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Mailman
12-02-2008, 04:18 PM
The NFL announced Tuesday the suspension without pay for four games of six players -- Charles Grant, New Orleans, Deuce McAllister, New Orleans, Bryan Pittman, Houston Will Smith, New Orleans, Kevin Williams, Minnesota and Pat Williams, Minnesota -- that violated the NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances.

The players specifically violated a longstanding provision of the policy relating to the use of diuretics and water pills, which serve as masking agents for steroids and are potentially dangerous to the health of players.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80cfe423&template=without-video&confirm=true

Who takes his place?

mexican_texan
12-02-2008, 04:19 PM
Clark Harris, TE.

Jackie Chiles
12-02-2008, 04:27 PM
I say we just go for it on fourth down the rest of the year and attempt 2-point conversions after every TD. I was very impressed with Turk's athleticism on that busted snap yesterday.:gun:

HOU-TEX
12-02-2008, 04:32 PM
It make me wonder if this has been the reason for so many bad snaps. He hasn't had a very good season. Maybe this has been weighing on his mind for a while.

Hottoddie
12-02-2008, 04:41 PM
Who takes his place?


As bad as he's been chucking it back there this year, I'd say just about anybody. :D

TEXANS84
12-02-2008, 04:45 PM
Wow, the Vikings are in trouble.

The NFL has really dragged its feet in this for a long time. All of the six players above (according to McCain) tested positive in traning camp over the summer. Kind of a BS thing to do to wait until the final 4 games to suspend players, in some cases teams making playoff runs.

Ole Miss Texan
12-02-2008, 04:46 PM
I'd say put Sage in there. He's pretty good at hitting our players feet when he's not throwing interceptions.

Ole Miss Texan
12-02-2008, 04:49 PM
Didn't Pittman run it by team doctors or even the league before he even used it and got the okay??

mexican_texan
12-02-2008, 04:53 PM
Didn't Pittman run it by team doctors or even the league before he even used it and got the okay??
The players are saying the league didn't mention that there was a banned substance in what they were using.

TEXANS84
12-02-2008, 04:56 PM
Didn't Pittman run it by team doctors or even the league before he even used it and got the okay??

Funny thing is, there is a 1-800 hotline for NFL players to check substances before using to see if they are banned. I can't remember what player was interviewed, but they said that they left several messages at that number and the phone calls were never returned.
People are pointing fingers in every direction.

gtexan02
12-02-2008, 05:01 PM
Zgoninia is a backup long snapper

Ole Miss Texan
12-02-2008, 05:03 PM
I'm really fine with whoever it is, as long as we can still declare Salaam an eligible receiver 3 plays in a row. :heh:

Ole Miss Texan
12-02-2008, 05:09 PM
From November 3rd when this first shook out:
HOUSTON -- Houston Texans long snapper Bryan Pittman met with league officials in New York on Monday to appeal a possible suspension after testing positive for the weight-loss diuretic Bumetanide.

"We took the opportunity to review the test results and present Bryan's physicians' records and testimony demonstrating that they authorized Bryan to take weight loss medication," Pittman's lawyer David Cornwell said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Bumetanide is banned under the NFL steroids policy because it is considered a masking agent for steroids. However, Cornwell's statement continued: "Bryan is also gratified that the evidence confirmed that he did not take steroids."

Not sure who it means when it says, "they authorized" it... most likely Bryan's physicians.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3681080

The Pencil Neck
12-02-2008, 08:05 PM
I went into the stadium really early yesterday (cause it was damned windy and cold outside) and Dreessen was practicing long-snapping with Bulman.

gwallaia
12-02-2008, 08:52 PM
Why would a long snapper take steroids? To help him zing those balls a little harder?

The Pencil Neck
12-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Why would a long snapper take steroids? To help him zing those balls a little harder?

He wasn't suspended for taking steroids. He took something that could be used to mask the use of steroids. And that's against the rules.

BUT...

Taking steroids and growth hormone could keep a long-snapper strong enough, fast enough, and healthy enough to perform much much better than if he didn't. Taking steroids (and other performance enhancing drugs), if done right, can pretty much improve your performance in any sport.

utahmark
12-02-2008, 09:31 PM
he's not been snaping the ball that well this year. could be the end of his career.

HJam72
12-02-2008, 09:44 PM
Do they allow shooting guards to turn around and shoot between their legs?, because he's better at that anyway. :)

TimeKiller
12-03-2008, 07:30 AM
I'll do it!

HJam72
12-03-2008, 07:38 AM
I'll do it!

Well, don't forget your steroids and your water pills. Gotta fit in and all that.

I would do it, but I'm allergic to breaks in my spine and head. It's a genetic thing, I think.

Hottoddie
12-03-2008, 11:20 AM
but I'm allergic to breaks in my spine and head.


It's nothing that a little duct tape won't fix.

spurstexanstros
12-03-2008, 11:25 AM
Hey do yall remember that Disney flick with the Donkey that kicked field goals... I wonder if that guy is available... the snapper and not the donkey

HOU-TEX
12-03-2008, 11:38 AM
Hey do yall remember that Disney flick with the Donkey that kicked field goals... I wonder if that guy is available... the snapper and not the donkey

Betcha Flipper could do it. Although, there is the whole fish out of water thing.......:thinking:....Air Bud, maybe.

badboy
12-03-2008, 12:01 PM
I say we get David Carr as he is used to get the hell beat out of him and putting the ball on the ground. Beside we need more MB fodder.

Brando
12-03-2008, 04:42 PM
Pittman didn't take Starcaps


Sources told ESPN senior analyst Chris Mortensen that Pittman did not use StarCaps but tested positive for another banned diuretic.

"I want the people and the fans to understand that I was not trying to mask steroids or any banned substances," Pittman said according to Houston television station KRIV.

"I thought I took the proper procedures and methods by getting a doctor's authorization to take the diuretic," Pittman said, according to the station. "The diuretic I took did not dilute any urine specimen, which is what a player does when they are trying to mask something. The NFL toxicologist confirmed there was nothing else in my specimen other than the diuretic."

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3740122)

mike moffat
12-03-2008, 05:05 PM
I'd say put Sage in there. He's pretty good at hitting our players feet when he's not throwing interceptions.
LMAO! Now that's funny.:spit:

cuppacoffee
12-05-2008, 11:56 AM
In this mornings chronic there is an article that says the nfl players union is filing a lawsuit to block the suspensions of five of the six players.

Guess who is the odd man out?

The article goes on to state that Pittmans lawyer said that the circumstances "differ substantially from the men who used StarCaps".

What's the difference?

David Cornwell, Pittmans lawyer, said he didn't think a challenge by Pittman would succeed.

Why not?

The article also mentions a seventh player "under scrutiny" Atlanta's Grady Jackson, has not been suspended.

Why?

More anti-Texan bias?

:coffee:

The Pencil Neck
12-05-2008, 02:22 PM
In this mornings chronic there is an article that says the nfl players union is filing a lawsuit to block the suspensions of five of the six players.

Guess who is the odd man out?

The article goes on to state that Pittmans lawyer said that the circumstances "differ substantially from the men who used StarCaps".

What's the difference?

David Cornwell, Pittmans lawyer, said he didn't think a challenge by Pittman would succeed.

Why not?

The article also mentions a seventh player "under scrutiny" Atlanta's Grady Jackson, has not been suspended.

Why?

More anti-Texan bias?

:coffee:

I just figured that he used some other masking agent and not Starcaps.

mexican_texan
12-05-2008, 02:24 PM
In this mornings chronic there is an article that says the nfl players union is filing a lawsuit to block the suspensions of five of the six players.

Guess who is the odd man out?

The article goes on to state that Pittmans lawyer said that the circumstances "differ substantially from the men who used StarCaps".

What's the difference?

David Cornwell, Pittmans lawyer, said he didn't think a challenge by Pittman would succeed.

Why not?

The article also mentions a seventh player "under scrutiny" Atlanta's Grady Jackson, has not been suspended.

Why?

More anti-Texan bias?

:coffee:
Pittman wasn't taking Starcaps like everyone else. He was taking some form of diuretic, IIRC.

ChampionTexan
12-05-2008, 02:32 PM
In this mornings chronic there is an article that says the nfl players union is filing a lawsuit to block the suspensions of five of the six players.

Guess who is the odd man out?

The article goes on to state that Pittmans lawyer said that the circumstances "differ substantially from the men who used StarCaps".

What's the difference?

David Cornwell, Pittmans lawyer, said he didn't think a challenge by Pittman would succeed.

Why not?

The article also mentions a seventh player "under scrutiny" Atlanta's Grady Jackson, has not been suspended.

Why?

More anti-Texan bias?

:coffee:


Yes - Pittman, his lawyer, and the NFLPA are all choosing to not file additional appeals because of anti-Texan bias.

Either that, or they are smart enough to know that there is a difference between his case and the others.

Texanfan4ever
12-05-2008, 04:15 PM
I thinnk it is absolutely unbalanced that a player like Haynesworth or that jerk from the Vikings, can mame, paralyze, break someone's neck, or knee, and induce harm to another player that will most likely hinder them the rest of their lives, and they just get a fine of $25,000. BUT Brian takes a diuretic and he is suspended for 4 games, and they also are taking a percentage of their salary per week, of which Brian's is $128,000 per week. That is ludicrous. Who comes up with those ridiculous rules.

it was proven that Brian had taken no steriods, only diuretics for weight. What a nice guy and what a shame!

CloakNNNdagger
12-05-2008, 05:30 PM
In this mornings chronic there is an article that says the nfl players union is filing a lawsuit to block the suspensions of five of the six players.

Guess who is the odd man out?

The article goes on to state that Pittmans lawyer said that the circumstances "differ substantially from the men who used StarCaps".

What's the difference?

David Cornwell, Pittmans lawyer, said he didn't think a challenge by Pittman would succeed.

Why not?

The article also mentions a seventh player "under scrutiny" Atlanta's Grady Jackson, has not been suspended.

Why?

More anti-Texan bias?

:coffee:


The answer is quite simple. The company that produces the celebrity fad "miracle weight loss pill" StarCaps (http://starCaps.com/)conveniently left out the labeling of its most active ingredient...........the diuretic Bumetanide. That is the basis for the other players having a basis for appeal.

Pittman knew that Bumetanide was prescribed to him.........and it was up to him to be knowledgeable of this very important NFL banned list of substances available to all players.:

List of Prohibited Substances

The following substances and methods are prohibited by the National Football League: *

I. ANABOLIC AGENTS

A. ANABOLIC/ANDROGENIC STEROIDS: Generic Name Brand Name (Examples)
Androstenediol Androstederm
Androstenedione Androstan, Androtex
Bolasterone Myagen
Boldenone Equipoise, Parenabol
Clostebol Turinabol, Steranabol
Danazol Cyclomen, Danatrol
Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone Oral-Turinabol
Dehydroepiandrosterone DHEA
Dihydrotestosterone DHT, Stanolone
Dromostanolone Drolban
Ethylestrenol Maxibolin, Orabolin
Fluoxymesterone Halotestin
Formebulone Esiclene, Hubernol
Furazabol Miotolon
Gestrinone Tridomose
17-Hydroxypregnenedione -
17-Hydroxyprogesterone -
Mesterolone Proviron
Methandienone Danabol, Dianabol
Methandriol Androdiol
Methandrostenolone Dianabol
Methenolone Primobolan
Methyltestosterone Metandren
Mibolerone Testorex
19-Norandrostenediol 19-Diol
19-Norandrostenedione 19 Nora Force
Norethandrolone Nilevar
19-Nortestosterone (Nandrolone) Deca-Durabolin
Oxymesterone Oranabol
Oxymetholone Anadrol
Progesterone
Stanozolol Stromba, Winstrol
Testosterone Andronate
Trenbolone Finaject

And related substances

B. HUMAN OR ANIMAL GROWTH HORMONE

C. BETA-2-AGONISTS (CLENBUTEROL, ETC.)

D. HUMAN CHORIONIC GONADATROPIN


II. MASKING AGENTS

A. DIURETICS

Generic Name Brand Name (Examples)
Acetazolamide Amilco
Amiloride Midamor
Bendroflumethiazide Aprinox
Benzthiazide Aquatag
Bumetanide Burine
Chlorothiazide Diuril
Cyclothiazide Anhydron
Ethacrynic Acid Edecrin
Furosemide Lasix
Hydrochlorothiazide Aprozide
Hydroflumethiazide Leodrine
Methyclothiazide Aquatensen
Metolazone Zaroxolyn
Polythiazide Renese
Probenecid Benemid
Quinethazone Hydromox
Spironolactone Aldactone
Triamterene Jatropur, Dytac
Trichlormethiazide Anatran

And related substances

B. EPITESTOSTERONE

C. PROBENECID


III. CERTAIN STIMULANTS

Generic Name Brand Name (Examples)
Ephedrine Ma Huan, Chi Powder
Methylephedrine -
Pseudophedrine * Sudafed, Actifed
Fenfluramine Phen-Fen, Redux
Norfenfluramine -
Phentermine Fastin, Adipex, Ionamin

* Except as properly prescribed by Club medical personnel

IV. DOPING METHODS

Ingestion or injection of banned substances, or of supplements or other products containing banned substances. Pharmacological, chemical or physical manipulation by, for example, catheterization, urine substitution, tampering, or inhibition of renal excretion by, for example, probenecid and related compounds.


It is an ill-advised way of "losing weight" that may have its limited merits in premenstrual / menstrual females temporarily retaining significant fluid loads. But it does not lead to true body fat weight loss in anyone. When a healthy (no congestive heart failure resulting in uncontrolled water retention, for example) male takes them, it only steals water from muscle tissue (possibly leading to weakening), from blood volume (leading to lethargy, dizziness and loss of endurance), or significant fluid and electrolyte imbalances which contribute to compromised performance both mental and physical. Could very likely account for the reversal of Pittman's previously consistent performance.

infantrycak
12-05-2008, 07:26 PM
I thinnk it is absolutely unbalanced that a player like Haynesworth or that jerk from the Vikings, can mame, paralyze, break someone's neck, or knee, and induce harm to another player that will most likely hinder them the rest of their lives, and they just get a fine of $25,000. BUT Brian takes a diuretic and he is suspended for 4 games, and they also are taking a percentage of their salary per week, of which Brian's is $128,000 per week. That is ludicrous. Who comes up with those ridiculous rules.

it was proven that Brian had taken no steriods, only diuretics for weight. What a nice guy and what a shame!

Agree with your general premise but Pittman's salary is $605k for the season so he makes about $40k per game.

cuppacoffee
12-05-2008, 07:43 PM
Yes - Pittman, his lawyer, and the NFLPA are all choosing to not file additional appeals because of anti-Texan bias.

Either that, or they are smart enough to know that there is a difference between his case and the others.


Do not attempt to influence my thinking by introducing facts.

I prefer to believe in anti Texan bias and conspiricy theories..........thank you.

:coffee:

HJam72
12-05-2008, 07:46 PM
I think he should be fined by the team for not actually taking steroids, unless he can prove that he did. Go team! :fans:

cuppacoffee
12-05-2008, 07:56 PM
[QUOTE=CloakNNNdagger;1068282]The answer is quite simple. The company that produces the celebrity fad "miracle weight loss pill" StarCaps (http://starCaps.com/)conveniently left out the labeling of its most active ingredient...........the diuretic Bumetanide. That is the basis for the other players having a basis for appeal.
Pittman knew that Bumetanide was prescribed to him.........and it was up to him to be knowledgeable of this very important NFL banned list of substances available to all players.:

Thanks cnnnd...sounds like Pittman has only himself to blame.

There goes another conspiracy theory...:spy:

I still think there was another gunman on the grassy knoll....:)

:coffee: