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Wolf
12-25-2008, 10:51 PM
http://www.post-trib.com/sports/1349180,bearnote.article

BY Brad Biggs
CHICAGO?-- Andre Johnson did a disappearing act near the end of Houston's loss Sunday at Oakland but the Bears are going to see plenty of the Pro Bowl wide receiver come Sunday.

Turns out, coach Gary Kubiak just wanted to get a little more of a look at Jacoby Jones, so Johnson, who struggled against the Raiders' talented cover corners Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson, was relegated to the sideline late in the game.

After making just two catches for 19 yards, he's primed for a big finale in what has been an impressive offensive season for the Texans. With a career-high 105 receptions, Andre Johnson trails New England's Wes Welker by four catches. He leads the league with 1,427 yards, also a career high, and to put that in perspective, Bears' wide receivers Devin Hester, Rashied Davis, Brandon Lloyd and Marty Booker have combined for 1,531 yards.

Norg
12-25-2008, 11:45 PM
i guess Charles Tillman will be on him all day all the rest of the CB are rookies

powerfuldragon
12-26-2008, 12:55 AM
..."houston's johnson"...


pardon my immaturity.

mexican_texan
12-26-2008, 01:18 AM
..."houston's johnson"...


pardon my immaturity.
Gotta admit, first thing that came to my mind.

RipTraxx
12-26-2008, 03:58 AM
FYI....................


Houston is 1-6 when dre doesn't do 70 yards or better...


So the key is..get him the ball EARLY and OFTEN!

:splits:

SheTexan
12-26-2008, 05:01 AM
Sorry, but, I'd like to know why the HELL Oakland was not a BIG GAME??! Winning our last two would have given us a winning season, plus, a HUGE emotional boost for players and fans going into the off season. Unless AJ has an injury no one knows about, WHY did GK decide to mentally bench him for the Raider game? I just don't understand GK! A fierce competitor goes out to WIN any game, any way possible. You have the best WR in the NFL just coming off one of the best games of his career, and you decide to reward him by essentially taking him OUT of the next game, which was just as important if you're playing for a winning season.

I will NEVER claim to understand the game of football like some of you GUYS, BUT, I'm not stupid either. I'm just old fashioned I guess. Give me some good old smashmouth, hard nosed, ass kicking games anyday over the crap we saw in Oakland! Stay competitive until the END, never give up even when you're down, that's the way I was raised! If GK wants to "evaluate" his players, let him do it during the off season. Hell, he should know by now JJ is a heart attack just waiting to happen! Just ask ANY fan who is watching the guy any time he steps out on the field! Allow your best players to SHINE and make damn sure the weaker one's (JJ) is paying close attention. JMO!

Sorry, just had to vent a little. It's the middle of the night, can't sleep, waiting patiently for 5am so I can hit the after Christmas sales, and it's raining outside!!:)

Andrew6
12-26-2008, 05:09 AM
the only way I could see them letting raiders beat them was to keep Oakland as the 3rd best team in their division. In doing that, that allows Houston to play Oakland AGAIN next year. maybe they're already preparing for next year and wanted Oakland to be the team they play. . . :thinking: (Putting on Tin-foil helmet)

mexican_texan
12-26-2008, 10:02 AM
Sorry, but, I'd like to know why the HELL Oakland was not a BIG GAME??! Winning our last two would have given us a winning season, plus, a HUGE emotional boost for players and fans going into the off season. Unless AJ has an injury no one knows about, WHY did GK decide to mentally bench him for the Raider game? I just don't understand GK! A fierce competitor goes out to WIN any game, any way possible. You have the best WR in the NFL just coming off one of the best games of his career, and you decide to reward him by essentially taking him OUT of the next game, which was just as important if you're playing for a winning season.

I will NEVER claim to understand the game of football like some of you GUYS, BUT, I'm not stupid either. I'm just old fashioned I guess. Give me some good old smashmouth, hard nosed, ass kicking games anyday over the crap we saw in Oakland! Stay competitive until the END, never give up even when you're down, that's the way I was raised! If GK wants to "evaluate" his players, let him do it during the off season. Hell, he should know by now JJ is a heart attack just waiting to happen! Just ask ANY fan who is watching the guy any time he steps out on the field! Allow your best players to SHINE and make damn sure the weaker one's (JJ) is paying close attention. JMO!

Sorry, just had to vent a little. It's the middle of the night, can't sleep, waiting patiently for 5am so I can hit the after Christmas sales, and it's raining outside!!:)
It's very hard to throw against Nnamdi Asomugha, who was covering AJ.

Thorn
12-26-2008, 10:12 AM
I don't care who we are playing Sunday, I want them to win. I DO NOT want another losing season.

ObsiWan
12-26-2008, 10:27 AM
Sorry, but, I'd like to know why the HELL Oakland was not a BIG GAME??! Winning our last two would have given us a winning season, plus, a HUGE emotional boost for players and fans going into the off season. Unless AJ has an injury no one knows about, WHY did GK decide to mentally bench him for the Raider game? I just don't understand GK! A fierce competitor goes out to WIN any game, any way possible. You have the best WR in the NFL just coming off one of the best games of his career, and you decide to reward him by essentially taking him OUT of the next game, which was just as important if you're playing for a winning season.

I will NEVER claim to understand the game of football like some of you GUYS, BUT, I'm not stupid either. I'm just old fashioned I guess. Give me some good old smashmouth, hard nosed, ass kicking games anyday over the crap we saw in Oakland! Stay competitive until the END, never give up even when you're down, that's the way I was raised! If GK wants to "evaluate" his players, let him do it during the off season. Hell, he should know by now JJ is a heart attack just waiting to happen! Just ask ANY fan who is watching the guy any time he steps out on the field! Allow your best players to SHINE and make damn sure the weaker one's (JJ) is paying close attention. JMO!

Sorry, just had to vent a little. It's the middle of the night, can't sleep, waiting patiently for 5am so I can hit the after Christmas sales, and it's raining outside!!:)

We aren't going to the playoffs. And realistically, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9... ...all it means at this point is what our draft spot will be. We won't be in the top ten, so we won't have to pay top ten money. So why not see who is worth keeping and who needs replacing at this late date? I wouldn't be surprised to see more back-ups get P/T against the Bears.

And if DeMeco or AJ or OD or SS blows out a knee in a game that means nothing more than draft position we'll all be climbing Kubiak's backside for not sitting them out.

gary
12-26-2008, 11:34 AM
I think that we should play our starters early on maybe through the first half or so and just see what happens and at least try to get a good size lead for our second team. If the game turns into a blow out game early on then just take the starters on out. If we have the lead going into the second half and our second or third stringers hold the lead for us and win the game great because I really want to win this game and go into the offseason at 8-8 and not 7-9. I think at halftime or early in the third to give all of our backups a chance to show us what they have and what key areas does this team need to focus on this offseason and also lessen the chance of any of our starters getting hurt right before the long offseason being that they do not get hurt while they are in the game first half. It is the last game of the season and it does not mean anything besides having a .500 or below. The starters should get a few more reps before they sit down for their long break. I'd like for us to win this game and go into this offseason on some sort of a high note. If we don't win this game oh well, what is there for me to do about it? Just my thoughts here.

b0ng
12-26-2008, 11:54 AM
After what happened to Johnson in the Carolina game last year, I'm all for sitting him out when a game has reached the point of not mattering anymore. I don't want to see anybody get injured unnecessarily in a game that is already decided, and I think that when Johnson went out of that Oakland game, it was at that point.

If the running game is a non-threat for the second week in a row then Johnson better have a pretty freakin huge game if we're going to win.

Wolf6151
12-26-2008, 12:22 PM
When I read the title of this thread I immediately thought of Travis Johnson and then thought well it's about damn time.

Vinny
12-26-2008, 12:30 PM
Personally I wouldn't play AJ much since getting hurt would put a dark shadow on the entire post season with endless speculation and discontent over what amounted to a pretty disappointing year. Kubiak said point blank he wants to look at Jacoby so I can't think of a better time to get something on film against an opponent who is trying to get into the playoffs.

Wolf
12-26-2008, 12:34 PM
Personally I wouldn't play AJ much since getting hurt would put a dark shadow on the entire post season with endless speculation and discontent over what amounted to a pretty disappointing year. Kubiak said point blank he wants to look at Jacoby so I can't think of a better time to get something on film against an opponent who is trying to get into the playoffs.

true vinny, I posted this on another thread but fits here too

Texans could be in the market for a No. 3 WR in offseason

From Profootballweekly.com
By Mike Wilkening
Dec. 24, 2008


One position the Texans could look to bolster in the offseason, the way we hear it, is wide receiver. Starters Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter aren’t going anywhere, but the Texans may add a receiver to complement their top two wideouts. Reserve WRs David Anderson, André Davis and Jacoby Jones all bring a valuable skill to the roster, but none has made a clear case to take the job as his own in 2009. The question of whether to sign a wideout could come down to the Texans’ confidence in Jones; Jones is an emerging star punt returner, but he hasn’t made much of an impact as a receiver in two NFL seasons. Davis, who caught 33 passes for 583 yards and three touchdowns in 2007, has been slowed by a finger injury this season. Anderson has been the most productive of the trio, catching 18 passes for 232 yards and two touchdowns entering Week 17.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Houston/WWHI/2008/wwhi122408.htm

gary
12-26-2008, 01:37 PM
I've already said that our starters should sit out in the second half. Any good FA wideouts on the market in 2009?

Lucky
12-26-2008, 01:40 PM
Reserve WRs David Anderson, André Davis and Jacoby Jones all bring a valuable skill to the roster, but none has made a clear case to take the job as his own in 2009.
I know that Davis is a good kick returner/coverage specialist. Jones can return/fumble punts. But, what is David Anderson's valuable skill? Really bad end zone dancing on a bi-annual basis?

threetoedpete
12-26-2008, 01:50 PM
the only way I could see them letting raiders beat them was to keep Oakland as the 3rd best team in their division. In doing that, that allows Houston to play Oakland AGAIN next year. maybe they're already preparing for next year and wanted Oakland to be the team they play. . . :thinking: (Putting on Tin-foil helmet)

Diles was out & Adibi was out. We had journeymen LBs with no speed in the second level. Johnson disappeared because the Oakland DBs made him disappear. No one wants to hear that but that was the way it was. The reason we lost the Oakland game.... we abandoned the run early and tried to over come the extra possession the Raiders got on the onside kick by throwing into the teeth of their man over coverage. Rolling the coverage constantly at A.J. Instead of realizing what the Raiders were doing and reestablishing the rushing attack taking back control of the game....they panicked and tried to throw their way back to a turnaround. Which of course, was exactly what Rob Ryan wanted. He could pin the ears back on their De's and LB's and send them.

Kubiack is not a good field general yet. When things go south, so does the game plan.

rush2112mn
12-26-2008, 01:55 PM
I see him going all over the field on Chicago....it is not going to very much fun for them...lol.....
Andre is on another level....it is scary what this guy can do.....
We are lucky to have a guy of this calibur on our team.....

And a great leader on and off the field too.....class act......

The great thing is he wants to make his teammates better too......just go ask Kevin Walter.....or any of the other recievers.....:texan::gotexans1:logo:

threetoedpete
12-26-2008, 02:01 PM
I know that Davis is a good kick returner/coverage specialist. Jones can return/fumble punts. But, what is David Anderson's valuable skill? Really bad end zone dancing on a bi-annual basis?

He's cap friendly. He has soft hands of gold and he has the nerves of a thief. Most of his targets are on third down ? Other than that you're correct....go draft a day one guy and up grade the receivers. Over draft a position of strength ?

Look Anderson is never going to make anyone forget Wes Welker. But he isn't copped beef either. When the coach says to him self who can make a critical play for me.....and A.J. is being covered like a blanket....it's amazing how many times David Anderson seems to come through and move the chains.

If Hub Arkin has a source for this let him post it. Otherwise I read this as exactly what I posted last week. We're getting close to the Mathis line on Jacoby Jones. IMHO, this is an end around message to Jacoby. Produce or perish.

gary
12-26-2008, 02:09 PM
Here's the list of free agent WR's in 2009. Jabar G. is on the list.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=66&f=1887&t=3428377

Lucky
12-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Look Anderson is never going to make anyone forget Wes Welker. But he isn't copped beef either...it's amazing how many times David Anderson seems to come through and move the chains.
Anderson isn't chopped beef. More like a PB&J. It'll get you through lunch, but no one is gonna trade you a ham & cheese for it.

Anderson has 13 1st downs this season. That's almost 1 per game. Color me amazed. Which is very similar to Steel Blue.

SheTexan
12-26-2008, 02:26 PM
Maybe it's time for me to reevaluate my feelings toward the game. Might be time to give it up. I just don't buy this crap about "sitting" out starters because this is a meaningless game to us!! I detest the idea of NOT trying to win because it will give us a better draft position, or waiting until the last game of the season to "evaluate" players. That's just BS IMHO!! You play the damn game to WIN or don't play at all! You guys talk all the time about the NFL taking the FUN out of the game, well, maybe the coaches are doing the same. Heck, with the attitude most of you guys have why even bother to go to the game at all?? All you want is another preseason game, SORRY, I had to sit through enough of that during August. Give me my money's worth, but the A team on the field and let them play ball!!!! If someone gets hurt then so be it, that's just part of the game!

threetoedpete
12-26-2008, 02:36 PM
Anderson isn't chopped beef. More like a PB&J. It'll get you through lunch, but no one is gonna trade you a ham & cheese for it.

Anderson has 13 1st downs this season. That's almost 1 per game. Color me amazed. Which is very similar to Steel Blue.

That's right. So, the question now becomes how much cap room are you going to spend on the slot guy, the number four guy with Andre Johnson and Walter on the roster. Out of you own post.....how much do you spend on a guy who is going to get thirteen targets on third down per year ? Further what garuantee do you have that the extra money spent will increase your productivity ? And how much does that cap really improve your team ? You tell me Einstein. He does his job. And he does it at a minimum salary. At some point don't you live with efficient instead of chasing greener grass ?

gary
12-26-2008, 02:41 PM
I do not think that we need to cut Anderson but by picking up another WR that would move him down the depth chart more and we would not see him on the field as much as we've been seeing him this season. I wish JJ and would work on their passing game this offseason but I would not mind having another WR on this team to help out KW and AJ because I have yet to see JJ or AD do it as much as I'd like to see I know that AD has been hurt but still. I don't think that we should spend one of our draft picks on a WR when we have bigger needs on this team right now.

gary
12-26-2008, 03:00 PM
Maybe it's time for me to reevaluate my feelings toward the game. Might be time to give it up. I just don't buy this crap about "sitting" out starters because this is a meaningless game to us!! I detest the idea of NOT trying to win because it will give us a better draft position, or waiting until the last game of the season to "evaluate" players. That's just BS IMHO!! You play the damn game to WIN or don't play at all! You guys talk all the time about the NFL taking the FUN out of the game, well, maybe the coaches are doing the same. Heck, with the attitude most of you guys have why even bother to go to the game at all?? All you want is another preseason game, SORRY, I had to sit through enough of that during August. Give me my money's worth, but the A team on the field and let them play ball!!!! If someone gets hurt then so be it, that's just part of the game!At least I did say to start our starters and how it goes instead of just benching them for the whole game.:):):)

Insideop
12-26-2008, 03:01 PM
I don't think that we should spend one of our draft picks on a WR when we have bigger needs on this team right now.

I have to say I agree with this. I think our WR group is fine at this time, one of the strengths of the team actually. Way too many other areas need to be shored up ( S, DE, OC, RB, OLB, etc..) before we start drafting WR's. JMHO!

Insideop
12-26-2008, 03:06 PM
Sorry, but, I'd like to know why the HELL Oakland was not a BIG GAME??! Winning our last two would have given us a winning season, plus, a HUGE emotional boost for players and fans going into the off season. Unless AJ has an injury no one knows about, WHY did GK decide to mentally bench him for the Raider game? I just don't understand GK! A fierce competitor goes out to WIN any game, any way possible. You have the best WR in the NFL just coming off one of the best games of his career, and you decide to reward him by essentially taking him OUT of the next game, which was just as important if you're playing for a winning season.

I will NEVER claim to understand the game of football like some of you GUYS, BUT, I'm not stupid either. I'm just old fashioned I guess. Give me some good old smashmouth, hard nosed, ass kicking games anyday over the crap we saw in Oakland! Stay competitive until the END, never give up even when you're down, that's the way I was raised! If GK wants to "evaluate" his players, let him do it during the off season. Hell, he should know by now JJ is a heart attack just waiting to happen! Just ask ANY fan who is watching the guy any time he steps out on the field! Allow your best players to SHINE and make damn sure the weaker one's (JJ) is paying close attention. JMO!

Sorry, just had to vent a little. It's the middle of the night, can't sleep, waiting patiently for 5am so I can hit the after Christmas sales, and it's raining outside!!:)

I thought that's what we did see in Oakland! :shades:

gary
12-26-2008, 03:14 PM
I have to say I agree with this. I think our WR group is fine at this time, one of the strengths of the team actually. Way too many other areas need to be shored up ( S, DE, OC, RB, OLB, etc..) before we start drafting WR's. JMHO!Agreed. If we do pick up a FA WR then so be it though.

dalemurphy
12-26-2008, 03:25 PM
Sorry, but, I'd like to know why the HELL Oakland was not a BIG GAME??! Winning our last two would have given us a winning season, plus, a HUGE emotional boost for players and fans going into the off season. Unless AJ has an injury no one knows about, WHY did GK decide to mentally bench him for the Raider game? I just don't understand GK! A fierce competitor goes out to WIN any game, any way possible. You have the best WR in the NFL just coming off one of the best games of his career, and you decide to reward him by essentially taking him OUT of the next game, which was just as important if you're playing for a winning season.

I will NEVER claim to understand the game of football like some of you GUYS, BUT, I'm not stupid either. I'm just old fashioned I guess. Give me some good old smashmouth, hard nosed, ass kicking games anyday over the crap we saw in Oakland! Stay competitive until the END, never give up even when you're down, that's the way I was raised! If GK wants to "evaluate" his players, let him do it during the off season. Hell, he should know by now JJ is a heart attack just waiting to happen! Just ask ANY fan who is watching the guy any time he steps out on the field! Allow your best players to SHINE and make damn sure the weaker one's (JJ) is paying close attention. JMO!




Well, we can't play smashmouth on offense right now because we only have one back and he's undersized.

Also, kind of a ridiculous vent you have concerning AJ being on the bench at the end of the game. The Texans can be competitive without him on the field. Show me any player that plays every down of the season. Kubiak gave Slaton only 4 carries versus Baltimore because he was looking at the bigger picture. That was probably a key to his success during the 4 game winning streak. AJ was totally ineffective against Oakland anyway. If you want to vent, vent about the poor performance. That's valid. However, it is the job of the head coach to manage the team with an eye to its overall health for this year and the seasons that follow. If you can't appreciate that then maybe you shouldn't bother to follow the sport so closely- it will only cause you aggravation.

Lucky
12-26-2008, 04:49 PM
Out of you own post.....how much do you spend on a guy who is going to get thirteen targets on third down per year ? You tell me Einstein.
You may call me Albert.

I never said a thing about spending cap room on a backup WR. I was just responding initially to the PFW article. I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans replace Anderson with a WR with more speed and special teams ability. If not, I won't lose sleep about it. I have a theory that in the end, it's all relative.

gary
12-26-2008, 05:15 PM
I won't lose sleep over a new WR either because this team has much bigger needs.

Norg
12-26-2008, 11:36 PM
if we are going to get a WR which is stupid anywayz we need a lean fast deep threat

SheTexan
12-27-2008, 06:35 AM
Well, we can't play smashmouth on offense right now because we only have one back and he's undersized.

However, it is the job of the head coach to manage the team with an eye to its overall health for this year and the seasons that follow. If you can't appreciate that then maybe you shouldn't bother to follow the sport so closely- it will only cause you aggravation.

I expect our HC to game plan and prepare his team to WIN a friggin football game, something I did not see much of this year! Perhaps you are correct! Since I don't appreciate crappy coaching I just might need to reevaluate the amount of time I spend on this board trying to understand what makes OURS tick! I've been following profootball for over 50 yrs, so don't even think about questioning my appreciation for the game! I have an opinion that apparently differs from yours, which is fine. This board would be horribly boring if we all agreed, BUT, at the same time, it can be the core of a lot of the aggravation.

Thorn
12-27-2008, 07:31 AM
I expect our HC to game plan and prepare his team to WIN a friggin football game, something I did not see much of this year! Perhaps you are correct! Since I don't appreciate crappy coaching I just might need to reevaluate the amount of time I spend on this board trying to understand what makes OURS tick! I've been following profootball for over 50 yrs, so don't even think about questioning my appreciation for the game! I have an opinion that apparently differs from yours, which is fine. This board would be horribly boring if we all agreed, BUT, at the same time, it can be the core of a lot of the aggravation.


Coachs and players should plan and play to win every game. Period.

Maddict5
12-27-2008, 02:00 PM
if we are going to get a WR which is stupid anywayz we need a lean fast deep threat

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09HV5j07hb2zD/610x.jpg
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rmartin65
12-27-2008, 03:18 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09HV5j07hb2zD/610x.jpg
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One that can hold onto the ball. And actually get on the field, something Jones does not seem to be able to accomplish.

Runner
12-27-2008, 03:49 PM
Coachs and players should plan and play to win every game. Period.

I have no doubt the Texans will try to win the game. Whether they can maintain the fight if things aren't going well is another thing. If they lose, I'd rather the team be 7-9 after trying than because the game wasn't important to them. "It's just one game" has been used too many times this year.

mattieuk
12-27-2008, 04:12 PM
I have no doubt the Texans will try to win the game. Whether they can maintain the fight if things aren't going well is another thing. If they lose, I'd rather the team be 7-9 after trying than because the game wasn't important to them. "It's just one game" has been used too many times this year.

Gotta try to get the win, yea obviously.

Although I much prefer the sound of the 'two years without a losing season Houston Texans' though!