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infantrycak
01-05-2005, 07:13 PM
OK for four months draftniks are going to prognisticate around here. One of the things that is most amusing IMO is the number of players that definitely won't be available when the Texans pick. To keep track of the amusement, if you see such a prediction quote it and stick it in this thread.

texansfan88
01-05-2005, 07:29 PM
Any Derrick Johnson Thread

texan279
01-05-2005, 07:30 PM
Sean Tayl...oh wait...nevermind.... :hairpull:

texansfan88
01-05-2005, 07:35 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=71325#post71325

From the man who brought you the Sean Taylor show, BuffSoldier, what a joke

BuffSoldier
01-05-2005, 07:39 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=71325#post71325

From the man who brought you the Sean Taylor show, BuffSoldier, what a joke

WOW, :loser didnt I just post that like 2 seconds ago, and if you actually took the time to read the whole thing then you would have noticed that I said I dont see him falling that far and really wanted one of the top O-Linemen in the draft.

My whole point was that I was amazed that these so called experts had DJ falling that far on a mock draft, so if youre gonna talk mess then know what youre talking about. :listening

infantrycak
01-05-2005, 11:29 PM
Now let's keep this lighthearted folks. This is meant for the amusement of watching a list of 25 people that definitely will be gone before the Texans get to the table.

And to give Buff some credit, his post about DJ was kind of the opposite--more hey some people say he may fall to #13, not we have to trade up to get him because he will definitely be gone.

jacquescas
01-06-2005, 01:36 AM
Mike Williams, Antrelle Rolle, Matt Lienart will all be gone by 13.

texasguy346
01-06-2005, 07:52 AM
Mike Nugent won't be available at #13. He will go #1 or #2 overall! Then shortly there after his uncle :coolb: Ted Nugent :bguitar: will go around #11 or #12.
:banana:

hou059
01-06-2005, 09:11 AM
Derrick Johnson, Mike Williams, Braylon Edwards and D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Those guys will have been long gone! :BananaWav

Mistril48
01-06-2005, 02:09 PM
I think this will be a difficult year to predict who will be gone by 13th, because of the number of highly ranked RBs. Rbs usually tumble down the draft boards, but there are several top RBs this year.

hou059
01-06-2005, 02:11 PM
Top 3 are Cedric Benson and Williams and Brown. Everyone else will be second round picks. I see all three backs going 1st round!

Mistril48
01-06-2005, 02:27 PM
Cedric Benson and Williams and Brown... I see all three backs going 1st round!Yes, but how many in top 13.

hou059
01-06-2005, 02:43 PM
Honestly, I see all three of them going. Benson to Miami, Cadillac to Tampa Bay and Ronnie Brown to Oakland.

texasguy346
01-06-2005, 03:35 PM
I think Oakland will address their need for a RB before the draft. I think they'll seek a trade for Travis Henry. They already have the big pounder back, and they have a speedy 3rd down type back in Fargas. Henry would bring the best of both worlds. Behind the Raiders OLine he could be even more productive than he was in Buffalo. Their head coach is familiar with Henry and what he can do since he was OCoordinator for the Dolphins and he saw Henry twice a year.

Fiddy
01-06-2005, 04:14 PM
Honestly, I see all three of them going. Benson to Miami, Cadillac to Tampa Bay and Ronnie Brown to Oakland.Maybe but you forget that last year, Jackson was projected top 10 and fell to 24 or something like that. And the year before, McGahee was the first back selected around 21...and he was just coming off major knee surgery. But this draft class is weak so I dont know...

hou059
01-06-2005, 04:29 PM
Maybe but you forget that last year, Jackson was projected top 10 and fell to 24 or something like that. And the year before, McGahee was the first back selected around 21...and he was just coming off major knee surgery. But this draft class is weak so I dont know...

This class is so much more strong than the class of last year. More teams need running backs and as far as the Raiders going after Henry, I don't think so. He is overrated and has a problem holding on to the ball. The Raiders need a feature back. I don't think Henry is the answer.

Fiddy
01-06-2005, 04:34 PM
This class is so much more strong than the class of last year. More teams need running backs and as far as the Raiders going after Henry, I don't think so. He is overrated and has a problem holding on to the ball. The Raiders need a feature back. I don't think Henry is the answer.You think this entire draft class is better then last years draft class??? Dang. Cause if it was, I guarantee that 3 RBs dont go in the top 10...

hou059
01-06-2005, 04:35 PM
Just speaking in reagrds to the running backs in this years class.

Fiddy
01-06-2005, 04:38 PM
Just speaking in reagrds to the running backs in this years class.Okay, nevermind then...

Mistril48
01-06-2005, 04:39 PM
... But this draft class is weak ...I'm curious what you mean by this. It seems to me that while it is weaker than the last few drafts in some areas, it seems stronger in others. For example, I would say it seems like there are better LBs and RBs for earlier picks than in the past few years. Also, I would argue that the strength of the draft is dramatically affected by the Jrs who come out and we're still awaiting on final word on some.

Mistril48
01-06-2005, 04:44 PM
It would be great for the Texans if:
-2 or 3 QBs;
-2 WRs; and
-2 or 3 RBs went in the top 13, assuming the Texans hope to go defense.
Last year, we got the 3rd defensive players, although we drafted 10th.

Nawzer
01-06-2005, 05:39 PM
One thing about the draft is that you can never tell. Someone's stock might rise and fall a lot before the draft. For example, remember last year when there was talk of us drafting Tommie Harris? And Tommie's stock fell a lot last year even though he's been a solid player for the Bears this season. Then there was Kenechi Udeze, another possibility for us las year, but his stock fell too. I never heard of Dunta Robinson until a few days before the draft but his stock (luckily for us) shot all the way up! What I'm trying to say is that a few months from now some of these names we are familiar with like Derrick Johnson, Cedric Benson, C. Williams, Pollack etc., may emerge as players who might not be drafted as high as we think they will be right now.

Blake
01-06-2005, 05:47 PM
Should be taken list: "Should"

QB Aaron Rodgers
QB Matt Leinart (If he enters)
RB Cedric Benson
WR Mike Williams
OT D'brickShaw Ferguson (if he enters)
OT Alex Barron
CB Antrel Rolle
OLB Derrick Johnson

Should be available: "Should"

WR Braylon Edwards
SS David Thomas
DT Rodrique Wright
OLB Ahmad Brooks (If he enters)

beerlover
01-09-2005, 01:05 AM
lets see who won't be available @ #13 :confused:
Matt Leinart
Aaron Rodgers
Antrell Rolle
Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams
Braylon Edwards
Alex Barron
Cedric Benson
Erasmus James
Cadillac Williams
Thomas Davis
Marcus McNeal

bigcarlos
01-09-2005, 08:23 PM
Ourlads says that once the juniors declare, Benson will be a second/third round choice. Both Auburn RBs: Williams and Brown are projected ahead of Benson right now.


I doubt that. Cedric goes top 5, possibly #2 overall. If he dropped, we should take him :jumpbanan

Blake
01-10-2005, 11:47 AM
I think Benson goes higher than brown or Williams.

Errant Hothy
01-10-2005, 11:59 AM
It's pretty safe to say that Rodrick Wright won't be available at 13 or at 1 for that matter. While it's not offical, just about everybody expects him to return to Austin.

infantrycak
01-10-2005, 09:58 PM
DJ, Edwards, and Williams will not be available at #13

Antrell Rolle will be gone by 13

This is really what I meant for this thread--quotes from other threads with definitive statements of who won't be available.

So far:

Derrick Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Antrell Rolle

wags
01-11-2005, 12:19 AM
OK for four months draftniks are going to prognisticate around here. One of the things that is most amusing IMO is the number of players that definitely won't be available when the Texans pick. To keep track of the amusement, if you see such a prediction quote it and stick it in this thread.

Is it amusing only up until draft day? When "player A" is indeed chosen before the 13th pick, does it cease to be amusing?

I don't think there will be a list of twenty five this year. You might need a few "Shaun Cody will be gone" statements to make that number happen.

BTW, you can't use Shaun Cody in your list.

Marcus
01-12-2005, 01:10 AM
I think that Alex Smith, the QB from Utah, will be in the top 10 by draft day. Laugh at me now, But I think it's going to happen. This kid has what it takes from the neck up, and I think he might be taken before Aaron Rogers.

Nawzer
01-12-2005, 02:58 PM
I think Alex Smith's performance against Pittsburgn will also put him in the top 10 too. The guy has great mobitlity, strong and accurate arm. He's a smart guy too. On the other hand Rogers' might fall a bit after his team's performance against Texas Tech.

Vinny
01-12-2005, 04:01 PM
:jumpbananWhat are the chances of us getting Mike Williams in the draft?

Lloyd: "like 1 in a hundred?"

Mary: "More like 1 in a million"

Lloyd: "So your tellin me theres a chance!"

But seriously. Dont bank on him being there past #5.

infantrycak
01-12-2005, 04:54 PM
OK for a recap to date:

Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams
Antrelle Rolle
Matt Leinart
Braylon Edwards
D'Brickshaw Ferguson*--may be a non-factor
Cedric Benson
Cadillac Williams
Ronnie Brown
Alex Barron
Aaron Rodgers
Erasmus James
Thomas Davis
Marcus McNeal
Alex Smith

15 so far and the draft talk has just started.

From other threads:


DJ, Edwards, and Williams will not be available at #13


Antrell Rolle will be gone by 13

texasguy346
01-12-2005, 05:19 PM
What? No Nugent?

wags
01-13-2005, 03:07 PM
Marcus McNeil decided to return to school after receiving a third round grade from the advisory committee.

http://www.draftshowcase.com/underclassmen.htm

Vinny
01-13-2005, 04:27 PM
Yeah, that's why I don't like talking draft in absolute terms too much until the Sr bowl and close to the combine. We will have a better idea how these guys grade out to the scouts soon. Until then most of these internet draft sites are not real accurate early on. They will all change their draft boards in another month or so.

YoungTexanFan
01-14-2005, 10:18 PM
as of right now i can see mike williams and alex barron availiable. i dont think they will impress at the combine. i dont think williams is a sensable option. bensons stock should fall, and without a team as stupid as miami he would probally be available for us....but i dont want him and we shouldnt even consider him. thomas davis right now is looking to be picked up by the lions.
matt leinhart will not be available until next year
alex smith will be the first quarterback taken.
for that crazy guy w/the mike nuegent post, he will be a third to fourth round pick, great upside.

texasguy346
01-15-2005, 01:07 AM
for that crazy guy w/the mike nuegent post, he will be a third to fourth round pick, great upside.

Yeah the Nugent post is intended as a joke. Mostly because I heard a few people on the Bills MB wanting to take him with their 2nd round pick, and for the Bills that will be there first pick of the draft unless they trade up into the first round.

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 07:06 PM
Gotta love such certainty:

he's going #4 to the Bears but if by chance which he wont that he'd slip to 13, he would be taken b/c he'd be head and shoulders above everyone else

threetoedpete
01-23-2005, 11:33 PM
It's pretty safe to say that Rodrick Wright won't be available at 13 or at 1 for that matter. While it's not offical, just about everybody expects him to return to Austin.
Back to MackBrown-TexasFootball.com - The Official Home of Texas Football
1/14/05

Rod Wright and Michael Huff Press Conference Transcript

Rod Wright
Opening remarks:
First of all, Id like to thank everybody for coming out. Id like to thank god for even having a decision of this magnitude. Id like to thank my family, friends, coaches and all my teammates that helped me with this decision. Id also like to thank coach [Mike] Tolleson, he really made me a man and the best player I could be. My goal for this team this year was to be the best that we can be. We won the Rose Bowl and it was a dream for all of us. I feel I have reached my peak and I have decided to take my talent to the next level ... Ok, Im just joking. Im staying another year.

On what went in to making his decision:
First off, it really dawned on me that coming back for my senior year would be priceless. I feel like I could have trained and competed to be the #1 defensive tackle taken, but it really dawned on me that if I leave, I would never see some of the faces that I would see in my senior season. I also thought about being in some cold city by myself watching this [Texas] team win a national championship and so I really felt that I needed to come back and help the team do that.

dun deal

NoBullTexan
01-24-2005, 05:31 PM
Weaker, in the sense that it is not in the same class as last years, it isn't weak either. There are some decent down the road OL, a pretty good crop of LBs and DBs, and in the second tier there are some RBs that stand a chance of being good ones. After all DD was a 4th rounder and looke what he has done.

While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.

nunusguy
01-26-2005, 09:31 AM
I also thought about being in some cold city by myself watching this [Texas] team win a national championship and so I really felt that I needed to come back and help the team do that.

Yea Rod, you might be in some cold city like Buffalo or Clevland, but you'd be
rich and cold. And this is a weak draft in general and weak in DTs in particular. You could buy some expensive digs in Texas (or South Fl), with
that big bonus you got in the 2005 draft and spend a nice, warm, toasty
winter in that new pad after the season is over. Or you can stay on another
year, blow your knee out, maybe get picked in the third round after the Sooners embarass you guys again.

infantrycak
01-26-2005, 09:51 AM
While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.

Can we rely on that one last complaint thing?

Vinny
01-26-2005, 11:36 AM
While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.You really ought to learn his name, It's Babin, not Babbin. I see you type this over and over on both HPF and here. The Titans did so well with their picks that they ended up the 27th best defense in the league plugging in dogs like Odom, and LaBoy falling from the 12th best defense the year before. It was fun watching them get steamrolled play after play last season. Starks plays behind Hainsworth and dropped to the third round due to character issues, he may be a player long term...but guys who carry the lazy label or have character issues may not prove out long term. I still like Troupe but he is dumb as a rock and had a hard time figuring out the Titans playbook last year. We will see how these guys turn out long term, but Babin had a year that pretty much matched Mike Vrabel's. Kevin Greene didn't get his 17th sack until his 4th year in the league. Im not convinced we got the bad end of this deal.

Blake
01-26-2005, 11:47 AM
It also annoys me when people pronounce it Bay-bin, instead of Bah-bin.

TexasJedi
01-26-2005, 12:08 PM
It also annoys me when people pronounce it Bay-bin, instead of Bah-bin.

Yep, that annoys me everytime Al Michaels does it on Madden '05. "And Bay-bin makes the tackle for a loss."

nunusguy
01-27-2005, 12:54 PM
While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.
I think Babin ended up having a good rookie year, but make no mistake about
it, if the Titans said this afternoon they'd trade us Troupe, Starks, & Bo Schobel for Babin, I'd jump on that deal so fast your head would swim. How
bad do we need a "real", 2-way TE right now (and last year) - we need one real bad. Right now our great hope for TE is Joppru, and we know how unreliable that source has been. And as far as Starks goes, he just turned 21 years old last month, which means he is barely out of his teens and does
still have a long process to maturation, in more ways than one. But like TE,
we desperately need help at DT and last I heard, we are a younger type team wanting to develope young talent for the long-term. And Schobel, I think he was injured his rookie year, but did have some upside as 3-4 OLB
and special teams.
Hey Babin done good this year, but the Titans did a lot better than
that last April in their draft day trade with the Texans.

beerlover
01-27-2005, 01:18 PM
actually my fellow Texan fans the high price paid is more of a reflection of making the 3-4 system work than direct value of said player (Babin). the Texans where desperate for a OLB who fit the scheme & felt another year without a legit starter would impede future progress. this coming year Babin should be terrific, with at least one more quality starter added via the draft & possibly free agency I think you'll see his numbers reflect more productivity warranting his selection. with the 1st pick this year I would not be screaming mad if the Texans went OLB with Dan Cody or Shawne Merriman & this would reflect a higher price than paid for Babin (27th or all those prospects).

the one point that does hurt some of us who treasure the drafting of OUR picks is that it took the fun away from us with not being able to follow those picks, but thats strictly for entertainment value only. :mag:

Marcus
01-29-2005, 11:55 AM
. . .the one point that does hurt some of us who treasure the drafting of OUR picks is that it took the fun away from us with not being able to follow those picks, but thats strictly for entertainment value only. :mag:

Boy, you got that one right! I frankly am a little amazed how infatuated some people are with the draft, to the point to where the line is clearly crossed over into the area of unhealthy obsession.

What's really funny, it's not who the Texans draft or not draft, it is whether OUR picks get drafted or not. Well, count on the fact that Casserly is not going play by OUR rules, so take it for granted that WE are going to be disappointed. This year, just like last year. And heaven forbid, God help us all if Casserly trades away OUR beloved picks. Well, it might ruin OUR day.

And since some of US actually regard the NFL draft has being more important than the actual NFL playing season, or even life itself . . . then maybe WE are getting exactly what WE deserve. :soapbox:

Honoring Earl 34
01-29-2005, 05:02 PM
:howdy: Texas guy I'd take Ted Nugent at 13. If he plays stranglehold before the game and at halftime we can't lose. Usaully slips happen because of a panic reaction from guys drafting for a position and not the best player.

texansfan4life
01-30-2005, 06:33 PM
the texans will be crazy not to take a running back in this draft

beerlover
02-03-2005, 08:11 AM
here is my best guess to date who will be gone by #13

Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Antrell Rolle
Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams
Braylon Edwards
Alex Barron
Cedric Benson
Erasmus James
Cadillac Williams
Thomas Davis
Marcus Spears


updated list as of 2-3-05

Meloy
02-15-2005, 03:09 PM
Top 3 are Cedric Benson and Williams and Brown. Everyone else will be second round picks. I see all three backs going 1st round!
Personally, I hope all three go in top 12 as someone we can use may go at 13. DD as our starter with a back up to save him a few carries is ok by me. :howdy:

Blake
02-15-2005, 03:15 PM
updated list as of 2-3-05

I think we are plugging in BPA when we make these "gone before 13" lists, when actually alot of teams will take on need as well. Just an observation.

Vinny
02-15-2005, 08:07 PM
This kind of stuff knocks players down from primo money slots in the draft... Oh, and another thingRolle is a total knucklehead. Going into the season, he was suspended for battery on a police officer. The charges were dropped, and Rolle played all year, but NFL teams dont like guys who get charged with hitting cops, no matter how great they are because the likelihood of more stupid stunts to follow is troubling.
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/players/CB/rolle-a.html

Lucky
02-15-2005, 08:28 PM
...but NFL teams dont like guys who get charged with hitting cops...
This is another reason why I'm always questioning what these internet scouts say. They could have looked up the truth about Rolle's incident (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2001995350_digs03.html) as easily as I did.
Charges dropped against Miami's Rolle: Miami cornerback Antrel Rolle won't be tried for allegedly striking a police officer, and was reinstated to the team.

Hurricanes coach Larry Coker had indefinitely suspended Rolle after his arrest.

"I am extremely pleased that there has been a positive resolution to the issue," Coker said in a statement.

Assistant State Attorney Michael Grieco said that while the arrest was "valid," Rolle's "post-arrest contrition and lack of criminal history" led to the decision to drop the case. The physical contact between Rolle and the officer was "merely incidental," Grieco said.

Rolle whose father is chief of police in nearby Homestead, Fla. also participated in an ride-along session with Miami-Dade County police "during active nightlife hours," gaining an appreciation for officers' work, Grieco said.

According to a police complaint, Rolle was involved in a fight in a street near campus earlier this month and resisted arrest, cursing and swinging his arms in an attempt to free himself and forcing officers to call for backup help.

Along with the felony charge, Rolle was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting an officer without violence, both misdemeanors.

NFL teams will interview Rolle and determine what kind of guy he is. I can't see this having an impact on too many teams boards. Maybe the Raiders might move Rolle up a few spots.

beerlover
03-01-2005, 06:02 PM
updated post NFL Combine- less QB's & RB's (-5)

1. Derrick Johnson
2. Mike Williams
3. Antrell Rolle
4. Alex Barron
5. Adam Pac-Man Jones
6. Braylon Edwards
7. Thomas Davis
8. Shawne Merriman
9. Marcus Spears
10. Jammal Brown
11. Troy Williamson
12. Justin Miller
13. David Pollack

subtracting the 5 picks, 5 players near the end of the list should be available for the Texans/Casserly to choose from. would y'all be happy with those :)

Vinny
03-01-2005, 06:23 PM
I think I have come to the conclusion that nobody will be available at the 13th pick. :cool:

Honoring Earl 34
03-01-2005, 06:49 PM
:thumbup Come on Vinny your just hitting the wall push through it . How far did the Hampton WR move up by running so well ? Ronnie Brown I think is now top a 3 pick . I think the QBs are not so good that they won't be bumped . Are RBs cheaper at #1 than QBs ,cause the 49ers need alot of help and it does not seem like they have any takers for the first pick ?

infantrycak
03-01-2005, 10:05 PM
Are RBs cheaper at #1 than QBs ,cause the 49ers need alot of help and it does not seem like they have any takers for the first pick ?

Pretty much no--that is why you don't see many TE's, safeties or kickers/punters as top draft picks. The salary for their draft spot would put them in excess of the salaries for the best players at their positions already in the league.

Dionysus22
03-02-2005, 10:26 PM
Personally, I hope all three go in top 12 as someone we can use may go at 13. DD as our starter with a back up to save him a few carries is ok by me. :howdy:

Did we forget about Tony Hollings? He was great until he got hurt. And Jonathan Wells wasn't exactly the recking ball we all hoped but he was good enough to handle the load and give DD a breather from time to time.

I think we learn enough from past years that stacking one position doesn't really make things better. Case in point, Our TE situation. I still believe Billy Miller is our guy. But backing him up with a guy who hasn't played a down of ball in two years because he's always hurt or a guy who is way past his prime and his considered a "Blocking" TE yet we keep putting him out on routes. Is it me or does that seem like it doesn't make any sense?

infantrycak
03-04-2005, 05:11 PM
From WildBlackBear32

To be blunt...it's pretty bad...

-No way DJ drops to 13.
-No way Marcus Johnson is the first OL off the board.
-No way Barron drops out of the top 15.
-The Pats drafted Wilfork last year, don't think they are gonna take another DT.

These are just at a quick glance..

I wish I had some of last year's comments so we could compare them, like:

No way Randy Starks drops out of the 1st round.
No way Wilfork drops out of the top 20.
Detroit drafted Charles Rogers last year, don't think they are gonna take another WR.

dirty steve
03-04-2005, 05:14 PM
the pats did take ben gordon and daniel graham in consecutive years, didn't they? the fact that they run both a 3-4 and 4-3 prolly puts a premium on DT. maybe they will go after a WR with patten in washington now.

DRIFTAWAY
03-13-2005, 06:41 PM
Its starting to look as if DJ wont be available

edo783
03-13-2005, 07:04 PM
Its starting to look as if DJ wont be available

???? When did it ever look like he would be available to us at 13? Or are you J/K?

D-ReK
03-21-2005, 03:34 PM
Rolle, Merriman, Spears, Barron, Johnson, Pac-Man, Benson, C. Williams, Benson, Brown, Edwards, M. Williams wont be there are 13.

Just figured I'd add in what I saw in another thread...

Nawzer
03-21-2005, 03:52 PM
A couple of those guys might be there considering Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers will go within the first 10 picks. A couple of these guys will fall and I think Benson and Pac-Man maybe be available for us. Merriman may fall to us too. So I think we'll have 2 or 3 of the supposed top 10 players available.

D-ReK
03-21-2005, 03:58 PM
I still say only two RBs will go before 13 and one will fall...Everything I've seen has the three rated very similarly, so based on how well each RB would fit in each system, I say Benson will fall to us...I'm not too sure if we'd take him though...

outofhnd
03-23-2005, 04:04 AM
Boy how this is going to change over the next month. As needs and rumors begin circulating.

At this point my mind has completely been blown thinking about the draft.

:bag:

beerlover
03-23-2005, 04:52 AM
please don't let it blow your mind, here is my updated list of who will not be available @ 13-

1. Mike Williams
2. Braylon Edwards
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Cedric Benson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Alex Smith
7. Antrell Rolle
8. Carnell Williams
9. Derrick Johnson
10. Shawne Merriman

this is clearly the top 10 group of NFL prospects, after that it becomes too close to call before the Texans pick, so I'm going to leave it at that, everyone else is fair game.

Xman
03-23-2005, 01:48 PM
1. Mike Williams
2. Braylon Edwards
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Cedric Benson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Alex Smith
7. Antrell Rolle
8. Carnell Williams
9. Derrick Johnson
10. Shawne Merriman
11. "Pac Man" Jones

EVERYONE seems to agree on the top 11 above - even if a few mocks interject another player or two in that forces one of them down to #13.

Now, we just hope that a few teams do the same thing. That Dallas decides it has to have Cody at #10 and Detroit or Washington take CRogers because Rolle and Jones are gone and they really want a CB - not that is the scenario I am predicting but that is what we need to happen.

Usually, about one or two weeks before the draft, between one and three players shoot up the rankings.

Let's just hope that James/SCody/DCody/Spears/CRogers/Williamson/HMiller or someone else slides up a few spots - leaving us one of those top 11. Then we take him - ragardless of position (except for QB which will be gone anyway).

Last year - PRivers, Hall and Dunta shot up the charts just before the draft (they were highly ranked but not considered top 10 until about a week before the draft). The same thing will happen this year. At least on the DL will shoot up and maybe a CB - Just wait and see.

infantrycak
03-23-2005, 11:44 PM
Merriman won't be there at 13 (you can paste this is the "won't be there at 13 thread)

That speaks for itself.

Mr Shush
03-24-2005, 07:06 AM
If Benson fell I'd take him like a shot . . . unless someone else wanted to trade up to take him. And let's face it, they would.

D-ReK
03-24-2005, 10:29 AM
Who would trade up and take him? Carolina?

D-ReK
04-03-2005, 03:28 PM
I know a lot of people dont think that we should draft Barron, but I think if he falls to us and DJ, Rolle, and Pac-Man are gone(which they will be) then Barron is probably the BPA

Taken from the Rob Rang mock thread...

D-ReK
04-04-2005, 11:59 PM
Alex Smith won't be available at 13, so why would Green Bay have an incentive to trade up?

Figured I'd keep this thread moving...

D-ReK
04-14-2005, 03:52 PM
I don't think Spears falls to 13.

Keeping the thread moving...

DocBar
04-16-2005, 11:21 AM
I really hope the Texans don't use #13 on Barron. Just because he's the highest rated O-lineman in THIS draft doesn't mean he's a miracle cure for the team. Left tackle is one of, if not THE, hardest positions to play and it is even moreso for rookies in need of attitudinal adjustments. :loser
We'd be better off trading up for LB Johnson or trading down for a tweener or best available. I would like to see us pick up a good RB on day 2 so we have insurance against DD's annual injury bug.

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 11:28 AM
Depending on who you talk to, some think Barron isn't even the top rated OT in this draft...Our O-Line coach was allegedly "drooling" over Khalif Barnes at his pro day...On the flip side of this, in an interview on ESPN 790, Casserly said that Barron could easily step in and make an impact here from day one...Let's just hope that was a smokescreen...

DocBar
04-16-2005, 11:45 AM
Depending on who you talk to, some think Barron isn't even the top rated OT in this draft...Our O-Line coach was allegedly "drooling" over Khalif Barnes at his pro day...On the flip side of this, in an interview on ESPN 790, Casserly said that Barron could easily step in and make an impact here from day one...Let's just hope that was a smokescreen...
I've heard that Barnes is better from a variety of sources. He may be, but there are still no real "blue chippers" in this draft on the O-line.I wouldn't expect Casserly to say anything different, especially when we may end up drafting the guy. I think our line will improve a great deal just from staying together as a unit. Wand is a HUGE man and is still pretty raw. He must have an upside or why move Pitts to LG after we dropped to 36 sacks in '03? Remember Dallas' O-line in the early 90's? I think we have that potential. Draft big on "D" in the 1st round. THAT'S where we need more help. I hope the linebacker corps will have more of a killer instinct this year with all the changes we've made. Maybe we'll get lucky with #13 and get another shutdown corner to compliment Robinson in a year or two. Kinda hard to figure LB's with all the tweeners. Lots of potential, but fewer garuantees.
They need to add spellcheck on here. LOL idonno:

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 12:29 PM
If anything, we should give up less sacks this season because of Carr having more 3 step drops with the receivers running timing routes, much like what happened in 2003...Either Cass or Capers, can't remember which, confessed that we brought Wand in a year to early and that he hadn't yet developed the technique or strength to handle top NFL DEs, but I think with a year of experience under his belt and another offseason in the Texans conditioning program, he should he much improvement next year...

The main thing our D needs is a solid pass rush, and I could see us using our 1st rounder on an OLB in an attempt to improve that...Our D should have more of a killer instinct with Peek on the field full time, since he's our most intense and feared player on D...I think getting a CB would be an ok idea, but Glenn has at least two quality years left in the tank and we gave Faggins a pretty good contract this offseason, so I can't really see us taking a 1st round CB unless Rolle were to somehow slip to us...

infantrycak
04-22-2005, 01:01 AM
BMW will go WAY WAY WAY before edwards.

OK this one didn't actually say before 13, but c'mon, the certainty just begged for addition here.

infantrycak
04-22-2005, 01:23 AM
For an up to date recap on the won't be available at #13 players (drum roll please...):

Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams
Antrelle Rolle
Matt Leinart (now I am going to have to give this guy kudos)
Braylon Edwards
D'Brickshaw Ferguson (another Nostradamus--OK enough of the did not declared folks)
Cedric Benson
Cadillar Williams
Ronnie Brown
Aaron Rodgers
Alex Barron
Erasmus James
Thomas Davis
Alex Smith
Pac-Man Jones
Shawne Merriman
Demarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Troy Williamson

Less than I expected, but that is 17 (Wags wins, less than 25--sheesh never heard of hyperbole), but nonetheless, the Texans should have their choice of 5 won't be available at #13 players.

wags
04-22-2005, 01:33 AM
Do I get any bonus points if my picks go before thirteen? Johnson, Williams, and Edwards.

Hyperbole? Is that something that ridilin can help?

infantrycak
04-22-2005, 01:56 AM
Hyperbole? Is that something that ridilin can help?

Gee, I don't know--I'll have to look that up, well but first I have to wash the dog, I mean well speaking of washing, I need to powerwash the house, and then figure out my mock draft, but wait I could mock something or someone first, and I need to go pick up that prescription but nah, that can wait until after I redo the list in this thread on Saturday morning because I am sure there will be at least 200 players not available by then.