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CloakNNNdagger
12-05-2008, 09:11 PM
The National Weather Service is forecasting a game-time temperature of 11 degrees (with a wind chill of zero) for kickoff Sunday, which McCarthy (Green Bay head coach) called "definitely an advantage, (when) you play a particular team that's not used to it." But Texans defensive end Mario Williams claims it won't be a factor.

"I'm from North Carolina, and it snows in North Carolina, and it gets cold in North Carolina," Williams said. "So to me personally, I really don't care." [LINK] (http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/317437)

Odds makers are also giving the Texans a chilly reception, favoring the Packers by 5 1/2.

Both teams are 5-7 and the Packers experienced some "Texans moments" when they were unable to stop the Panthers' short yardage game in the red zone five times.

Now, one big question........How will the sub-freezing weather potentially affect the Texans?........and how much?

I don't want to even think about the Schaub premiere. I'll be holding my every breadth. Several of our players have been exposed to inclement conditions in the past. Though, even they have been conditioned for the most part to exist in a spa environment. This game promises to prove to be an extreme test for most of our team. If the weather has significant adverse effects on play, will the coaching staff recognize it and, unlike many previous games, adjust appropriately..........or just stubbornly self-destructively "stay the course"?

Thorn
12-05-2008, 09:44 PM
In order to go 8-8, the Texans have to beat Oakland and Chicago, along with either Green Bay or the Tits. Personally, I think they have a better chance of beating Green Bay than they do the Vince Young I'm having a mental episode titty babies since VY isn't the QB.

We need to win this weekend to go 8-8. We just have to, cold or not.

TexanSam
12-05-2008, 10:01 PM
Hopefully the outcome is the same as the Bears game a few years ago where it was even colder.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241219003

b0ng
12-05-2008, 10:38 PM
Hopefully the outcome is the same as the Bears game a few years ago where it was even colder.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241219003

That game was 4 years ago though, and the personnel is entirely different. If the Texans can work on the Packers less than stellar run defense, then we've got a great shot at winning. The more we limit Matt Schaub to what he HAS to do in order to win this particular game, the better. If Schaub only has to pass out of the play-action, then it will be pretty smooth sailing, especially with having to worry about injuries to our QB.

Stevie Wonder is going to need to have yet another stellar performance.

edo783
12-05-2008, 10:43 PM
As a former resident of Wis for 30+ Years, if we have the lead or are VERY close at the half we can win. If we are down by 7 or more our guys will crowd the heaters and just want to get warm.

Speedy
12-05-2008, 11:21 PM
The Texans are 5-0 when the temperature is 40 or below.

76Texan
12-06-2008, 12:14 AM
I hope Jacoby can handle the ball in the cold so he can be the wild card.
Current temperature at his alma mater Lane College is 20F, so it looks like he does have experience returning punts in incremental weather.

I found the following interesting blog by a Packers fan.
Too funny!

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Packers Sign Punter, Mike McCarthy Expects Him To Kick Ball in Right Direction
Posted Dec 4th 2008 5:45PM by Ryan Wilson (author feed)
Filed under: Packers, NFC North, NFL Fans, NFL Coaching

Yesterday, Ciskie pointed out that the Packers were still without a punter. (Even though nobody pays them any attention, they are sort of important.) On Monday, they released incumbent Derrick Frost, who was signed just prior to the season opener to replace the inconsistent Jon Ryan.

Well, got some good news, Bruce: Green Bay inked former Nittany Lion Jeremy Kapinos, which means, barring an asteroid strike, the team will have a punter for this weekend's game against the Texans. And while I'll gladly admit that punters are seldom newsworthy, it was hard to overlook head coach Mike McCarthy's comments following the Kapinos signing:
"I want him to punt the ball in the right direction," McCarthy said. "I'm expected to win games. He's expected to punt the ball in the right direction." Then, McCarthy added, "I'm not trying to be funny."

Whoa, there, Mike. Let's try to keep expectations realistic here. You want this guy to not only kick the ball, but kick it in the right direction!?

Vinny
12-06-2008, 12:24 AM
The Texans are 5-0 when the temperature is 40 or below.or is it because when the cold weather sets in we are already out of the playoff chase.

Speedy
12-06-2008, 12:37 AM
or is it because when the cold weather sets in we are already out of the playoff chase.

I don't know. Maybe McNair needs to close the roof and dial down that A/C in September and October.

mancunian
12-06-2008, 05:03 AM
The Texans are 5-0 when the temperature is 40 or below.
not bad for a team that is use to the Texas heat

Silver Oak
12-06-2008, 07:31 AM
The Texans are 5-0 when the temperature is 40 or below.


that's a pretty good record irregardless of why it occurs.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 08:20 AM
Hopefully the outcome is the same as the Bears game a few years ago where it was even colder.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241219003

The turnover battle, a stat we have seldom won this year, accounted for this one. The Bears fumbled five times , while the Texans did not fumble. Maybe the Texans can be encouraged to play WITHOUT gloves, and spit on their hands to ensure that the ball sticks fast.:)

nunusguy
12-06-2008, 08:36 AM
Temp is really a secondary consideration to the amount of sunshine and wind conditions in terms in how uncomfortable the players will be during the game. For example, ample sumshine and calm or near calm wind conditions at 12 degrees would be preferable to mostly cloudy skys with a sustained wind at 30 degrees.
BTW, I can't help but think about the TV commercials when the players have to stand around in the cold and wait for action to resume. That can't be fun.

ObsiWan
12-06-2008, 09:18 AM
The turnover battle, a stat we have seldom won this year, accounted for this one. The Bears fumbled five times , while the Texans did not fumble. Maybe the Texans can be encouraged to play WITHOUT gloves, and spit on their hands to ensure that the ball sticks fast.:)

Somehow, I don't have enough faith in the 08 version of the Texans to believe they'll win the T/O battle at all; much less 5 to 0.

infantrycak
12-06-2008, 09:21 AM
If the weather has significant adverse effects on play, will the coaching staff recognize it and, unlike many previous games, adjust appropriately..........or just stubbornly self-destructively "stay the course"?

Remind me where Kubiak played and coached before coming here?

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 10:28 AM
Remind me where Kubiak played and coached before coming here?

I can appreciate that, infantrycak, but I can't really see how that gives advantage to our players, or take away the spector of some very questionable prior game plans and game-time decisions made under ideal weather conditions. Game preparation has been a big question with our Texans in the past, even with the sun shining and the flags standing still. I'm really hoping that your inference has some clout and we come through with a victory, but I will still be guarded anticipating the final outcome while I hold my breath for Schaub on each and every play.

ATX
12-06-2008, 10:35 AM
I knew we played pretty well in cold weather, but 5-0 under 40 degrees is pretty damn good for a team from Houston. Now if we can just get to playing cold weather games that matter.......I'd love to go into Pittsburgh, Buffalo, or Denver in January and lay down some smack for all those old Oilers' losses we endured.

infantrycak
12-06-2008, 10:47 AM
I can appreciate that, infantrycak, but I can't really see how that gives advantage to our players, or take away the spector of some very questionable prior game plans and game-time decisions made under ideal weather conditions. Game preparation has been a big question with our Texans in the past, even with the sun shining and the flags standing still. I'm really hoping that your inference has some clout and we come through with a victory, but I will still be guarded anticipating the final outcome while I hold my breath for Schaub on each and every play.

All I was pointing out is Kubiak is very used to playing in cold weather and whatever adjustments that entails.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2008, 10:54 AM
Both Schaub and Slaton are from Pennsylvania.

dtran04
12-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Hell you think Aaron Rodgers likes that cold? The guy was used to it being 70 degrees in California no matter the month. The only thing that would drastically change the game is if it was snowing.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 11:30 AM
Hell you think Aaron Rodgers likes that cold? The guy was used to it being 70 degrees in California no matter the month. The only thing that would drastically change the game is if it was snowing.


You get conditioned to playing in the cold with repeated exposure...........Here in Houston you can't practice being cold. It can affect performance, and someone who at one time played in those conditions don't tend to all of a sudden re-adjust to what is his occasional new conditions in one day.

infantrycak
12-06-2008, 12:00 PM
Hell you think Aaron Rodgers likes that cold? The guy was used to it being 70 degrees in California no matter the month. The only thing that would drastically change the game is if it was snowing.

Current forecast is 16 degrees and mostly sunny. They are getting some snow today, but their field is heated so it won't be on the ground.

You get conditioned to playing in the cold with repeated exposure...........Here in Houston you can't practice being cold. It can affect performance, and someone who at one time played in those conditions don't tend to all of a sudden re-adjust to what is his occasional new conditions in one day.

I used to hate cold weather. Then started bow hunting and now if it isn't below freezing I pretty much wear shorts. That's obviously from just a few random days a year in a generally warm climate. Don't have any idea how that translates to football. Probably doesn't for things like the ball feeling harder. Who knows--just hoping for a good game.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 01:16 PM
Current forecast is 16 degrees and mostly sunny. They are getting some snow today, but their field is heated so it won't be on the ground.



I used to hate cold weather. Then started bow hunting and now if it isn't below freezing I pretty much wear shorts. That's obviously from just a few random days a year in a generally warm climate. Don't have any idea how that translates to football. Probably doesn't for things like the ball feeling harder. Who knows--just hoping for a good game.

I share your feelings.

76Texan
12-06-2008, 01:21 PM
Both Schaub and Slaton are from Pennsylvania.

Should we give AJ some breather and use KW, AD and OD more?
Those guys should be used to the northern climate.

Speedy
12-06-2008, 01:22 PM
You get conditioned to playing in the cold with repeated exposure...........Here in Houston you can't practice being cold. It can affect performance, and someone who at one time played in those conditions don't tend to all of a sudden re-adjust to what is his occasional new conditions in one day.

DISAGREE TOTALLY!!!

I'm born and raised, lived my whole life in Houston, so I should be conditioned to the heat, right? Well, I hate the freaking heat, can't stand it. I work in it every day and I can tell you first hand, that you don't get used to it.

And when it gets cold here, something that I shouldn't be accustomed to, I'll be the last guy you see walking around in shorts. I LOVE the cold.

It may be the HOUSTON Texans but the team is made up of 53 players from all over the place. Some like the cold, some don't. That's why you'll see some players in short sleeves this Sunday and some will be bundled up.

And just because the Packers are from a cold weather city, they also have 53 players from all over. Just how many 20 degree games do you think they've had this season to get acclimated to? Not to mention them practicing indoors.

Both teams will have players who want to hurry up and get this game over with so they can get back to someplace warm. Both teams will have players loving the crap out of taking a deep breath of cold, clean, crisp, fresh air. I've already heard a Texan, Walter I think it was, say he's looking forward to the weather.

I think way too much is put into warm weather teams going to cold weather cities. Again the Texans are 5-0 under 40 degrees. That's the hot city HOUSTON Texans who haven't won very much on the road. Or cold weather teams going to warm (hot) weather cities. See Pittsburgh 2005.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Current forecast is 16 degrees and mostly sunny. They are getting some snow today, but their field is heated so it won't be on the ground.
It's sort of interesting how they redid their field a couple of years ago. If I remember, it only has a few inches of top soil, a foot of sand beneath with a pipe system running through it to keep the ground from freezing. But from what I understand, they have had some slipping/traction problems because the melted ice has kept the grass somewhat wet.

PapaL
12-06-2008, 01:34 PM
We just need to man up and play ball.

Who cares if the weather is 80 degrees or 15 degrees. The football is still shaped the same and rules are still the same.

Score more points than the other team and be nice and toasty after the game. I guarantee if we win the weather will be a Zero factor. If we lose then that's all folks will belly ache about.

Man up - the season is almost over.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 01:45 PM
DISAGREE TOTALLY!!!

I'm born and raised, lived my whole life in Houston, so I should be conditioned to the heat, right? Well, I hate the freaking heat, can't stand it. I work in it every day and I can tell you first hand, that you don't get used to it.

And when it gets cold here, something that I shouldn't be accustomed to, I'll be the last guy you see walking around in shorts. I LOVE the cold.

It may be the HOUSTON Texans but the team is made up of 53 players from all over the place. Some like the cold, some don't. That's why you'll see some players in short sleeves this Sunday and some will be bundled up.

And just because the Packers are from a cold weather city, they also have 53 players from all over. Just how many 20 degree games do you think they've had this season to get acclimated to? Not to mention them practicing indoors.

Both teams will have players who want to hurry up and get this game over with so they can get back to someplace warm. Both teams will have players loving the crap out of taking a deep breath of cold, clean, crisp, fresh air. I've already heard a Texan, Walter I think it was, say he's looking forward to the weather.

I think way too much is put into warm weather teams going to cold weather cities. Again the Texans are 5-0 under 40 degrees. That's the hot city HOUSTON Texans who haven't won very much on the road. Or cold weather teams going to warm (hot) weather cities. See Pittsburgh 2005.


I'd have to in turn respectfully disagree. I grew up in Kansas City and I knew a good number of the Chiefs and the Oilers, and had ample opportunity to hear first hand what their feelings were about this subject. Taking 2 teams of equal playing level, take one of them into unfamiliar extreme conditions, and an advantage can be had. Putting out just one example, when your hands are cold, despite "warming gloves," catching bricks (as AJ referred to it) when you're not used to it, can easily take the receiver into more "dangerous" body catching mode.

Speedy
12-06-2008, 06:07 PM
I'd have to in turn respectfully disagree. I grew up in Kansas City and I knew a good number of the Chiefs and the Oilers, and had ample opportunity to hear first hand what their feelings were about this subject. Taking 2 teams of equal playing level, take one of them into unfamiliar extreme conditions, and an advantage can be had. Putting out just one example, when your hands are cold, despite "warming gloves," catching bricks (as AJ referred to it) when you're not used to it, can easily take the receiver into more "dangerous" body catching mode.

I agree that the football will feel hard as a brick, but it will be like that for everybody, whether they're "acclimated" to the cold conditions or not. There's no advantage for the Packers just because they have Green Bay in front of their name. The ball will feel like a rock for everybody.

Green Bay has 18 players on their roster that played their college ball in warm weather schools. The Texans have 26 players on their roster that played at cold weather schools. It's not a "team" effect. It's an "individual" effect.

The Packers have played a grand total of TWO games with the temperature below 40. JUST ONE MORE THAN THE TEXANS!! In fact the Texans have them beat playing in the coldest weather this year with the 30 degree game in Cleveland. Green Bay's coldest game was 33 degrees.

I don't see how they're any more "acclimated" to the cold than the Texans are.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 06:46 PM
Here's a timely piece that appears on Packersnews.com Practicing in the cold depends on the field (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20081205/PKR01/81205134/1058), that gives several perspectives.

Mr teX
12-06-2008, 07:52 PM
I don' think there's any other kind of reception when it's under 20 degrees.

Giant Tiger
12-06-2008, 09:15 PM
Should we give AJ some breather and use KW, AD and OD more?
Those guys should be used to the northern climate.

I think playing in a cold weather city is overrated. I don't think anybody gets used to it. They just act like they do. I'm from a northern climate & I hate the cold.

Speedy
12-06-2008, 09:47 PM
Here's a timely piece that appears on Packersnews.com Practicing in the cold depends on the field (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20081205/PKR01/81205134/1058), that gives several perspectives.

That's all fine and dandy. Weather conditions DO effect the play. That's not what we're talking about though. You're talking about a cold weather team such as Green Bay having an advantage over a warm weather team, such as Houston, simply because of the temperature of the game, and that just isn't the case at all.

There is no advantage for a "team" because there are too many "individuals" that it effects differently.

I mean in the article you provided, the Packers, A COLD WEATHER TEAM, are saying they didn't win those games because of COLD WEATHER??? What the hell? They're Green Bay. They're supposed to be "acclimated".

HJam72
12-06-2008, 10:06 PM
The way I acclimate is measured in the thickness of layers by the inches. :)

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 10:17 PM
That's all fine and dandy. Weather conditions DO effect the play. That's not what we're talking about though. You're talking about a cold weather team such as Green Bay having an advantage over a warm weather team, such as Houston, simply because of the temperature of the game, and that just isn't the case at all.

There is no advantage for a "team" because there are too many "individuals" that it effects differently.

I mean in the article you provided, the Packers, A COLD WEATHER TEAM, are saying they didn't win those games because of COLD WEATHER??? What the hell? They're Green Bay. They're supposed to be "acclimated".

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. It'll be interesting one way or another to see how things work out tomorrow.

edo783
12-06-2008, 10:45 PM
One thing that does get affected directly by the cold is the ball. It gets a lot more slippery for WR and RBs to handle and it is deader for the kickers. Could see a bunch of drops and fumbles and probably wont see the +50 yard kicks.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2008, 10:58 PM
Just a little something to lighten things up a bit::)

Sneaker Game: Bears at Giants, Dec. 9, 1934
In the days before modern shoe technology, these two titans slipped around on a sheet of ice at the New York Polo Grounds. The Giants were trailing the Bears, 10-3, when end Ray Flaherty suggested that sneakers would provide better traction. Giants coach Steve Owen then ordered his equipment manager to get sneakers. The manager returned with the sneakers, the Giants made the switch, and eventually scored 27 second-half points to win, 30-13. Amazingly, two decades later, in 1956, the Giants would again use sneakers to defeat the cleat-clad Bears on the icy Polo Grounds, 47-7.


I wonder what the frozen toes inside the sneakers felt like when they were stepped on by the cleated Bears.:thinking:

Norg
12-07-2008, 12:09 AM
just wanted to say our cold down here in houston is not the same has the cold up noth in greenbay


Here in HT its more of a wet cold

up there its a dry cold

Texan JBZ
12-07-2008, 12:41 AM
I've played in some bitterly cold games before so trust me when I say that it doesn't matter where you're from - Cold is Cold! It's actually tougher for a team to get acclimated to hotter conditions than it is colder temps. You just have to constantly stay active and stretch alot in cold weather games. You really don't feel the cold when you're in the heat of playing. It's when you go to the sideline that it hits you.

threetoedpete
12-07-2008, 05:45 AM
The turnover battle, a stat we have seldom won this year, accounted for this one. The Bears fumbled five times , while the Texans did not fumble. Maybe the Texans can be encouraged to play WITHOUT gloves, and spit on their hands to ensure that the ball sticks fast.:)

Funny how that little detail keeps popping up. Well maybe not so strange.

The only question is can the defense come up with enough plays to counter the QB mistakes ? Tough or not in that temperture Matt's knee will hurt like hell.

CloakNNNdagger
12-07-2008, 07:43 AM
FYI: The national weather service has changed their forecast of mostly sunny to 60% cloud cover at 12 noon increasing to 78% by 3 pm. The wind is expected to stay under 10 mph, the temperature around 16*, and no precipitation is expected.

With that much cloud cover now expected, the players will feel as cold as a
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1077/1391735959_26d0a9e974.jpg?v=0

ObsiWan
12-07-2008, 08:23 AM
:rofl:

houstonhurricane
12-07-2008, 08:53 AM
Remind me where Kubiak played and coached before coming here?

Actually, the City of Denver itself is not very cold. Once you gt into the surrounding mountains, it is a different story...

DiapHer
12-07-2008, 09:52 AM
The temperature is actually colder when there is a clear blue sky and "less" cloud cover. It really doesn't matter when you have those kind of temps. K. Brown will feel like he is kicking a brick with a glass foot.

:fieldgoal:

CloakNNNdagger
12-07-2008, 10:56 AM
The weather in Green Bay is deteriorating quickly from the previous no snow and sunny to mildly overcast forecast. It is already mostly cloudy and snow is expected by afternoon.

infantrycak
12-07-2008, 11:14 AM
Actually, the City of Denver itself is not very cold. Once you gt into the surrounding mountains, it is a different story...

Gee I must be mis-remembering those snow storm games I have seen at Mile High. Sure the mountains are colder--doesn't mean Kubiak doesn't have plenty of experience in cold games. FYI--the forecast for the next two days in Denver is for snow. In any event, wasn't saying Denver is consistently as cold as Green Bay, just that it is cold often enough for Kubiak to be very familiar with cold games.

FILO_girl
12-07-2008, 11:26 AM
The temperature is actually colder when there is a clear blue sky and "less" cloud cover. It really doesn't matter when you have those kind of temps. K. Brown will feel like he is kicking a brick with a glass foot.

:fieldgoal:
Radiational cooling (longwave energy loss). So true!

Vinny
12-07-2008, 11:41 AM
cold isn't as bad as cold and wet...add moisture into the equation and then you have some adjustment issues. It's like people think they can handle heat until they come to Houston and have to adjust to the humidity that comes with it....most can handle the heat but not the humidity.

awtysst
12-07-2008, 11:45 AM
Actually, the City of Denver itself is not very cold. Once you gt into the surrounding mountains, it is a different story...

Yeah thats pretty true. Denver is located in the valley of a mountain range. There ar over 300 days of sunshine out here. It snowed on Wednesday and by Friday it had all melted.

awtysst
12-07-2008, 11:48 AM
Gee I must be mis-remembering those snow storm games I have seen at Mile High. Sure the mountains are colder--doesn't mean Kubiak doesn't have plenty of experience in cold games. FYI--the forecast for the next two days in Denver is for snow. In any event, wasn't saying Denver is consistently as cold as Green Bay, just that it is cold often enough for Kubiak to be very familiar with cold games.

It does snow in Denver, but it has a tendency to melt within a couple of days. When you go into higher elevation cities though, the snow tends to sit for awhile. Once in awhile it snows in Denver and then sits for a week, but that is not the norm. With 300 days of sunshine, the snow usually melts. The Snow games you recall were likely ones in which it snowed the night before(or during the game) and would have been gone by Tuesday or so.

Seņor Stan
12-07-2008, 05:09 PM
"Green Bay to Give Texans a Cold Reception?"

more like

"Texans to Give Green Bay a Roundhouse Kick to the Face".

powerfuldragon
12-07-2008, 05:10 PM
"Green Bay to Give Texans a Cold Reception?"

more like

"Texans to Give Green Bay a Roundhouse Kick to the Face".

Yes.

Speedy
12-08-2008, 02:34 PM
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. It'll be interesting one way or another to see how things work out tomorrow.

So did you come to any conclusions?

Texans now 6-0 when it's under 40 degrees. 2-0 when it's under 10 degrees.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2008, 07:10 PM
So did you come to any conclusions?Texans now 6-0 when it's under 40 degrees. 2-0 when it's under 10 degrees.



We won, they lost.

mussop
12-08-2008, 07:28 PM
It does snow in Denver, but it has a tendency to melt within a couple of days. When you go into higher elevation cities though, the snow tends to sit for awhile. Once in awhile it snows in Denver and then sits for a week, but that is not the norm. With 300 days of sunshine, the snow usually melts. The Snow games you recall were likely ones in which it snowed the night before(or during the game) and would have been gone by Tuesday or so.

You do know why Denver is calle mile high right?