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Texan JBZ
12-18-2008, 02:09 AM
In the last week, we've had threads on here asking if Dunta is really worth giving a new deal worth that of other perceived top-flight corners in the league to if the Texans should pursue Nnamdi Asomugha and make him their #1 corner. People on here have stated their opinions saying that they don't believe Dunta is worth paying $8-$10 million a year for. They say he wasn't even a top-flight corner before the injury, that he was middle of the pack, tier-three even. To these Texans fans I offer this simple question - What in the hell are you guys talking about?

We are talking about Dunta Robinson. He is pound-for-pound one of the toughest guys in the NFL. He plays like there is no tomorrow. He's given everything he's got to this franchise. He, not DeMeco, is the leader and heart and soul of the defense. Sure, he's a step slower right now. I'm sure he knows that. But look at what the guy came back from. It's a miracle..no, stratch that..it's a testament to how tough and committed the guy is. Give him this offseason and he'll be back to his normal self. You don't find football players everyday built of the same metal that Dunta is built of. The guy is a warrior.

And have we not learned anything as fans? Look at the free agent CBs that have struck it rich lately. Nate Clements, Asante Samuel, Marcus Trufant, Drayton Florence. Dunta is better than all of these guys. Should he not be paid as such? And some of you think that pre-injury Dunta wasn't playing like a top-tier corner. What?!? The guy was playing out of his mind. He was Pro-Bowl caliber. He only gave up one big play all of last season, and that was against the Tacks. Other than that, I can't think of a time when he wasn't bringing it.

I know it's easy to get enamored with big name free agents like Aso. I understand it, because the guy is a great player. He's big, strong, and fast. Now only if I knew for a fact that he had half the heart of Dunta, I'd say go after him. But I don't know that because I only watch the Raiders when the Texans play them. I do know this. Dunta has the heart of a champion. He's a natural born leader. He's fierce and competitive, the heart and soul of the Texans organization. We've all watched him and know what he can do. And from reading some of you guys' posts, he's really underappreciated for his contributions to the Texans. There is no way you entertain the thought of getting rid of a guy like D-Rob or not paying him what he is worth. Even if you think his skills have diminished post-injury, you can't dispute the impact he has had on the defense since being inserted back into the starting line-up. I'll end my rant/man-love for Dunta by saying this - The Texans have spent a lot of money in an unwise fashion. Give Dunta what he deserves and what he has earned. You can't put a price tag on his brand of leadership. That would be the wisest thing this organization has done since drafting Mario..OUT

nero THE zero
12-18-2008, 08:22 AM
Well said, and I couldn't agree more.

gtexan02
12-18-2008, 08:31 AM
I think you are misinterpreting what people are saying. No one that I saw was saying that Dunta was an average or below average corner pre-injury. What people were saying was that there are two types of corner: Coverage and Hard Hitting, and Dunta was the latter. He was always OK in coverage, but he's never been a real ball-hawking, cover corner kind of player. His strength was always his ability to lay the wood, play the run, and make a few key plays in coverage.

In terms of pure coverage ability, I dont think Dunta is better or was better than the guys you mentioned. In terms of tackling ability, he is no doubt better than many of them.

Do I think its worth it to keep Dunta around? Hell yes. Especially for his leadership and motivational abilities. He calls guys out and brings a toughness this team needs. But lets not get over sensitized to the fact that he isn't 100% yet. Thats all people are really saying

Brandon420tx
12-18-2008, 09:44 AM
I believe Marcus Trufant to be a better cover corner then Dunta and really hoped he would hit free agency in the off chance the Texans would get him.

Still love Dunta though

beerlover
12-18-2008, 10:15 AM
Texans are quite fond of Dunta & will resign him to a long term contract (larger than Reeves) but still less than what was thought before injury. He will never have that long speed, planting cuts are more tenative while hips are still fluid. expereince playing with physical limitations combined with football intelligence (better angles/leadership) retain most of his value finishing his career with the :logo:who drafted him.

mussop
12-18-2008, 10:15 AM
I believe Marcus Trufant to be a better cover corner then Dunta and really hoped he would hit free agency in the off chance the Texans would get him.

Still love Dunta though

Iagree with this.

b0ng
12-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Iagree with this.

I like Trufant too but his game has been slipping since Patrick Kerney isn't providing any pressure on QB's. To me Trufant is going to demand a ton of money and I don't think he'll look good out there if the Texans can't generate a halfway decent pass rush

nero THE zero
12-18-2008, 12:59 PM
I believe Marcus Trufant to be a better cover corner then Dunta and really hoped he would hit free agency in the off chance the Texans would get him.

Still love Dunta though

I agree, they're simply different players. It's like comparing Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens; both great pitchers but they just go about it totally differently.

DocBar
12-18-2008, 01:06 PM
I would love to keep DROB, but the only 2 players on the team worth breaking the bank over are AJ and MW. Everyone else is replaceable.

eriadoc
12-18-2008, 01:11 PM
I would love to keep DROB, but the only 2 players on the team worth breaking the bank over are AJ and MW. Everyone else is replaceable.

I don't know about the "breaking the bank" comment, but IMO, D-Rob is not replaceable. He brings a lot more to the team than just what happens on the field, and he's pretty damn good on the field when healthy. Most folks forget that he was having his best season as a pro before he got hurt.

D-Rob is not replaceable.

Double Barrel
12-18-2008, 01:17 PM
I would love to keep DROB, but the only 2 players on the team worth breaking the bank over are AJ and MW. Everyone else is replaceable.

I'd have to add DeMeco to your list.

DocBar
12-18-2008, 01:21 PM
I'd have to add DeMeco to your list.

I thought about that, but I'm not sure I would break the bank for him. He's a great player, but is he elite on the level of AJ or MW? I dunno. MLB's are easier to find than out of this world, freak of natures like AJ and MW, also.

Blake
12-18-2008, 02:18 PM
Shouldnt this be called under appreciated thread?

V3rm0nt3r
12-18-2008, 04:06 PM
i don't know if you realize this and if you do i don't understand why you haven't brought it up.

remember when the FIRE RICHARD SMITH threads started up? way back when? the defense SUCKED. now im not saying the D is fixed or even remotely close to being fixed but they didn't allow a single touchdown last week. how many personnel moves have there been since the beginning of the season? huh? one. just one. and that was when Dunta came back and made this D a competent UNIT. its not a bunch of individuals running around it's a team concept now. throw the checkbook at him. HE IS NOT REPLACEABLE.

Goldensilence
12-18-2008, 04:38 PM
I think you are misinterpreting what people are saying. No one that I saw was saying that Dunta was an average or below average corner pre-injury. What people were saying was that there are two types of corner: Coverage and Hard Hitting, and Dunta was the latter. He was always OK in coverage, but he's never been a real ball-hawking, cover corner kind of player. His strength was always his ability to lay the wood, play the run, and make a few key plays in coverage.

In terms of pure coverage ability, I dont think Dunta is better or was better than the guys you mentioned. In terms of tackling ability, he is no doubt better than many of them.

Do I think its worth it to keep Dunta around? Hell yes. Especially for his leadership and motivational abilities. He calls guys out and brings a toughness this team needs. But lets not get over sensitized to the fact that he isn't 100% yet. Thats all people are really saying

Pretty much sums up how I feel. He came back quickly from a really bad injury and while I want to say he'll be the SAME player before the injury I'm just not sure. I probably sound like a broken record but its really in both Dunta and the FO's best interest to get a one year deal with escalators that will increase the contract's value. What sucks is prior to his injury I am almost sure his contract would've been extended like Aj's.

Texanmike02
12-18-2008, 05:07 PM
i don't know if you realize this and if you do i don't understand why you haven't brought it up.

remember when the FIRE RICHARD SMITH threads started up? way back when? the defense SUCKED. now im not saying the D is fixed or even remotely close to being fixed but they didn't allow a single touchdown last week. how many personnel moves have there been since the beginning of the season? huh? one. just one. and that was when Dunta came back and made this D a competent UNIT. its not a bunch of individuals running around it's a team concept now. throw the checkbook at him. HE IS NOT REPLACEABLE.

This isn't quite accurate. I don't pretend to speak for anybody else but in the preseason I said that our DT play was horrible, our LB's had below average speed and we lacked the ability to cover people in the secondary. I felt like we needed to address two of the three to become a competant defense. As much as I like Daunta I think that what has really turned the defense around has been the play of our DT's like Robinson, our LB's like Adibi and of course Daunta's presence in the locker room.

I was crucified all season for saying that we didn't have the personnel on the field to make those plays. Unfortunately our "findings" have come because of injuries but while the "roster" hasn't changed over the course of the season, the depth chart certainly has. That said we don't really know WHAT the difference is. Is someone else calling the plays? Does the personnell out on the field allow him to make different play calls? Is it the players doing what they are told better? If your check isn't signed by Mr. Mcnair you probably don't know any more than I do. We're all making guesses at this point. Even Mr.'s Mcclain and In-Justice are just taking bits and trying to put together the truth. (Or something sensational if the truth wouldn't sell)

I'm taking nothing away from Daunta. He's a man and plays the game with as much tenacity and enthusiasm as anyone I've seen. He might not be an elite corner now and honestly, I don't know that he ever was a truely elite corner, but he is certainly in the top 10-15 corners in the league. His leadership probably ups his value to something close to an elite player however and I say we resign him provided it makes sense.



Mike

ChampionTexan
12-18-2008, 05:37 PM
i don't know if you realize this and if you do i don't understand why you haven't brought it up.

remember when the FIRE RICHARD SMITH threads started up? way back when? the defense SUCKED. now im not saying the D is fixed or even remotely close to being fixed but they didn't allow a single touchdown last week. how many personnel moves have there been since the beginning of the season? huh? one. just one. and that was when Dunta came back and made this D a competent UNIT. its not a bunch of individuals running around it's a team concept now. throw the checkbook at him. HE IS NOT REPLACEABLE.

What in the world do you consider a "personnel move"?

Since the start of the season, we've had changes at two of the three LB positions, both safety positions, and Deljuan Robinson has gotten a few starts on the line. These aren't just "on paper" changes - in some cases (Bentley for Diles), they were changes due to injury, and in other cases (Eugene Wilson in for Will Demps, and Adibi (until he got hurt) in for Greenwood), they were changes to the depth chart due to performance. Yeah - these guys were on the roster all along, but the playing time in virtually all cases changed significantly, so I find it mind boggling you can say the Dunta is the only personnel move that has been made.

El Tejano
12-19-2008, 10:13 AM
Here is the other thing you gotta like about Dunta. He hasn't been scared to say what he feels needs to be changed in order to make things happen, even if it is going to make him look bad because it is for the team. My examples:

When asked if it was time to move forward from David Carr, Dunta responded " I think it is", he got alot of criticism but David was cut, Schaub was obtained and now we have a way better offense.

When asked if there needs to be a change with the Texans - he said that something or somebody has to go because it was evident it wasn't working. Shortly after that, more blitzes called and a way more aggressive defense is showing up on Sunday's.

GP
12-19-2008, 10:54 AM
There's something to the idea of keeping a guy for his leadership skills.

Dunta exudes a warrior attitude: He has thoughtfuly things to say, he backs up his rhetoric with great on-the-field talent, and the team's morale drops when he's not in the game for extended periods of time. The guy is pure energy. He's got an "it" factor like Ray Lewis, or like Reggie White had.

The contract is an issue, more than ever, due to the really nasty injury. He has played for so long in Houston, I think he does a deal that pays him what he wants without killing our ability to spend in other areas of need.

If Houston lets him walk, without exhuasting all possible arrangements to make it a win-win for both parties, this fan base (at least the fans who live and breathe Texans football, such as all of us) will be very angry. I would understand if he was asking for the sun and the moon, but not if it comes down to Houston just trying to lowball the guy to save an extra buck or two.

Dunta Robinson might just be the real "face" of this team. AJ is AJ. Mario is Mario. But Dunta ignites the whole team: I even might go so far as to say that Dunta's offseason conditioning, rehab, and then him coming back to play at mid-season MIGHT have been what held this team together after our poor start. It MIGHT have been our saving grace, guys. Because I think the rest of the team sat there and saw him all off-season, all camp, and all this regular season, and it reminded them to never quit. Never.

We need a Dunta smiley, please.

Goatcheese
12-19-2008, 11:22 AM
I like D-Rob alot, but he is not an elite corner, and never has been.

There is a reason the Texans have played him at Right Corner, and Nickle most of his career.

I put him in the third tier of corners, with guys like Rashean Mathis, and Lito Sheppard. Those are good players, who's best years earn them probowl spots. They are not, in any way, shape, or form, elite, shutdown corners.

You can build all the alters you want, and worship Dunta all day, every day, but it's never going to make him something he isn't.

The Texans should resign him for what he's worth. If he demands Asante Samuels money, I'd rather they let him shop himself around, than panic and cave in.

:panic:

We need a Dunta smiley, please.

There is one.

WR after catching the ball near D-Rob: :lightning:

They get lit up.

nunusguy
12-19-2008, 11:27 AM
There's something to the idea of keeping a guy for his leadership skills.

Dunta exudes a warrior attitude: He has thoughtfuly things to say, he backs up his rhetoric with great on-the-field talent, and the team's morale drops when he's not in the game for extended periods of time. The guy is pure energy. He's got an "it" factor like Ray Lewis, or like Reggie White had.

The contract is an issue, more than ever, due to the really nasty injury. He has played for so long in Houston, I think he does a deal that pays him what he wants without killing our ability to spend in other areas of need.

If Houston lets him walk, without exhuasting all possible arrangements to make it a win-win for both parties, this fan base (at least the fans who live and breathe Texans football, such as all of us) will be very angry. I would understand if he was asking for the sun and the moon, but not if it comes down to Houston just trying to lowball the guy to save an extra buck or two.

Dunta Robinson might just be the real "face" of this team. AJ is AJ. Mario is Mario. But Dunta ignites the whole team: I even might go so far as to say that Dunta's offseason conditioning, rehab, and then him coming back to play at mid-season MIGHT have been what held this team together after our poor start. It MIGHT have been our saving grace, guys. Because I think the rest of the team sat there and saw him all off-season, all camp, and all this regular season, and it reminded them to never quit. Never.

We need a Dunta smiley, please.

I like what you say here GP. And there's one more thing that D-Robs got going for him - like the ole man, he's a Gamecock. And I'm not joking because I'm of the opinion that McNair, whether it's good or bad, is a sentimental man.

Hook'er
12-21-2008, 09:18 AM
............just sign him!:texflag:

steelbtexan
12-21-2008, 01:00 PM
i don't know if you realize this and if you do i don't understand why you haven't brought it up.

remember when the FIRE RICHARD SMITH threads started up? way back when? the defense SUCKED. now im not saying the D is fixed or even remotely close to being fixed but they didn't allow a single touchdown last week. how many personnel moves have there been since the beginning of the season? huh? one. just one. and that was when Dunta came back and made this D a competent UNIT. its not a bunch of individuals running around it's a team concept now. throw the checkbook at him. HE IS NOT REPLACEABLE.

New starters begining with the 2nd Indy game include

DeJaun Robinson
Adibi
Bentley
Ferguson
Wilson
Bulman isn't starting but is playing more than Weaver
DRob

I'm sorry to rain on fantasy land but half of our defense changed since the Indy game. We've gotten much better results.

We've gone from one of the worst defenses in NFL history to an average defense that is more agressive & gotten better results since the personel changes. I wish we would have made these changes in personel & philosophy earlier. We would be talking playoffs IMO.

steelbtexan
12-21-2008, 09:05 PM
JBZ

Today we got to see what a true shut down CB looks like.

He shut down AJ today.

Are you sure you wouldn't wont to pick up ASO if it meant losing DR?

If you answer no I will know Dunta's alias is JBZ.

junior
12-21-2008, 10:58 PM
Dunta has always been just below pro bowl level, so do you want to pay him pro bowl type money? Maybe. If he means that much to the defense then they will, but he also has to know that he has never been a pro bowler so if he asks for too much money then you have to let him sign with someone else. I like him but have never loved him, yeah it's great to see him lay the wood to somebody, but for his position it is far more important to be a guy like A. Glenn than R. Williams.

I know Williams is a safety but he played more like a linebacker than a safety, just like Robinson plays more like a safety than a corner.

TimeKiller
12-22-2008, 07:38 AM
Robinson plays more like a safety than a corner.

I think there is some kind of unwritten forum rule that you can't say "safety" and any form of "Dunta Robinson" in the same sentence. Shouldn't there be little stars or something?

Resigning Robinson puts us in a bind. I think Robinson always was and always will be a glorified #2 Cb. He shouldn't expect or get what the top 10 guys in the league are getting. He should be happy with a mid-level, incentive-laden, fair for both sides contract. Still one of the town's favorite footballers, don't put the team in a tough spot if you don't perform up to a ridiculous contract, putting yourself below the team will always have a positive effect on you as a leader which he claims to be.

Resign Dunta, make him play ******, sign Namdi Asomugha, draft another S mid/high round. Asomugha, Robinson, drafted Mays, Reeves sounds like a secondary capable of great things wereas Robinson, Ferguson, Wilson, Reeves/Bennett Rotation sounds like the crap we have.