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CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2008, 07:37 AM
This morning on ESPN's M&M in the Morning. They laid acolades on the Mario draft pick as a difference maker. They essentially skipped VY except to say....what needs to be said about that pick so far?

As far as the Bush pick in comparison, they pointed out that Bush is turning out to be a 3rd down/ receiving back with limited return ability. They pointed out that the Saints picked up an undrafted RB Pierre Thomas for a $5000 signing bonus who in the last 3 games has looked like Sayers compared to the production of Busch.

More and more recognition has gone to the wisdom of the Mario pick. Mario has established himself as a Man among many Man-want-to-be's.

Thorn
12-16-2008, 08:05 AM
It goes without saying that a lot of folks had the wrong opinion at the time of that draft. Including yours truely, an ex-VY supporter.

However, it also goes without saying that those three players careers aren't over yet and football history hasn't written their final chapter yet. We shall see. Personally, I'm glad we took Mario as we needed defensive help more than we needed offensive help, which is still the case. LOL

nero THE zero
12-16-2008, 08:37 AM
:yawn:

This topic is so old it's not even interesting anymore. Yes we know we made the right decision. Yes we know Mario is by far and away the best player out of the three.

nunusguy
12-16-2008, 09:17 AM
:yawn:

This topic is so old it's not even interesting anymore. Yes we know we made the right decision. Yes we know Mario is by far and away the best player out of the three.

That's all true, the whole thing became very redundant sometime ago, but I still enjoy kicking it around a bit. Much more to do with Bush than VY.
But today is different: as flawed as the Pro-Bowl selection process, if Mario is in fact named to the AFC team it will represent a form of confirmation and really retribution to for the Mario selection by the Texans. Now I know that VY went to Honolulu his rookie year, but that was as an alternate/substitute as I recall ? Not the same thing.

Seņor Stan
12-16-2008, 09:21 AM
The reason that I am the most happy about the way the draft turned out is that Reggie is on another team.

IF he had been drafted by Houston and was putting up similar numbers to what he is now all we would be hearing is how the Texans were RUINING Reggie Bush. We would be hearing "Poor Reggie" ad nauseum.

As it is, he is what he is on a team with an established history (Duece) of running back success. Adding the non-drafted free agent Pierre to the mix is an exclamation point. These are the only reasons that Reggie is being exposed as a third down back at best by the national media.

That, and we wouldn't have Mario. It can't be stated strongly enough what cojones it took for a rookie head coach to go against the grain of popular opinion like this.

Malloy
12-16-2008, 09:29 AM
Hehe, when Bush is released we should consider picking him up, as a compliment to Slaton :)

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2008, 09:46 AM
Hehe, when Bush is released we should consider picking him up, as a compliment to Slaton :)


That's actually a scarey thought......Have you ever noticed Bush in pass blocking situations?...........He might as well be rolling out a red carpet.

Mr teX
12-16-2008, 09:52 AM
It goes without saying that a lot of folks had the wrong opinion at the time of that draft. Including yours truely, an ex-VY supporter.

However, it also goes without saying that those three players careers aren't over yet and football history hasn't written their final chapter yet. We shall see. Personally, I'm glad we took Mario as we needed defensive help more than we needed offensive help, which is still the case. LOL

So...how long have u been sober & off the VY koolaid?

Malloy
12-16-2008, 10:16 AM
That's actually a scarey thought......Have you ever noticed Bush in pass blocking situations?...........He might as well be rolling out a red carpet.

Bush does not look too bothered with pass protection which is too bad, he would have made a fine 3rd down back. :)

Thorn
12-16-2008, 10:19 AM
So...how long have u been sober & off the VY koolaid?

For quite a while now. LOL

Mike Kerns
12-16-2008, 11:29 AM
For quite a while now. LOL

As am I, from my Reggie hangover. But I openly admitted I was wrong and ate crow last season.

DiehardChris
12-16-2008, 11:51 AM
I'm a firm believer in building the O-line and D-line before anything else - that said, I wanted Bush as well... BUT I wasn't pissed when they didn't take him. If it wasn't going to be Bush, I wanted it to be D'Brick Ferguson or Mario. If it had been anyone but those three, I would have been angry.

Admittedly, I was hard on Mario in his rookie year. I had no idea the plantar fascitis thing was limiting him as much as it was. I guess I just looked at it as an excuse. Man, was I wrong.

For all the crap he went through, and all the class he handled it with - Mario IS my favorite player in the NFL.

Mailman
12-16-2008, 12:05 PM
Bush does not look too bothered with pass protection which is too bad, he would have made a fine 3rd down back. :)

Fourth-round pick Neon Leon Washington is better than Bush.

BigBull17
12-16-2008, 12:38 PM
Fourth-round pick Neon Leon Washington is better than Bush.

As is 3rd round pick Steve Slaton

DiehardChris
12-16-2008, 12:40 PM
As is 3rd round pick Steve Slaton

Indeed. I've been doing a Bush vs Slaton comparison on my site all year - but at this point it's like comparing Schaub to Sage, or for that matter - Schaub to Carr. It's kind of a waste because it's obvious who the better player is, but I like to rub it in. :D

Mailman
12-16-2008, 12:45 PM
As is 3rd round pick Steve Slaton

My point was that Leon Washington came from the same draft class.

ObsiWan
12-16-2008, 12:52 PM
Hehe, when Bush is released we should consider picking him up, as a compliment to Slaton :)

Actually, I'm hoping we can find us a Pierre Thomas.

GlassHalfFull
12-16-2008, 01:45 PM
So...how long have u been sober & off the VY koolaid?

For quite a while now. LOL

That is really a two part question. I am assuming the answer to part b is longer than part a.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1074967&highlight=drunk+thread#post1074967

Thorn
12-16-2008, 01:51 PM
That is really a two part question. I am assuming the answer to part b is longer than part a.



I think your assumption there is fairly accurate. LOL

TexansFanatic
12-16-2008, 01:57 PM
I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.

But I don't know that I'll ever be more wrong about something than I was about Mario. He is a beast. He is a game changer. He is among the very best players in the NFL at any position.

The other two guys at the top of that draft? It's not even close.

threetoedpete
12-16-2008, 03:31 PM
It goes without saying that a lot of folks had the wrong opinion at the time of that draft. Including yours truely, an ex-VY supporter.

However, it also goes without saying that those three players careers aren't over yet and football history hasn't written their final chapter yet. We shall see. Personally, I'm glad we took Mario as we needed defensive help more than we needed offensive help, which is still the case. LOL

We'll we could of been wrong too about VY. He had to over come the throwing motion. He had a top flight QB coach and an owner in is hip pocket. All he had to do was change. He couldn't do it. Lot of coaches had him befor Norm Chow....wonder how many lived with the bad to get the good ? All you had to do was stick the Baylor and Oklahoma state cds in and a blind man could see it. One of the greatest college QBs to ever play the game, no doubt. He couldn't change. Not too late. I don't think Vincent is the kind of guy to ever admit he needs help. Or he's wrong. He's bowed his neck up at every coach he's ever had. It's a shame too.

Ckw
12-16-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm a firm believer in building the O-line and D-line before anything else - that said, I wanted Bush as well... BUT I wasn't pissed when they didn't take him. If it wasn't going to be Bush, I wanted it to be D'Brick Ferguson or Mario. If it had been anyone but those three, I would have been angry.

Admittedly, I was hard on Mario in his rookie year. I had no idea the plantar fascitis thing was limiting him as much as it was. I guess I just looked at it as an excuse. Man, was I wrong.

For all the crap he went through, and all the class he handled it with - Mario IS my favorite player in the NFL.

My story is identical, in every facet, to this one. I wanted Reggie Bush but was only upset that Friday night when it was announced we were going to sign Mario Williams. And of all things, didn't Michael Smith of BSPN predict it?

Anyway, I too wanted D'Brick and my ideal scenario was a trade down, but I was only upset about the Mario pick that night and then was on the Mario bandwagon. Makes me feel good that it worked out because I regularly throw it in the face of some of my buddies who whined about the pick up until about the Denver game, aka Mario's coming out party.

HOU-TEX
12-16-2008, 03:41 PM
We'll we could of been wrong too about VY. He had to over come the throwing motion. He had a top flight QB coach and an owner in is hip pocket. All he had to do was change. He couldn't do it. Lot of coaches had him befor Norm Chow....wonder how many lived with the bad to get the good ? All you had to do was stick the Baylor and Oklahoma state cds in and a blind man could see it. One of the greates college QBs to ever play the game, no doubt. He couldn't change. Not too late. I don't think Vincent is the kind of guy to ever admit he needs help. Or he's wrong. He's bowed his neck up at every coach he's ever had. It's a shame too.

You sure it's not just the fact he's dumber than a sack of assholes? Throwing motion doesn't mean diddly squat if you can't read defenses or understand the playbook.

As far as the thread goes.....if it takes 3 season's for a person(s) to determine MW was the better pick of the 3 then they aren't worth wasting my time to listen to or watch their shows. I've never seen or heard a Mike and Mike show, but from what I've heard, they belong in the same catagory as most of the espn asshats.

my .02

Thorn
12-16-2008, 03:42 PM
I remember Monday at work all the Reggie Bush fans were just going crazy with hate and disbelief. While I felt that way about Vince at the time, I supported the Mario pick just to piss off all the Bush lovers. (I never did care for Bush) Didn't know at the time I was supporting the right guy. LOL