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Texanballer
11-26-2008, 06:47 PM
Why didnt we bring him in? He would be a great power back to move the line and backup Slaton

drewmar74
11-26-2008, 06:52 PM
Why didnt we bring him in? He would be a great power back to move the line and backup Slaton

A) He's not played ball in a year. I don't even think he went to camp anywhere.

B) He's not a power back.

I'd much, much rather see Worf, er... I mean DW backing up Slaton than a "one year removed from football" Dayne Train.

Maddict5
11-26-2008, 07:09 PM
absence makes the heart grow fonder eh?

i still remember all the failed 3rd and shorts by the dancing fat man (see pt B above)

drewmar74
11-26-2008, 07:23 PM
absence makes the heart grow fonder eh?

i still remember all the failed 3rd and shorts by the dancing fat man (see pt B above)

You know, Dayne might be the next great candidate for "Dancing with the Stars." Hell, he auditioned in our backfield for two seasons.

steelbtexan
11-26-2008, 07:44 PM
Because

1. We dont need another rookie LT's career destroyed
2. He's fat
3. He's slow
4. He's not a short yardage back
5. Why do you think no other team has signed him?
6. Any other questions?

Thorn
11-26-2008, 07:50 PM
The Dayne Train!

We all loved it! A chicken leg here and a hamburger there and we can win it all. Screw all of yall. He helped us. Maybe he isnlt worth a shit today, but he helped us. Give credit wher credit is due damn it.

Sal Rosenberg
11-26-2008, 07:51 PM
The Dayne Train!

We all loved it! A chicken leg here and a hamburger there and we can win it all. Screw all of yall. He helped us. Maybe he isnlt worth a shit today, but he helped us. Give credit wher credit is due damn it.

He is a seasoned veteran.:specnatz:

b0ng
11-26-2008, 08:15 PM
I'll put it to you like this:

Hell no.

HJam72
11-26-2008, 08:25 PM
Dayne was alright for the time, but we need to move on; and, no, he's not a power back until he gets into the backfield, which isn't often enough.

Hervoyel
11-26-2008, 08:31 PM
I liked Dayne and yet I have to agree that "train has passed". If the Texans wanted him they would have signed him (or tried to) after last season. They didn't and chose to go with Ahman Green instead. Ahman "contributed" I'll admit but he didn't do anything that Ron Dayne couldn't have done.

It's time to move on. Even Darius Walker is nothing more than a temporary rental until the end of the year. He's not going to be here next year either. Brown, Green, Walker, and Taylor will all be former Texans by next season. I think that if Moats is effective the rest of the way out (and I imagine he will be) then we go into next season with Slaton, Moats, a rookie from the first day of the draft (but probably not a 1st rounder), and whatever reasonably affordable free agent RB that Rick Smith can get in here. Plus a couple of guys who will be camp fodder as usual.

nut
11-26-2008, 08:44 PM
The guys on 790 this a.m. said Ahman received $70,000+ per carry and the guys on 610 said he made $20,000 per yard. Why doesn't anybody ever call out the Texans for bringing this guy in? Ahman is a great guy and all that but he was damaged goods. He was on my fantasy team the year before we brought him in for $27 million as the missing piece that would get us there. He was never healthy the year before we flushed the dough down the toilet for him. I'm just a regular guy sitting in front of my tv drinking a beer and I knew it was a stupid move. We need some changes.

ESAD2-14
11-26-2008, 08:47 PM
absence makes the heart grow fonder eh?

i still remember all the failed 3rd and shorts by the dancing fat man (see pt B above)

Yup, that's what I remember of Ron as well.

ArlingtonTexan
11-26-2008, 08:51 PM
The guys on 790 this a.m. said Ahman received $70,000+ per carry and the guys on 610 said he made $20,000 per yard. Why doesn't anybody ever call out the Texans for bringing this guy in? Ahman is a great guy and all that but he was damaged goods. He was on my fantasy team the year before we brought him in for $27 million as the missing piece that would get us there. He was never healthy the year before we flushed the dough down the toilet for him. I'm just a regular guy sitting in front of my tv drinking a beer and I knew it was a stupid move. We need some changes.


What message board, radio stations, and newspaper are you getting Texans information and opinions? that move was questuion heavily from day one and has gone past anger to a running joke.

Hervoyel
11-26-2008, 09:28 PM
Yup, that's what I remember of Ron as well.

I remember 32 carries for 153 yards in our only win against Indianapolis. That seems to always slip off everyone's radar.

All he ever did was average 4 yards a carry in the two years he played here while our offensive line went through multiple starters while learning Mike Sherman's power blocking scheme and Kubiak/Shanahan's best imitation of Denver's zone at the same time.

But hey, no big deal. We totally upgraded the position by bringing Ahman Green in and depending on him for two seasons while paying him 11 million dollars.

b0ng
11-26-2008, 09:43 PM
I remember 32 carries for 153 yards in our only win against Indianapolis. That seems to always slip off everyone's radar.



The reason nobody remembers that is because he never replicated that performance again. Ever.

And I don't think that anybody on this board were talking about how great Green would be now that Dayne was gone. But the fact of the matter is, Ron Dayne is not a great, or even good running back. So while it might upset you that we did bring Ahman Green back, I think the possibility of Green actually playing decently for an entire season was much better than Ron Dayne having multiple 100 yard games in a season.

Drew_Smoke
11-26-2008, 10:01 PM
Because

1. We dont need another rookie LT's career destroyed
2. He's fat
3. He's slow
4. He's not a short yardage back
5. Why do you think no other team has signed him?
6. Any other questions?


You forgot he was pretty much an a-hole to the fans.

In a word....NO.

Thanks for thinking of him though. I am sure he appreciates it.

I would vote for him to be the next "Most Likely To Sell A Heisman" if such a poll popped up.

Hervoyel
11-26-2008, 10:33 PM
The reason nobody remembers that is because he never replicated that performance again. Ever.

And I don't think that anybody on this board were talking about how great Green would be now that Dayne was gone. But the fact of the matter is, Ron Dayne is not a great, or even good running back. So while it might upset you that we did bring Ahman Green back, I think the possibility of Green actually playing decently for an entire season was much better than Ron Dayne having multiple 100 yard games in a season.

I think you're wrong there. I think that a great many of us knew with sickening certainty that Ahman Green had no chance of actually playing for an entire season, decently or otherwise. At this stage in their respective careers I'd prefer Dayne over Green. That's just me though and it's not like the Texans care what I think (plus it's all over anyway, they're both done here).

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm dying to know what over the hill broken down back they dig up next.

DiehardChris
11-26-2008, 11:46 PM
Uh, it's Thanksgiving week. Do you think there's ANY amount of money ANY team could offer Ron Dayne that would pull him away from the table and put him on a field this week? He probably kept himself in decent shape all year with the idea that "once Thanksgiving comes, I will accept myself as retired. Now, pass the gravy."

ubecool454
11-27-2008, 07:49 AM
Why didnt we bring him in? He would be a great power back to move the line and backup Slaton

Give Dayne almost a full year out of football and he comes back bigger than Okoye.

Kaiser Toro
11-27-2008, 09:07 AM
Give Dayne almost a full year out of football and he comes back bigger than Okoye.

Blunts, Ho-Ho's, Doritos and a PS2 will do that to a guy.

Dayne was just plain awful, save for the Indy game. If he were to be signed by this team, I would feel obligated to call every Houston radio show, every day, and call for the entire front office's and Kubiak's head.

hookinreds
11-27-2008, 09:10 AM
Uh, it's Thanksgiving week. Do you think there's ANY amount of money ANY team could offer Ron Dayne that would pull him away from the table and put him on a field this week? He probably kept himself in decent shape all year with the idea that "once Thanksgiving comes, I will accept myself as retired. Now, pass the gravy."

...this as he begins his training to come back as an interior lineman.

Malloy
11-27-2008, 09:50 AM
The Dayne Train!

We all loved it! A chicken leg here and a hamburger there and we can win it all. Screw all of yall. He helped us. Maybe he isnlt worth a shit today, but he helped us. Give credit wher credit is due damn it.

Im starting to grow real fond of the dirty old man :)

Hervoyel
11-27-2008, 10:22 AM
Blunts, Ho-Ho's, Doritos and a PS2 will do that to a guy.

Dayne was just plain awful, save for the Indy game. If he were to be signed by this team, I would feel obligated to call every Houston radio show, every day, and call for the entire front office's and Kubiak's head.

It would in all likelihood be a disaster if the Texans tried to bring Ron Dayne back right now after all this time, no camp, and without any time in the "less Mike Sherman, more Alex Gibbs" style running game we're using now but I don't think Dayne was awful except for the Indy game.

2007

vs Jacksonville he had 88 yards on 21 attempts. 4.2 average
vs Denver he had 67 yards on 11 attempts. 6.1 average
at Tennessee he had 86 yards on 18 attempts. 4.8 average
at Cleveland he had 78 yards on 16 attempts. 4.9 average
vs New Orleans he had 89 yards on 21 attempts. 4.2 average
at Oakland he had 122 yards on 21 attempts. 5.8 average
at Atlanta he had 62 yards on 15 attempts. 4.1 average

That year he also averaged less than 4 yards per attempt in 5 games but was only the primary running back in 2 of them (Green started against KC and Carolina) and over 4 yards per attempt in 7 games. He didn't play in 4 games.

2006

vs Indianapolis he had 153 yards on 32 attempts. 4.8 average
at New England he had 94 yards on 18 attempts. 5.2 average
vs Tennessee he had 87 yards on 21 attempts. 4.1 average
at Oakland he had 95 yards on 18 attempts. 5.3 average
vs Washington he had 58 yards on 14 attempts. 4.1 average

That year he also averaged less than 4 yards per attempt in 4 games and over 4 yards per attempt in 5 games. He did not play in 4 games and played through a well documented case of turf toe.

Steve Slaton is having a hell of a year and I'd have to be a crack addict to try and say that Dayne was a better back than Slaton will be so I'm not going to do that. I am going to say however that this season Slaton has 774 yards in 11 games and he's averaged over 4 yards a carry in only 4 of them and has one more 100+ yard effort in his 11 games than Ron Dayne did in either of his two seasons here. I wonder what kind of year Slaton would be having behind our line as coached by Sherman and with David Carr under center directing the passing game?

A lot of variables go into a running backs stats and stats don't tell the whole story. I'm just pointing out that Dayne wasn't awful. He was very average. Never explosive, generally dependable. Every time he ran the ball you knew what you were going to get. If the hole was there he'd do ok. If anything went wrong in the blocking on that play he'd be lucky to get 2 yards.

Every time his name is mentioned someone brings up Charles Spencers injury and people talk about the Texans not being able to convert in short yardage. One knock on him is fair, the other is rubbish. Charles Spencers injury was an accident. Every time I see someone bring that up about Dayne I add them to my list of people who aren't worth listening to. The short yardage problems were legitimate. Dayne wasn't a power back in the traditional sense. He didn't blast open his own holes and our offensive line in 2006-2007 wasn't getting much of a push most of the time. When they did he produced and when they didn't he average 2.something yards per carry.

We fans just like to blast on guys we feel aren't doing the job. Sometimes we're right and other times that guy is just the poster boy for our frustration. Reeves today is a good example. He's not doing that bad and even I have to retract much of what I've said about him. His name sure seems to be called a lot when we give up big plays and that stands out in my memory but the numbers don't lie and he's not as crappy a CB as we all like to portray him as being. His position is one of those where we are "set" but could upgrade and should upgrade when we get the chance. He's a lot like Dayne in that respect. He didn't do as badly as people like to say he did but we could do better and I'm glad we're trying to do better. I love the running game and would rather watch that than any amount of Schaub to Johnson aerial fun. There's just something about running the football down someones throat that to me just kills a defense. They come out the next series so beaten down after you do that to them (We should know, ours has it done to them all the time) so I'm glad we're going better places than Ron Dayne. I just appreciate what he did. If he hadn't been around we'd have had no running game at all the last two years.

Give the man his props. He was "average". Here in Houston post Domanick Davis that was an accomplishment of sorts.

jb66er
11-27-2008, 10:46 AM
You forgot he was pretty much an a-hole to the fans.

In a word....NO.

Thanks for thinking of him though. I am sure he appreciates it.

I would vote for him to be the next "Most Likely To Sell A Heisman" if such a poll popped up.


LMAO! Sad but true

Scooter
11-27-2008, 10:51 AM
everytime i read the criticisms on this board about dayne they seem to scream that dayne's not good enough to be a starter. who's said anything about dayne starting? i'm a broken friggin record here, dayne did extremely well in the areas we need him for. stay healthy, eat up 5-15 carries with consistant production in the middle of the field, take snaps away from slaton to keep slaton on the field when he's needed, and be strong at the end to finish games.

those laughing down dayne, who do you sign? walker, taylor, green? only one could get on the field and none of them can stay there. alexander? alexander hasnt performed nearly as well as dayne in recent years. who else? surely those saying "he's fat and slow" have something that matters on the field to say ... or not. getting spencer (my favorite player) hurt was a freak accident, get over it.

dayne's not a 3rd down back ... no kidding, slaton is. dayne's not the bruiser his size indicates, he's better there than slaton and all of the other options mentioned. anything i'm missing?

it's not going to happen, i know that. i'm saying however that dayne's the best option that we're familiar with and probably the best option currently available.

Mr. White
11-28-2008, 01:43 AM
A few things that I liked about Dayne:

1. The guy knew how to fall forward when he was getting tackled. Usually resulted in at least another yard. Seems like far too few RBs try to get that last tough yard.

2. He wasn't a liability when it came to taking care of the ball.

3. He stayed on the field.

I'll admit that he never became the board legend that Chris Taylor was (for whatever reason.) Although he wasn't a particularly good RB, he was serviceable.

cuppacoffee
11-28-2008, 10:40 AM
I liked Dayne and yet I have to agree that "train has passed". If the Texans wanted him they would have signed him (or tried to) after last season. They didn't and chose to go with Ahman Green instead. Ahman "contributed" I'll admit but he didn't do anything that Ron Dayne couldn't have done.

It's time to move on. Even Darius Walker is nothing more than a temporary rental until the end of the year. He's not going to be here next year either. Brown, Green, Walker, and Taylor will all be former Texans by next season. I think that if Moats is effective the rest of the way out (and I imagine he will be) then we go into next season with Slaton, Moats, a rookie from the first day of the draft (but probably not a 1st rounder), and whatever reasonably affordable free agent RB that Rick Smith can get in here. Plus a couple of guys who will be camp fodder as usual.


Probably true Herv.....sounds like a real recipe for success....It's worked the last two years... hasn't it?...:rolleyes:

:coffee:

steelbtexan
11-28-2008, 11:35 AM
Herv the numbers lie Reeves stinks. When you get thrown @ all of the time your numbers get inflated.

There are any number of RB's better than Dayne out there
Keith, Mason & Dookie to name a few. I know Dookie just signed with Pitt. but you get the point.

I agree with you on what they will do with the RB'S next year except I think they will draft one in the 4-5 rd.

They should take a look@ Maroney. He was a perfect fit with Minn. in college. They ran the ZBS. He doesn't fit NE's system.

Specnatz
11-28-2008, 01:57 PM
It would in all likelihood be a disaster if the Texans tried to bring Ron Dayne back right now after all this time, no camp, and without any time in the "less Mike Sherman, more Alex Gibbs" style running game we're using now but I don't think Dayne was awful except for the Indy game.

2007

vs Jacksonville he had 88 yards on 21 attempts. 4.2 average
vs Denver he had 67 yards on 11 attempts. 6.1 average
at Tennessee he had 86 yards on 18 attempts. 4.8 average
at Cleveland he had 78 yards on 16 attempts. 4.9 average
vs New Orleans he had 89 yards on 21 attempts. 4.2 average
at Oakland he had 122 yards on 21 attempts. 5.8 average
at Atlanta he had 62 yards on 15 attempts. 4.1 average

That year he also averaged less than 4 yards per attempt in 5 games but was only the primary running back in 2 of them (Green started against KC and Carolina) and over 4 yards per attempt in 7 games. He didn't play in 4 games.

2006

vs Indianapolis he had 153 yards on 32 attempts. 4.8 average
at New England he had 94 yards on 18 attempts. 5.2 average
vs Tennessee he had 87 yards on 21 attempts. 4.1 average
at Oakland he had 95 yards on 18 attempts. 5.3 average
vs Washington he had 58 yards on 14 attempts. 4.1 average

That year he also averaged less than 4 yards per attempt in 4 games and over 4 yards per attempt in 5 games. He did not play in 4 games and played through a well documented case of turf toe.

Give the man his props. He was "average". Here in Houston post Domanick Davis that was an accomplishment of sorts.

Ron Dayne between the 20's was a good runner. I do also recall all the 3-1 shorts that he would dance around. There was a mixture of both good and bad, I would have rather had Dayne in camp than Taylor but I was one of the few who had nothing for Taylor other than a question mark and the I don't get it thought.

FA RB .. Lamont Jordan, Ced Benson, Derrick Ward (NY), Domminick Rhodes, Aaron Stecker, Maurice Morris, and JJ Arrinton. That is all I know of besides the broken down backs like Foster or Alexander.

Ryan
11-28-2008, 03:54 PM
He is a seasoned veteran.:specnatz:


If he was seasoned he'd probably try to eat himself.

Thorn
11-28-2008, 05:51 PM
If he was seasoned he'd probably try to eat himself.


speaking for all ron Dayne fans on this board, that's funny as hell. LOL

Still, I don't care what yall say, I liked Dayne for what he was. Someone that didn't fumble and could get you a few yards most of the time. With Slaton having sore ribs right now, who the hell is gonna be carrying the ball Monday night?

False Start
11-28-2008, 07:06 PM
I loved Ron Dayne while he was here. It was just something about that guy that made me wanna see him succeed. I think his time in the NFL is over though. I will always have a spot on my "athletes who weren't great, but were cool" list for the Dayne Train.

TimeKiller
12-01-2008, 07:48 AM
...ahhh....memories...

Remember when the guys would get a break and the trainers all ran out with bottles, spritzing the players with fresh, cool water? And then Dayne would get one full of bacon grease?!?!

Vinny
12-01-2008, 07:52 AM
ah yes, Ron Dayne....oh the sweet memories from the glory days of the Texans.

BuffaloglennTX
12-01-2008, 10:56 AM
You forgot he was pretty much an a-hole to the fans.

In a word....NO.

Thanks for thinking of him though. I am sure he appreciates it.

I would vote for him to be the next "Most Likely To Sell A Heisman" if such a poll popped up.

I'm just curious, how was Dayne an a-hole to the fans? Maybe I just don't remember right now.

BigBull17
12-01-2008, 11:16 AM
I liked Dayne and yet I have to agree that "train has passed". If the Texans wanted him they would have signed him (or tried to) after last season. They didn't and chose to go with Ahman Green instead. Ahman "contributed" I'll admit but he didn't do anything that Ron Dayne couldn't have done.
It's time to move on. Even Darius Walker is nothing more than a temporary rental until the end of the year. He's not going to be here next year either. Brown, Green, Walker, and Taylor will all be former Texans by next season. I think that if Moats is effective the rest of the way out (and I imagine he will be) then we go into next season with Slaton, Moats, a rookie from the first day of the draft (but probably not a 1st rounder), and whatever reasonably affordable free agent RB that Rick Smith can get in here. Plus a couple of guys who will be camp fodder as usual.

He broke a tackle and powered his way into the endzone. Thats more than Dayne could do.

Also, I wouldnt expect a 1st day draft pick to go into the back field. Maybe a 4th or so, but not a 1 or 2.

BigBull17
12-01-2008, 11:18 AM
I liked Dayne and yet I have to agree that "train has passed". If the Texans wanted him they would have signed him (or tried to) after last season. They didn't and chose to go with Ahman Green instead. Ahman "contributed" I'll admit but he didn't do anything that Ron Dayne couldn't have done.
It's time to move on. Even Darius Walker is nothing more than a temporary rental until the end of the year. He's not going to be here next year either. Brown, Green, Walker, and Taylor will all be former Texans by next season. I think that if Moats is effective the rest of the way out (and I imagine he will be) then we go into next season with Slaton, Moats, a rookie from the first day of the draft (but probably not a 1st rounder), and whatever reasonably affordable free agent RB that Rick Smith can get in here. Plus a couple of guys who will be camp fodder as usual.

He broke a tackle and powered his way into the endzone. Thats more than Dayne could do.

Also, I wouldnt expect a 1st day draft pick to go into the back field. Maybe a 4th or so, but not a 1 or 2.

HOU-TEX
12-01-2008, 11:33 AM
Ron Dayne = Jerome Bettis - Everything but the body


I'll be happy when we never see a freakin Dayne thread again. It'll mean we actually moved on from being satisfied with mediocrity.

:fans:

TimeKiller
12-01-2008, 12:28 PM
What if we're here just to make fun of his mediocrity?






....and weight?

Mr teX
12-01-2008, 12:44 PM
what's wrong with him? He's got a jerome bettis build with a twinkle toes running mentality.

& right about now he's also probably 50 lbs. overweight given that he was always a french fry away from playing on the O-line. For the life of me i can't understand why no one converted him to a FB once his rookie contract ran out.

TimeKiller
12-01-2008, 12:57 PM
What's the point of having a FB that runs into somebody and then falls over?

FB's are supposed to be the headhunters of the offense, not the hamburgalers...