04:24 AM
Should rember to read whole threads before committing on a commit from 6 hours ago.

nunusguy
12-30-2008, 07:53 AM
"Robinson wants a contract that will pay him what the top cornerbacks in the league receive."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6186246.html
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That's what Chron reporter Megan Manfull says. But is he worth it ? I just don't see it, but I have no idea if the Texans can work a deal with him and his agent ? Especially if there's another team(s) that interested in him, is a
contender, and is in a geographic location where D-Rob would feel comfortable about a relocation.
I dunno, when's the FA date when players are free to "officially" begin communicating and negotiating with other teams ?

HJam72
12-30-2008, 08:27 AM
I just had an ugly premonition regarding Pacman Jones getting canned and Jerry Jones throwing money at D-Rob.

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2008, 08:44 AM
"Robinson wants a contract that will pay him what the top cornerbacks in the league receive."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6186246.html
************************************************** *
That's what Chron reporter Megan Manfull says. But is he worth it ? I just don't see it, but I have no idea if the Texans can work a deal with him and his agent ? Especially if there's another team(s) that interested in him, is a
contender, and is in a geographic location where D-Rob would feel comfortable about a relocation.
I dunno, when's the FA date when players are free to "officially" begin communicating and negotiating with other teams ?

The whole article

For the first time in his career, Dunta Robinson cleaned out his locker at Reliant Stadium and was unsure if he would return to it.

As the first time free agent loaded up the contents of his locker, he made it clear he wasn’t ready to say goodbye.

“There’s no doubt about it,” said Robinson, 26, a first-round pick in 2004. “I want to be a Texan. I was drafted here, and I want to finish my career here. It’s going to be a hard-fought battle to get what I think I deserve. We’ll see what happens.”

Robinson wants a contract that will pay him what the top cornerbacks in the league receive. But he realizes it won’t be easy because he is coming off a major injury. Even though he returned midway through this season after a full year of rehabilitation, he wasn’t able to return to full strength.

“Did I play at the level that I was playing at in 2007?” Robinson said. “Of course not. I missed a lot of time, I missed a lot of practice time and I wasn’t 100 percent. But did I show enough improvement to say, ‘OK, give this guy an offseason and he should be back to his normal self in 2009?’ Yeah, I showed that.”

The coaches have credited him for being a major reason for the improvement on defense. With Robinson back on the field, the Texans went 7-4. With him in the starting lineup, they went 5-1.

Robinson met with coach Gary Kubiak before leaving the stadium Monday, and Kubiak made it clear he wants Robinson back.

“I think the world of him as a player, and I understand the business,” Kubiak said.

In addition to a long-term deal, the Texans have the option to place a franchise tag on Robinson, which would mean he would be under contract for just one year.

“I wouldn’t be happy about it,” Robinson said. “You want something long-term.”


He has cleaned out his locker and has fired the first plead/salvo. He has nothing left to leverage. I have no doubt he will be a Texan next year unless his ego and his agent take a short cut to stupid.

Errant Hothy
12-30-2008, 08:54 AM
"Robinson wants a contract that will pay him what the top cornerbacks in the league receive."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6186246.html
************************************************** *
That's what Chron reporter Megan Manfull says. But is he worth it ? I just don't see it, but I have no idea if the Texans can work a deal with him and his agent ? Especially if there's another team(s) that interested in him, is a
contender, and is in a geographic location where D-Rob would feel comfortable about a relocation.
I dunno, when's the FA date when players are free to "officially" begin communicating and negotiating with other teams ?

He's is not worth a contract that pays him that much.

I had more, but the above is all there really is too it. I hope he comes back, but if he's after Nate Clements money then he won't be back. And Rick Smith will have made the right descision by letting him walk.

Thorn
12-30-2008, 09:01 AM
Daunte is our best corner, but he's not one of the best CBs in the league. However, he is a leader on our defense and inspires others around him to play better. I think we'll see him back.

euro-Texan
12-30-2008, 09:17 AM
I would throw the franchise tag on him for one year. Not one person expected him to come back as quickly as he did. I'm sure with a full off season he will either be back to his old self or will understand that he isn't going to get the big bucks from anyone. I'm just saying, I sure would hate to see him playing like the old D-rob for Indy or Jax.

ObsiWan
12-30-2008, 09:55 AM
Now that we're in the offseason, we need to decide about some free agents. It's also time to try to possibly lock up (or release with minimal penalty) those who only have one year left. Going off of the data on inthebullseye.com (http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2009.html), here's how I see them.

Unrestricted Free Agents:
Brown, C.C.
Bruener, Mark
Faggins, Demarcus
Ferguson, Nick
Kalu, N.D.
Pittman, Bryan
Robinson, Dunta
White, Chris
Zgonina, Jeff
Obviously, Dunta is the big name here. He's the only one of these I would push hard to get back, but even that will depend on how much it would cost to keep him. Generally, I think that CBs are some of the most overpriced players for their production, so I expect him to command a very large pricetag.
Most of the others would be OK to bring back, but only if at near-minimum levels; they don't justify large contracts. I would prefer to see Brown and Faggins gone, though, mainly because I think they are both just good enough that they could end up taking a roster spot/starting spot from someone who is just as good (or maybe even better) now, and has better long-term potential.



Kalu, Bruener, and Zgonina are headed off to retirement land. In fact, Kalu and Bruener are already gone.

Ferguson should be brought back; at a reasonable salary of course.
If D-Rob gets an appropriate raise that's structured for the good of the overall team (see Andre Johnson's last contract) then he should definitely be brought back. I used to be in the "re-sign D-Rob at all costs camp" but not so much any more. Still like the guy but if its a choice between keeping him and having enough cap space to make a serious run at Asomugha, I'm going with Asomugha.

C.C.Brown, Faggins, and the others are welcome to try to land somewhere else if they actually think they are gonna "get paid".

Mari-OWNED!
12-30-2008, 10:15 AM
bring in a bigger faster Corner like Chris Gamble or Nnamdi A. from Oakland

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2784

We cannot bring in Gamble, he signed a six-year $53 million contract extension with the Panthers.

I'm all for getting Nnamdi Asomugha though. I'd even be willing to give Oakland a 1st and a 3rd for him.

ObsiWan
12-30-2008, 10:28 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2784

We cannot bring in Gamble, he signed a six-year $53 million contract extension with the Panthers.

I'm all for getting Nnamdi Asomugha though. I'd even be willing to give Oakland a 1st and a 3rd for him.

Looks like other teams are already sniffing around for this guy...
(this was also from RotoWorld.com (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL))

The New Orleans Times-Picayune fully expects the Saints to show interest in Nnamdi Asomugha if he becomes available in free agency.

However, the chances of that happening are slim to none. Raiders owner Al Davis went the extra mile with Asomugha in 2008, giving him the exclusive franchise tender when no other teams used it. He'll likely do the same this year. Prying Asomugha away from Oakland would take numerous draft picks


I found this last paragraph from this New Orleans sportspage (http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/12/new_orleans_saints_coach_sean_2.html) quite interesting...
Among some of the intriguing names on the next tier of potential defensive free agents are Philadelphia safety Brian Dawkins, Chicago safety Mike Brown, St. Louis safety Oshiomogho Atogwe, Houston cornerback Dunta Robinson, Baltimore linebacker/end Terrell Suggs and Arizona linebacker Karlos Dansby.

MannyFresh
12-30-2008, 10:38 AM
The whole article



He has cleaned out his locker and has fired the first plead/salvo. He has nothing left to leverage. I have no doubt he will be a Texan next year unless his ego and his agent take a short cut to stupid.


Give him a contract but with incentives. He wants want the upper echelon makes then make him work for it.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2008, 10:46 AM
As much as he says he wouldn't like it, I think we should tag him for a year. Sure, the tag's probably more than what he's presently worth, but it'll give the team a full season to evaluate him. I just don't think he did enough this season to justify top CB pay.

I'm giddy as hell he made it back this year and actually finished the season, but just can't see him getting paid that much jack, YET.

nero THE zero
12-30-2008, 10:50 AM
As much as he says he wouldn't like it, I think we should tag him for a year. Sure, the tag's probably more than what he's presently worth, but it'll give the team a full season to evaluate him. I just don't think he did enough this season to justify top CB pay.

If you tag him he gets an average of the top 5 player salaries at his position - that is "top CB pay."

But, I agree. Tag him, give him a hand in selecting the new DC, and tell him if he returns to old form he will be rewarded accordingly.

HOU-TEX
12-30-2008, 10:54 AM
If you tag him he gets an average of the top 5 player salaries at his position - that is "top CB pay."

But, I agree. Tag him, give him a hand in selecting the new DC, and tell him if he returns to old form he will be rewarded accordingly.

I know. That's why I said it was probably more than what he's presently worth.

One year's top CB pay is better than multiple years of top CB pay. If it works out....pay the man.

threetoedpete
12-30-2008, 11:10 AM
And he has picked up a fair share of blitzes. In fact, that has been my most surprising things about Slaton. I doubt Gibbs and Kubiak hand over the keys without him passing the blocking litmus test and him yapping his mouth and I doubt it has been an issue as your post suggests.

8/17/2008


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4519

Com'on KT. His pass blocking and blitz recocnition has been horrible. Just because I'm not banging the kid.....posting the clock times on it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Pick any of the last three games you wish. He blocked like the rookie he is. Lost and with a lot of excuse me Matt "look out" blocks. Take the homer glasses off and watch the games. And you're backing up something with what some one else saw in preseason ? LOL.


Ferguson should be brought back; at a reasonable salary of course.

If they take the Safety early, they'll have a choice of youth or Fergeson in the last cuts of August. I wouldn't get use to Fergeson being here next year.

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2008, 11:32 AM
Com'on KT. His pass blocking and blitz recocnition has been horrible. Just because I'm not banging the kid.....posting the clock times on it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Pick any of the last three games you wish. He blocked like the rookie he is. Lost and with a lot of excuse me Matt "look out" blocks. Take the homer glasses off and watch the games. And you're backing up something with what some one else saw in preseason ? LOL.

Kubiak does a pretty good job of summing my thoughts up, and obviously very far from yours, since his actions are not consistent with your dramatic observation over the course of the year.

(on RB Steve Slaton) “I was disappointed with Steve early in the game. He had way too many mistakes early in the game, and that’s not like him. Protections, routes, he just wasn’t ready to go from that standpoint. But the other kid (RB Ryan Moats) came in and played well and got Steve’s attention, and then Steve played huge the last quarter of the football game. He’s learned a lot. He started 15 football games. For a rookie, that’s a lot of football games to start and he’s grown up and should only get better. Today, he did some great things, but hopefully he learned from this start, too.”

infantrycak
12-30-2008, 11:38 AM
"Robinson wants a contract that will pay him what the top cornerbacks in the league receive."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6186246.html
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That's what Chron reporter Megan Manfull says. But is he worth it ? I just don't see it, but I have no idea if the Texans can work a deal with him and his agent ? Especially if there's another team(s) that interested in him, is a
contender, and is in a geographic location where D-Rob would feel comfortable about a relocation.
I dunno, when's the FA date when players are free to "officially" begin communicating and negotiating with other teams ?

First off--public service announcement--it is DUNTA, not Daunte or any other variation.

From listening to Dunta his morning on 610 am I think Megan is full of it. By his own words he is at 90% right now and played this year knowing he had to get on the field to get a new contract at all, not a top dollar one. There wasn't a peep of attitude of getting Nate Clements money or anything similar. I expect something north of Jacques Reeves but nothing bank breaking.

disaacks3
12-30-2008, 11:43 AM
He's is not worth a contract that pays him that much.

I had more, but the above is all there really is too it. I hope he comes back, but if he's after Nate Clements money then he won't be back. And Rick Smith will have made the right descision by letting him walk.

Daunte is our best corner, but he's not one of the best CBs in the league. However, he is a leader on our defense and inspires others around him to play better. I think we'll see him back.

DR is a great guy and an awesome "presence" in our Defense. Even with all of that, he's never been Top-5 talent-wise in coverage, and even less so coming off the rehab. I can't see the Texans wasting a Franchise Tag on him at this point.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2784

We cannot bring in Gamble, he signed a six-year $53 million contract extension with the Panthers.

I'm all for getting Nnamdi Asomugha though. I'd even be willing to give Oakland a 1st and a 3rd for him. That kid is so good right now, he's scary. I'd be willing to give up a LOT to get him, I'm just not sure about a 1st & 3rd this year.

Brandon420tx
12-30-2008, 12:47 PM
First off--public service announcement--it is DUNTA, not Daunte or any other variation.

From listening to Dunta his morning on 610 am I think Megan is full of it. By his own words he is at 90% right now and played this year knowing he had to get on the field to get a new contract at all, not a top dollar one. There wasn't a peep of attitude of getting Nate Clements money or anything similar. I expect something north of Jacques Reeves but nothing bank breaking.

This, definately this.

nunusguy
12-30-2008, 01:03 PM
First off--public service announcement--it is DUNTA, not Daunte or any other variation.

From listening to Dunta his morning on 610 am I think Megan is full of it. By his own words he is at 90% right now and played this year knowing he had to get on the field to get a new contract at all, not a top dollar one. There wasn't a peep of attitude of getting Nate Clements money or anything similar. I expect something north of Jacques Reeves but nothing bank breaking.
OK, appreciate the clarification.
Actually there was too much going on this morning as I was listening to OD & Dressen on 1560 while driving to W-Foods for bagels & yogart and had no idea D-Rob was live on the competing station ?
But "north of Jacques Reeves but nothing bank breaking", is music to this Texans fan's ears 'cause if it's really how D-Rob feels I'm confidant that he'll be right here in Houston for a long-time.

barrett
12-30-2008, 02:09 PM
I think it makes the most sense to franchise Dunta for 2009. It gives him that year to play up to his potential and prove he's back. He certainly didn't play that well in his return. But he does have intangibles. The franchise tag is perfect for a situation like this. Similar to Haynesworth's situation last year. Here's a guy who was really inconsistent and they franchise him to see if he can be consistent two years in a row... he does. he should be the leauge MVP. So he gets paid.

Dunta's issue isn't inconsistency, it's injury. But the tag functions as a probation to see if a player is worth the big payday. I fully expect him to be at 100% next year and can be judged on his play more accurately.