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CloakNNNdagger
12-10-2008, 11:22 PM
...........physically or psychologically, per Haynesworth.


[AP] (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gBGlTKUOdQkzavr7ZSTaxXLXqtcgD95058GO0)
Now Schaub and the Texans prepare for their second meeting with AFC South champion Tennessee. Schaub had his worst outing of the year in Game 1 with the Titans, throwing three interceptions with no scores and fumbling twice in the 31-12 loss.

The Titans remember that game, but they also saw what he did to the Packers and vow that he won't do that to them.

"We're going to have to go in there and look to shut them down and not let them gain ... and just embarrass us like he embarrassed Green Bay," Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth said.

Schaub, who wears a large brace on his left knee, was taken down once last week. Haynesworth and the Titans plan to "get after him" a lot more this week.

"That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."

We better be prepared to protect Schaub. Meyers better be able to hold his own. Brown better be assisted if need be. Leach may need to be considered for standing back with Schaub when needed as an "enforcer." Schaub needs to be aware of where Haynesworth is at all times, yet remain calm. Appropriate plays should be planned away from Haynesworth. The cut block needs to be effectively utilized. Enough running plays need to be called to prevent all out bull rushing Schaub.................and if Schaub is unnecessarily manhandled, let one of the OL's Bull's horn see red and impail the SOB.

ATX
12-10-2008, 11:25 PM
All I will say is if they cheap shot Schaub, I hope someone takes Collins down and puts him on IR. Let VY lead them through the playoffs.

Hervoyel
12-10-2008, 11:30 PM
All I will say is if they cheap shot Schaub, I hope someone takes Collins down and puts him on IR. Let VY lead them through the playoffs.

Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble. If retaliation is necessary you want to take Fat Albert out for the season and maybe most of 2009 by running him through the cut-block-express.

infantrycak
12-10-2008, 11:37 PM
Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble. If retaliation is necessary you want to take Fat Albert out for the season and maybe most of 2009 by running him through the cut-block-express.

IF there is a game plan on this kind of thing, it is a Longest Yard scenario and Leach is the guy least likely to get tossed. Honest screen pass call with Leach catching Fat Boy as Pitts lets him inside next to Meyers.

I am not normally into anything to do with hurting another player, but I am tired of Fat Boy's mouth. He has earned whatever he gets.

ATX
12-10-2008, 11:39 PM
Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble. If retaliation is necessary you want to take Fat Albert out for the season and maybe most of 2009 by running him through the cut-block-express.

Hey I never said you couldn't do both.

Wolf
12-10-2008, 11:41 PM
Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble. If retaliation is necessary you want to take Fat Albert out for the season and maybe most of 2009 by running him through the cut-block-express.
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http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w47/img.420966_t.jpg

lmao "lard and tard" :spit:

gtexan02
12-10-2008, 11:42 PM
I say we attempt to cut Haynesworth every single play, if possible. Have the center tell him he's specifically going to try and engage him so leach can take out his knees. Lets get in his head a little, and let him see how it feels

headsplint
12-10-2008, 11:43 PM
IF there is a game plan on this kind of thing, it is a Longest Yard scenario and Leach is the guy least likely to get tossed. Honest screen pass call with Leach catching Fat Boy as Pitts lets him inside Meyers.

I am not normally into anything to do with hurting another player, but I am tired of Fat Boy's mouth. He has earned whatever he gets.

I agree man. I am never an advocate for a player getting injured regardless of the team, but enough is enough with this lard ass. If he takes a shot to the knee and it ends his career I would jump for joy. I hope Matt torches them and we find a way to protect him.

Wolf
12-10-2008, 11:44 PM
I don't wish injury on anyone but I would like to see

Version 2.0 with Leach and Albert in the starring roles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTbCtjX_y0w

Buffi2
12-10-2008, 11:45 PM
There is good news here, however.

Tennessee Titans defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch did not practice on Wednesday because of his sore groin, and is not certain how soon he will return to practice or playing.

Vanden Bosch admitted that with the Titans having already clinched a first-round bye and knocking on the door of home-field advantage for the AFC playoffs, that it might be prudent to proceed with extreme caution over the next few weeks to ensure he is ready for the playoffs.
Titans coach Jeff Fisher said Vanden Bosch would be “day-to-day” as far as practice is concerned and could very well be a “game-time decision” Sunday against the Houston Texans.

And....Other Titans who sat out practice on Wednesday included defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (sore knee), linebacker David Thornton (hip), running back LenDale White (sore knee) and starting cornerbacks Nick Harper (ankle) and Cortland Finnegan (hamstring). Running back Quinton Ganther (hamstring) was limited.

With any luck, they will "save" these guys for the playoffs. I think, should Haynesworth play, we go for the knee. :bat:

Link (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=64705)

DocBar
12-10-2008, 11:47 PM
Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble. If retaliation is necessary you want to take Fat Albert out for the season and maybe most of 2009 by running him through the cut-block-express. HOLY SH*T!!!! I just spit Wild Turkey all over my hotel room. I saw an interview with Chris Johnson and 'tard was the 1st thing that came to mind. RUN, FORREST, RUN!!!! The guy can't get out two ledgible words in a row. I don't take kindly to cheapshots, but if they target one of our own, turnabout's fair play. But please get a RB or DL.

Wolf
12-10-2008, 11:48 PM
There is good news here, however.



And....

With any luck, they will "save" these guys for the playoffs. I think, should Haynesworth play, we go for the knee. :bat:

Link (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=64705)

I may be in the minority (and not singling you out).. but I prefer them (tiny-ones) to be full strength.

what I hate is every year (and it will happen) is fans debate about our record (Texans) and the "hollow wins" of another team resting their starters against us

And understandably so,if I team is already in the playoffs I understand them resting the starters so they can get ready for the 2nd season

with that said, Titans (if I recall) are still fighting for home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

infantrycak
12-10-2008, 11:51 PM
I don't wish injury on anyone but I would like to see

Version 2.0 with Leach and Albert in the starring roles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTbCtjX_y0w

Off topic, but to reinforce a point made in another thread--size isn't everything. Maurice Jones Drew is a great short yardage guy despite size and someone like him would be better as a compliment to SS than being locked into a "big" back and ending up with another ballerina like Jonathon Wells.

toronto
12-11-2008, 12:19 AM
That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."

Wow, what 'dirty' threats! Great idea to respond to a legitimate gameplan to chop his knees out etc.

As they say on ESPN - CMONNNNNN MAN!

Hervoyel
12-11-2008, 12:27 AM
There is good news here, however.



And....

With any luck, they will "save" these guys for the playoffs. I think, should Haynesworth play, we go for the knee. :bat:

Link (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=64705)


Never believe any injury report. If it's the opponent talking then unless the guy is placed on IR he'll probably play and could have a career day against us. If it's us talking then the guy who is probably for next week could go on IR any moment. Just assume the worst where injuries are concerned and then enjoy being pleasantly surprised if it doesn't happen.

Hervoyel
12-11-2008, 12:36 AM
That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."

Wow, what 'dirty' threats! Great idea to respond to a legitimate gameplan to chop his knees out etc.

As they say on ESPN - CMONNNNNN MAN!

Coming from Fat Albert this is cause to take notice. It's not like we're talking about a guy who didn't stomp on another players head. Haynesworth is a turd and what might not get much notice coming from another players mouth comes across entirely differently when he says it. You'll note as well that I said "If retaliation is necessary" and you know what that means.

Hopefully it's not necessary and we have a clean, hard fought game Sunday. If it gets beyond that then Fat Al needs to expect a response this time. His history isn't going to let him sneak up on anybody. The Texans OL will be paying attention and the Titans should understand that the Texans missing Matt Schaub for the rest of this non-playoffs season is a lot easier to swallow than the Titans going into the playoffs with Hayneworth on the sidelines using crutches. Who has more to lose right now?

mussop
12-11-2008, 12:46 AM
That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."

Wow, what 'dirty' threats! Great idea to respond to a legitimate gameplan to chop his knees out etc.

As they say on ESPN - CMONNNNNN MAN!

REALLY!!! WTF!!!
"That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."
Hell Im jealous! I wish we had a gameplan like that. I think most here are as well they just dont want to admit it. If Mario said the exact same thing most here would be sayin Hell Yeah!!! Go get em Mario!! I cant wait for our D players to have that attitude.

Hervoyel
12-11-2008, 12:48 AM
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w47/img.420966_t.jpg

lmao "lard and tard" :spit:

It just came to me while I was glancing down a thread over at the Titans message board where they were all crying about Carolina "stealing" their "Smash and Dash" nickname. I thought "You could always go with Lard and Tard instead" and it stuck.

TexansLucky13
12-11-2008, 12:48 AM
Gameplan to take out Fat Albert: Pay a conditioning coach to place a carton of Twinkies near the Titans bench.

ObsiWan
12-11-2008, 12:49 AM
That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."

Wow, what 'dirty' threats! Great idea to respond to a legitimate gameplan to chop his knees out etc.

As they say on ESPN - CMONNNNNN MAN!

Hey, we'll play clean as long as Hayneswworth does
soon as he gets dirty - i.e., driving Matt's shoulder into the ground or hitting well after the ball is gone - which he's known to have done, its ON

Norg
12-11-2008, 01:02 AM
lets make it very simple have two linemen double eithr the left or right DE and have Matt boot leg from the Double team

besides the best way has u all know to stop a blitz is to run the ball down there thort every time they show blitz just Run the ball

bckey
12-11-2008, 01:08 AM
Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble.

Thats just too funny Herv. :perfect10:

Goatcheese
12-11-2008, 01:11 AM
I think the Titans will be in for a surprise.

"Now Schaub and the Texans prepare for their second meeting with AFC South champion Tennessee. Schaub had his worst outing of the year in Game 1 with the Titans, throwing three interceptions with no scores and fumbling twice in the 31-12 loss."

There were some drops that cost us 2 TDs in the first meeting.

2 TDs puts the Texans on top 26-24, and the desperation throw that led to a defensive TD never happens.

Schaub has been playing much better after the rocky start in the first two games, throwing 11 TDs and 3 INTS in 5 complete games.

I don't know if the Texans will win, but the Titans are for dang sure in for a fight.

mexican_texan
12-11-2008, 01:15 AM
Gameplan to take out Fat Albert: Pay a conditioning coach to place a carton of Twinkies near the Titans bench.
How do you think we shut down LenDale White last time?

DiehardChris
12-11-2008, 01:17 AM
This is their gameplan every single week. It's nothing new.

Spled
12-11-2008, 01:26 AM
Haynesworth's asking for a chop block.

valleytexfan
12-11-2008, 01:48 AM
or a cleat-stomp to the head...wait, that's what HE did.

Cut-block will do just fine. :fans:

eriadoc
12-11-2008, 02:19 AM
Other Titans who sat out practice on Wednesday included defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (sore knee), linebacker David Thornton (hip), running back LenDale White (sore knee) and starting cornerbacks Nick Harper (ankle) and Cortland Finnegan (hamstring). Running back Quinton Ganther (hamstring) was limited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssAvULPzuzg

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 08:52 AM
Gameplan to take out Fat Albert: Pay a conditioning coach to place a carton of Twinkies near the Titans bench.

Yeh..........And that would probably lead to game-threatening injuries to both Haynesworth and white during the fight that ensues

maddogmrb
12-11-2008, 10:10 AM
REALLY!!! WTF!!!
"That's our game plan," he said. "Hit the quarterback as many times as we possibly can. He'll start cringing before you even get there ... we want the quarterback to think about us and not think about throwing the ball down the field."
Hell Im jealous! I wish we had a gameplan like that. I think most here are as well they just dont want to admit it. If Mario said the exact same thing most here would be sayin Hell Yeah!!! Go get em Mario!! I cant wait for our D players to have that attitude.

Amen! Our players and D coaches need to have that attitude!

GP
12-11-2008, 10:12 AM
I think we're going to see a fight. I mean a real fistfight on the field.

I have no doubt that the Texans are going to strike back if the Titans try any questionable stuff. From what I saw in the game vs. Green Bay, this is a team that seems to be focused (finally). The first part of the season they seemed to be in a fog...of course that's during the hurricane episode, so it's expected.

I don't think the Titans are prepared for what's about to happen this Sunday.

Honoring Earl 34
12-11-2008, 10:18 AM
I think we're going to see a fight. I mean a real fistfight on the field.

I have no doubt that the Texans are going to strike back if the Titans try any questionable stuff. From what I saw in the game vs. Green Bay, this is a team that seems to be focused (finally). The first part of the season they seemed to be in a fog...of course that's during the hurricane episode, so it's expected.

I don't think the Titans are prepared for what's about to happen this Sunday.

With a bully you hit them first and hit them hard . That seems to take the starch out of them .

SheTexan
12-11-2008, 10:25 AM
I don't think the Titans are prepared for what's about to happen this Sunday.

They'll be prepared all right. JF will make sure of it, even if he has to turn his back to Hinnybutts antics. He has BALLS, which is something Kubes has yet to grow. JMO

Honoring Earl 34
12-11-2008, 10:40 AM
They'll be prepared all right. JF will make sure of it, even if he has to turn his back to Hinnybutts antics. He has BALLS, which is something Kubes has yet to grow. JMO

I think you can be tough without being dirty , I'd like to see us be tough . I want to see hits on Collins and stuff the run . I want the stadium to be so loud that the Titans can't hear and have to go on movement which gives us a chance to put lots of pressure on Collins and force mistakes .

Wolf
12-11-2008, 10:43 AM
Well collins does kinda look like this guy, :chickendance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itm0acMsjow

maybe sunday......

Honoring Earl 34
12-11-2008, 10:50 AM
Ryans on Sunday .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATulR6fmcA&feature=related

Dread-Head
12-11-2008, 10:50 AM
I do NOT believe in the Hammurabi code's "An eye for an eye.";however, I DO believe if the other guy cost you an eye, you completely blind him then break one of his knees...but that's just me.

Ole Miss Texan
12-11-2008, 10:53 AM
I say we need to sign Dayne to a one game deal and let him run into the back of Haynsworth's legs.

If we don't see some sort of attitude from our OL this game, we should all be very worried. They are there to protect our QB and if someone gets through to Schaub, they need to act like every other OL in the league and get the D player away. I'm sick and tired of seeing Schaub get rid of the ball yet the DLman still pushes him down and there's no sort of action taken by our OL.

I'm waiting for Winston to turn around and see Fat Al and completely blindside him. I would not be surprised in the least bit if we see a few skirmishes this game.

Joe Texan
12-11-2008, 10:57 AM
Just an old fashion beatdown of Battle Red proportions. I say be the bigger man and never wish injury on another player, Consider Mrs. Hineysworth and how she would feel if Alberta got her pinky hurt.
If we prepare and play like we have tha last three weeks we have just as good a chance as they do.
Skill and execution win football games.
Being vindictive will send you to hell.

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 11:03 AM
With a bully you hit them first and hit them hard . That seems to take the starch out of them .

If we come out like BULLS out of the stall, we have a good chance of winning this game. If we come out like COWS, we're gonna get milked, with or without turnovers

toronto
12-11-2008, 11:09 AM
Just an old fashion beatdown of Battle Red proportions. I say be the bigger man and never wish injury on another player, Consider Mrs. Hineysworth and how she would feel if Alberta got her pinky hurt.
If we prepare and play like we have tha last three weeks we have just as good a chance as they do.
Skill and execution win football games.
Being vindictive will send you to hell.

I doubt she cares, she divorced him. :whip:

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 11:11 AM
I say we need to sign Dayne to a one game deal and let him run into the back of Haynsworth's legs.

If we don't see some sort of attitude from our OL this game, we should all be very worried. They are there to protect our QB and if someone gets through to Schaub, they need to act like every other OL in the league and get the D player away. I'm sick and tired of seeing Schaub get rid of the ball yet the DLman still pushes him down and there's no sort of action taken by our OL.

I'm waiting for Winston to turn around and see Fat Al and completely blindside him. I would not be surprised in the least bit if we see a few skirmishes this game.

Agreed.

http://beat.bodoglife.com/wp-content/uploads/albert_haynesworth_200311_ap.jpg

If scenes like this are recreated without half of our team quickly obscurring Haynesworth's silhouette, teams will continue to game plan for the wuss team we've thus far shown to be.

Big Lou
12-11-2008, 11:16 AM
Nope. Collins isn't "the key" there. At this point VY could probably go in and hand off the ball to "Lard and 'Tard" without much trouble. If retaliation is necessary you want to take Fat Albert out for the season and maybe most of 2009 by running him through the cut-block-express.

I read that if Schaub gets cheap shoted by Haynesworth that Gibbs is going to personally chop block him into 2009!

RMB_Titan
12-11-2008, 11:24 AM
I read that if Schaub gets cheap shoted by Haynesworth that Gibbs is going to personally chop block him into 2009!
The accusations seem to be rampant in this thread.
Please cite (i.e. by videos) me some examples of where Al has cheap shotted Schaub.
As for the head stomping incident that you guys (and the rest of the league) can't seem to get over:
In the words of Smokey from Friday: Why you brinin' up ol' shit?

How do you think we shut down LenDale White last time?
The same way we kept Slaton to a lowly 17 yards in the 2nd half?

GP
12-11-2008, 11:26 AM
If the OL doesn't defend Schaub on the knock-downs and after-play activities...then Kubiak should be fired at the end of the season.

Coaches need to remind people that you have to stand up for your teammates. Risk an ejection. It doesn't matter. Your QB is valuable, and you can't keep losing him to thugs like Haynesworth and Allen. You just can't.

And our history has been that we roll over and even freaking IGNORE what's happening to our QB after the play.

I think Steve McKinney might be the only guy who I can remember running over to help our QB. That was soooo long ago, though.

This OL better have been taught, this week, that they will certainly be expected to keep an eye on the questionable activities right after the ball is out of Schaub's hands or when he's getting tackled.

We need to run sets of Slaton and Leach in the backfield, early in the game, to gang up on Albert and KVB to take some piss and vinegar out of them. You know they will be charging on ever snap. I said the same freaking thing vs. Vikings: Take the piss and vinegar out of them early on, show them they AIN'T gonna' get to the QB...we might go 3-and-out a few possessions early on...but they AIN'T getting to Schaub. And yet we have Vikings' dlineman beating our olineman easily and hurting Schaub in the process.

It seems so simple, to me. Hold the fort up front, and watch them slow down after getting burned. Run screens, shovel passes, RB dump off passes, etc., to take advantage of the FACT that they are going to be racing upfield towards Schaub.

Let's see if Kubiak learned anything from the past meetings vs. Titans, as well as the Vikings game where we faced a stout dline. That's what this game will hinge upon: Has Kubiak learned anything, and can he implement it? Or will he stick his head in the stand and just go about business as usual? That will work vs. the Lions or Bengals. Not so much against Steelers, Vikings, Titans. Correct?

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 11:38 AM
For anyone who might be surprised by some of the venom spewed in this thread towards Haynesworth...............you might want to see this short clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ). Despite the fact that it involves a Cowboys player on the receiving end, it still leaves you with a cold chill as to the inner "workings" of the mindset of a not so "nice" character.

toronto
12-11-2008, 11:45 AM
For anyone who might be surprised by some of the venom spewed in this thread towards Haynesworth...............you might want to see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ. Despite the fact that it involves a Cowboys player on the receiving end, it still leaves you with a cold chill as to the inner "workings" of the mindset of a not so "nice" character.

And since that incident (which pissed me off bigtime BTW), the man served his suspension (I was fine if he had been put on the sideline for the season) and since then, has cleaned up his act bigtime. He's become a leader on the field, and much more humble off it. He had two choices after that moment - go to football hell and never come out of it, or grow the hell up and get some maturity. He chose the latter, and the Titans have benefitted bigtime from it.

Go ahead and judge him based on that, but there is a significant amount of time that has elapsed since then and he has done absolutely nothing but play clean tough football.

But based on some of these ridiculous posts rooting for players to hurt Al, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be rooting for him to squash the hell out of your QB again.

Brando
12-11-2008, 11:49 AM
If we come out like BULLS out of the stall, we have a good chance of winning this game. If we come out like COWS, we're gonna get milked, with or without turnovers

That is signature worthy.:tiphat:


I want the Texans to come out and smash Haynesworth in the mouth first. Like the block Dreesen put on Vanden Bosch n Lomb early in the 1st game in Tennessee. Like CnD said we need to come out like Bulls out of the stall.

Joe Texan
12-11-2008, 11:54 AM
Hey Canadien, I was talking bout her momma,
And now it is Gloves Off

There once was a hill with a titan
till the Bull knocked him off
now thats football

Brando
12-11-2008, 12:09 PM
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w47/img.420966_t.jpg

lmao "lard and tard" :spit:


Looks like Lenwhale and Fat Albert was disappointed that there wasn't enough food on the table.

Goldensilence
12-11-2008, 12:18 PM
I'm not advocating hurting anyone but this line needs to do what is within the confines of the game to protect our QB. I hope Haynesworth spouting off drives that into their minds and makes them focus on him. IF the Texans are going to pull the upset we're going to have to keep Matt upright and create holes for Slaton.

On defense we need Mario to take this to heart and go after Collins every chance he gets. We might not be built to play smash mouth football but if we play smart we'll be in every game.

RMB_Titan
12-11-2008, 12:23 PM
And since that incident (which pissed me off bigtime BTW), the man served his suspension (I was fine if he had been put on the sideline for the season) and since then, has cleaned up his act bigtime. He's become a leader on the field, and much more humble off it. He had two choices after that moment - go to football hell and never come out of it, or grow the hell up and get some maturity. He chose the latter, and the Titans have benefitted bigtime from it.
THIS!!!! ^^^^
Honestly, get over it already. Do any of you see any of us bringing up David Carr? Didn't think so.

But based on some of these ridiculous posts rooting for players to hurt Al, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be rooting for him to squash the hell out of your QB again.
Don't worry. I'm sure Al and crew have thought of this by now and will be more than ready for any chop blocking.
Oh and remember, even if Al isn't on the line, we have an up and coming beast by the name of Jason Jones to fill in for him. Same deal with up and coming Dave Ball(and Jacob Ford) filling in for KVB. So don't think you'll see any less pressure with either or both (Al and KVB) on the sidelines.

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 12:31 PM
For anyone who might be surprised by some of the venom spewed in this thread towards Haynesworth...............you might want to see this short clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ). Despite the fact that it involves a Cowboys player on the receiving end, it still leaves you with a cold chill as to the inner "workings" of the mindset of a not so "nice" character.

I didn't need to see that clip to remind me why Fat Albert is a punk. Titan fan can defend him all they want, but facts are facts. Driving a QB into the turf after the ball is gone is cheap. Whining like a little beyotch because of a blocking scheme is weak...

Brando
12-11-2008, 12:32 PM
THIS!!!! ^^^^
Honestly, get over it already. Do any of you see any of us bringing up David Carr? Didn't think so.


Don't worry. I'm sure Al and crew have thought of this by now and will be more than ready for any chop blocking.
Oh and remember, even if Al isn't on the line, we have an up and coming beast by the name of Jason Jones to fill in for him. Same deal with up and coming Dave Ball(and Jacob Ford) filling in for KVB. So don't think you'll see any less pressure with either or both (Al and KVB) on the sidelines.


Why would you? He is no monger on our roster, he is on the Giants roster as a back up. Albert Haynesworth is a dirty player that is still on your roster that has put a cheap shot on our QB already.



Simple. Fat Albert is a POS.

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 12:34 PM
And since that incident (which pissed me off bigtime BTW), the man served his suspension (I was fine if he had been put on the sideline for the season) and since then, has cleaned up his act bigtime. He's become a leader on the field, and much more humble off it.

Humble?!? Pffffffft. Pleeeeease!!

threetoedpete
12-11-2008, 12:38 PM
I may be in the minority (and not singling you out).. but I prefer them (tiny-ones) to be full strength.

what I hate is every year (and it will happen) is fans debate about our record (Texans) and the "hollow wins" of another team resting their starters against us

And understandably so,if I team is already in the playoffs I understand them resting the starters so they can get ready for the 2nd season

with that said, Titans (if I recall) are still fighting for home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

The bottom line with this season is that for all the QB turnovers, all of the missed tackles and DBs being burnt, and all of the times Rick Smith didn't send six..... or did and no one got there: We had our shot early in the season with the first Jacksonville and Indy games.

Hollow ? Knowing with those two games in our hip pocket, we wouldn't only be pressing for a play off spot, we'd hold tie breakers on a couple of teams.

No matter what happens the rest of the way, They drafted with a lot of chips on Okoye. They gave a lot of faith in Green, Weaver and Greenwood.

And all season long Okoye has been a half step/ second too slow making plays. Weaver has turned the jets on....but just as the play on the goal line demonstrates when he had Rodgers one on one on the goal line and missed, he's lost what ever explosion they saw when they picked him up.
Greenwood has been marginal in space for a while now.
That is the Texans '08 season in a pea pod. 6-10 or 9-7 really doesn't matter. They had their shot in '08 and spit the bit in October. Moral victories are for losers.

Thorn
12-11-2008, 12:39 PM
THIS!!!! ^^^^
Honestly, get over it already. Do any of you see any of us bringing up David Carr? Didn't think so.


Don't worry. I'm sure Al and crew have thought of this by now and will be more than ready for any chop blocking.
Oh and remember, even if Al isn't on the line, we have an up and coming beast by the name of Jason Jones to fill in for him. Same deal with up and coming Dave Ball(and Jacob Ford) filling in for KVB. So don't think you'll see any less pressure with either or both (Al and KVB) on the sidelines.

Fat Albert is a dirty player who deliberatly takes cheap shots to injure other players when he can. He is a POS and so is anybody who defends him.

toronto
12-11-2008, 12:42 PM
Humble?!? Pffffffft. Pleeeeease!!

Guess we'll agree to disagree here Bill, although your commentary about my (lack thereof) set of teeth reminds me that you don't exactly spew a lack of emotion on the subject.

toronto
12-11-2008, 12:43 PM
Fat Albert is a dirty player who deliberatly takes cheap shots to injure other players when he can. He is a POS and so is anybody who defends him.

Guess I'm a POS then.

HOU-TEX
12-11-2008, 12:44 PM
And since that incident (which pissed me off bigtime BTW), the man served his suspension (I was fine if he had been put on the sideline for the season) and since then, has cleaned up his act bigtime. He's become a leader on the field, and much more humble off it. He had two choices after that moment - go to football hell and never come out of it, or grow the hell up and get some maturity. He chose the latter, and the Titans have benefitted bigtime from it.

Go ahead and judge him based on that, but there is a significant amount of time that has elapsed since then and he has done absolutely nothing but play clean tough football.

But based on some of these ridiculous posts rooting for players to hurt Al, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be rooting for him to squash the hell out of your QB again.

Let me start off by saying I think Fat Al's an asshat.

That said, I guess I'm just old school when it comes to football. I think with each play there should be an all out war in the trenches. Even though Fat Al has done some stupid things, he's a beast in the trenches.

Some people around here ***** about the way Al plays, yet would want him to be a Texan in a heartbeat.

Old School = Deacon Jones, Howie Long, Lyle Alzado, Elvin Bethea, Curly Culp, Mean Joe Green, Ed 'Too Tall' Jones, Bill Romanowski, Ronnie Lott, Randy White, Jack Lambert, Joe Klecko, etc., etc.

I don't think many old school players gave a damn if they hurt your QB much less anyone else. LOL!

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 12:47 PM
Guess we'll agree to disagree here Bill, although your commentary about my (lack thereof) set of teeth reminds me that you don't exactly spew a lack of emotion on the subject.

I thought you once told me that you were originally from Houston?? Thus, you have a full set of teeth.

b0ng
12-11-2008, 12:47 PM
How are any of you surprised that Albert Haynesworth is talking shit about our QB before our two teams play?

Where have you guys been the last 2 seasons?

Also RMB_Titan: Your boy Haynesworth got fined and flagged by the league multiple times for late hits and helmet-to-helmet jobbers (Especially last year). If your ignorant of these incidents there's a webpage called "google" that could probably answer any of your inquiries.

Porky
12-11-2008, 12:48 PM
We need to establish the run early and often, consume clock and keep the pressure on Collins and Co on defense. If the Titans get some picks and/or get up by 2-3 scores, they are going to ignore the run, pin their ears back and come at Schaub.

If they start blitzing a lot, some draws, screens and the like should help. That little screen pass to Slaton last week was drawn up to perfection. Come on Titans, I dare ya. Send the crew, and Slaton will see you in the end zone after torching you for 6.

But, my game plan would be heavy run the first couple of series until we can get a better sense of their game plan and then ease into a 50/50 run pass mix if at all possible.

On defense, I would focus on slowing their running game first and foremost, so that likely means bringing 8 in the box on most plays, and a couple of well timed blitzes each quarter to throw off Collins should keep us in the game.

As far as Fat Albert, let him try it. I was disgusted last game with his late hits. Enough already. I'm tired of the Texans playing soft and having a soft persona. We need to send a message to the other 31 teams. If he keeps hitting Schaub after the play or in a dirty manner, it's time to bring out the hammer on this guy and let him have it.

JDizzle
12-11-2008, 12:49 PM
Guess I'm a POS then.

Whine all you want but we're talking about retaliation rather than hurting him for the hell of it. After he ousted Schaub last year with his cheap shot there's no reason not to think he'll do it again especially after the crap he's said about him since.

mexican_texan
12-11-2008, 12:50 PM
I think Steve McKinney might be the only guy who I can remember running over to help our QB. That was soooo long ago, though.
Winston says they don't even notice he gets hit until the play's over. He said if he'd seen Allen hit Schaub's knee, he would have personally taken out Allen.

toronto
12-11-2008, 12:51 PM
Whine all you want but we're talking about retaliation rather than hurting him for the hell of it. After he ousted Schaub last year with his cheap shot there's no reason not to think he'll do it again especially after the crap he's said about him since.

I called myself a POS and you say I'm whining? LMAO.

I'm just stunned that some of you are openly advocating taking his knees out and ruining his career. Classy and a lot worse IMO. What was his crime? A hard hit on a QB? Wow, defensive players never do that, although if Ryans were to do that I'll bet anything I own Texans' fans will be cheering the hell out of it.

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Let me start off by saying I think Fat Al's an asshat.

That said, I guess I'm just old school when it comes to football. I think with each play there should be an all out war in the trenches. Even though Fat Al has done some stupid things, he's a beast in the trenches.

Some people around here ***** about the way Al plays, yet would want him to be a Texan in a heartbeat.

Old School = Deacon Jones, Howie Long, Lyle Alzado, Elvin Bethea, Curly Culp, Mean Joe Green, Ed 'Too Tall' Jones, Bill Romanowski, Ronnie Lott, Randy White, Jack Lambert, Joe Klecko, etc., etc.

I don't think many old school players gave a damn if they hurt your QB much less anyone else. LOL!


All out war......... within the definitions of the rules - and / or called it both ways equally. Guarantee you that if TJ drove Collins into the ground, it's called every single time.

toronto
12-11-2008, 12:52 PM
I thought you once told me that you were originally from Houston?? Thus, you have a full set of teeth.

Having some fun Bro :) Had to give you a little hell. And yes I'm from Houston, which means I've also been to tons of smaller Texan towns that need dental interventions :)

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 12:54 PM
Having some fun Bro :) Had to give you a little hell. And yes I'm from Houston, which means I've also been to tons of smaller Texan towns that need dental interventions :)

We warn people to stay away from East Texas, errrrrrr West Louisianna.

Thorn
12-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Playing hard nosed football is one thing, football is a violent sport. Deliberately trying to injure another player is quite another. There're not a lot of players who do that, but Haineworth is one of them.

Joe Texan
12-11-2008, 12:58 PM
Toothless Texan girls is cause thats the way some guys like em
Toothless Tennessean is cause there "aint no deentest in Teenessee"

Come on Canadien Tack fan it is war week and your trying to play nice.
let me rephraze

GLOVES ARE OFF

toronto
12-11-2008, 01:00 PM
Toothless Texan girls is cause thats the way some guys like em
Toothless Tennessean is cause there "aint no deentest in Teenessee"

Come on Canadien Tack fan it is war week and your trying to play nice.
let me rephraze

GLOVES ARE OFF

Sry man, it's the 12-1 in me that has me playing nice. You guys win it's your Super Bowl. We win it's....13-1. We lose, we then have to care about the Steelers game. I can live with the downside.

Now if we were 8-5? Yeah big man, it would be on. :foottap:

toronto
12-11-2008, 01:05 PM
Playing hard nosed football is one thing, football is a violent sport. Deliberately trying to injure another player is quite another. There're not a lot of players who do that, but Haineworth is one of them.

You're completely deluded if you don't think players on every team don't play with some edge.

I cover this league for my network and do 2 or 3 games minimum per week for scripting/highlights. There's a crappy hit that I would define as 'edgy' on almost every series - the difference only becomes when the player delivering the hit is from the home team that day. Then the stadium roars in approval.

I would easily state that the Hines Ward hit on Keith Rivers, or the Darrell Reid hits, or the hit by the Steeler CB/S that nearly killed Wes Welker were a hell of a lot more disgusting than the Hayneworth hit on Schaub, but like the Al hit, were defined as LEGAL.

Hervoyel
12-11-2008, 01:23 PM
Guess I'm a POS then.

You're not a POS toronto. You're a Titan fan and at times, depending on the forum and the week of the season that's arguably worse.

I like you man. In the NSZ we seem to often be on the same page and I respect your takes on many things. This weird allegiance to the Titans you have going on is the only real "problem" I ever have with you.

I've finally reached the point where I have this intense hatred of the Titans (and to a lesser degree the Colts) and to me that's a sign that I'm starting to truly care about the rivalries in the AFC South. I don't hate the Jags or Jags fan because those guys have been stumbling around in the dark since this division was formed. It's probably got a lot to do with the fact that in that matchup we've given as good as we've got so far. That can't be said for the Titans or the Colts. Both teams have owned us since we entered the league and I'm ready for it to come to a screeching halt. Enough is enough. To me "The Rosencopter Incident" as it will forever be known was like a dagger through my heart. It hurt to watch that happen and to have Schaub out for both matchups with them this year kills me.

Getting back to the Titans and the way this series has developed I dare say that to Houston NFL fan the Titans are sort of the AFC South's version of the Steelers. Theyr'e the target and the game that we seem to almost always lose but that we want more than anything. Sure the Colts are kind of like that too but the Titans have such an odd Houston connection that it pushes them out in front where the hatred is concerned. That's really it. I hate the Titans and (without it being personal if that's possible) I hate Titans fans. I want to see all of you disappointed every year, every week if possible. It's out of my hands toronto. This week I hate you. Sorry.

TexanSam
12-11-2008, 01:28 PM
Too bad it won't snow Sunday. Woulda been cool to throw snowballs at the Titans

RMB_Titan
12-11-2008, 01:29 PM
How are any of you surprised that Albert Haynesworth is talking shit about our QB before our two teams play?

Where have you guys been the last 2 seasons?
Well considering Schaub has been our tackling dummy ever since he became a Texan, I can see where he's coming from.

Also RMB_Titan: Your boy Haynesworth got fined and flagged by the league multiple times for late hits and helmet-to-helmet jobbers (Especially last year). If your ignorant of these incidents there's a webpage called "google" that could probably answer any of your inquiries.
Yes he did, unjustly I might add. The (extremely shitty) refs were unfairly watching him and would flag him for anything. I saw plenty of plays after that where the defender was much more obvious in roughing the passer than Al was and they didn't get called. Why? Because they weren't Haynesworth.
You should know as well as I do, the reffing in this league over the past few years, has went to shit; and that's every team, not just where we're concerned.
When Al 'suplexed' Maurice Jones Drew last year, he got flagged and fined for that, even though that tackle was just as legal as the speed limit.

Why would you? He is no monger on our roster, he is on the Giants roster as a back up. Albert Haynesworth is a dirty player that is still on your roster that has put a cheap shot on our QB already.


Whine all you want but we're talking about retaliation rather than hurting him for the hell of it. After he ousted Schaub last year with his cheap shot there's no reason not to think he'll do it again especially after the crap he's said about him since.
Exactly which play are you talking about? The one where he runs at Schaub, hits him and wraps him up simultaneously, and they both fall to the ground like a pair of trees? That was a legal hit buddy.

infantrycak
12-11-2008, 01:36 PM
Exactly which play are you talking about? The one where he runs at Schaub, hits him and wraps him up simultaneously, and they both fall to the ground like a pair of trees? That was a legal hit buddy.

Look, we can argue over whether that should have been legal, but clear as day under the existing rules that was an illegal hit. A defensive player can't drive his body into the QB like Haynesworth did. Stop whining about it. And Texans fans need to stop whining about Haynesworth generally and the team needs to do their job to stop him. He is a great player who occasionally gets overenthusiastic. So be it.

JDizzle
12-11-2008, 01:36 PM
I called myself a POS and you say I'm whining? LMAO.

I'm just stunned that some of you are openly advocating taking his knees out and ruining his career. Classy and a lot worse IMO. What was his crime? A hard hit on a QB? Wow, defensive players never do that, although if Ryans were to do that I'll bet anything I own Texans' fans will be cheering the hell out of it.

I was referencing all your comments, but I really hate long post quotes so I didn't do all of them.

But yeah, nothing wrong with people talking about retaliation in the event of another cheap shot. Someone saying he should be hurt on purpose just because he's an asshole is a different story and I haven't seen anyone here talking about that.

Besides it's mostly trash talking ... you really need to lighten up.

Pantherstang84
12-11-2008, 01:53 PM
I say chop him on every play. Every play. Chop until he is on the sideline with ice packs on his knees. The only way you stop his crap it to take him out.

Call me classless if you want. That's just how I would do it. If I'm Gibbs, I'm offering to treat the entire line corps to Fugo De Chao if they take him out of the game.

b0ng
12-11-2008, 02:03 PM
I say chop him on every play. Every play. Chop until he is on the sideline with ice packs on his knees. The only way you stop his crap it to take him out.

Call me classless if you want. That's just how I would do it. If I'm Gibbs, I'm offering to treat the entire line corps to Fugo De Chao if they take him out of the game.

Screw that I'd take em to Fantasies Cabaret if I was treated to a press conference where Albert Haynesworth was bitching about "cut blocking" and "dirty tactics" after our tilt on Sunday.

HOU-TEX
12-11-2008, 02:17 PM
Look, we can argue over whether that should have been legal, but clear as day under the existing rules that was an illegal hit. A defensive player can't drive his body into the QB like Haynesworth did. Stop whining about it. And Texans fans need to stop whining about Haynesworth generally and the team needs to do their job to stop him. He is a great player who occasionally gets overenthusiastic. So be it.

Agreed!!

Chance_C
12-11-2008, 02:19 PM
Toothless Texan girls is cause thats the way some guys like em
Toothless Tennessean is cause there "aint no deentest in Teenessee"

Ted_C ???????..............

eriadoc
12-11-2008, 02:26 PM
To Toronto, or anyone else claiming Haynesworth has played clean ball since his incident -

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3640643)

Chuck Smith, sitting 249 miles away in Atlanta, saw Haynesworth's merciless act and knew what was needed. The former Falcons defensive lineman operates Defensive Line, Inc., teaching combat to struggling pass-rushers. Guys like Atlanta's Patrick Kerney, Carolina's Mike Rucker and New Orleans' Charles Grant have employed him. Smith and Haynesworth had met before, both being former Tennessee Vols, but had never exchanged more than passing hellos until the day after Haynesworth's suspension, when his cell phone rang.

"You're in a tough situation," Smith said to him. "But I want to teach you. If they play dirty, you've got to play dirty too." To Smith, Haynesworth lost control because he was letting opponents kick his butt with no repercussions. No one feared him. "You've gotta learn how to get after their asses."

Those words resonated in a way that reflection in Peters' office could not. So every Tuesday, with the full knowledge of his coaches back at the Titans' facility, Haynesworth drove his Ford F-650 four hours south to an Atlanta football field. There, Smith would set up blocking dummies and video equipment and shower his pupil with a different kind of therapy.

"Light his ass up!"

"You can shatter a guy's forearm, and it's legal!"

"You can throw your arms at a guy's unprotected ribs, and it's legal!"

He taught his pupil how to use his hands and arms as legal weapons. And he taught him what Smith calls a pick play, in which a defensive tackle dives at an otherwise engaged offensive lineman—a reverse cut block as dirty as any thrown by an offensive guard. "Hey, it's not illegal," Smith says.

YOU PROBABLY didn't see what he did.

It's the second quarter of a game between the Titans and the Texans on Dec. 10. Houston calls a stretch run left, a bread-and-butter cut-blocking play. Haynesworth springs from his three-point stance, but instead of waiting for a blocker to take out his knees, he throws his left arm into the ribs of left guard Chester Pitts. Pitts is stopped cold. Haynesworth's arm continues its uppercut until his hand hits Pitts' chin, snapping back the 320-pounder's head as if flicking off a bottle cap. Haynesworth finishes him off by planting him on his ass. He doesn't make the tackle, but announcers rave about how, since his return, teams don't run so easily on the Titans. That night, Haynesworth's cell buzzes with an approving text from Smith. That week, Haynesworth's agent will get word that the Titans are open to a contract extension.

So if you want to talk about how Haynesworth has gotten away with some things, just like every other football player, or you want to say how he's mostly played within the rules, I'm OK with that. But there is no freakin' way that I'm buying this "Haynesworth is a reformed man" bullshit. He's a dirty player, and that's that.

Incidentally, this article is one of the reasons that I disagree with those who say he'll go back to being an average player once he gets his payday. He changed as a person after the Gurode incident, and not for the better as a person. As a DT, he's better, though. Just don't try and sell me anything else, because I'm not buying it.

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 02:44 PM
Ted_C ???????..............

I'll fill in for Ted (scary that I learned Joe Texanese);

Some Texas guys may like toothless women for a particular act.
Women in Tennessee are toothless because they have no dental medicine or, dental hygeine.

infantrycak
12-11-2008, 02:53 PM
Women in Tennessee are toothless because they have no dental medicine or, dental hygeine.

Naaah. It's because the possums like it that way--"I like the way it squishes on my tail."

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 02:54 PM
Naaah. It's because the possums like it that way--"I like the way it squishes on my tail."

:spit: I wasn't ready for that.

Double Barrel
12-11-2008, 02:55 PM
I wish our D-linemen had a mean streak like Haynesworth has got, one that gets into opposing QB's heads and rattles around enough to make them think about the pass rush instead of the job at hand.

I have to wonder how many Haynesworth jerseys would be sold in Houston if he was a Texan next year. I'd guess a lot...but it'll never happen. His image is much to mean for this franchise.

I don't like the guy, but not because of the way he plays. In that regard, he's "old school" like Deacon Jones, who was notorious for putting metal bars in his arm wrappings so he could ding the offensive linemen's bells. You have to be mean to be an effective defensive lineman in the NFL. Maybe not personality-wise, but definitely your intentions on the field. Nobody makes the Pro-Bowl or Hall of Fame by being a nice defender. I have yet to see a great D-lineman that roasts marshmallows and sings Kum-By-Yah to opposing QBs.

No, I don't like the guy because he's a Titan. And that's reason enough not to like the dude. But, put him on my team and I'll be one of his biggest fans. We need a guy like him, because together with Mario, we'd have one helluva' defensive line that other teams would fear.

toronto
12-11-2008, 03:01 PM
I was referencing all your comments, but I really hate long post quotes so I didn't do all of them.

But yeah, nothing wrong with people talking about retaliation in the event of another cheap shot. Someone saying he should be hurt on purpose just because he's an asshole is a different story and I haven't seen anyone here talking about that.

Besides it's mostly trash talking ... you really need to lighten up.

Take my word for it - I'm taking a lot of this with a grain of salt. I get along well with many of the longtimers here and enjoy discussing politics with them. Life will go on after Sunday.

toronto
12-11-2008, 03:06 PM
You're not a POS toronto. You're a Titan fan and at times, depending on the forum and the week of the season that's arguably worse.

I like you man. In the NSZ we seem to often be on the same page and I respect your takes on many things. This weird allegiance to the Titans you have going on is the only real "problem" I ever have with you.

I've finally reached the point where I have this intense hatred of the Titans (and to a lesser degree the Colts) and to me that's a sign that I'm starting to truly care about the rivalries in the AFC South. I don't hate the Jags or Jags fan because those guys have been stumbling around in the dark since this division was formed. It's probably got a lot to do with the fact that in that matchup we've given as good as we've got so far. That can't be said for the Titans or the Colts. Both teams have owned us since we entered the league and I'm ready for it to come to a screeching halt. Enough is enough. To me "The Rosencopter Incident" as it will forever be known was like a dagger through my heart. It hurt to watch that happen and to have Schaub out for both matchups with them this year kills me.

Getting back to the Titans and the way this series has developed I dare say that to Houston NFL fan the Titans are sort of the AFC South's version of the Steelers. Theyr'e the target and the game that we seem to almost always lose but that we want more than anything. Sure the Colts are kind of like that too but the Titans have such an odd Houston connection that it pushes them out in front where the hatred is concerned. That's really it. I hate the Titans and (without it being personal if that's possible) I hate Titans fans. I want to see all of you disappointed every year, every week if possible. It's out of my hands toronto. This week I hate you. Sorry.

We're good Herv. Trust me, I still wonder why the hell I still root for Bud's team. I have the same Oiler blood in my veins as you, and I was stunned when the teams played for the first time that my heart was still with the Titans. I guess my years in Houston have diminished in my heart - only the Astros remain...Also, I guess after investing so much in the team for the last 30 years, I just want the payoff I feel I deserve. One frigging championship.

Based on my shrugs to several posts, it'll take a few losses, including a critical one, to get my hate on for the Texans. Until then you guys still remain a benign team to me.

toronto
12-11-2008, 03:09 PM
To Toronto, or anyone else claiming Haynesworth has played clean ball since his incident -

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3640643)







So if you want to talk about how Haynesworth has gotten away with some things, just like every other football player, or you want to say how he's mostly played within the rules, I'm OK with that. But there is no freakin' way that I'm buying this "Haynesworth is a reformed man" bullshit. He's a dirty player, and that's that.

Incidentally, this article is one of the reasons that I disagree with those who say he'll go back to being an average player once he gets his payday. He changed as a person after the Gurode incident, and not for the better as a person. As a DT, he's better, though. Just don't try and sell me anything else, because I'm not buying it.

I rememeber that Smith bit - lemme repeat - the man changed after the Garude incident, which was appalling. Since then, he's been something that I, and may others, are deeming OK to root for. The Garude thing? I was fine if they had cut him after that. Otherwise, I'm not going to even try to sell you shit. If he were a Texan, you wouldn't have ever complained. End of story.

Mr teX
12-11-2008, 03:14 PM
...........physically or psychologically, per Haynesworth.


[AP] (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gBGlTKUOdQkzavr7ZSTaxXLXqtcgD95058GO0)


We better be prepared to protect Schaub. Meyers better be able to hold his own. Brown better be assisted if need be. Leach may need to be considered for standing back with Schaub when needed as an "enforcer." Schaub needs to be aware of where Haynesworth is at all times, yet remain calm. Appropriate plays should be planned away from Haynesworth. The cut block needs to be effectively utilized. Enough running plays need to be called to prevent all out bull rushing Schaub.................and if Schaub is unnecessarily manhandled, let one of the OL's Bull's horn see red and impail the SOB.


no news here,he just said what every defensive player wants to do to qb's; nothing in there about cheapshots. I really wish the schaub & texans would shut this fat punk up though...

GP
12-11-2008, 03:44 PM
I think it's the gleam in Albert's eyes when he starts talking about it.

THAT'S what pisses people off.

OK, go out and play hard. Hit hard. I mean, you're supposed to give it your all. But when you act all giddy about it; when your eyes light up about it; when you know that you know you're trying to put someone out of the game? That's over the line.

Titans fan doesn't have to act like this is not who he is. It is. The guy is violent to a flaw, and he gets off on hurting people. To say he doesn't? That would be uncivilized.

Titans fan needs to check himself and come correctly when he's posting on our boards. I specifically DON'T go to the Titans board (1) because I don't want to catch a sexually-transmitted disease, (2) because I don't understand a team whose team colors look like one of Bud Adams' 1980s powder-blue leisure suits that he wore, and (3) because I wouldn't have anything of real value to discuss with a Titans fan. Fans support their team, and right now...Titans fans think they have already won the Super Bowl, so they won't listen to anything rational anyways.

Albert is troubled, even after the counseling. And I bet he doesn't even know what kind of turd storm he's going to swim through when he takes the first little questionable after-the-play-is-over move on our QB.

eriadoc
12-11-2008, 03:58 PM
I wish our D-linemen had a mean streak like Haynesworth has got, one that gets into opposing QB's heads and rattles around enough to make them think about the pass rush instead of the job at hand.

I have to wonder how many Haynesworth jerseys would be sold in Houston if he was a Texan next year. I'd guess a lot...but it'll never happen. His image is much to mean for this franchise.

I don't like the guy, but not because of the way he plays. In that regard, he's "old school" like Deacon Jones, who was notorious for putting metal bars in his arm wrappings so he could ding the offensive linemen's bells. You have to be mean to be an effective defensive lineman in the NFL. Maybe not personality-wise, but definitely your intentions on the field. Nobody makes the Pro-Bowl or Hall of Fame by being a nice defender. I have yet to see a great D-lineman that roasts marshmallows and sings Kum-By-Yah to opposing QBs.

No, I don't like the guy because he's a Titan. And that's reason enough not to like the dude. But, put him on my team and I'll be one of his biggest fans. We need a guy like him, because together with Mario, we'd have one helluva' defensive line that other teams would fear.

I rememeber that Smith bit - lemme repeat - the man changed after the Garude incident, which was appalling. Since then, he's been something that I, and may others, are deeming OK to root for. The Garude thing? I was fine if they had cut him after that. Otherwise, I'm not going to even try to sell you shit. If he were a Texan, you wouldn't have ever complained. End of story.

I agree with both of these posts. I just don't ever consider players like that "clean" (to use your earlier phrase). DB is right, DLinemen need to be like that, and aside from the Gurode thing, I'd root for him if he were a Texan. But I'd never try and paint him as a good guy, is all.

Conversely, I want our offensive linemen to have the same mindset as Haynesworth. If that means they sweep the leg, then so be it.

spurstexanstros
12-11-2008, 04:03 PM
I rememeber that Smith bit - lemme repeat - the man changed after the Garude incident, which was appalling. Since then, he's been something that I, and may others, are deeming OK to root for. The Garude thing? I was fine if they had cut him after that. Otherwise, I'm not going to even try to sell you shit. If he were a Texan, you wouldn't have ever complained. End of story.

Well if he had stomped on Jerry Jones' skeltor like face I would be all for him. However, he if Kermit washington got blackballed for what he did I think Haynesworth should as well. What concerns me is when he gets free from that prison called Nashville the first thing he is gonna do is stick it to bud and probably come to Houston. Until then we can say whatever the heck we want andout that d-bag. He is fat ugly and not a pice person. thank you

Double Barrel
12-11-2008, 04:24 PM
I agree with both of these posts. I just don't ever consider players like that "clean" (to use your earlier phrase). DB is right, DLinemen need to be like that, and aside from the Gurode thing, I'd root for him if he were a Texan. But I'd never try and paint him as a good guy, is all.

Conversely, I want our offensive linemen to have the same mindset as Haynesworth. If that means they sweep the leg, then so be it.

Great post, man.

Back in 2002 I got a chance to see a one-man play by Bo Eason ("Runt of the Litter (http://www.popentertainment.com/boeason.htm)"). [Bo was a safety for the Houston Oilers back in the Glanville days.]

It was a fantastic play and one that I wish ALL football fans could see. It was basically his life story, about how driven he was to be validated in his dad's eyes after living in his older brother's shadow for so many years.

During the one-man play performance, he talked about being a defender, and specifically a safety. And he is blunt. He said that he always tried to hit the ball carrier so hard that you could smell the burn from the friction of the hit. That before the tackle, your very existence was about taking this man down and out. Obviously, when the whistle blows the play dead, you temporarily gain your sense of reason, but during the play, the opposing player was your mortal enemy and you treated them accordingly.

It was very insightful and something that I have never forgotten. I can't say much about Haynesworth's personality off the field, as I just don't know the guy. But his animalistic attitude on the field reminded me of Bo Eason's stories. And I really wish our defense showed that kind of attitude. Being nice is good for charity benefits and image, but it doesn't accomplish much in the game of pro football.

Just thought I'd share. :howdy:

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 04:37 PM
It doesn't matter how long ago this occurred (and it was only 2 seasons ago). What does matter is WHAT he spontaneously said AFTER the incident that tells the real story:

October 05, 2006 (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53699)

Suspended Tackle Albert Haynesworth: 'I Just Wanted To Make Sure The Guy Was Dead'


NASHVILLE, TN—Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, suspended five games by the NFL for stomping on the head and kicking the face of Cowboys center Andre Gurode last Sunday, issued a statement this morning saying he "just wanted to make absolutely sure [Gurode] was dead for good." "The Titans pay me to do one thing out there—kill anyone who gets in my way," said Haynesworth, who is serving the longest suspension for on-field actions in league history for his attempted murder. "Doing a thorough job is just good fundamentals… On your first day of high-school ball, they tell you football's no more than blocking, tackling, and bodily assault with the intent to commit homicide." League officials have suggested that Haynesworth's suspension also include anger-management therapy and a refresher course in the rules and principles of football.

toronto
12-11-2008, 04:54 PM
It doesn't matter how long ago this occurred (and it was only 2 seasons ago). What does matter is WHAT he spontaneously said AFTER the incident that tells the real story:

Uh, you do know that you're quoting from the Onion, don't you? LOL

RMB_Titan
12-11-2008, 05:00 PM
Look, we can argue over whether that should have been legal, but clear as day under the existing rules that was an illegal hit. A defensive player can't drive his body into the QB like Haynesworth did.
Cite me the rule on that. You cannot hit the QB in the head or below the knees, and you cannot drive the QB into the ground. Albert did not contact Schaub's helmet nor did he drive him into the ground; neither one of them left their feet, which is usually what constitutes driving someone to the ground.
There was a play during one of the Pats' games, and one of the safeties absolutely popped Wes Welker after the ball was tipped. Welker left his feet and hit the ground on his back. THAT is driving someone to the ground.

I'm waiting on that rule...


Stop whining about it.
And Texans fans need to stop whining about Haynesworth generally and the team needs to do their job to stop him. He is a great player who occasionally gets overenthusiastic. So be it.
Ok, at least you addressed everyone about that.

If you keep Schaub protected, you won't have to worry about our D Line cheap shooting him.

Silver Oak
12-11-2008, 05:06 PM
meh, this Haynesworth-less talk is bulletin board material at its best. The Texans are aware of how he has crossed the line before, and I think the team will extract some justice if it happens again.

maybe Coach Gibbs will unleash something special in the way of chop blocking a fat man's knees and taking him out of the playoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 05:06 PM
Uh, you do know that you're quoting from the Onion, don't you? LOL

Darn, you're just too sharp. Yep, can't blame me for tryin'.:D

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 05:19 PM
If you keep Schaub protected, you won't have to worry about our D Line cheap shooting him.


And if Al doesn't cheap shot, he won't need to worry about him hobbling off the field before the end of the game.

RMB_Titan
12-11-2008, 05:40 PM
And if Al doesn't cheap shot, he won't need to worry about him hobbling off the field before the end of the game.
Trust me, Al does not have to cheap shot Schaub in order to make him hobble off the field, like he has so many times in the past. You're smoking PCP laced crack if you think that every sack (or even any of them) that Al has had on Schaub was a cheap shot.

Man, you guys sound about as bad with this Al/cheap shot thing, as Buffalo fans do about the Music City Miracle.

Hervoyel
12-11-2008, 05:45 PM
Trust me, Al does not have to cheap shot Schaub in order to make him hobble off the field, like he has so many times in the past. You're smoking PCP laced crack if you think that every sack (or even any of them) that Al has had on Schaub was a cheap shot.

Man, you guys sound about as bad with this Al/cheap shot thing, as Buffalo fans do about the Music City Miracle.

I hate that thing too. Talk about getting the crappy end of the stick there. Houston gets "The Comeback" and then Nashville gets to enjoy the revenge for the aforementioned comeback. You got the gold mine and we got the shaft.

Nobody here thinks every tackle that Albert ever recorded was cheap. We just hate the guy and we hate your team and we hate you (for this week at least). Is that so hard to understand?

infantrycak
12-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Cite me the rule on that. You cannot hit the QB in the head or below the knees, and you cannot drive the QB into the ground. Albert did not contact Schaub's helmet nor did he drive him into the ground; neither one of them left their feet, which is usually what constitutes driving someone to the ground.
There was a play during one of the Pats' games, and one of the safeties absolutely popped Wes Welker after the ball was tipped. Welker left his feet and hit the ground on his back. THAT is driving someone to the ground.

I'm waiting on that rule...

I left school a long time ago so I am not taking homework assignments anymore. Wes Welker is irrelevant--the rules are different, right or wrong, for QBs. It was a flagged play that was properly called. The ball was gone and instead of letting his momentum carry him Haynesworth drove through and hunched his body to have his full weight hit Schaub's torso. You can see the beginning in the picture posted in this thread. The league even reviewed the play the next week and decided it was properly called.

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 06:00 PM
Two facts of life:
1) Albert's shot was cheap
2) The MCM was a forward lateral (but I'm okay with it, given the outcome of how the titans lost the Super Bowl).

Double Barrel
12-11-2008, 06:02 PM
Two facts of life:
1) Albert's shot was cheap
2) The MCM was a forward lateral (but I'm okay with it, given the outcome of how the titans lost the Super Bowl).

Booyah! It never gets old:

http://www.myfootballdvds.com/2000/gifs/superbowl34_rams_titans.jpg

I hate that thing too. Talk about getting the crappy end of the stick there. Houston gets "The Comeback" and then Nashville gets to enjoy the revenge for the aforementioned comeback. You got the gold mine and we got the shaft.

I have much respect for Bruce Mathews, but he tried to say that MSM somehow rectified The Meltdown. Sorry, Bruce, but you're wrong, wrong, and WRONG.

CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2008, 06:04 PM
Trust me, Al does not have to cheap shot Schaub in order to make him hobble off the field, like he has so many times in the past. You're smoking PCP laced crack if you think that every sack (or even any of them) that Al has had on Schaub was a cheap shot.

Man, you guys sound about as bad with this Al/cheap shot thing, as Buffalo fans do about the Music City Miracle.

Smoking PCP laced with crack??? Thank you but I have no desire to partake in a Titans favorite past time. BTW, the hobbling "him" I was referring to was Al, not Schaub.:tiphat:

toronto
12-11-2008, 06:11 PM
Booyah! It never gets old:

http://www.myfootballdvds.com/2000/gifs/superbowl34_rams_titans.jpg



I have much respect for Bruce Mathews, but he tried to say that MSM somehow rectified The Meltdown. Sorry, Bruce, but you're wrong, wrong, and WRONG.

Mofo :gun:

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 06:13 PM
Booyah! It never gets old:

http://www.myfootballdvds.com/2000/gifs/superbowl34_rams_titans.jpg



I have much respect for Bruce Mathews, but he tried to say that MSM somehow rectified The Meltdown. Sorry, Bruce, but you're wrong, wrong, and WRONG.
No it never does get old, does it??

Give Bruce a break. He was dealing with his senility when he said that.



Mofo :gun:

LMAO!!!!

toronto
12-11-2008, 06:14 PM
I hate that thing too. Talk about getting the crappy end of the stick there. Houston gets "The Comeback" and then Nashville gets to enjoy the revenge for the aforementioned comeback. You got the gold mine and we got the shaft.

Nobody here thinks every tackle that Albert ever recorded was cheap. We just hate the guy and we hate your team and we hate you (for this week at least). Is that so hard to understand?

I was at Rich Stadium that frigging day. Not only did I suffer through the worst sports experience of my lifetime (to me this still sucks more than Dyson) but I then had to deal with the real trailer park trash (Bills fans are truly as bad as it gets) and got the worst cold for a bout a week.

The MSM gave me no absolution for the "comeback." It still hurts every time ESPN or Fox does a Best of something. I still want to puke, 15 years later.

Double Barrel
12-11-2008, 06:15 PM
The MSM gave me no absolution for the "comeback." It still hurts every time ESPN or Fox does a Best of something. I still want to puke, 15 years later.

In that, we have a shared pain. :brickwall:

Texan_Bill
12-11-2008, 06:18 PM
I kicked my then GF out of the house that day so I could watch in peace. She had NO idea what she was coming home to and the damage that a PO'd Texan_Bill can do to remote controls, TV's, dishes, pots, pans, and just about anything not nailed down.

toronto
12-11-2008, 07:10 PM
I kicked my then GF out of the house that day so I could watch in peace. She had NO idea what she was coming home to and the damage that a PO'd Texan_Bill can do to remote controls, TV's, dishes, pots, pans, and just about anything not nailed down.

Imagine how I felt having dozens of Bills fans rub it in my face while I was thinking violent thoughts. I shoulda left early to beat traffic after the McDowell Pick6....

Bulluck53
12-11-2008, 07:16 PM
You guys are incredible...

Thorn
12-11-2008, 08:05 PM
You guys are incredible...

Aw shucks.....Thanks! :)

b0ng
12-11-2008, 08:35 PM
You guys are incredible...

Awwww, you're making me blush

DiehardChris
12-11-2008, 08:41 PM
I was at Rich Stadium that frigging day. Not only did I suffer through the worst sports experience of my lifetime (to me this still sucks more than Dyson) but I then had to deal with the real trailer park trash (Bills fans are truly as bad as it gets) and got the worst cold for a bout a week.

The MSM gave me no absolution for the "comeback." It still hurts every time ESPN or Fox does a Best of something. I still want to puke, 15 years later.

I was at "The Choke" also... and believe me, I packed NOTHING but Oilers clothing... so leaving back to the bus decked out head to toe in Oiler gear was definitely a trip... I was just a young teenager at the time, but that didn't stop the Bills fans from a BRUTAL verbal assault, LOL.

On the plane ride home, we had a layover in Chicago... I remember walking around at O'Hare airport wearing my Oilers Starter jacket and people coming up and trying to comfort me. LOL

steelbtexan
12-11-2008, 08:45 PM
You guys are incredible...

Yes we are.

Thanks LOL

Go back to the sister fu***** TACK board

infantrycak
12-11-2008, 08:50 PM
Yes we are.

Thanks LOL

Go back to the sister fu***** TACK board

Hey now. Keep it civil. Bulluck is not a troll and has been a good MB member. . .for a Tack fan.

toronto
12-11-2008, 09:06 PM
I was at "The Choke" also... and believe me, I packed NOTHING but Oilers clothing... so leaving back to the bus decked out head to toe in Oiler gear was definitely a trip... I was just a young teenager at the time, but that didn't stop the Bills fans from a BRUTAL verbal assault, LOL.

On the plane ride home, we had a layover in Chicago... I remember walking around at O'Hare airport wearing my Oilers Starter jacket and people coming up and trying to comfort me. LOL

My buds did their best to console me, but it was no good. I was a mess for the entire ride home.

infantrycak
12-11-2008, 09:11 PM
Holy crap. The Tacks MB has a whole forum dedicated to VY sucks threads--Link (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)

Even in the HWWNBN days, things never got that bad around here. LOL, LOL, ...

b0ng
12-11-2008, 10:22 PM
Holy crap. The Tacks MB has a whole forum dedicated to VY sucks threads--Link (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)

Even in the HWWNBN days, things never got that bad around here. LOL, LOL, ...

This is a great discovery and it makes me think that all of our bitching over Sage and Schaub just pales in comparison to that... that... abomination.

Hookem Horns
12-11-2008, 11:55 PM
Holy crap. The Tacks MB has a whole forum dedicated to VY sucks threads--Link (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)

Even in the HWWNBN days, things never got that bad around here. LOL, LOL, ...

Actually I think they created that forum to give the VY jock straps a place to dwell and talk about their hero because the majority of them are not even Titans fans. It's pretty pathetic.

TexansLucky13
12-12-2008, 12:23 AM
Actually I think they created that forum to give the VY jock straps a place to dwell and talk about their hero because the majority of them are not even Titans fans. It's pretty pathetic.

Think about how bad this board would be if we had drafted him. Ugggghhhhh... thank goodness we didn't...

Bulluck53
12-12-2008, 01:11 AM
Yes we are.

Thanks LOL

Go back to the sister fu***** TACK board

:bat:

There is nothing in that quote that says they plan on "taking Schaub out." Of course they want to hit him, and he's proven to fold when he gets knocked around. You guys are making it sound like Terrell Suggs' "hit" he put out on Hines Ward a few weeks ago.

Bulluck53
12-12-2008, 01:12 AM
Holy crap. The Tacks MB has a whole forum dedicated to VY sucks threads--Link (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)

Even in the HWWNBN days, things never got that bad around here. LOL, LOL, ...


Its pathetic...they bicker amongst themselves more than they do with opposing fans

mexican_texan
12-12-2008, 01:16 AM
Its pathetic...they bicker amongst themselves more than they do with opposing fans
At least no one continually brings up penises in relation to Vince over there(I apologize on behalf of them, by the way.)

CloakNNNdagger
12-12-2008, 08:57 AM
Here's an excerpt from an nice article (http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2008m12d11-Schaub-has-plenty-to-prove-against-Titans)written by aj (Alan Burge):

Back to Schaub's personal trail of tears against the Titans. I've put together a short summary of his three starts. If you're a Texans fan you might want to close one eye while reading this.

Week 7, 2007: Schaub suffers hip and ankle injuries and goes in and out of the game in the first half. He is eventually knocked out of the game for good after a hit by Albert Haynesworth just before halftime. Haynesworth received a roughing the passer penalty for the hit. Schaub's stat line: 5 for 9, 23 yards, sacked twice and fumbled once. This was the bizarre game when the Texans fell way behind, then scored 29 points in the 4th quarter and almost pulled off an incredible comeback in front of 10,000 of us who were making an impressive amount of noise banging on the seats.

Week 13, 2007: Schaub left the game with a dislocated shoulder after a sack by Antwan Odom with 3:16 remaining in the first quarter. His stat line: 3 for 5, 34 yards, sacked once. The Texans made a game of it in the 4th but eventually went down 28-20.

Week 3, 2008: Schaub makes it through the game but had a terrible day, completing only 17 of 37 passes for 117 yards, no touchdowns, three interceptions and two fumbles. This is one of those games where the Texans were upside down in turnovers and it would have been a much closer game than the 31-12 final if they had protected the ball. It was 24-12 Titans with a minute remaining when Cortland Finnegan returned Schaub interception #3 for a 99 yard touchdown.

What's interesting is to compare the game Schaub just had at Green Bay vs. the one in Week 3 at Tennessee that had some fans re-invoking the name "Ocho Stinko,' while others clamored for Sage. But Green Bay's defense is apples and Tennessee's is oranges.

The Titans will be primed to come in here and win this game primarily because of their opportunity to secure home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

When I look at the Titans body of work this season, there are three things that jump out at me. First is that they boast the league's 3rd best rushing offense. Second is that they've given up more than 17 points only twice this season. Finally, they are +11 in turnover margin (it's not a ratio), which is second best in the league.

That's the way you win in this league. That and a dash of attitude ... but I guess that comes with the winning.

Jeff Fisher's guys know the Texans want to win this game badly so they will focus on shutting down Steve Slaton and getting inside Schaub's head.

Based on past performance, the latter will be easier than the former.

Texan_Bill
12-12-2008, 09:09 AM
At least no one continually brings up penises in relation to Vince over there(I apologize on behalf of them, by the way.)

Dude, seriously get over yourself already...

Texan_Bill
12-12-2008, 09:12 AM
Imagine how I felt having dozens of Bills fans rub it in my face while I was thinking violent thoughts. I shoulda left early to beat traffic after the McDowell Pick6....

I beleive that if I had witnessed that game in person (there in Buffalo) and had some Bill fan rubbing in my face, that I would just now be released on parole... :gun:

GP
12-12-2008, 09:52 AM
My buds did their best to console me, but it was no good. I was a mess for the entire ride home.

I was in high school when it happened.

I took a baseball bat out to one of our trees and beat it against the tree until the bat was in splinters. It was like 10-degrees and a brutal 30 mph wind outside on the high plains of Texas that day...so you can imagine a teenager standing out there for about 20 minutes just wailing away at the tree, yelling, cussing, crying, and then marching back to the house with a sick stomach the rest of the day.

LOL. Even asked my parents to keep me home from school so I wouldn't have to face all my friends. NFL was THE big thing amongst my pals...and they were going to rag me for that meltdown.

Definitely the worst sports experience for me. Was so bad...that the Astros losing the World Series to the White Sox in four straight games was not even all that big of a deal. It sucked, but NOWHERE near like that day in Buffalo.

We freaking HAD them. :headhurts:

Texan_Bill
12-12-2008, 09:59 AM
Holy crap. The Tacks MB has a whole forum dedicated to VY sucks threads--Link (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)

Even in the HWWNBN days, things never got that bad around here. LOL, LOL, ...

Funny, funny stuff... I don't visit the TOMB very often, so I appreciate the find.

Texan_Bill
12-12-2008, 10:04 AM
Actually I think they created that forum to give the VY jock straps a place to dwell and talk about their hero because the majority of them are not even Titans fans. It's pretty pathetic.

Great posts over there btw...

toronto
12-12-2008, 10:34 AM
Great posts over there btw...

I pride myself on not visiting that sub-section. I understand why a few of my friends, who are the mods, did it though.

Texan_Bill
12-12-2008, 11:03 AM
I pride myself on not visiting that sub-section. I understand why a few of my friends, who are the mods, did it though.

Yeah, I guess I could understand too.