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Ibar_Harry
01-03-2005, 02:52 PM
May sound funny to some of you, but I truely believe any plan this ball club had for the next two seasons is down the drain. Injuries and age are catching up with them. Payne, Walker, Glenn, the D-line, the nonexsistant O-line and you can go on from there. Dom knows only one way to play the game and is totally inflexible. We have talent, but it doesn't fit Dom's style so its no good. The only people we got out of this year's draft are people who we went after who specifically fit Dom's style of play. Again, Casserly believes in picking the best Athlete available at the time, but that's not Dom's philosophy. If they don't fit into Dom's style of thinking, then its pointless to draft them, because he can't work with them and take adavantage of their assets and strengths. Many of you complain and then get on me, because I'm as blunt as Vinny, but the truth is your complaints by in large point to the coaches and no one else. As Truman said, the buck stops here. Sorry, but the only if we excuted gets real old and that's what he said after the Brown's game. Well, who's in charge of execution? Who's in charge of play Calling? Who's in charge of the O-line? Who's in charge of the D-line? Who makes the defensive play calls? Sorry, but the honey moon is over. When Reliant starts looking like the Jags place, may be McNair will take notice. As much as I dislike Parcells, I think I would still take him over Capers. At least I know the players would be looked at in terms of how best can they help the ball club. I'm sorry, but the inflexibility of Capers in this area makes him incapable of being a head coach in my estimation. Either your GM and you are in agreement as to the type of players to be picked or you have to go. I think Casserly made a very bad mistake in picking DOM as his head coach for that reason. They will never be on the same page.

SESupergenius
01-03-2005, 02:58 PM
7-9 is still a good season, did you expect anything better? If you did then you've destroyed expectation of the TExans. Capers is blamed for drafting Hollings instead of a Offensive linemen? Capers is to blame for Boselli? Capers is to blame for Ragone?

Ibar_Harry
01-03-2005, 03:08 PM
May be Casserly should go to. I think that 7-9 is not the expectations based on the talent of this ball club. We played a much tougher schedule last year and looked a lot better than this year. I think the 7-9 is a very deceptive record, because of strength of schedule. Sorry, I feel this way and you have every reason and right to feel the way you do. I just feel that so many of the problems this ball club is facing is do to coaching or lack there of.....

Fiddy
01-03-2005, 03:12 PM
No offense Ibar but I'd take Casserly and Capers over you because you are the same person that said Bernard Berrian would be a better WR then Andre Johnson... idonno:

Ibar_Harry
01-03-2005, 03:16 PM
No offense Ibar but I'd take Casserly and Capers over you because you are the same person that said Bernard Berrain would be a better WR then Andre Johnson... idonno:

I did say that and I had good reason. That's because David and Bernard had the Manning-Harrison type connection. They were always on the same wave length. Read all of the postings by others including those on another thread about AJ. They all boil down to the same thing and that is the coaching is lousy. I'm sorry, but you see complaint after complaint and grumbles from the players which are being husshed up. Sorry, but these coaches have to go before there will be any further imporvement.

Fiddy
01-03-2005, 03:21 PM
Well, then lets replace them ALL. Lets be the Browns. You know the team that will be having another top 5 draft pick this year. How many is that. 4??? The same team that cant find a coach and has only been to the playoffs once. What, 4 or 5 coaches, one playoff game. I know that 4 years is a long time but from day one of this franchise, Casserly has said that this team is on a 4 year plan. We have just finished year 3.

ArlingtonTexan
01-03-2005, 03:38 PM
May sound funny to some of you, but I truely believe any plan this ball club had for the next two seasons is down the drain. Injuries and age are catching up with them. Payne, Walker, Glenn, the D-line, the nonexsistant O-line and you can go on from there. Dom knows only one way to play the game and is totally inflexible. We have talent, but it doesn't fit Dom's style so its no good. The only people we got out of this year's draft are people who we went after who specifically fit Dom's style of play. Again, Casserly believes in picking the best Athlete available at the time, but that's not Dom's philosophy. If they don't fit into Dom's style of thinking, then its pointless to draft them, because he can't work with them and take adavantage of their assets and strengths. Many of you complain and then get on me, because I'm as blunt as Vinny, but the truth is your complaints by in large point to the coaches and no one else. As Truman said, the buck stops here. Sorry, but the only if we excuted gets real old and that's what he said after the Brown's game. Well, who's in charge of execution? Who's in charge of play Calling? Who's in charge of the O-line? Who's in charge of the D-line? Who makes the defensive play calls? Sorry, but the honey moon is over. When Reliant starts looking like the Jags place, may be McNair will take notice. As much as I dislike Parcells, I think I would still take him over Capers. At least I know the players would be looked at in terms of how best can they help the ball club. I'm sorry, but the inflexibility of Capers in this area makes him incapable of being a head coach in my estimation. Either your GM and you are in agreement as to the type of players to be picked or you have to go. I think Casserly made a very bad mistake in picking DOM as his head coach for that reason. They will never be on the same page.

The scary thing is i don't totally disagree with the premise that Capers is not flexible as a coach. Even so, i still think this team was not talented enough to win more than a game or two more this year. Capers and Casserly are not at odds. Capers has explained what type of players that he want ans Casserly has attempted to get them. When casserly and the scouting department put together the draft board, BPA incorporates the style of offense and defense that is run by the Texans. The board is specifc to the Texans. It is NOT Mel Kiper's board or whoever your favorite drafspert is. Just because you don't care for Capers as coach, don't try to assume rifts and problems within the organization that do not exist.

Lucky
01-03-2005, 04:12 PM
...It is NOT Mel Kiper's board or whoever your favorite drafspert is. Just because you don't care for Capers as coach, don't try to assume rifts and problems within the organization that do not exist.
You're my favorite "drafspert", AT. :)

I don't know if you've read this, but Casserly, Capers, Carr, & McNair were all interviewed on Channel 13's Inside the Texans season wrapup. The Mt. Rushmore of the Texans, if you will. I don't know if it was planned prior to the Browns game, but it was a strong subliminal statement that these guys were in it together for the long haul. I wish guys like Ibar & other Caper or Carr bashers who live out of town could've seen this and understand that major changes aren't coming.

fresno8
01-03-2005, 04:36 PM
As much as I dislike Parcells, I think I would still take him over Capers. At least I know the players would be looked at in terms of how best can they help the ball club. I'm sorry, but the inflexibility of Capers in this area makes him incapable of being a head coach in my estimation. Either your GM and you are in agreement as to the type of players to be picked or you have to go. I think Casserly made a very bad mistake in picking DOM as his head coach for that reason. They will never be on the same page.

You should make a FireDom.com like the Florida Gators did w/ Zook. Capers looks so dumb on sidelines. I know he'll get another year, but I wish we had someone else. I haven't given up on the team, but I have given up on the coaches. I know we made progress, but this guy plays to play games close and plays not to lose, unacceptable. I have a point to back this up. How do you go up 13-3 against the Pack at home at halftime and not come out and attack their dreadful defense. Stupid. Result 16-13 L

Hottoddie
01-03-2005, 05:24 PM
May be Casserly should go to.

Hey, why stop there? Let's fire McNair too. After all, he hired both of them. :slap:

Ibar_Harry
01-03-2005, 08:27 PM
Remember, this is my opinion, but I think a lot of others out there are of similar opinions. I think some heat is being felt based on the fact that people are beginning to have television interviews on the subject. Each of has opinions and thoughts that we like to express as fans. I have yet to see many argue that Capers is flexible in his way of thinking. On the contrary many agree that is the truth with respect to Capers. Parcells is the boss and is a very rigid guy, but not with respect to what his players can do. I think that the 1st year they drafted people Casserly made most of the calls around the best athlete scenario. Last year was different with the 1st 2, but after that I think it was based on Casserly's views. I could be wrong but it has that look to me. Caper's views on defense could be so much like Baltimore's views that the offense is simply something you have to have to score points. My fear is that we sill see another year of horrible O-line play with emphasis on rebuilding the defense. I hope I'm wrong, but I think next year will be start of another rebuilding year for both offense and defense. Key O-line and D-line personnel are getting too old and have too many injuries. I think you are in for a rude awaking if you think this ball club is going anywhere with these people. The only out I see is FA, but I believe they have indicated they are not interested in that approach. They don't have enough draft picks next year to make a difference and draft picks are ususally at least a year away. So how do you solve the problems in one year? The only way would be to go out and buy yourself the necessary replacements.

OzzO
01-03-2005, 09:06 PM
Fire the coaches.. ala Browns.
Go and get the replacements for "instant win" expectations.. ala Redskins or early Jags.

Nope, I prefer the current method we're running with now - steady progress with a good foundation. And since McNair chose Casserly who in turn chose Capers, I doubt that these fine men got to where they are by making incorrect calls and have been around long enough to know the other's "style".

texansfan88
01-03-2005, 09:26 PM
Hey, why stop there? Let's fire McNair too. After all, he hired both of them. :slap:
Naw, firing the owner won't motivate the fans to shut up, you gotta go past that. Like firing Abe, the beer man from Section 137.

Ibar_Harry
01-03-2005, 09:56 PM
Here's McClains take on the game. (http://www.chron.com/content/news/mm/05/01/02/mcclain.ram)

This kind of press is going to continue to sit well. McClain has been around a few ball games. Who's responsible for this kind of performance. Can't always be the players after all it was the coaches who chose them. I think there really are a lot of people who are beginning to question the coaching performances.

edo783
01-04-2005, 12:45 AM
Frankly I haven't been a fan of the coaching staff or the calls. Not a hater, just not a fan of them. Didn't see a fired up metality that aproached the game to take it away from the other team on either the offense or defensive side of the ball. On the rare ocasion where we played aggressivly we pushed the other teams around big time. I doubt there will be many coaching changes. Maybe, some of the sub coaches.

fresno8
01-04-2005, 01:26 AM
Can anybody tell me when the last time Capers should any emotion on the sidelines. He just stands there.

cj5776
01-04-2005, 01:51 AM
I am I the only one the sees something in the middle happening...

As far as players go I think we just need to use all of our draft picks
Getting younger on D and deeper on O

the only free agent we need is a mentor for Wand at LT

Roman in his first year as QB coach missed the mark and some change should happen there, but Carr was given more room for play changes and check downs, this is probably still a work in progress

NeViKaN
01-04-2005, 12:58 PM
May be Casserly should go to. I think that 7-9 is not the expectations based on the talent of this ball club. We played a much tougher schedule last year and looked a lot better than this year. I think the 7-9 is a very deceptive record, because of strength of schedule. Sorry, I feel this way and you have every reason and right to feel the way you do. I just feel that so many of the problems this ball club is facing is do to coaching or lack there of.....

Wow.... I was just talking about this to a friend. They say that 7-9 is an improvement but I think that a case can be made that we went backwards this year.
1. Last year I believe we had 17 players on the IR. This year we only had 7. That is 10 more players plus two first round starters.
2. We had an easier schedule than last year. Hell we played both teams that went to the SB.

I have said before that I did not see the same intensity this year than last year. I like Dom but has he lost the team. Is that what Carr was talking about?

Blake
01-04-2005, 01:11 PM
This is absurd. Did you want a superbowl ring this year? Did you want 9 players to go to the pro-bowl? Did you want a 16-0 record? Its not going to happen! Give the team some time. I know its hard to be a fan durring the rough times, but it will pay off in the end. This team needs just 2-3 more peices (players) and is complete. Winning an NFL championship is the hardest thing to do. It takes TIME, money, patience, and a million other things.

Point is, getting a new coaching staff/QB/OC, isnt going to make us better. Its going to move us backwards. Give Capers his time. Give him a chance to make a long lasting team.

Sarg01
01-04-2005, 01:25 PM
May be Casserly should go to. I think that 7-9 is not the expectations based on the talent of this ball club. We played a much tougher schedule last year and looked a lot better than this year. I think the 7-9 is a very deceptive record, because of strength of schedule. Sorry, I feel this way and you have every reason and right to feel the way you do. I just feel that so many of the problems this ball club is facing is do to coaching or lack there of.....

Casserly put that talent together. Casserly's last three #1 picks were Carr, Johnson and Robinson. We picked up Wade (best O-linesman) and Smith (best D-linesman) in FA last year. Joppru was injured so we picked up Bruener to complement Miller. We've got folks like OLB Peek, CB Faggins, WR Armstrong, S Simmons waiting in the wings. We've had a 4th round rookie starting for us *for the second year in a row* - last year it was DD, this year it's Glenn Earl at Strong Safety.

Our problems are in our lines and while Boselli certainly was a bust, it's hard to say Casserly didn't figure the lines into his plan when he got the Jaguars to leave Boselli, Walker and Payne out for us to grab. He had a plan to have some of the best talent in the NFL at those positions ... but all three players potential has been cut down by injury.

The only place Casserly (or the Texans organization anyhow) seems to have a blind spot for talent in is OLB.

I predicted 8-8 pre-season with a shot at 9-7 and I was hugely disappointed by the fiasco Sunday, but 7-9 isn't exactly a disaster. Apart from maybe the line coaches (I don't agree, but understandable), why are we talking about firing people?

NeViKaN
01-04-2005, 01:26 PM
This is absurd. Did you want a superbowl ring this year? Did you want 9 players to go to the pro-bowl? Did you want a 16-0 record? Its not going to happen! Give the team some time. I know its hard to be a fan durring the rough times, but it will pay off in the end. This team needs just 2-3 more peices (players) and is complete. Winning an NFL championship is the hardest thing to do. It takes TIME, money, patience, and a million other things.

Point is, getting a new coaching staff/QB/OC, isnt going to make us better. Its going to move us backwards. Give Capers his time. Give him a chance to make a long lasting team.

No! of course no one thought about 16-0. I don't think that changing coaches would make us any better off than the Browns. But something needs to change because we did not make progress this year. your right, we need a few pieces, but we are better that we are showing with what we have.

Errant Hothy
01-04-2005, 02:41 PM
Why does something have to change? The team was extremely inconsistent, and that isn't the coaches fault. It's due to the fact that we are a young team. Have mistakes been made, yes but show me a team that hasn't; have we done better then some teams, hell yes see the Browns, Cowboys, Saints, 49ers, Bucs. None of the guys we have drafted yet have hit their primes, icluding AJ who still has room for improvements.

And to all those calling for Capers head, ask yourself how who felt after Willingham was fired at Notre Dame before he ahd a chance to develop a team with his players?

Porky
01-04-2005, 03:33 PM
I have zero problem with Casserly. As far as I'm concerned, he should get an extension of his current deal asap.

As to Capers, and the rest of the staff, I have mixed emotions. I would give him next year to show what he can do with this team, but I have some funadementel differences in how he and his staff are running the team. On defense, I think the scheme that Fangio is running may be too complicated. I would simplify the defense a bit, and make it more aggresive next year. We started to see that more toward the end, so I am encouraged by that. On offense, I wouldn't be bull headed, and try to fit round pegs into square holes. Dom wants to run the Steelers 2004 offense, without the components needed to make it work...namely a big workhorse back, a mean, large, road-grader style aggresive offensive line that can also protect the QB for those 3rd down throws. That's not the players we have, and that is frustrating for me. Then he tells Bob Allen yesterday that Carr threw to Johnson numerous times. HA! I don't know what game he was watching, but the last month, AJ was the most under utilized weapon in the league imo. Lastly, we need to get WAY more aggresive on offense, and start dictating to the defense, instead of this "they took AJ away" BS.

As to Dom's stoic look on the sideline, that doesn't bother me anymore than Tom Laudry. If memory serves, he did alright for himself. :hmmm:

TheOgre
01-04-2005, 03:47 PM
Wow.... I was just talking about this to a friend. They say that 7-9 is an improvement but I think that a case can be made that we went backwards this year.
1. Last year I believe we had 17 players on the IR. This year we only had 7. That is 10 more players plus two first round starters.
2. We had an easier schedule than last year. Hell we played both teams that went to the SB.

I have said before that I did not see the same intensity this year than last year. I like Dom but has he lost the team. Is that what Carr was talking about?

What you fail to mention is that we had a lot of first time starters this season. By the end of the year, we were starting 3 rookies on defense (Earl, Babin, Robinson), a first time starter at LT (the most important position on the O-line), a guy playing guard for the first time in his life at LG, a CB starting at FS for the first time in 10 years, and new roster additions at DE (R. Smith), ORT (Wade), and TE (Bruener). Basically we had 10 new starters this season. Do you think that could have an impact on how we play? Basically this was a transitional season.

I have much bigger expectations for next season. I think next season is the one to truly evaluate the coaching staff. The majority of the pieces are in place and it is now time to perform or hear "You're fired!"

Double Barrel
01-04-2005, 04:20 PM
May be Casserly should go to. I think that 7-9 is not the expectations based on the talent of this ball club. We played a much tougher schedule last year and looked a lot better than this year.

Casserly...should...go.... :crazy: ....sorry, man, not meant as a flame in any way, but it's hard to take anything you say more seriously after this comment. There are probably 25 teams that would kill to have Casserly as GM.

And you think a 7-9 team looks worse than a 5-11 team?

We won back-to-back games THREE times this year! (for the record, it NEVER happened last year)....

We swept TWO division opponents this year (again, never happened last year, much less beat the Titans TWICE!)

7-9 HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE EXPECTATIONS OF OUR THIRD YEAR!! According to the Texans front office, the media, coaches, and players.

Going into the season, we even said that we would be content with 6-10 (improvement over 2003), and happy with 7-9.

And finally, thank you, Porky, for mentioning the late, great Tom Landry!! Who NEVER, EVER got emotional on the sideline. He was the epitomy of Joe Cool under pressure.

Ibar_Harry
01-04-2005, 08:08 PM
That was a cinical reply to someone suggesting may be Casserly should be fired also. There is some responsibility on his part, however, in that he drafts one way and his coach works another way. This last draft they were more in touch, but I think there is a problem there.