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powerfuldragon
12-14-2008, 11:07 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4d26e

Above link is to the steve slaton highlights from this week. There are two things in the video i'd like to bring attention to. The first is the very first play they show. you all probably noticed it ingame. It was the run for nine yards with like 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. four of those yards were gained because eric winston basically shoved the entire pile.

The second is at 1:10 in the video, it was the gain for eight yards just before we went into the victory formation. Watch as eric winston takes out two CB's with one block. Devastating.

hookinreds
12-14-2008, 11:15 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4d26e

Above link is to the steve slaton highlights from this week. There are two things in the video i'd like to bring attention to. The first is the very first play they show. you all probably noticed it ingame. It was the run for nine yards with like 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. four of those yards were gained because eric winston basically shoved the entire pile.

The second is at 1:10 in the video, it was the gain for eight yards just before we went into the victory formation. Watch as eric winston takes out two CB's with one block.

Two CB's and then combo'd the LB into the corner pocket. Winston was responsible for clearing out 3 defenders with one block. I loved the early play when Winston and Leach just kept moving the pile.

GP
12-14-2008, 11:18 PM
(Bad caveman reference coming in 3...2...1......)

It was like he had killed an animal and was dragging it back to the cave.

Seriously though: Those guys WANTED the game today. Pure and simple.

Jackie Chiles
12-14-2008, 11:20 PM
I love that guy but man he has had a tough time in pass pro the last two weeks, first with Kampman and now with Kearse. He was fired up after some of those runs, hes a good one.

hookinreds
12-14-2008, 11:21 PM
I love that guy but man he has had a tough time in pass pro the last two weeks, first with Kampman and now with Kearse. He was fired up after some of those runs, hes a good one.

He has had his low points and been worked over a couple plays a game. No doubting his "want to".

eriadoc
12-14-2008, 11:21 PM
Yeah, Winston did not have a good first half in pass protection. We won, though :)

powerfuldragon
12-14-2008, 11:26 PM
Two CB's and then combo'd the LB into the corner pocket. Winston was responsible for clearing out 3 defenders with one block. I loved the early play when Winston and Leach just kept moving the pile.

upon review, yes... yes he does take out three defenders with one block.
:kingkong:

Scooter
12-14-2008, 11:28 PM
there was another one around the 3rd quarter that wasnt shown. i think it was winston but that's just a guess, when slaton got turned around and a lineman basically grabbed him under the arms and pulled him another 4 yards.

GP
12-14-2008, 11:30 PM
there was another one around the 3rd quarter that wasnt shown. i think it was winston but that's just a guess, when slaton got turned around and a lineman basically grabbed him under the arms and pulled him another 4 yards.

It was him.

He carried him like it was a firefighter dragging an old lady out of a burning building: Under the arms, backwards, and for several yards.

Scooter
12-14-2008, 11:34 PM
that's a lot of brute strength because slaton's legs were out and he wasnt doing much (if any) of the pushing.

GP
12-14-2008, 11:39 PM
that's a lot of brute strength because slaton's legs were out and he wasnt doing much (if any) of the pushing.

It was like tug-of-war, basically. And Slaton was the rope.

Don't be surprised if the off-season owner meeting(s) involve a rules committee looking at the issue of whether it's fair for o-linemen to drag ball carriers or not.

I can see Bud Adams saying that it caused the Texans an unfair advantage when the ball carrier was easily stopped in his tracks...and that THAT set of instances helped to defeat his team. I know it sounds petty, but that's the day and age we live in: It's always someone else's fault, so SUE them.

powerfuldragon
12-14-2008, 11:40 PM
tell bud adams to bugger off. forward progress.

Mailman
12-14-2008, 11:42 PM
If anyone wants to make a video of Winston's three-for-one block, here's a good quote to go with it:


"That was shoved in our face about how much we got pushed around, and I don't want to say cheap-shotted, but towards-the-end-of-the-whistle hits in Tennessee and it was kind of embarrassing," Winston said of Tennessee's 31-12 Week 3 win in Nashville. "It was kind of like the big brother kind of just pushing us around in Tennessee and we weren't going to have it. It's one thing to get beat, but we were not going to go out there and get beat up."

GP
12-14-2008, 11:42 PM
tell bud adams to bugger off. forward progress.

Like I said: It's where it will go.

That's how people like Bud Adams think. Always trying to find an angle.

infantrycak
12-14-2008, 11:44 PM
It was like tug-of-war, basically. And Slaton was the rope.

Don't be surprised if the off-season owner meeting(s) involve a rules committee looking at the issue of whether it's fair for o-linemen to drag ball carriers or not.

I can see Bud Adams saying that it caused the Texans an unfair advantage when the ball carrier was easily stopped in his tracks...and that THAT set of instances helped to defeat his team. I know it sounds petty, but that's the day and age we live in: It's always someone else's fault, so SUE them.

Putting aside the suing them BS, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titans submitted several plays for review this weak on why they were not blown dead for lack of forward progress. I commented to a neighbor in the stands about it during the game. Don't see a rule change resulting though.

DiehardChris
12-14-2008, 11:45 PM
Why would it be an "unfair advantage" for the Texans to drag the ball carrier? They have 11 guys just like we do. If we drag, try and stop us. If they drag their guys, we'll sure as hell try and stop them.

Jackie Chiles
12-14-2008, 11:46 PM
Putting aside the suing them BS, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titans submitted several plays for review this weak on why they were not blown dead for lack of forward progress. I commented to a neighbor in the stands about it during the game. Don't see a rule change resulting though.

Is this ruling different in college ball? I remember how everyone was up in arms about the "Bush Push" play against Notre Dame a couple years ago.

GP
12-14-2008, 11:48 PM
Putting aside the suing them BS, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titans submitted several plays for review this weak on why they were not blown dead for lack of forward progress. I commented to a neighbor in the stands about it during the game. Don't see a rule change resulting though.

I never said it would result in a rules change.

But I do think it will definitely be brought up, and that's how our society works today: Bring it up. If you don't win the first time? Bring it up again. At some point, you'll gain enough support from other whiners...and it'll gain enough traction and you'll get it passed.

It's worked for all sorts of activist groups in America. No reason to think it won't work for Bud Adams. Maybe not this year. But some day.

GP
12-14-2008, 11:49 PM
Is this ruling different in college ball? I remember how everyone was up in arms about the "Bush Push" play against Notre Dame a couple years ago.

It's OK when a media darling does it.

Not OK when the Texans do it to a 12-1 team playing for home-field advantage.

See the diff?

TexanSam
12-14-2008, 11:56 PM
I never said it would result in a rules change.

But I do think it will definitely be brought up, and that's how our society works today: Bring it up. If you don't win the first time? Bring it up again. At some point, you'll gain enough support from other whiners...and it'll gain enough traction and you'll get it passed.

It's worked for all sorts of activist groups in America. No reason to think it won't work for Bud Adams. Maybe not this year. But some day.

Luckily Rick Smith is on the competition committee! :D

Of course so is Jeff Fisher

Either way, I think it's much ado about nothing. Linemen pushing and pulling running backs happens often enough that I think if they wanted to do something about it, the NFL would by now.

DiehardChris
12-14-2008, 11:58 PM
I love how on that huge block by Winston, Chris Hope did a backward somersalt from the force of having Nick Harper's ***** ass blocked into him. Sweet.

gg no re
12-14-2008, 11:58 PM
Luckily Rick Smith is on the competition committee! :D

Of course so is Jeff Fisher

Either way, I think it's much ado about nothing. Linemen pushing and pulling running backs happens often enough that I think if they wanted to do something about it, the NFL would by now.

and there's Bill Polian for the tie break.

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oh sh....

mexican_texan
12-15-2008, 12:27 AM
I know I pimp his show a lot, but just a reminder.

Catch the Eric Winston show Tuesday on 610 AM around 5. Or do what I do and catch the podcast to avoid all the commercials.

DiehardChris
12-15-2008, 12:31 AM
I know I pimp his show a lot, but just a reminder.

Catch the Eric Winston show Tuesday on 610 AM around 5. Or do what I do and catch the podcast to avoid all the commercials.

Yeah, same here. I download the podcast, and I also do the same for Kubiak's Monday show - but he never says anything interesting. Ever.

Still - I love the guy.

But Winston is GREAT on the radio. Last week or the week before, someone asked him why he thought Sage melted down from time to time, and during his answer, he actually used the word Rosencopter. LOL

mexican_texan
12-15-2008, 12:57 AM
On that note, anyone successfuly podcast anything from 1590 or HT.com? I can listen to them on the internet, but I prefer to listen to podcasts on my MP3 player.

DiehardChris
12-15-2008, 01:00 AM
I've been bugging Lance Z to at LEAST podcast the Texans reaction segments on the Mondays following the games... but he says they have issues with the software they use. I'd really like to hear that, but my schedule doesn't match up with their 5 or 6 am start time.

Jackie Chiles
12-15-2008, 01:04 AM
I've been bugging Lance Z to at LEAST podcast the Texans reaction segments on the Mondays following the games... but he says they have issues with the software they use. I'd really like to hear that, but my schedule doesn't match up with their 5 or 6 am start time.

I remember he was doing some nice podcasting during training camp on the chronicle site, I was looking forward to listening to those during the season. Speaking of training camp I can't believe we only have two more games this year, gah, so depressing.

keyser
12-15-2008, 04:10 AM
It was him.

He carried him like it was a firefighter dragging an old lady out of a burning building: Under the arms, backwards, and for several yards.

Watching this today felt great, but brought to mind one thing that's annoyed me for quite a while. It seems like many of our defensive players love to rush in to make a tackle (for someone already wrapped up) from behind. This serves to just push the pile forward even more, giving the runner an extra several yards. It seems like most games (though I didn't notice it today), there are at least a couple of plays where our own player basically pushes the opposing player an extra few yards. I know they're trying to be agressive and not give up on the play, and sometimes they're doing it just to get to the player, and can't avoid pushing him, but it's not helpful.

I've never played real football, so maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like poor thinking. Are players taught to push into piles like that for some reason, even if it makes the momentum of the pile head a direction you don't want?

In any case, it was nice to see us trying to use the momentum of the pile in our favor for once. And kudos to Slaton for not giving up on the play, as I expect many other RBs would do.

The Pencil Neck
12-15-2008, 09:52 AM
It was like tug-of-war, basically. And Slaton was the rope.

Don't be surprised if the off-season owner meeting(s) involve a rules committee looking at the issue of whether it's fair for o-linemen to drag ball carriers or not.

I can see Bud Adams saying that it caused the Texans an unfair advantage when the ball carrier was easily stopped in his tracks...and that THAT set of instances helped to defeat his team. I know it sounds petty, but that's the day and age we live in: It's always someone else's fault, so SUE them.


Actually, I thought it was illegal to drag ball carriers. I know it's illegal to PUSH ball carriers but in a big scrum like that, it rarely gets called.

MeLoveTexans
12-15-2008, 09:52 AM
I nominate this as the official Eric Winston song. He needs to come out of the tunnel to this on gameday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvICgt1hPsY

badboy
12-15-2008, 01:05 PM
"I just wrapped my arms around that little guy (Slaton) and said don't look down. I just kept backing it in, backing it in and soon there was a first down." Eric "the pile mover" Winston.

"Who you calling a pile?" Super Slick Slaton.

GP
12-15-2008, 01:09 PM
Actually, I thought it was illegal to drag ball carriers. I know it's illegal to PUSH ball carriers but in a big scrum like that, it rarely gets called.

As well as it worked for us, don't be surprised to see teams trying to do it on purpose when the tough yards are needed...especially in the playoffs.

As many times as it happened, I am sure some genius out there on one of the teams is thinking "Hey, we can draw that up and use it when we need a few yards in a crucial spot of a game..."

Run the ball carrier into a pile, have a couple of o-linemen release their blocks and grab the ball carrier forward.

It happened so much this past Sunday, and it swung the momentum in our favor, that you have to wonder what the outcome of the game had been if it had not been done those 2 or 3 times when it kept the drive alive.

Goatcheese
12-15-2008, 01:49 PM
It is a penalty to assist the runner. The zebras almost never call it unless you actually pick them up off the ground though.

Big Lou
12-15-2008, 02:20 PM
Yeah, Winston did not have a good first half in pass protection. We won, though :)

I like him, but there were a couple of wiffs.

I was expecting to hear an ole'!

badboy
12-15-2008, 02:40 PM
I like him, but there were a couple of wiffs.

I was expecting to hear an ole'!At least once I think Winston pushed Kearse into Schaub. I remember thinking "just don't speed him up!"

YellerLotYeller
12-15-2008, 02:53 PM
Some people call it dragging the ball carrier, I just call it playing 'til the whistle. If the refs think his forward progress is stopped they'll blow the whistle.

painekiller
12-15-2008, 03:49 PM
It is a penalty to assist the runner. The zebras almost never call it unless you actually pick them up off the ground though.

That is what I thought. I keep waiting for the flag because Winston did just pick him up and start walking backwards. Myers was in their pushing the pile also.

You could tell the OL and Vonta love blocking for a back like Slaton, he never stops trying and he refuses to go down.

Winston is quoted as saying if he is able to move the pile a yard or two more per play then 3 and 6 becomes 3 and 3, a big difference, then he will keep pushing until the whistle blows.

Vinny
12-15-2008, 08:37 PM
At least once I think Winston pushed Kearse into Schaub. I remember thinking "just don't speed him up!"

Kearse was kicking everyone's ass out there all game...he looked young and dominant again.

edo783
12-15-2008, 08:58 PM
Kearse was kicking everyone's ass out there all game...he looked young and dominant again.

Yup, he smoked right by Winston several times. Eric has the power, just not the speed to hang with guys like the Freak.

Hardcore Texan
12-15-2008, 09:50 PM
The whole pushing the pile thing is pretty common place, I see a lot of teams doing it weekly. Granted, not as well as what Winston did in the specific examples mentioned above, but it's not like we are the only team doing it or anything that we would be singled out. Players are taught to play to the whistle.

Goatcheese
12-15-2008, 09:56 PM
Yup, he smoked right by Winston several times. Eric has the power, just not the speed to hang with guys like the Freak.

It isn't speed Winston lacks. The last few games, as soon as he engages the defender with his hands, his feet slow down/stop. He should be pushing them further upfield, and instead he seems to stop and spin in place. It shouldn't be an issue to fix, as long as it's actually pointed out to him by the coaches.

run-david-run
12-16-2008, 03:34 AM
Random note as I was watching the Texans Titans highlights yet again with a grin on my face. On the play the OP was talking about, none other than Andre Johnson blocked Kearse. Not particularly well, he ended up about 4 yards in the backfield, but that is something you don't see every day. More than anything else, what impresses me most about this team is their pure effort. 3-7 and we don't quit. Down 20 points and we don't quit (Titans game last year anybody?). We don't always (or often) get it right, but we're going to keep trying until we do. Great to see in this day and age.

threetoedpete
12-16-2008, 04:18 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4d26e

Above link is to the steve slaton highlights from this week. There are two things in the video i'd like to bring attention to. The first is the very first play they show. you all probably noticed it ingame. It was the run for nine yards with like 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. four of those yards were gained because eric winston basically shoved the entire pile.

The second is at 1:10 in the video, it was the gain for eight yards just before we went into the victory formation. Watch as eric winston takes out two CB's with one block. Devastating.

Well I got called an ***** this september pointing out that moving Erick to the inside was more than a pie in the sky thought. He got owned on the edge by Kearse Sunday. I guess it comes down to how many hits does Matty have left in the tank ? And how many times do we re draft another franchise QB ?

the tackles are not getting any help from the brain trust.

threetoedpete
12-16-2008, 04:24 AM
It isn't speed Winston lacks. The last few games, as soon as he engages the defender with his hands, his feet slow down/stop. He should be pushing them further upfield, and instead he seems to stop and spin in place. It shouldn't be an issue to fix, as long as it's actually pointed out to him by the coaches.

Well according to some it ain't the arm length. Leverage has absolutely nothing to do with it...some say.

edo783
12-16-2008, 08:22 AM
It isn't speed Winston lacks. The last few games, as soon as he engages the defender with his hands, his feet slow down/stop. He should be pushing them further upfield, and instead he seems to stop and spin in place. It shouldn't be an issue to fix, as long as it's actually pointed out to him by the coaches.

That seems to be some sort of speed related thing.

Goatcheese
12-16-2008, 08:57 AM
That seems to be some sort of speed related thing.

How is it a speed issue when he get's into position quickly, but then stops and just leans on the defender as they go around him? It's a technique issue, not an athletic issue. They need to work with him to improve his footwork once he's engages the defender, and he'll be fine.