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HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Being a Boys fan I could see this happening all year

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763209

According to multiple sources within the Dallas Cowboys, there is an emerging internal conflict involving three of the team's highest-profile stars.


As the preseason Super Bowl favorites struggle in the final month of the season to simply make the playoffs, wide receiver Terrell Owens has expressed resentment toward Tony Romo, apparently jealous of the quarterback's relationship with tight end Jason Witten.


Owens feels that Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates who came to Dallas in the same offseason -- hold private meetings in which they create plays the two will use in upcoming games without including Owens in the conversations, according to a source who speaks regularly with Owens' teammates. Owens believes these discussions have worked to his detriment as Romo seeks to deliver the ball to Witten regardless of whether Owens is open.

"I don't know anything about that," Wade Phillips said when asked about a possible rift at his news conference on Thursday.



"We've thrown for a lot of yards with a lot of players. One receiver is pretty close to 1,000 yards. ... There's no favoritism there, we are going to the guy that is going to be open."


Owens declined to discuss the situation on Thursday outside the Cowboys' locker room. As he walked toward the players' lounge at Valley Ranch, ESPN asked Owens if he would answer questions and he said, "Nope.''


Linebacker Bradie James acknowledged to ESPN that his status as one of the team captains has caused him to play a peacemaker role between Romo and Owens.

"Whenever the fire gets blazing, I know,'' James said. "Sometimes, I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but we all talk.

"It just is what it is ... It's just two different guys, two different personalities and they know what's at stake. They know that everybody needs them. And there's no dislike. It's just sometimes, not everybody is going to see eye to eye. That's what makes a football team.''


A current Cowboys player compared Owens' behavior to that which led to problems with his former quarterbacks, Jeff Garcia in San Francisco and Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia. Those failed relationships and problems with the head coaches and other teammates led to Owens' exile from those teams and made him available to Dallas owner Jerry Jones in 2006.

"He's insecure about it,'' the player said of Owens. "The thing that bothers me more than anything about this problem is that it's always something with him -- San Fran, Philly and here; always something. And he brings other people into it. You know, he talks to Sam Hurd and Roy Williams, who just got here and doesn't really know these guys. TO talks to him and so now he probably thinks Witten politics with Tony for the ball.

"That's so far from the truth. You think Tony is throwing to him because that's his buddy? His best buddy is Bobby Carpenter, and that's not helping him too much. It's crazy to think that, and I hate that he acts that way.''

Witten leads the Cowboys with 64 receptions to 55 for Owens, who has a team-high 848 receiving yards and nine touchdowns. According to one of the sources, Owens cannot fathom how Romo and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett justify the tight end having more catches than does Owens even though the latter ranks among the most accomplished receivers in NFL history.

There has so far been no known confrontation between Romo and Owens, who have combined for 33 touchdowns since 2006, the most of any quarterback-receiver tandem in the NFL during that time. Romo has always been careful to make certain Owens felt appreciated so that he would compete hard and not cause the kind of upheaval he did with his previous teams.

But one teammate suggested Romo is frustrated enough that he might initiate a different approach, although not the confrontational kind that some believe might solve the problem.

"To be completely honest, I just think Tony is over it; not like, "Screw it.' But I think Tony is over the mind games,'' the player said. "It would help if Tony would stand up to him, but he would never do it. He does a great job of ignoring it and not letting it affect him, and that's why it has worked as good as it has. It's just hard. I think right now everybody is to the point where, "We're going to need him, so let's not piss him off.''

But Owens seems to be finding it increasingly difficult to conceal his irritation. Last week in Pittsburgh, on the first possession of the Cowboys' most important game of the season, a team source who reviewed the game tape said Romo threw an interception when Owens mysteriously failed to complete his route. Troy Polamalu intercepted the ball at the place where Romo expected Owens to be. Later in the half, Romo underthrew a pass for Owens that was intercepted by Ike Taylor and Owens gestured openly in Romo's direction as he walked toward the sideline that the ball should have been thrown further upfield.

But what upset Owens' teammates most of all was his response to the interception Romo threw on a pass intended for Witten that Deshea Townsend returned for the game-winning touchdown in a 20-13 defeat. Both the quarterback and tight end publicly accepted blame for the Cowboys' season-high fifth turnover. In contrast, Owens said the offense stunk, that the team can't win with turnovers like those and then suggested his defender was playing off in single coverage and that he was open but Romo decided to throw elsewhere on the fatal play.

On the sideline, Owens was seen yelling at a Cowboys assistant coach. In his press conference after the game, Owens implied that Romo's decision to throw to Witten was the wrong one, saying, "It's his job to go out there and assess what the defense is, and he made that decision.''

That incensed some Cowboys, one of whom said, "If you only knew all that guy does. It's gonna go down with him before it's all over with. He is unbelievable. Tough loss and he does that?''

Until then, Cowboys insiders considered Owens' most damaging behavior the interview he did with former Cowboys cornerback Deion Sanders on the NFL Network in which he suggested Dallas' offensive system under Garrett was responsible for his worst statistical season since his rookie year with the 49ers. Owens also hinted that Romo and the other Dallas quarterbacks who played when the starter was injured were not making getting him the ball a high enough priority. "I can't throw it and catch it,'' Owens said.

At least one prominent Cowboys player was displeased that the coaching staff responded to the criticism by seemingly placating Owens in that Sunday's game against San Francisco, allowing him enough opportunities that he posted his best statistical line as a Cowboy: seven catches for 213 yards, including 75-yard TD.

"Well, TO got his way,'' the player said. "It never fails how we operate around here. Drives me crazy, but what can you do?''

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips justified Owens' argument by agreeing that getting him the ball needed to be the first offensive priority, and then owner Jerry Jones further empowered him by claiming he had no issue with anything Owens said in the interview.

Said another source: "What do you think he said after he complained about not getting the ball and then in the San Francisco game he gets 213? He said, "Look. It works. The more hell I raise, the more I get what I want.''

Owens in March signed a four-year contract extension worth $34 million, including a $12.9 million signing bonus to bind him to the Cowboys through the 2011 season.

When asked if Romo and Owens were all right together as the team prepares to play the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, James said, "Yeah. It's gotta be. It better be.''

The latest controversy comes toward the end of a season that began with Owens saying in training camp that he shared a relationship with Romo that he never had with other quarterbacks with whom he played. That, Owens said, was because Romo knew he was the star of the Cowboys and was not threatened by Owens' status as were previous quarterbacks.

"I guess sometimes I've just been in situations where the quarterbacks felt like I was bigger than them,'' Owens said in July. "And, you know, that was never the case. I felt like whatever I did complemented the quarterback, whatever he did, vice versa. It's just been a situation where things happen, where things didn't work out.''

Romo seemed equally at peace with Owens. "The thing about it is there's a genuine caring about each other. I actually want the guy to succeed. He works hard, he works his butt off. And he cares about the guys, so it's easy to root for a guy like that.

"It's important for us to be on the same page. It's important for us to care about the other one, just because our success is directly related. ... The thing you notice mostly about him is that he talks about 'team' a lot. He wants to win. He understands that, at this stage of his career, he's done all the things individually he can do. Now, it's just a matter of winning.''

Whether it is like that anymore -- and whether the Cowboys can achieve their own stated goals with the relationship between Owens and Romo and Witten being what it is now -- remains to be determined.

Since Romo became Dallas' starter, he has completed more passes to Witten than to Owens, 201-186, although Owens has significantly more yards and three times as many touchdowns.

"You really want to address it with him and say, "Are you serious? Let's cut the [sh--]. But we're trying to win our way into the playoffs and, if something like that happened, if you backed him into a corner, he'd be pissed off and try to fight you or something,'' the current Cowboys player said. "So what do you do? Let it go? Then you're just like everybody else. If he's got a problem and he's upset, clear the air. He should know that everything we do on offense goes through him."

bah007
12-11-2008, 05:56 PM
The guy is so insecure. If he wasn't such an ******* about it I would feel sorry for him.

stingray
12-11-2008, 06:08 PM
T.O. Is a Turd..

brakos82
12-11-2008, 06:10 PM
Wonder if he'll take another trip around the NFC again...

Brando
12-11-2008, 06:19 PM
I never saw this coming. :sarcasm: T-HO is a asshat and cry baby.


http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/crying.jpg


I thought he was your QB,T-HO?

:heh:

Double Barrel
12-11-2008, 06:19 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0115/pg2_a_owens_200.jpg

Wolf
12-11-2008, 06:20 PM
The guy is so insecure. If he wasn't such an ******* about it I would feel sorry for him.

exactly.

When Rod Tidwell has a good game ,boy he blabs about it to everyone and anyone.. but if things go wrong Rod has no heart and won't put in the extra effort in the game to get things done..

and as Rod Tidwell said in Jerry Mcguire.. "Well boo ******** Hoo"
http://www.azstarnet.com/ss/2006/10/15/151080-1.jpg

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/terrell_owens_crying.jpg
"Witten, That's MY Quarterback"

powerfuldragon
12-11-2008, 06:26 PM
what a girl.

Scooter
12-11-2008, 06:35 PM
i find it most humorous because nobody on the cowboys bothers to point out that owens doesnt catch anything thrown his way. owens leads the team with 113 targets but only has 55 receptions ... the crybaby doesnt bring in half of the throws to him. witten on the other hand brings in 67% of throws his way (andre johnson also at the 67% mark).

Not sure if this link will work (http://30808298385.football.nfl.com/players/do-player-compare/406023:1114610:492917:1290:493120:564954:396134/ytd:p/standard/)

HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 06:40 PM
The guy is so insecure. If he wasn't such an ******* about it I would feel sorry for him.

Exactly. It just annoys me that he knows that his QB isn't throwing him under the bus yet he keeps this up. I mean did Romo call him out after games last year and say..."well the offense would have been going smoother without the drops."

DiehardChris
12-11-2008, 06:55 PM
Being a Boys fan I could see this happening all year

LOL - what other things qualified you to make such an astute observation? Your ability to see and hear? :D

HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 07:01 PM
LOL - what other things qualified you to make such an astute observation? Your ability to see and hear? :D

No, just reading more news coming out of there than the average Texan fan....smart ass. Anything else to add Sherlock:):toast2:

thunderkyss
12-11-2008, 08:54 PM
I think it's just too easy to read media crap, and not think for our selves, and make our own opinions.

I think it's funny, when the media says something about our team, that it's called out for the crap that it is, but when they put out garbage about a player everyone loves to hate, we swallow it, hook, line, & sinker....... heck, we beg for more, and we feed the fire.

1. Terrell Owens was right in San Fran....... Jeff Garcia & Mariuchi were parts of the problem... If you took those two out of SF, left Owens with a coach & QB who would feature Owens as the main event, the 49ers would not have fallen sooooo low.

2. Terrell Owens was right in Philly....... witness the breakdown between Reed & McNabb.. witness the talks of trading McNabb... rumors that Reid won't be in Philly next year......

3. Terrell Owens was right in Dallas. There was no pressure on him at all, and he threw the ball was out of his hands, before any of his receivers got out of their breaks. Terrell was wide open, breaking to the outside, for what would have been an easy first down. Witten was in traffic, double covered..... the ball never should have gone to Witten. The throw shouldn't have been rushed...... Romo had his mind made up before they even snapped the ball.

This whole article is based on speculation and un-named players.

Everyone of you would have been just as upset, if you realized you never were given an opportunity to help your team on what turned out to be the last play of the game.

The last two actually.

HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 09:02 PM
I think it's just too easy to read media crap, and not think for our selves, and make our own opinions.

I think it's funny, when the media says something about our team, that it's called out for the crap that it is, but when they put out garbage about a player everyone loves to hate, we swallow it, hook, line, & sinker....... heck, we beg for more, and we feed the fire.

1. Terrell Owens was right in San Fran....... Jeff Garcia & Mariuchi were parts of the problem... If you took those two out of SF, left Owens with a coach & QB who would feature Owens as the main event, the 49ers would not have fallen sooooo low.

2. Terrell Owens was right in Philly....... witness the breakdown between Reed & McNabb.. witness the talks of trading McNabb... rumors that Reid won't be in Philly next year......

3. Terrell Owens was right in Dallas. There was no pressure on him at all, and he threw the ball was out of his hands, before any of his receivers got out of their breaks. Terrell was wide open, breaking to the outside, for what would have been an easy first down. Witten was in traffic, double covered..... the ball never should have gone to Witten. The throw shouldn't have been rushed...... Romo had his mind made up before they even snapped the ball.

This whole article is based on speculation and un-named players.

Everyone of you would have been just as upset, if you realized you never were given an opportunity to help your team on what turned out to be the last play of the game.

The last two actually.

I respectfully disagree. Your assessment is based on talent, not on fact of what happens in a lockerroom. The guy forced his way out of San Fran, cried when he got traded to Baltimore and got his way to Philly, where he pulled the same crap. He is without a doubt a talented guy but if your team is 10-0 for example and the last 3 games you have only had 3, 4 and 3 catches respectivelly yet you are still winning spreading the ball around, then there is no reason to *****. That is TOs problem. He is selfish. I read every piece of Cowboy news that I can and even listen to family in the metroplex and a brother that works for them and the fact remains that TO bitches even if they win 48-0...it comes down to how many catches he got. Romo made many mistakes this past game and it went beyond TO. I saw him take 2 sacks when the RB was wide open waving his arms int he flat and he was looking to go downfield. If TO is double covered it doesn't matter. As the article said there are many that thought he quit on his routes. Do you see other teammates calling him out for dropping game changing passes two years ago..specifically games vs Washington?I like guys who want to win and sometimes he should ***** if the team is playing like they don't care. But he bitches even if things are good and it always revolves around TO not getting his. There were alot of guys open throughout the game but you don't see them bitching all week. Plus, when is the last time a WR didn't think he was wide open?

dtran04
12-11-2008, 09:03 PM
I can't wait until the day Roy Williams is thrown a ton of balls and gets the spotlight. As he says, "Get your popcorn ready".

StarStruck
12-11-2008, 09:06 PM
I will sit back, relax, and see if anything unfolds. At this time, I'm not convinced. If anythings comes of of this, then I will acknowledge that my refusal to believe the worst, and if it's a publicity stunt I will be the first to lol.

thunderkyss
12-11-2008, 09:09 PM
I respectfully disagree. Your assessment is based on talent, not on fact of what happens in a lockerroom. The guy forced his way out of San Fran, cried when he got traded to Baltimore and got his way to Philly, where he pulled the same crap. He is without a doubt a talented guy but if your team is 10-0 for example and the last 3 games you have only had 3, 4 and 3 catches respectivelly yet you are still winning spreading the ball around, then there is no reason to *****. That is TOs problem. He is selfish. I read every piece of Cowboy news that I can and even listen to family in the metroplex and a brother that works for them and the fact remains that TO bitches even if they win 48-0...it comes down to how many catches he got. Romo made many mistakes this past game and it went beyond TO. I saw him take 2 sacks when the RB was wide open waving his arms int he flat and he was looking to go downfield. If TO is double covered it doesn't matter. As the article said there are many that thought he quit on his routes. Do you see other teammates calling him out for dropping game changing passes two years ago..specifically games vs Washington?I like guys who want to win and sometimes he should ***** if the team is playing like they don't care. But he bitches even if things are good and it always revolves around TO not getting his. There were alot of guys open throughout the game but you don't see them bitching all week. Plus, when is the last time a WR didn't think he was wide open?

When was his team 10-0, and TO was bitching about not getting any catches??

I think the issue was always that they didn't win, and they weren't trying to get him the ball. As long as they've won, TO was happy, whether being a decoy, or blocking downfield.

HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 09:10 PM
I will sit back, relax, and see if anything unfolds. At this time, I'm not convinced. If anythings comes of of this, then I will acknowledge that my refusal to believe the worst, and if it's a publicity stunt I will be the first to lol.

I'm not taking it as anything too serious....except, as I said above that it doesn't really surprise me and I can see it being that way...unless they lose some games here and miss the playoffs and then we will see what transpires.

Silver Oak
12-11-2008, 09:18 PM
a majority of the league knew Owens was a whiner and a locker room cancer before he went to Dallas. IMO, this is overdue and was only delayed as TO was happy with the previous progress the team seemed to be making.

of course I'm not a Cowboys fan, just a casual observer as I am other teams besides ours, but Jerry Jones may have a Perfect Storm about to bust loose up there.

HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 09:24 PM
When was his team 10-0, and TO was bitching about not getting any catches??

I think the issue was always that they didn't win, and they weren't trying to get him the ball. As long as they've won, TO was happy, whether being a decoy, or blocking downfield.

I said "for example" with the 10-0. Not fact. That hasn't always been the issue. I've watched games where he has sulked off the field after wins because he wasn't a big part of it. He doesn't like being a decoy. He has shown some of that this year. The guy works his ass off and is a talent. You can't call him a slacker. But he is one bad outting away from being toxic all the time. I haven't minded his work on the Cowboys but I also accept that he is one bad outburst from being gone. I thought he might be understood in SF until the Baltimore stunt

Wolf
12-11-2008, 09:50 PM
I don't have the quote but some one posted it on this site earlier in the season


I appreciate Andre so much, when things got tough, he buckled down

After the Titans game and Andre and Matt didn't connect in the endzone on a play.. Andre didn't blame Matt and Matt didn't blame Andre ......someone posted a quote about Andre and he was saying that he had to do a better job and work harder ..

Hookem Horns
12-11-2008, 10:19 PM
The Giants need to bounce back this week. This couldn't be happening at a better time.

HoustonFrog
12-11-2008, 10:22 PM
Here is news on this about many receivers saying Romo favors Witten. Maybe it is because he plays hurt, is tough, catches and doesn't drop balls and is good.

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/1088677.html


IRVING -- Has it come to this point already?

It seemed like it was just yesterday that Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo embarked on his Cinderella-like path from undrafted and on-the-street unknown to quarterback of America’s Team.

He had replaced Drew Bledsoe giving the Cowboys Romo-mentum en route to a playoff run, sparking a craze called Romo-mania and a Pro Bowl selection after just eight starts and building a following of diehard Romo-sapiens.

But that was two and half long years ago.

Romo is officially under fire now.

According to a source, the Cowboys receivers -- namely Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, and Patrick Crayton -- called a meeting with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett to discuss the distribution of the football and what was termed "a buddy system."

At issue is the perception that Romo relies too heavily on tight end and best friend Jason Witten, and doesn’t always throw to the open man. The breaking point was Sunday’s 20-13 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, in which the Cowboys blew a 13-3 fourth-quarter lead in the final 7 minutes, 15 seconds.

Romo committed four turnovers, a fumble and had three passes intercepted. The final interception was returned 25 yards for the game-winning score.

Romo was throwing to Witten on the final interception. Owens openly acknowledges he was open on the play and complained vociferously on the sideline during the game. Romo also missed a wide-open Crayton down the seam on the final drive of the game, and then threw incomplete to Witten on the final play when Crayton was also open.

Crayton said it was a good meeting, a needed meeting, in the interest of trying to win games and have a better offense.

He said they weren’t complaining because they went in with a positive tone and had a frank and honest discussion.

Romo, who talks on Wednesday, was not available for comment.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said he doesn’t know anything about the receivers complaining about not getting the ball.

When asked about the discussion, receivers coach Ray Sherman said his guys are competitors who want what’s best for the team. He said it would be wrong to characterize any discussion they might have had as complaining.

But the bottom line is that it was the latest salvo fired at Romo during what has been a tumultuous week. His poor fourth quarter against the Steelers has rekindled a perception that he can’t win the big game and fails in crucial times, pointing to his failures in December and January the past two seasons.

Since taking over as the starter, Romo has rewritten the Cowboys record books as a passer, he has been to two Pro Bowls and he has earned a $67 million contract.

But, seemingly, the only numbers people care about right now are 4-8 and 12-13, his won-loss record and touchdown-interception ratio in December and January.

It’s the main reason former NFL quarterback-turned-analyst Joe Theismann said Sunday’s game against the New York Giants is the biggest game of Romo’s career.

Win and prove to the world you can lead the Cowboys to victory in a big game, and possibly spark a playoff run. Lose, and possibly be labeled as a quarterback who can’t win the big one forever.

"This game becomes a career-maker for Tony," Theismann said. "That’s how important it has become.”

Although he enjoyed a meteoric rise to the top, he is still only in his second full season as a starter. He has just 33 starts to his credit and remains a relatively young quarterback.

"Well, I’ve only had two Decembers," Romo said. "I only played a half last year in one game that didn’t matter. The first year you’re just running around out there and you don’t know what’s going on. I think once I’ve played five, six years and that’s still the case you probably can talk about it. When you’ve played two years and the third year one game you’re going against maybe the best team over there, I think it’s a little premature."

Of course it wasn’t so premature when Romo asked for, and received, a six-year, $67.5 million contract last year.

His fame as Cowboys quarterback has allowed him to judge a Miss Universe pageant and put him in regular company with Hollywood and pop star celebrities, including former gal pal Carrie Underwood and current girlfriend Jessica Simpson.

And so it is with the expectations of playing quarterback in the footsteps of Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach and leading a team that is built to win now.

Theismann understands that he’s placing a lot of pressure on one guy, but he said the facts the facts.

"He will be the difference in their success," Theismann said. "They have a good defense. They have a good running attack. It’s Tony’s world to take them to the next level. That’s why this game is so important for him. If the Cowboys win the Super Bowl, it won’t be as monumental to his career as this game. He has to convince the owner. He has to convince his teammates. He has to convince the fans. How many times can you go through critical games and not deliver."

To his credit Romo is trying to take it all in stride. He wants to rebound from the Pittsburgh loss with a good game against the Giants as bad as anyone.

He also says the story of the season will be defined in due time.

"This season’s been interesting just because we’ve had the ups and downs of a 13-game schedule, 14 games, whatever we’ve had, 13 games now," Romo said. "It really won’t matter if you go on and win the whole thing. All this stuff, that’s why it’s interesting. Football is like a reality show each week. You get to talk about it and come up with new things. This is the new storyline. You can’t play 16 great weeks of football. You’ve got to be able to come back from a bad game. That’s part of what I have to do this week, come back from a performance that wasn’t up to what I’d hoped for. That’s part of being a quarterback and playing at the level you want to."

Wolf
12-11-2008, 10:28 PM
shame he got roy williams involved already after just a few weeks


well only one thing left to do


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i131/aeccard1/wambulance.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2008, 06:46 AM
How many of you believe that situations where players don't feel as though they are being left out the "game plan" exist throughout the league on every team? But how many of these situations present like those involving T.O. and lead to the messes that have repeatedly and consistently followed this ASSH*LE.

The Dallas Morning News (http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/to-speaks-out.html)has a review piece:

“I’m not jealous of Witten,” Owens told Calvin Watkins of the Dallas Morning News. “I’m not jealous of nobody."

Owens got that right.......his double negative unfurled harbours the truth.......
"I'm jealous of everybody."

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Just a small excerpt from a very lengthy piece worth reading, by ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763209):

Until then, Cowboys insiders considered Owens' most damaging behavior the interview he did with former Dallas cornerback Deion Sanders on the NFL Network in which he suggested the offensive system under Garrett was responsible for his worst statistical season since his rookie year with the 49ers. Owens also hinted that Romo and the other Dallas quarterbacks who played when the starter was injured were not making getting him the ball a high enough priority. "I can't throw it and catch it,'' Owens said.

Who has T.O. not thrown under the bus leaving a trail of destruction wherever he goes?

Texan_Bill
12-12-2008, 08:41 AM
Who has T.O. not thrown under the bus leaving a trail of destruction wherever he goes?

Certainly not us...



Signed,

Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb

V Man
12-12-2008, 09:15 AM
I can't wait until the day Roy Williams is thrown a ton of balls and gets the spotlight. As he says, "Get your popcorn ready".

Might not be this year, but next year he will, since I think they went and got him so the Cowboys will be able to cut TO in the off-season and still have a number one receiver.

ZX758
12-12-2008, 09:28 AM
Honestly, I hate the cowboys with a passion. but I really don't think this is news that people really care about. Seems to me they are trying to make something out of nothing. Yeah T.O. is a ball hog and always bitches a lot, but seriously, there is no reason to do a full page article on the guy wanting the ball more. It's old news. ESPN jocks the cowboys, Brett Farve, NY Giants, Yankees, Red Socks, Lakers, Knicks, and Celtics, it's just getting annoying now, that they can't talk about other teams. When it's a slow sports day, they try to come up with something interesting to talk about for pre-game shows.

WWJD
12-12-2008, 09:38 AM
Might not be this year, but next year he will, since I think they went and got him so the Cowboys will be able to cut TO in the off-season and still have a number one receiver.

Ding ding ding..we have a winner.

That's exactly right.

Dread-Head
12-12-2008, 09:44 AM
A receiver thinking he's open on every play? No. Every other receiver in the NFL thinks he's always open and deserves the ball. Most receivers are ball hogs and primadonnas. They are the VERMIN of the NFL for the most part. This may be a Cowboy generated story to distract the Cowboys' next few opponents. Who knows. Who cares.

HoustonFrog
12-12-2008, 09:46 AM
Might not be this year, but next year he will, since I think they went and got him so the Cowboys will be able to cut TO in the off-season and still have a number one receiver.

That was the main plan to start I believe. People thought Jerry was wasting picks and dumb but he really wanted to replace an aging cancer.

Dread-Head
12-12-2008, 09:47 AM
The Giants need to bounce back this week. This couldn't be happening at a better time.

The Patriots beat themselves in the last superbowl with their huge egos and sense of entitlement. The Giants just happened to be the beneficiaries. It aint happening again. Last year was a fluke.

HoustonFrog
12-12-2008, 09:48 AM
I think the funny part that many people are missing and it is so high school is that TO ACTUALLY believes that Romo and Witten were getting together, having secret meetings and devising ways to get Witten the ball more. Really?I can see Romo trusting him more but secretly planning it...so TO

WWJD
12-12-2008, 10:02 AM
The Patriots beat themselves in the last superbowl with their huge egos and sense of entitlement. The Giants just happened to be the beneficiaries. It aint happening again. Last year was a fluke.

I am not a Giants fan but they have to be the overwhelming favorite in the NFC. They're tough on both sides of the ball and they play smart. No fluke.

Mr teX
12-12-2008, 10:38 AM
Ha! Just when the team needs to come together to save their season, just when they are entering their most difficult part of the schedule & unselfish play needs to be at a premium....TO pops the lid off of his team killing poisons. Does this guy have perfect timing or what?


He held his water longer than i thought he would, but if i'm Jones/Phillips, i try to suspend this guy for the rest of the season just so he can be kept out of my locker room & away from my other players ala TB with Keyshawn Johnson a few years ago. Of course i'm hoping they don't look into this so i can watch him destroy their season ...:evilb:

Brando
12-12-2008, 10:44 AM
The Patriots beat themselves in the last superbowl with their huge egos and sense of entitlement. The Giants just happened to be the beneficiaries. It aint happening again. Last year was a fluke.

I respectfully disagree with you on this one Dread. They won 3 playoff games in a row en route to the SB. Once they made it, they did a great job defensively against one of the best offenses(New England) in league history. That being said it will be hard for them this year to make it to the SB with all the injuries and shootings.

V Man
12-12-2008, 10:45 AM
That was the main plan to start I believe. People thought Jerry was wasting picks and dumb but he really wanted to replace an aging cancer.

I heard a rumor (and I know we aren't suppose to post those), but that Jones wants Bill Cowher to coach the boys next year and Cowher said he will not coach a team with TO on it. So Jones went after Williams to get a #1 to replace TO and then throw a boat load of money at "The Chin"

stingray
12-12-2008, 11:00 AM
The Patriots beat themselves in the last superbowl with their huge egos and sense of entitlement. The Giants just happened to be the beneficiaries. It aint happening again. Last year was a fluke.

No way in hell. The Giants WERE the better team. A great Defense will almost always stop a great offense and that is exactly what happened that day.

texasguy346
12-12-2008, 11:11 AM
I think the funny part that many people are missing and it is so high school is that TO ACTUALLY believes that Romo and Witten were getting together, having secret meetings and devising ways to get Witten the ball more. Really?I can see Romo trusting him more but secretly planning it...so TO

This is what gets me, and although I don't really mind seeing the Cowboys going down the crapper it's disturbing to think TO actually believes there's a conspiracy of some sort. Isn't that a symptom of bipolar disorder? Couple that with the "accidental" overdose on pills a few years ago, and it paints a pretty disturbing picture of TO & what he may or may not be dealing with. Hopefully he gets some help because I don't see this ending well.

eriadoc
12-12-2008, 11:14 AM
Hey TO ......

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/dysfunction.jpg

WWJD
12-12-2008, 11:20 AM
Ha! Just when the team needs to come together to save their season, just when they are entering their most difficult part of the schedule & unselfish play needs to be at a premium....TO pops the lid off of his team killing poisons. Does this guy have perfect timing or what?


He held his water longer than i thought he would, but if i'm Jones/Phillips, i try to suspend this guy for the rest of the season just so he can be kept out of my locker room & away from my other players ala TB with Keyshawn Johnson a few years ago. Of course i'm hoping they don't look into this so i can watch him destroy their season ...:evilb:

Jerry didn't suspend Jones when he got into the trouble at the nightclub so it's almost a zero chance he'd do anything about this.

Tony and Jason are very good friends but I think the odds of them conspiring to get more balls thrown to him are probably about nil...he's a great TE and makes plays. I'm sure when Tony is running around back there he's not thinking "ok got to find Jason..where is Jason...oh there's TO open but I've got to find Jason"...that's nonsense.

He's their clutch guy; just as Novacek was for Troy.

BigBull17
12-12-2008, 11:24 AM
A receiver thinking he's open on every play? No. Every other receiver in the NFL thinks he's always open and deserves the ball. Most receivers are ball hogs and primadonnas. They are the VERMIN of the NFL for the most part. This may be a Cowboy generated story to distract the Cowboys' next few opponents. Who knows. Who cares.

Makes me very happy to have #80 on our team. H just wants to win, and doesnt care if he has 4 catches for 55 yards and a TD. Thats better to him than 220, 3td's and a loss. I am not sure TO would rather have the W. He is a me guy.

GP
12-12-2008, 11:42 AM
When was his team 10-0, and TO was bitching about not getting any catches??

I think the issue was always that they didn't win, and they weren't trying to get him the ball. As long as they've won, TO was happy, whether being a decoy, or blocking downfield.

I used to think T.O. was a bad guy, but he stood up for Romo after Romo goofed away a playoff game (He could have sold him down the river, but he didn't).

He has remained pretty much drama-free since Parcells left. Parcells is a creep, IMO, and probably stoked a lot of unecessary fires when he was HC in Dallas.

TO hasn't been making noise when the Cowboys win, or are looking together. And it's not too far out of the realm of possibility that Romo and Witten are close enough friends that Romo wants to feed him the ball more...maybe out of nothing more than the trust or bond they have due to the close friendship.

I don't think TO's heart was right when he was with 49ers and Eagles, but he's done a pretty good job, IMO, in Dallas. Besides, does anybody know what the hell happened to this guy when he was growing up? The incident with his father is sickening to say the least...I mean, I had a whole new perspective on why TO is TO. A lot of us can't even identify with him.

Not saying it excuses his fits, but it becomes UNDERSTANDABLE. And understanding where a person has been is the key to accepting why they do what they do. I hope TO stays on the path he's on.

Double Barrel
12-12-2008, 11:43 AM
Man, reading about TO The Clown makes me appreciate a receiver like AJ all that much more.

This drama couldn't be happening to a better team, though...except maybe the Titans.

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2008, 12:11 PM
I think the funny part that many people are missing and it is so high school is that TO ACTUALLY believes that Romo and Witten were getting together, having secret meetings and devising ways to get Witten the ball more. Really?I can see Romo trusting him more but secretly planning it...so TO

This is what gets me, and although I don't really mind seeing the Cowboys going down the crapper it's disturbing to think TO actually believes there's a conspiracy of some sort. Isn't that a symptom of bipolar disorder? Couple that with the "accidental" overdose on pills a few years ago, and it paints a pretty disturbing picture of TO & what he may or may not be dealing with. Hopefully he gets some help because I don't see this ending well.


"Paranoia will destroy ya"............and everything around you. That, along with mania one week and depression the next, and self-centered grandiosity are the classical defining characteristics of bipolar disorder.

Wolf
12-12-2008, 12:20 PM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/withoutamap/Tv%20or%20Movie%20Icons/elf.jpg

Just make sure a hug is for T.O first and when you hug others, make sure it doesn't last as long as the hug that T.O. got, and then make sure you hug T.O. last so he knows you didn't forget about him (plus he'd have 2 hugs to everybody's one)

HoustonFrog
12-12-2008, 12:58 PM
This thing is never going to end

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3764732

The rift between Dallas Cowboys stars Terrell Owens, Tony Romo and Jason Witten is wider than just those three players, a source inside the team's locker room told ESPN's Ed Werder on Friday.

The source told Werder that the majority of defensive players on the team supports Owens' contention that Romo is overly reliant on Witten and often throws into coverage trying to get him the ball while ignoring Owens in a situation where he could make a play.

One starting player told Werder that "We are not together as a team, and that includes the coaches."

Dallas defensive back Terence Newman told ESPN's "First Take" on Friday that reports of a rift are blown out of proportion. Newman said that Owens hadn't said a bad word to anyone, and that, as a defensive player, he'd like Owens to get the ball more.

Newman said that offensive coordinator Jason Garrett has an open-door policy and both Romo and Witten, along with wide receiver Patrick Crayton, had been in to talk to their coach.


Cowboys wide receivers Terrell Owens, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton requested and were granted a meeting with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett to express their concern that quarterback Tony Romo was relying too heavily on close friend and Pro Bowl tight end Jason Witten. Blog.

He also said that team chemistry is "great," but insinuated that when Cowboys coaches make a mistake, they shift the blame to others and the players have noticed it.

In his weekly radio spot on 1310 "The Ticket" in Dallas, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said a meeting took place between Roy Williams, Crayton, Owens and Garrett. He said it was nothing out of the ordinary.

"[Owens is] interested in the ball to win the game," Jones said. "He knows if he can get the ball, we have a better chance to win the game. We all agree with that."

Jones said that he visited with Owens for 10 or 15 minutes during practice on Thursday, but said the subject of the meeting with Garrett did not come up. "Not that he [Owens] feels slighted or he feels like there's some type of favoritism going on," Jones said.

Reports say Terrell Owens thinks Tony Romo is favoring Jason Witten in his play selection. A look from ESPN's Next Level data team at the passing breakdown between the two players:

Jones also said that Garrett encourages "continual communication."

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said reports that the team is in turmoil are untrue. "I don't agree," he said.

"Enough talking. We need to get it done," Phillips said.

Wolf
12-12-2008, 01:01 PM
I think the Cowboys should have movie night and have T.O. watch Jerry McGuire

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2008, 05:27 PM
I think the Cowboys should have movie night and have T.O. watch Jerry McGuire

Sunday, I'll be watching As the Girls Turn starring T.O. (and Jerry). :tv: Popcorn's good for the regularity, lots of fiber, you know. :popcorn:


http://finewhyfine.typepad.com/fine_why_fine/images/popcorn.bmp

Polo
12-12-2008, 05:48 PM
to is probably right. Romo probably does show favoritism.

infantrycak
12-12-2008, 05:54 PM
to is probably right. Romo probably does show favoritism.

Pass on by folks, he is just :stirpot:

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2008, 07:12 PM
T.O. speaks out and the circus is propogated by others on the team.............No different than every other past venue that T.O. has "blessed." Someone is always going to respond to his antics at one time or another. It just boils until it blows. In time, under these recurrent situations any team will eventually internally self-combust. Contrary to Jerry's early assessment, it CAN and IS happening with his Girls.



From PFT:

WAS WITTEN WERDER’S SOURCE?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 12, 2008, 5:09 p.m.
As it turns out, Terrell Owens’ suspicions regarding teammate Jason Witten might have been on the mark.

The talk in the Cowboys locker room is that Witten was one of the sources for Ed Werder’s recent ESPN item, which has sparked a firestorm within the organization.

Per a league source, center Andre Gurode and receiver Roy Williams called out Witten in a team meeting regarding their belief that he has been talking out of school to Werder, accusing Witten and/or his agent of feeding the information to Werder — as the song “Back Stabbers” played in the background.

According to our source (and it pains us to type this), Owens isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be in the media (i.e., by ESPN).

“Ed Werder didn’t make anything up,” the source said. “Witten or his agent gave the story.”

And here’s where it gets really interesting. Witten’s agent is Jimmy Sexton. And Sexton represents — you guessed it — former Cowboys coach Bill Parcells.

Parcells wanted no part of Owens, and presumably Parcells would love nothing more than to see the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs in the same year that Parcells is in the process of propelling the previously 1-15 Fins toward the postseason.

We’re not saying that Tuna has his finger in this one, after all he’s not the kind of guy who’d stick his nose in business that doesn’t pertain to him. We’re just pointing out the straight line from Witten to Sexton to Parcells, who by the way drafted Witten in 2003, the same year that Parcells signed Romo as an undrafted free agent.

Polo
12-12-2008, 07:28 PM
to is probably right. Romo probably does show favoritism.

Pass on by folks, he is just :stirpot:

I wasn't...

I think it's a real possibility that TO isn't the evil guy in this one...

WWJD
12-12-2008, 08:24 PM
This thing is never going to end

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3764732

Michael Irvin said on his Dallas ESPN show today that he was told by TO that Jason Garrett is the one that called the receivers into his office..not the other way around as the press is reporting. They can't even get that straight.

The team has had a meeting and aired it all out and has been instructed by Wade not to speak to the media unless it involves the game.

I think that's maybe the smartest thing Wade has done next to taking over the defensive play calling.

There are 20 different versions to stories...they all spin out of control by the time we read them..he said this, no he said that, no he did that, no he didnt'...at this point it's old and boring.

Personally I don't care who catches passes. Just so they get caught. And they could all do a better job of that.

HoustonFrog
12-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Michael Irvin said on his Dallas ESPN show today that he was told by TO that Jason Garrett is the one that called the receivers into his office..not the other way around as the press is reporting. They can't even get that straight.

The team has had a meeting and aired it all out and has been instructed by Wade not to speak to the media unless it involves the game.

I think that's maybe the smartest thing Wade has done next to taking over the defensive play calling.

There are 20 different versions to stories...they all spin out of control by the time we read them..he said this, no he said that, no he did that, no he didnt'...at this point it's old and boring.

Personally I don't care who catches passes. Just so they get caught. And they could all do a better job of that.


Heck, Terrence Newman is calling out the coaches about accountability and he gets burned last week to turn around the game. But I do think he has a point that the coaches are just hiding and deflecting. Then I just read how Witten was Ed Werder's source according to some. It is a madhouse. You know what is funny is that people are saying that TO may not be the bad guy..maybe...but the fact remains that this has happened on EVERY team he has played on and the lockerroom always takes sides. His somehow innocuous comments about just wanting to win seem to take on a life of their own. It is part media but it starts with TO.

HJam72
12-12-2008, 09:01 PM
Are we sure it's not the Cowboys screwing up things for TO, and not TO screwing up things for the Cowboys? I mean....it is the Cowboys; but, then, it is TO.

I bet Jessica gets involved. :photos:

WWJD
12-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Heck, Terrence Newman is calling out the coaches about accountability and he gets burned last week to turn around the game. But I do think he has a point that the coaches are just hiding and deflecting. Then I just read how Witten was Ed Werder's source according to some. It is a madhouse. You know what is funny is that people are saying that TO may not be the bad guy..maybe...but the fact remains that this has happened on EVERY team he has played on and the lockerroom always takes sides. His somehow innocuous comments about just wanting to win seem to take on a life of their own. It is part media but it starts with TO.

I don't believe that about Witten but he and Tony are very good friends and hang together off the field.

Remember the Mexican vacation that Tony took last year when he was tarred and feathered for doing that before a playoff game...well Witten was there only he didn't get the same treatment about it.

WWJD
12-12-2008, 09:43 PM
Are we sure it's not the Cowboys screwing up things for TO, and not TO screwing up things for the Cowboys? I mean....it is the Cowboys; but, then, it is TO.

I bet Jessica gets involved. :photos:

She'll just write a song about it. "TO's done ticked me off!"

HoustonFrog
12-12-2008, 10:14 PM
I don't believe that about Witten but he and Tony are very good friends and hang together off the field.

Remember the Mexican vacation that Tony took last year when he was tarred and feathered for doing that before a playoff game...well Witten was there only he didn't get the same treatment about it.

Agree. They are close. Troy trusted Novachek too. For all his faults, did Irvin cry about getting the ball?

eriadoc
12-12-2008, 11:49 PM
TO is a narcissist who is incapable of understanding that the team can win without him being the #1 guy. Regardless of whether Witten is doing any of this, it would have to be TO behind the mess, wouldn't it?

CloakNNNdagger
12-13-2008, 07:02 AM
Just as TO and the Girls seem to be imploding going into the Giants game, they will be getting a giant break in that Brandon Jacobs has been announced as a "no go."

WWJD
12-13-2008, 08:18 AM
Agree. They are close. Troy trusted Novachek too. For all his faults, did Irvin cry about getting the ball?

I don't remember that but I do remember that undisputedly Michael was the team leader. He was the one on the sidelines giving the pep talks and it was the same in the locker room and he practiced hard...I do remember Harper complaining about not getting the ball thrown to him. Troy wasn't vocal on the sidelines at all.

infantrycak
12-13-2008, 08:39 AM
I don't remember that but I do remember that undisputedly Michael was the team leader. He was the one on the sidelines giving the pep talks and it was the same in the locker room and he practiced hard...I do remember Harper complaining about not getting the ball thrown to him. Troy wasn't vocal on the sidelines at all.

They were all leaders, but it was in the order Irvin, Smith, Aikman. They were all incredibly hard workers. One off-season they had a competition to see who could get the lowest body fat %--I think the order was the same and they all came in at 8% or under.

Jackie Chiles
12-13-2008, 07:22 PM
I usually stick to Texans stuff but I ran across this on another message board I read on occasion and thought it was worth posting on here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xSSSH0x1c&eurl=http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27779&page=4

I'm not pro or anti Cowboy, I do find it slightly annoying that they have their own ESPN reporter in Werder pretty much bunkered down there and I can only imagine how he and ESPN sometimes might have to turn some half-baked stories into a bit more than they are but that fan is definitely a turd. Don't get me wrong, I found that confrontation humorous but for the most part fans like that just piss me off.

HoustonFrog
12-13-2008, 07:24 PM
I don't remember that but I do remember that undisputedly Michael was the team leader. He was the one on the sidelines giving the pep talks and it was the same in the locker room and he practiced hard...I do remember Harper complaining about not getting the ball thrown to him. Troy wasn't vocal on the sidelines at all.

I think they all have even said that Irvin was the leader. As I said and you and I have talked about, despite his faults, the guy worked as hard as any player and laid it on the line every game.

GuerillaBlack
12-13-2008, 08:21 PM
It's about to be a WHAT?!?! Girl fight!!

While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen, according to team sources, confirmed an incident occurred at the Cowboys training facility when Witten tried to engage Owens in a conversation about a pass route. Owens told Witten to stay away from him and called him a name. The two exchanged words before being separated.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3767580

WWJD
12-13-2008, 08:50 PM
Randy White stuffed Thomas Henderson in a locker once...too bad Randy isn't in the locker room now.

HoustonFrog
12-13-2008, 09:04 PM
Randy White stuffed Thomas Henderson in a locker once...too bad Randy isn't in the locker room now.
Exactly..I miss guys that wouldn't put up with this crap. I'm sorry and I know people keep making excuses for him but as everyone can see you have a lockerroom divided and guys pissed. TO brought it to Philly and SF. This isn't a misunderstanding wherever he goes. He is an attention ho that needs attention constantly. Of course Stephen A Smith thinks TO is just an innocent guy..I think he has been an ardent supporter since day 1

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3767580

bah007
12-13-2008, 09:15 PM
Why don't they just let Witten and Owens settle it themselves.

Put them in a room and let Wade referee.

TO would probably shut his mouth if they let Witten beat the snot out of him.

ChampionTexan
12-13-2008, 10:16 PM
Why don't they just let Witten and Owens settle it themselves.

Put them in a room and let Wade referee.

TO would probably shut his mouth if they let Witten beat the snot out of him.

Somebody needs to beat some sense into the guy, but I don't know if Witten's the man to do that - Hugh Douglass wasn't in Philly.

Wolf
12-13-2008, 10:23 PM
well we know what T.O. stands for

Team Obliviator

TexanSam
12-13-2008, 11:22 PM
Why don't they just let Witten and Owens settle it themselves.

Put them in a room and let Wade referee.

TO would probably shut his mouth if they let Witten beat the snot out of him.

Maybe it's just me, but after listening to Wade Phillips's comments on the whole incident it seems like he doesn't really give a damn anymore. He sounds like a man who realizes he's probably gone after the season

superdave532
12-14-2008, 04:35 AM
Thank god we don't have baby TO on our team. We have AJ, KW, OD, DA, AD, JJ.... thank god we don't have TO.

You're a professional football player and you're telling the media that you think your quarterback and your tight end are having secret meetings without you where they draw up plays. Hahahahahahaha!

What a *****, are you serious? Dallas does not deserve what TO is about to do to them, no one does. However, if you hate the cowgirls please enjoy the enforced implosion, as this is like a supernova and happens once every 50 years or so. I can't get over what a whiny baby he is. I wish i could meet him in person just so i could slap him in the face, then tell him he had 30 million reasons for me not to do that. Poor Romo, poor Witten, poor Barber.. this is just pathetic.

euro-Texan
12-14-2008, 04:39 AM
Thank god we don't have baby TO on our team. We have AJ, KW, OD, DA, AD, JJ.... thank god we don't have TO.

You're a professional football player and you're telling the media that you think your quarterback and your tight end are having secret meetings without you where they draw up plays. Hahahahahahaha!

What a *****, are you serious? Dallas does not deserve what TO is about to do to them, no one does. However, if you hate the cowgirls please enjoy the enforced implosion, as this is like a supernova and happens once every 50 years or so. I can't get over what a whiny baby he is. I wish i could meet him in person just so i could slap him in the face, then tell him he had 30 million reasons for me not to do that. Poor Romo, poor Witten, poor Barber.. this is just pathetic.

Evey 50 years??? Didn't he do it to the Eagles just a couple o years ago?

Mari-OWNED!
12-14-2008, 04:44 AM
You're a professional football player and you're telling the media that you think your quarterback and your tight end are having secret meetings without you where they draw up plays.

I'm not one to normally defend T.O., but I'm going to have to here. HE DID NOT GO TO THE MEDIA! He had a PRIVATE meeting with the offensive coordinator and it got LEAKED OUT to the media. For once T.O. was not trying to be dramatic and cry to the media like he has in the past. He wanted this little fiasco to be behind closed doors.

I don't think he is going to ruin the Cowboys. He is just trying his hardest to make the team BETTER. But if you think I am a T.O. fanboy, I'll just put it to rest right here by saying I would not want him playing on the Texans.

Malloy
12-14-2008, 04:47 AM
E-T is right, this vulcano blows up every other year or so :)

I have no pity for the Cowboys, they knew EXACTLY what they were getting by signing TO. JJs pride is the fault here, I hope he chokes on it.

This thread will prolly be moved btw.

euro-Texan
12-14-2008, 04:53 AM
I'm not one to normally defend T.O., but I'm going to have to here. HE DID NOT GO TO THE MEDIA! He had a PRIVATE meeting with the offensive coordinator and it got LEAKED OUT to the media. For once T.O. was not trying to be dramatic and cry to the media like he has in the past. He wanted this little fiasco to be behind closed doors.

I don't think he is going to ruin the Cowboys. He is just trying his hardest to make the team BETTER. But if you think I am a T.O. fanboy, I'll just put it to rest right here by saying I would not want him playing on the Texans.

There is is nothing to defend. He brings this upon himself. Had this been anyone else we would know nothing about it. TO has some crazy need to be the opening segment on sportscenter for good or bad. I would bet money that he was the one who leaked the story...

Thorn
12-14-2008, 06:05 AM
Anything that hurts the Cowpatties is good by me.

HoustonFrog
12-14-2008, 08:25 AM
Maybe it's just me, but after listening to Wade Phillips's comments on the whole incident it seems like he doesn't really give a damn anymore. He sounds like a man who realizes he's probably gone after the season

I think you are right. I'd be doing the same thing. Take the money and get the heck out. Go be a D Coordinator somewhere.

CloakNNNdagger
12-14-2008, 08:42 AM
Maybe it's just me, but after listening to Wade Phillips's comments on the whole incident it seems like he doesn't really give a damn anymore. He sounds like a man who realizes he's probably gone after the season


I'm not really seeing his comments as bottom line being much different than Jerry's. They're both trying to say that there's no problem in Cow Patty Town. Close you eyes and turn around three times and ................. OMG, it's still there.

WWJD
12-14-2008, 09:00 AM
TO=million dollar body and talent but it's that 10 cent brain that does him in.

OzzO
12-14-2008, 09:30 AM
It's about to be a WHAT?!?! Girl fight!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3767580


Why do I get the feeling TO and VY would get along real nice.... not that there's anything wrong with that.

bah007
12-14-2008, 10:23 PM
TO and Witten looked liked buddies on the sideline tonight...

bah007
12-14-2008, 10:38 PM
In the postgame interview, TO calls out Ed Werder for "sensationalizing"(sp) the argument between Witten and himself...

Jackie Chiles
12-14-2008, 11:02 PM
In the postgame interview, TO calls out Ed Werder for "sensationalizing"(sp) the argument between Witten and himself...

TO must have watched the youtube clip I posted in this thread earlier.

Brando
12-15-2008, 01:00 PM
from pft.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/media/pic-of-the-day/).......


http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dysfunctionalcowboys4.jpg

HoustonFrog
04-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Old news follow up.

Just saw this...was Brad Johnson the leak?Video from NFL Network seems to think Sapp heard info from him.(Video in link)


http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/jason-witten-took-the-blame-but-it-sound.html


We don't know for sure whether Brad Johnson was the infamous "snitch" at Valley Ranch last season.

ESPN's Ed Werder, one of the best reporters covering the NFL, isn't going to reveal his anonymous sources. But the NFL Network's Warren Sapp let the world know that his Super Bowl teammate had badmouthed T.O.

The NFL Network, apparently desperate to fill air time the week after the draft, is showing behind-the-scenes footage of its pregame prep work. That included an episode focused on the week leading up to the Ravens-Cowboys game, which came on the heels of the Tony Romo/T.O./Jason Witten pass-triangle drama.

Noted T.O. apologist Deion Sanders tried to dismiss the story, but Sapp wouldn't let that happen. Deion mentioned that he knows "20 dudes" on the Cowboys, so he was sure he had the story straight.

"So Brad Johnson ain't gonna give me the legits?" Sapp replied, as you can see from the fine YouTube work by blog buddy DCFanatic.

After Deion mumbled something dismissive about Johnson, Sapp added, "Brad (is) right there, dog. Right on ground level."

Texecutioner
04-30-2009, 02:50 PM
Old news follow up.

Just saw this...was Brad Johnson the leak?Video from NFL Netwoek seems to think Sapp heard info from him.(Video in link)


http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/jason-witten-took-the-blame-but-it-sound.html

Thanks for posting that Frog. Interesting and it makes a lot of sense. I always knew it had to be a person on the offense that worked with Romo and TO a lot to have been the un named source. I always thought it was Witten though, but I could see why Brad felt compelled to do that and he also did the right thing.

And boy I'll tell you every time I see Deion Sanders on tv he always validates what a total dumbass he is and has always been. I swear him and Michael Irvin had to have been separated at birth.

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2009, 02:52 PM
And boy I'll tell you every time I see Deion Sanders on tv he always validates what a total dumbass he is and has always been. I swear him and Michael Irvin had to have been separated at birth.

Deion had a "reality show" last season. I watched it. In horror.

This guy has no right to be portraying himself as a great role model for younger athletes. I mean... seriously. The guy is almost amoral himself.

Texecutioner
04-30-2009, 03:18 PM
Deion had a "reality show" last season. I watched it. In horror.

This guy has no right to be portraying himself as a great role model for younger athletes. I mean... seriously. The guy is almost amoral himself.

You are so right. He is so freaking immature and the biggest attention hound of all time. The guy is such a freaking pest for the cameras and the spot light. Now days any time there is a great young athlete either on the Cowboys or the U or somewhere like that he tries to somehow get in the guy's life and act like he's some mentor or something just so he can steal the kid's spot light and take some sort of credit for the guy's success or something.

He is easily the last person that should be mentoring any young athletes about anything. You know who the last person was that Deion mentored? Pac Man Jones. That should be all I have to say on the subject.

thunderkyss
04-30-2009, 04:51 PM
You are so right. He is so freaking immature and the biggest attention hound of all time. The guy is such a freaking pest for the cameras and the spot light. Now days any time there is a great young athlete either on the Cowboys or the U or somewhere like that he tries to somehow get in the guy's life and act like he's some mentor or something just so he can steal the kid's spot light and take some sort of credit for the guy's success or something.

He is easily the last person that should be mentoring any young athletes about anything. You know who the last person was that Deion mentored? Pac Man Jones. That should be all I have to say on the subject.

Sounds like Hate.

Deion has mentored dozens of young athletes, if you ever watch his show, Prime U, you'll see what he teaches them, and how he prepares them for the NFL.

Prime U is a good show.

Deione is doing a good job.

WWJD
04-30-2009, 05:15 PM
Sounds like Hate.

Deion has mentored dozens of young athletes, if you ever watch his show, Prime U, you'll see what he teaches them, and how he prepares them for the NFL.

Prime U is a good show.

Deione is doing a good job.

Yea I'm with you. Deion is an ok guy. I don't like him much on TV but then again I don't have to. I can change the channel.

WWJD
04-30-2009, 05:18 PM
Thanks for posting that Frog. Interesting and it makes a lot of sense. I always knew it had to be a person on the offense that worked with Romo and TO a lot to have been the un named source. I always thought it was Witten though, but I could see why Brad felt compelled to do that and he also did the right thing.

And boy I'll tell you every time I see Deion Sanders on tv he always validates what a total dumbass he is and has always been. I swear him and Michael Irvin had to have been separated at birth.

Why would you think it was Jason? He said last year he didn't have a thing to do with all that mess. Just asking. Because he and Tony are good friends?

Texecutioner
04-30-2009, 05:26 PM
Sounds like Hate.

Deion has mentored dozens of young athletes, if you ever watch his show, Prime U, you'll see what he teaches them, and how he prepares them for the NFL.

Prime U is a good show.

Deione is doing a good job.

Sounds like hate? Lol!

Sorry, but there is nothing to hate on Deion for. He's nothing but an arrogant fool that constantly talks about himself on tv every chance he gets. I loved watching him as a player and don't think there will ever be another guy like him at the position, but I can't stand listening to anything he says as far as game analysis. He is no different than Irvin. All they do is praise the jack asses in the sport for being jack asses the same way him and Irvin both were as players.

I hated Keyshwn Johnson as a player for years, but as an analyst he's the polar opposite of Deion and Irvin. He doesn't sit there and try his best to talk about himself on and on and on and make excuses for guys like TO over and over for being team cancers. He'll actually call out jerk WR's and CB's and diva type players unlike Irvin and Deion who seem to congratulate and glorify some of the biggest pie holes in the NFL.

Texecutioner
04-30-2009, 05:30 PM
Why would you think it was Jason? He said last year he didn't have a thing to do with all that mess. Just asking. Because he and Tony are good friends?

I don't buy that they were friends anymore than I ever bought that TO and Romo were friends. If they were friends, TO wouldn't have been trying to go around the locker room making up stories about Romo and Witten making their own plays and all. Good team mates don't do stuff like that and good friends surely don't do stuff like that to each other.

I thought Witten was the guy because like I said it had to have been someone that worked with the offensive players a lot, and TO and Witten had a scuffle and had to be separated before the game right after that report came out.

thunderkyss
04-30-2009, 05:33 PM
I'm under the impression, that it never happened. That some media schmuck got tired of waiting for T.O. to do something, and decided to make some news.

Texecutioner
04-30-2009, 05:58 PM
I'm under the impression, that it never happened. That some media schmuck got tired of waiting for T.O. to do something, and decided to make some news.

Oh yeah, the media really needs to make up something for TO.

thunderkyss
04-30-2009, 06:01 PM
Oh yeah, the media really needs to make up something for TO.

With guys like you around, it's not hard for them to get something started about Owens.

Three years, and all of a sudden he's a cancer after the team (t.e.a.m.) lays an egg in Philly.

Silver Oak
04-30-2009, 06:02 PM
Yea I'm with you. Deion is an ok guy. I don't like him much on TV but then again I don't have to. I can change the channel.


I won't forget his dousing of Tim McCarver in the locker room.

The guy comes across as an arrogant tool...IMO.

The Pencil Neck
04-30-2009, 06:20 PM
Sounds like Hate.

Deion has mentored dozens of young athletes, if you ever watch his show, Prime U, you'll see what he teaches them, and how he prepares them for the NFL.

Prime U is a good show.

Deione is doing a good job.

On his TV show about his family, it showed what he was teaching his kids. For the Prime U show (which I haven't been watching) he may be cleaning up his behavior around the cameras but based on what I saw in that first show, he's not a particularly high character guy.

WWJD
04-30-2009, 06:39 PM
I don't buy that they were friends anymore than I ever bought that TO and Romo were friends. If they were friends, TO wouldn't have been trying to go around the locker room making up stories about Romo and Witten making their own plays and all. Good team mates don't do stuff like that and good friends surely don't do stuff like that to each other.

I thought Witten was the guy because like I said it had to have been someone that worked with the offensive players a lot, and TO and Witten had a scuffle and had to be separated before the game right after that report came out.

Jason said he and Terrell never got into any scuffle..I will take his word for it.

Tony's best friend is Bobby Carpenter but he is really good friends with Jason..I think they room together and I know they hang out together but Jason is a married man with kids sooo maybe not as much as they did pre-Jessica.

I don't know if Jason and Terrell were friendly or not but I kind of think if Jason said it didn't happen it didn't..I mean a scuffle...after some game last year (maybe the Thanksgiving Day game) they had all 3 of them on the field after the game and they all said it never happened...

all water under the bridge now. I am sure Terrell will give us his version of what happened in his next book.

WWJD
04-30-2009, 06:44 PM
Sounds like hate? Lol!

Sorry, but there is nothing to hate on Deion for. He's nothing but an arrogant fool that constantly talks about himself on tv every chance he gets. I loved watching him as a player and don't think there will ever be another guy like him at the position, but I can't stand listening to anything he says as far as game analysis. He is no different than Irvin. All they do is praise the jack asses in the sport for being jack asses the same way him and Irvin both were as players.

I hated Keyshwn Johnson as a player for years, but as an analyst he's the polar opposite of Deion and Irvin. He doesn't sit there and try his best to talk about himself on and on and on and make excuses for guys like TO over and over for being team cancers. He'll actually call out jerk WR's and CB's and diva type players unlike Irvin and Deion who seem to congratulate and glorify some of the biggest pie holes in the NFL.

Deion doesn't seem so arrogant to me...he's very confident in himself. Perhaps that translates to some as arrogance but then we look at him thru different eyes. I like him; I really liked watching him play and I remember he was that missing element the Cowboys needed back in the day.....

Texecutioner
05-01-2009, 12:30 AM
Jason said he and Terrell never got into any scuffle..I will take his word for it.

Tony's best friend is Bobby Carpenter but he is really good friends with Jason..I think they room together and I know they hang out together but Jason is a married man with kids sooo maybe not as much as they did pre-Jessica.

I don't know if Jason and Terrell were friendly or not but I kind of think if Jason said it didn't happen it didn't..I mean a scuffle...after some game last year (maybe the Thanksgiving Day game) they had all 3 of them on the field after the game and they all said it never happened...

all water under the bridge now. I am sure Terrell will give us his version of what happened in his next book.

I swear some of you Cowboys fans kill me with this stuff.

What did you expect Witten to say "yeah we had a scuffle, and they're lucky that I wasn't able to land a strong punch." Oh yeah, Witten would just NEVER lie to the media for PR reasons now would he? So where did that whole report come from then ha? Oh yeah, I get it the evil media made it all up right? I guess the evil media must have made up the whole scuffle that TO had with Hugh Douglas when TO and him had a scuffle there too. Yeah, hours after it all happened where guys realized they actually had a game to play and questions to answer from the media, there is just no way that Witten would have been trying to save face for the team by saying it didn't happen. He would never lie, he i Witten and he has a family, so everything he says is the truth.

I bet you were one of the same Cowboys fans that swore up and down for years that TO was never going to cause any problems on the team too. :spit:

Texecutioner
05-01-2009, 12:33 AM
Deion doesn't seem so arrogant to me...he's very confident in himself.

Have you ever even listened to Deion talk for like 5 minutes? I can't see how you have by this last statement.


Perhaps that translates to some as arrogance but then we look at him thru different eyes. I like him;

YOu mean as a Cowboys homers eyes where Cowboys players can do no wrong.

I really liked watching him play and I remember he was that missing element the Cowboys needed back in the day.....

What does this have to do with whether Deion is arrogant? Are you going to say that Irvin isn't arrogant as well just because he played for the Cowboys and was a good player?

Texecutioner
05-01-2009, 12:37 AM
With guys like you around, it's not hard for them to get something started about Owens.

Three years, and all of a sudden he's a cancer after the team (t.e.a.m.) lays an egg in Philly.

WOW. I mean hell, it was only right there in front of your eyes on tv almost every week throughout the entire season last year but don't let that get into your way. Yeah, and that entire article and report on page one of this thread that took place before that Philly game where more than one player pretty much confirmed what a cancer he was. But with people like me around the media is able to work their majic on creating a story, but you're not fooled by it one bit because you see right through it. Lol!

Okay, whatever man.

WWJD
05-01-2009, 07:40 AM
I swear some of you Cowboys fans kill me with this stuff.

What did you expect Witten to say "yeah we had a scuffle, and they're lucky that I wasn't able to land a strong punch." Oh yeah, Witten would just NEVER lie to the media for PR reasons now would he? So where did that whole report come from then ha? Oh yeah, I get it the evil media made it all up right? I guess the evil media must have made up the whole scuffle that TO had with Hugh Douglas when TO and him had a scuffle there too. Yeah, hours after it all happened where guys realized they actually had a game to play and questions to answer from the media, there is just no way that Witten would have been trying to save face for the team by saying it didn't happen. He would never lie, he i Witten and he has a family, so everything he says is the truth.

I bet you were one of the same Cowboys fans that swore up and down for years that TO was never going to cause any problems on the team too. :spit:

Well ya know my mistake...I tried to discuss this with you nicely and you throw it back in my face..MY MISTAKE.

I think he was telling the truth. I choose to believe him. So I'll just leave it at that. I believe the 3 guys involved over a reporter.

WWJD
05-01-2009, 07:51 AM
Have you ever even listened to Deion talk for like 5 minutes? I can't see how you have by this last statement.




YOu mean as a Cowboys homers eyes where Cowboys players can do no wrong.



What does this have to do with whether Deion is arrogant? Are you going to say that Irvin isn't arrogant as well just because he played for the Cowboys and was a good player?

Well yea as matter of fact I have talked to Deion and it was for more than 5 minutes..at the Potter's House in Dallas..his home church. Nice guy..same as you see on TV..there is no difference between him on screen and off. He was really nice to me and he is very loud and wears the bling bling but I never got a sense of arrogance. He's pretty much one of those people you either like or don't. I happen to have liked him but I don't know him...it was nothing more than a chance encounter I had that was work related.

Believe it or not I am an adult and have the mental capacity to decide if I like people or don't that doesn't have a thing to do with who they choose to root for NFL wise. I know that may surprise you but that never enters my mind.

I'm like Frog..I have dogged the Cowboys on here when it was deserved..TO, even Romo..while I am a fan I am not a "homer" as you put it. And I can certainly separate the two.

HoustonFrog
05-01-2009, 07:52 AM
Here is an update. I don't believe anyone in the whole thing. I think there was a riff and it was probably not that big of a deal until it got leaked and Werder ran with it. Then people started taking sides.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/brad-johnson-i-was-not-the-snitch.html

Brad Johnson: I was not the snitch
9:54 PM Thu, Apr 30, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Brad Johnson called to adamantly deny the connecting-the-dots theory that he was the infamous Valley Ranch snitch.

Johnson didn't deny that he discussed the T.O./Tony Romo situation with the NFL Network's Warren Sapp, who won a Super Bowl with Johnson as Buccaneers and referenced a conversation with the quarterback during footage of a Ravens-Cowboys production meeting that aired this week.

However, Johnson said he never took sides in the drama and firmly denied that he was a source for ESPN reporter Ed Werder's story about T.O. being jealous of Jason Witten.

"I don't know who was Ed Werder's snitch," said Johnson, a 17-year veteran who was released this off-season. "I don't know. I never asked. There were a lot of things said, and I stayed out of the whole deal."

Johnson said that there was a lot of "miscommunication" in the Cowboys' locker room after the pass-triangle story blew up, but he didn't believe that contributed to the Cowboys' poor finish. He insisted that he did nothing to contribute to the drama.

"I'm telling you that wasn't me," said Johnson, who thought that T.O. and Romo were both right about certain things. "I was not the guy who talked to Ed Werder. I have no clue who said this.

"I don't know who the snitch was. I know it wasn't me."

Honoring Earl 34
05-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Don't know if this was psoted so ... it is now .

http://www.bangcartoon.com/2008/shuffle.htm