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gary
12-19-2008, 12:17 PM
I know that I am jumping way ahead here but that is what I say.

powerfuldragon
12-19-2008, 12:22 PM
we don't even know if we'll win nine this season. in the offseason there are gonna be like twenty threads and polls that ask us to predict our record next season..

gary
12-19-2008, 12:24 PM
We will have nine trust me.

TimeKiller
12-19-2008, 12:26 PM
What are you gary, that guy from Back to the Future with the sports book?

I don't think our team is to the point that we can just show up and win yet...

gary
12-19-2008, 12:35 PM
Can't a guy have wishful thinking around here?

TimeKiller
12-19-2008, 12:38 PM
I'm just sayin'...

If we've never won 11, 12 or 13 games before, let alone 9, maybe we shouldn't be counting the chickens before they hatch.

gary
12-19-2008, 12:41 PM
8-8 last season and every season should improve by at least two or three games.

TimeKiller
12-19-2008, 12:50 PM
Well we kind of backdoored our way into 8 wins last year, kind of doing the same thing this year to maybe get to 9 wins...Winning 11 or 13 games is a team that came to play from day 1, not the 5th week of the season.

Specnatz
12-19-2008, 12:52 PM
I am with you Gary, as long as the team does not over look we will have 9 wins.

I will not comment on next year until I know the cause for my Texans not having a better record is gone.

Richard Smith
Petey Faggins
Morlon Greenwood
Anthony Weaver

Timekiller not to throw a monkey in your wrench but after the first 7 games of the season the Colts and the Texans were 3-4.

gary
12-19-2008, 12:56 PM
We should already have eight wins but Sage lost one for us.

TexanSam
12-19-2008, 01:07 PM
8-8 last season and every season should improve by at least two or three games.

If we go 9-7 this year, I won't consider it improvement. Not when we basically threw our season away at 3-7.

Runner
12-19-2008, 01:07 PM
I'm just sayin'...

If we've never won 11, 12 or 13 games before, let alone 9, maybe we shouldn't be counting the chickens before they hatch.
No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time.

Spike
12-19-2008, 01:08 PM
We should already have eight wins but Sage lost one for us.

Exactly - Take three of our games this season: first Jacksonville game, first Colts game and the Dolphins game. All of those games are one or two plays (or a coin flip) from being all wins or all losses. This year we took 1/3 of those close games, maybe next year we take 2/3 or 3/3. We are talking about a 9-7 season, but it is not like this team wasn't capable of winning 11.

I never believed it before, but after this season, I buy the argument that there is very little difference between a 7-9 team and a 9-7 team. I would argue that there is a bigger gap between a 9-7 team and a 11-5 team, but not a lot.

gary
12-19-2008, 01:12 PM
If we go 9-7 this year, I won't consider it improvement. Not when we basically threw our season away at 3-7.Still it is when you win your last six games to do it.:texflag::texflag::texflag:

scourge
12-19-2008, 01:12 PM
8-8 last season and every season should improve by at least two or three games.

perhaps you aren't old enough to remember that we went from 7-9 in '04 to 2-14 in '05...

noxiousdog
12-19-2008, 01:14 PM
I'm just sayin'...

If we've never won 11, 12 or 13 games before, let alone 9, maybe we shouldn't be counting the chickens before they hatch.

Nobody is likely to get to 13 this year. It's certainly a stretch to put us there next year.

gary
12-19-2008, 01:22 PM
Exactly - Take three of our games this season: first Jacksonville game, first Colts game and the Dolphins game. All of those games are one or two plays (or a coin flip) from being all wins or all losses. This year we took 1/3 of those close games, maybe next year we take 2/3 or 3/3. We are talking about a 9-7 season, but it is not like this team wasn't capable of winning 11.

I never believed it before, but after this season, I buy the argument that there is very little difference between a 7-9 team and a 9-7 team. I would argue that there is a bigger gap between a 9-7 team and a 11-5 team, but not a lot.Lost to the Vickings because of tounovers in the red zone and not so great D. Had a a chance to beat the Colts in Indy the D had a let down and then Sage throws an INT at the end that is two more games right there.

Ole Miss Texan
12-19-2008, 01:24 PM
we don't even know if we'll win nine this season. in the offseason there are gonna be like twenty threads and polls that ask us to predict our record next season..

Why not start a little early!?

I'm with you gary. 9 wins this year. Next year I can see us with 10 or 11 wins and making a WC spot. Playoffs baby!

gary
12-19-2008, 01:26 PM
perhaps you aren't old enough to remember that we went from 7-9 in '04 to 2-14 in '05...Does not happen very often.

powerfuldragon
12-19-2008, 01:30 PM
No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time.

The two are most likely related. the texans go undefeated, causing chaos in the universe. worm holes start opening up all over the place and eventually all becomes naught and we're all sent back to the beginning.

gary
12-19-2008, 01:31 PM
Nobody is likely to get to 13 this year. It's certainly a stretch to put us there next year.Taks have 12 and the Giants and I think that the Panthers have 11 wins.

Killer Bee
12-19-2008, 01:34 PM
I'm with you Gary on 9 wins this season. Hopefully

As for next year, here’s my pre offseason prediction.

Away Games
1. @ Indianapolis Loss
2. @ Jacksonville Loss
3. @ Tennessee Loss
4. @ Miami Win
5. @ Buffalo Win
6. @ Cleveland Win
7. @ St. Louis Win
8. @ Arizona Loss

Home Games
9. Indianapolis Win
10. Jacksonville Win
11. Tennessee Win
12. New England Loss
13. NY Jets Win
14. Oakland Win
15. San Francisco Win
16. Seattle Win

That’s 11-5 right there but will lose at least one that we shouldn’t. So put my early prediction down for 10-6 with a first round wild card loss.

noxiousdog
12-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Taks have 12 and the Giants and I think that the Panthers have 11 wins.

I said likely. Tennessee is an underdog in both games. Giants play the Panthers this week, so they can't both get there and the winner gets home field so neither has nothing to play for in week 17.

MissouriTexan
12-19-2008, 01:39 PM
No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time.
The world will end when the Texans go undefeated...ouch. Seems like an insult.

gary
12-19-2008, 01:42 PM
I said likely. Tennessee is an underdog in both games. Giants play the Panthers this week, so they can't both get there and the winner gets home field so neither has nothing to play for in week 17.I think that someone will have 13 wins at the end of the season.

TEXANS84
12-19-2008, 01:43 PM
We will have nine trust me.

The Bears more than likely will have playoff implications with our game, I don't see us winning our finale at home if that is the case.
I've seen the Bears play at their best, and we got lucky against the Titans, the Bears however will not let us slide past.

brakos82
12-19-2008, 01:44 PM
The Bears more than likely will have playoff implications with our game, I don't see us winning our finale at home if that is the case.
I've seen the Bears play at their best, and we got lucky against the Titans, the Bears however will not let us slide past.
They did last time. :kingkong:

gary
12-19-2008, 01:45 PM
Wait and see.

noxiousdog
12-19-2008, 01:46 PM
I think that someone will have 13 wins at the end of the season.

Actually, the Steelers probably will. Regardless, I don't see us being the best team in the NFL next year.

HOU-TEX
12-19-2008, 01:48 PM
The Bears more than likely will have playoff implications with our game, I don't see us winning our finale at home if that is the case.
I've seen the Bears play at their best, and we got lucky against the Titans, the Bears however will not let us slide past.

Only if the Vikings lose, right?

cuppacoffee
12-19-2008, 01:48 PM
No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time.

Not to worry.....the Mayans couldn't correctly forcast their own demise.

Just saying.........

:coffee:

TEXANS84
12-19-2008, 01:52 PM
Only if the Vikings lose, right?

Correct. I think Atlanta will go in and come away with a victory.

gary
12-19-2008, 01:53 PM
Actually, the Steelers probably will. Regardless, I don't see us being the best team in the NFL next year.11 wins would make us the best team in the NFL?

noxiousdog
12-19-2008, 01:54 PM
11 wins would make us the best team in the NFL?

No. 13. 11 is certainly possible.

HOU-TEX
12-19-2008, 01:55 PM
Correct. I think Atlanta will go in and come away with a victory.

That's definitely a possibility. I suppose it depends if the old or the new Tavaris shows up. I think the Williams' are still playing too.

gary
12-19-2008, 02:00 PM
No. 13. 11 is certainly possible.I think that it will be closer to 11 or 12 not 13.

drewmar74
12-19-2008, 02:44 PM
The two are most likely related. the texans go undefeated, causing chaos in the universe. worm holes start opening up all over the place and eventually all becomes naught and we're all sent back to the beginning.

Do not pass GO?

Do not collect $200?

TEXANS84
12-19-2008, 02:45 PM
That's definitely a possibility. I suppose it depends if the old or the new Tavaris shows up. I think the Williams' are still playing too.

One Williams is down.

Ole Miss Texan
12-19-2008, 02:47 PM
One Williams is down.

Hey... as long as our Williams is still up! :)

ObsiWan
12-19-2008, 03:23 PM
No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time.

Well aint THAT yer typical Texans' luck

:D

scourge
12-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Does not happen very often.

Bengals 9-7 - '90 Bengals 3-13 - '91

Dallas 10-6 - '96 Dallas 6-10 - '97

Indy 9-7 - '96 Indy 3-13 - '97

Oakland 11-5 - '02 Oakland 4-12 - '03

Miami 10-6 - '03 Miami 4-12 - '04


Just to name a few...

gary
12-19-2008, 03:31 PM
That used to be our luck but not anymore.

Double Barrel
12-19-2008, 03:34 PM
I know that I am jumping way ahead here but that is what I say.

I like your optimism, gary! And why not?! :fans: :texflag: :redtowel:


No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time.

The two are most likely related. the texans go undefeated, causing chaos in the universe. worm holes start opening up all over the place and eventually all becomes naught and we're all sent back to the beginning.

That's about right. And since the date is December 21, 2012, we will have probably just wrapped up homefield advantage in the playoffs.

ObsiWan
12-19-2008, 03:36 PM
Let's not make it about luck.

Let's see what happens in the off-season; who we draft, who gets cut, which F/As we sign/re-sign, which Houston Texan defensive coordinator gets shown the door (he said hopefully) :D...

You know, those kinds of things.

...Not to mention what moves all the other guys make...

too soon for predictions

gary
12-19-2008, 03:39 PM
Bengals 9-7 - '90 Bengals 3-13 - '91

Dallas 10-6 - '96 Dallas 6-10 - '97

Indy 9-7 - '96 Indy 3-13 - '97

Oakland 11-5 - '02 Oakland 4-12 - '03

Miami 10-6 - '03 Miami 4-12 - '04


Just to name a few...I look at us getting better next season on both sides of the football on O mostly by cutting down on the tournovers if you do not want to look at it the same way that is your call.

NBT
12-19-2008, 03:49 PM
We are already one of the best on offense, let's draft for defense next year while holding the same offensive skills, and see how far we can go in the playoffs!

gary
12-19-2008, 03:55 PM
Agreed.

76Texan
12-19-2008, 04:04 PM
sixteen and oh can you say it baby! :doot:

:fans:

gary
12-19-2008, 04:07 PM
I'd like to have whatever it is that you're drinking LOL.

brakos82
12-19-2008, 04:07 PM
*resists urge to post Jim Mora clip*

:fans:

76Texan
12-19-2008, 04:51 PM
I'd like to have whatever it is that you're drinking LOL.

H2O :kingkong:

gary
12-19-2008, 04:53 PM
2O for 20 wins LOL.

Porky
12-19-2008, 04:59 PM
8-8 last season and every season should improve by at least two or three games.

By 2011 we should win 18 games! :user:

gary
12-19-2008, 05:03 PM
lol

Thorn
12-19-2008, 05:50 PM
We are already one of the best on offense, let's draft for defense next year while holding the same offensive skills, and see how far we can go in the playoffs!

I think we should pick up another O lineman or two either in the draft or FA. I also think we should get a big heavy pounding RB to offset Slaton to further the offense even further.

But formost, I think we need a good defensive end to play on the other side of Mario. If we have two really good book end DEs, our entire defense is better. Peppers will not be avaliable, forget that. I'd like to see another 1st round pick on a DE.

gary
12-19-2008, 05:53 PM
Some Dbacks.

steelbtexan
12-19-2008, 06:08 PM
I'm with you Gary on 9 wins this season. Hopefully

As for next year, here’s my pre offseason prediction.

Away Games
1. @ Indianapolis Loss
2. @ Jacksonville Loss
3. @ Tennessee Loss
4. @ Miami Win
5. @ Buffalo Win
6. @ Cleveland Win
7. @ St. Louis Win
8. @ Arizona Loss

Home Games
9. Indianapolis Win
10. Jacksonville Win
11. Tennessee Win
12. New England Loss
13. NY Jets Win
14. Oakland Win
15. San Francisco Win
16. Seattle Win

That’s 11-5 right there but will lose at least one that we shouldn’t. So put my early prediction down for 10-6 with a first round wild card loss.

After a great draft & hopefully better resuts in FA with that schedule they should finish 11-5.

Provided that we make coaching & personel changes.

SteveSlaton20
12-19-2008, 06:24 PM
We should already have eight wins but Sage lost one for us.

one? tried 3 my friend.

Thorn
12-19-2008, 06:33 PM
one? tried 3 my friend.

water under the bridge. It doesn't matter anymore. We are not in the playoffs this year, we need to build for next year.

And we can start by kicking the shit out of Oakland and Chicago and going into next year with a six game winning streak on our hands.

gary
12-19-2008, 07:23 PM
We will.

mattieuk
12-19-2008, 07:35 PM
Lost to the Vickings because of tounovers in the red zone and not so great D. Had a a chance to beat the Colts in Indy the D had a let down and then Sage throws an INT at the end that is two more games right there.

Your point is that, because we played and sucked sometimes we somehow should go on to win more games? Hell load of turnovers are the mark of a bad team, and a QB who can't close out a game is the mark of a bad team (ok, he was backuping for a starter, but you've still gotta have an anti-self implose mode button).

I think we're a rapidly improving team, and that next year is a true playoff shot through the wildcards.

The Titans will be poorer, Haynesworth may be gone, Johnson will have lost his rookire 'magic' and start to be pressured on by everyone and the Collins/Young saga may will be worse than ever.

Indy's players will have another year on them. Marvin will IMO be gone, and reliance on Wayne will increase even more, and their D serously needs fixing up a bit.

Vinny
12-19-2008, 07:39 PM
only a few teams win 13+ games a year so I'd say don't put your cash on that....10-12 wins isn't out of the question if everything comes together and they stay away from injuries and we have another productive draft....but everything has to break right I'd say.

gary
12-19-2008, 07:42 PM
Turnovers mean that you have to try harder to cut down on them.

Vinny
12-19-2008, 07:44 PM
Turnovers mean that you have to try harder to cut down on them.I wasn't talking about turnovers but yeah, they need to improve that too or this team will continue to be the Denny Green Cardinals...big offense, and a D that is always in "has potential" land...that is a recipe for the eternal .500 ball.

gary
12-19-2008, 07:47 PM
Agreed.

Big Lou
12-20-2008, 12:49 AM
Man that would be super cool!

I consider myself a glass half full kind of guy when it comes to our team, and I don't want to get my hopes up too much. I think 11 is realistic, but that is putting the cart before the horse. A lot can happen between now and then.

For now its safe to say that we are building something special. Hopefully it all comes together.

If anything Andre Johnson deserves a SB Ring. I don't want to see him get the shaft like Earl. God Bless both of them!!!!

Thorn
12-20-2008, 06:35 AM
We will.

I like your attitude. http://www.trekbbs.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

gary
12-20-2008, 08:47 AM
Our path to 11 wins next season a new DC and a couple of OL men. Raise forced tourovers on the D side of the football and a DE on the other side of MW that will make the overall D better. A BB RB to back up SS on short yardage plays to move the pile along. Having MS healthy all season long is most important and score more TDs in the red zone instead of FG's all of the time and having MS healthy and on the football field more would help out with that part.

Vinny
12-20-2008, 08:48 AM
Our path to 11 wins next season a new DC and a couple of OL men. Raise forced tourovers on the D side of the football and a DE on the other side of MW that will make the overall D better. A BB RB to back up SS on short yardage plays to move the pile along. Having MS healthy all season long is most important and score more TDs in the red zone instead of FG's all of the time and having MS healthy and on the football field more would help out with that part.well, don't hold your breath on the new DC Gary...I think we are in for another year of RS. What two linemen do you think need to be replaced?

gary
12-20-2008, 08:52 AM
Maybe Myers for one of them.

Vinny
12-20-2008, 08:56 AM
Maybe Myers for one of them.Personally I think Brown, Pitts and Winston are hard locks as starters. I can see a move with either of the other guys.

gary
12-20-2008, 09:02 AM
Someone stronger at center.

Number19
12-20-2008, 09:12 AM
This past spring, one optimistic individual predicted the Texans would go undefeated this season. There were more than a few who were predicting somewhere in the 11 -13 win range. Most of the thoughtful analysis were saying 9 wins, with a real possibility for 10. They also looked at the opening schedule and said it was not unlikely we would open 0-4.

Well, the season has played out exactly as the thoughtful analysis predicted it would. We should have a win tomorrow and then we need to take care of business against the Bears.

Remember 2004 and the Browns. Well I know AJ does, and Chester, and Dunta, Kris Brown, Mark Bruener and Petey Faggins. We've been there and now we have the leadership on the team and we have home field advantage.

Killer Bee and steelbtexan are on the mark for next season - in our division, an improvement to 10 or 11 wins is to be expected.

DocBar
12-20-2008, 09:38 AM
No chicken counting here. I'm looking at legitimate trend data and am anxiously awaiting the Texans' undefeated season in 2012.

Problem is, according to the Mayans the world will end at about the same time. Ma, those guys are always crapping on someones heart (literally back in the day).

I am with you Gary, as long as the team does not over look we will have 9 wins.

I will not comment on next year until I know the cause for my Texans not having a better record is gone.

Richard Smith
Petey Faggins
Morlon Greenwood
Anthony Weaver

Timekiller not to throw a monkey in your wrench but after the first 7 games of the season the Colts and the Texans were 3-4. Noone has EVER accused us of being the Colts, although we really do resemble some of their teams: GREAT O, terrible D.

The Bears more than likely will have playoff implications with our game, I don't see us winning our finale at home if that is the case.
I've seen the Bears play at their best, and we got lucky against the Titans, the Bears however will not let us slide past. I think the Tacks got lucky that the score was so close. We thoroughly outplayed them. Collins had a particularly bad day missing some open recievers, but I don't think we were all that lucky to win. Just better. The Bears D isn't as formidable this year as they have been, so I see us as favorites in this game. Like Peter King said, there are a lot of teams glad we're out of the playoffs this year.

I'm trying my best to let go of the games we gave away this year. We can "woulda, shoulda, coulda" it to death, but the reality is that we lost those games, so I'm gonna have to see some offseason moves before I get too carried away on next years record. I tend to be overly optimistic and they end up crapping on my heart every year.

TimeKiller
12-20-2008, 10:29 AM
Timekiller not to throw a monkey in your wrench but after the first 7 games of the season the Colts and the Texans were 3-4.

No monkeys or wrenches here, the Colts are a better team than we are and have been for about 7 years now.

gary
12-20-2008, 11:40 AM
No monkeys or wrenches here, the Colts are a better team than we are and have been for about 7 years now.
How come we basicly beat them once this season and the second game was not a blow out game for them either?

ObsiWan
12-20-2008, 11:44 AM
I wasn't talking about turnovers but yeah, they need to improve that too or this team will continue to be the Denny Green Cardinals...big offense, and a D that is always in "has potential" land...that is a recipe for the eternal .500 ball.
Agreed... see the New Orleans Saints
10-6 in 2006
7-9 in 2007
maybe 8-8 in 2008
maybe...

HJam72
12-20-2008, 11:48 AM
How come we basicly beat them once this season and the second game was not a blow out game for them either?

I think it could be argued that we are now equal with the Colts, but that is only if you (a) take back Rosencopter's performances from a few games, and (b) forget that Manning missed Preseason and took like half the year to get into his groove.

ObsiWan
12-20-2008, 11:53 AM
How come we basicly beat them once this season and the second game was not a blow out game for them either?

but we didn't win either game

ask the Jags about "basically" having them beat and ending up losing.

This division is a lot closer than the talking heads realize. Next year things may be even tighter. Like Vinny said, with a few good breaks here and there we could be 10-6/11-5 next year. With bad breaks we'll end up right back here at 8-8.

gary
12-20-2008, 11:55 AM
I think it could be argued that we are now equal with the Colts, but that is only if you (a) take back Rosencopter's performances from a few games, and (b) forget that Manning missed Preseason and took like half the year to get into his groove.
Well said. Thank you Rosencopter.