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Texanmike02
11-23-2008, 07:48 PM
OK, 4-7.

We SHOULD finish the year at 7-9. I know that's a stretch, but we've got Oakland, Jacksonville and Chicago. I think we should win all of those games.

Don't believe what you've heard. When we had success on that 3 game run, we weren't as good as they told you. When we've gotten handled, we're not as bad as they tell you. Coming into the season, I felt like we were a 7 to 9 win team. That's about what we are. But we're a 7-9 team that is a lot closer to the playoffs than we were a year ago. You can count the holes on this team on one hand.

IMHO the biggest need we have is on the DL. We need that big fat dude in the middle. I would have liked to seen Okam develop into that guy, and he might, he's still young... but we desperately need that guy to make this team go. A lot has been made about our lack of blitzing, but I was watching ans how often do we collapse the pocket from up the middle. It becomes a lot harder to get to the qb if he only has to step up. Collapse the pocket and our rush will be much more potent. Teams will have a hell of a problem if we're able to keep blockers off of Ryans. If there's one facet of the game he consistently struggles in, its shedding blockers. Anyone remember when they were talking about the decline of Ray in balt? Then they got that big kid in the middle and wow, he's amazing again. If we can start shutting down the run, getting the pass rush becomes easier, getting the D of the field becomes easier and we'll likely be relying on the pass on offense less frequently.

Finally we're getting a chance to see what we have in our young draftees. Abidi has looked nice. I think that between Ryans, Diles and Abidi we have 2/3 of our starting LB corps for next year. We also have the top reserve in our rotation.

A SS would be a blessing, and as much as I've maligned out CBs over the last year, if Daunte is as close to himself as he has looked over the last two weeks, everybody slides down a notch and we're not nearly as bad as it looked earlier in the season.

On offense, we need help in the middle of the line. That's about it. A big bruising back would be nice. And a mean streak. I'm still confident in Matt. I know some aren't. Would someone PLEASE chop block the next DL to go for his knees? If someone hits him can we put their head on a platter? Does anyone notice that no one hits Sage like that? I don't know why, but I imagine there isn't the same emphasis on him because plainly, he's not as good.


Its a long season guys, this team isn't going anywhere this year... Oh, can we get a new DC? I don't think its Smith's fault, but we need to send a message that you WILL be held accountable.

Mike

powerfuldragon
11-23-2008, 07:50 PM
we also need someone other than Ah-man-i-got-hurt-again Green for those short kamikaze runs.

Texanmike02
11-23-2008, 07:52 PM
we also need someone other than Ah-man-i-got-hurt Green for those short kamikaze runs.

dude, how fast do you read? I didn't even get to fix what I typed... took me like 1 minute to correct it... wow...


That's why i said a big bruising back.

Mike

powerfuldragon
11-23-2008, 07:54 PM
dude, how fast do you read? I didn't even get to fix what I typed... took me like 1 minute to correct it... wow...


That's why i said a big bruising back.

Mike
yeah, oops. my eyes jumped from lineman talk to confidence in schaub.

Tailgate
11-23-2008, 07:56 PM
Sounds about right to me. A big DT is key to alot of other pieces falling into place. Maybe add in a DE opposite Mario, as well as a true MLB with Demeco on the outside.

imatexan
11-23-2008, 08:00 PM
Soo your telling me theres a chance.

gary
11-23-2008, 08:01 PM
Cut way down on turnovers.

Texanmike02
11-23-2008, 08:02 PM
The refreshing thing though, is for the first time in our history, we haven't added a weakness. Gonig into the offseason we said we needed a RB... got him. The weaknesses above, and we seem to have filled one of the LBs with abidi. Our LT seems solid, he's young, but he's learning well. Overall looking back on last offseason, I'd give it a B to this point. I REALLY REALLY wish we had made Sage for a 3rd move though. Wonder if there was a C or G available in the the 3rd that would be starting over meyers or breisel. Not only that, but I was about right when I said I didnt' want Sage around because the guy wasn't going to take us anywhere. If Matt isn't our QB, we're not a good team. We got to find a way to protect him, if we're not going to, we need to get rid of him and bring in someone else. This isn't me calling for his head, this is me talking to management saying make a choice. Lets not ruin another QB.

Mike

awtysst
11-23-2008, 08:39 PM
The refreshing thing though, is for the first time in our history, we haven't added a weakness. Gonig into the offseason we said we needed a RB... got him. The weaknesses above, and we seem to have filled one of the LBs with abidi. Our LT seems solid, he's young, but he's learning well. Overall looking back on last offseason, I'd give it a B to this point. I REALLY REALLY wish we had made Sage for a 3rd move though. Wonder if there was a C or G available in the the 3rd that would be starting over meyers or breisel. Not only that, but I was about right when I said I didnt' want Sage around because the guy wasn't going to take us anywhere. If Matt isn't our QB, we're not a good team. We got to find a way to protect him, if we're not going to, we need to get rid of him and bring in someone else. This isn't me calling for his head, this is me talking to management saying make a choice. Lets not ruin another QB.

Mike

That depends on Dunta. IF we don't offer him the contract he wants he bails and then we have a hole in CB.

The1ApplePie
11-23-2008, 09:39 PM
7-9 seems to be a worse outcome than 4-12 or 6-10. There is a ton of talent at the top of this draft and being in the top 10 would give the team a chance at a great deal of playmakers

nero THE zero
11-23-2008, 09:44 PM
7-9 seems to be a worse outcome than 4-12 or 6-10. There is a ton of talent at the top of this draft and being in the top 10 would give the team a chance at a great deal of playmakers

That's said every year and every year busts are drafted in the top 10 and future Hall of Famers are drafted in the mid first and beyond. I'll take the win every time, thanks.

The1ApplePie
11-23-2008, 09:48 PM
That's said every year and every year busts are drafted in the top 10 and future Hall of Famers are drafted in the mid first and beyond. I'll take the win every time, thanks.

The meaningless win over the Browns instead of drafting Adrian Peterson was so worth it:fans:

7-9 keeps the mediocrity of Kubiak and the rest of his admin in charge for another year as well.

beerlover
11-23-2008, 10:01 PM
The meaningless win over the Browns instead of drafting Adrian Peterson was so worth it:fans:

7-9 keeps the mediocrity of Kubiak and the rest of his admin in charge for another year as well.

close yet so far. the abomination of a trade to aquire Matt :crutch: Schaub was so much more gratifying :gun:

Insideop
11-23-2008, 10:35 PM
The refreshing thing though, is for the first time in our history, we haven't added a weakness. Gonig into the offseason we said we needed a RB... got him. The weaknesses above, and we seem to have filled one of the LBs with abidi. Our LT seems solid, he's young, but he's learning well. Overall looking back on last offseason, I'd give it a B to this point. I REALLY REALLY wish we had made Sage for a 3rd move though. Wonder if there was a C or G available in the the 3rd that would be starting over meyers or breisel. Not only that, but I was about right when I said I didnt' want Sage around because the guy wasn't going to take us anywhere. If Matt isn't our QB, we're not a good team. We got to find a way to protect him, if we're not going to, we need to get rid of him and bring in someone else. This isn't me calling for his head, this is me talking to management saying make a choice. Lets not ruin another QB.

Mike

Speaking of which, when is Schaub due to come back? I remember they said up to 4 weeks. Was this Sage's 2nd or 3rd game? I can't remember. They all seem to be a blur of turnovers! :gun:

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 11:00 PM
Throw the bank at Albert Haynesworth..(we'll have the cap space)...problem solved, I don't want to blow another 1st rounder on another DT.

Blazin' Toro
11-23-2008, 11:30 PM
Throw the bank at Albert Haynesworth..(we'll have the cap space)...problem solved, I don't want to blow another 1st rounder on another DT.

I agree, Veteran FA > Draft Pick

J-Russ
11-23-2008, 11:43 PM
I REALLY REALLY wish we had made Sage for a 3rd move though. Wonder if there was a C or G available in the the 3rd that would be starting over meyers or breisel.

I wish we would've gotten that extra third and trade it for one of those top tier DTs that was on the block during the offseason (Stroud, Jenkins, or Rogers). The bar was set at 3rd and 4th round picks. Hell Rogers was had for a 3rd and a player that was undrafted out of college. Those were a big time bargain for those type of dlinemens. Too late now. We are in big need of an NT, hell even UT with how Amobi is playing, and wouldn't/will not had find impact, seasoned DTs like those in the drafts. We blew out on chance to get a big time DTs during that trading splurge.

Also, when did Chicago became a lock in win game? Did I missed something? Cause last time I checked they were three times the team we are. Infact if they were to play all their starters, I would expect them to destroy our ass like Baltimore did on our own turf. They are tied with Minny right now for 1st place, and have Green Bay trailing them by 1 game.... so don't expect them to sit their starters against us.

Oakland just owned Denver today, who is also a better team then us. We play them away so don't count on that as a lock in win.

In the end we might just end up 5-11... I'm going to say 6-10 though, that should give us a good draft pick.

valleytexfan
11-24-2008, 12:52 AM
agreed...we've got young players that will develop. Let's bring in some QUALITY FAs to complete this thing...:texflag:

GNTLEWOLF
11-24-2008, 01:04 AM
I wish we would've gotten that extra third and trade it for one of those top tier DTs that was on the block during the offseason (Stroud, Jenkins, or Rogers). The bar was set at 3rd and 4th round picks. Hell Rogers was had for a 3rd and a player that was undrafted out of college. Those were a big time bargain for those type of dlinemens. Too late now. We are in big need of an NT, hell even UT with how Amobi is playing, and wouldn't/will not had find impact, seasoned DTs like those in the drafts. We blew out on chance to get a big time DTs during that trading splurge.

Also, when did Chicago became a lock in win game? Did I missed something? Cause last time I checked they were three times the team we are. Infact if they were to play all their starters, I would expect them to destroy our ass like Baltimore did on our own turf. They are tied with Minny right now for 1st place, and have Green Bay trailing them by 1 game.... so don't expect them to sit their starters against us.

Oakland just owned Denver today, who is also a better team then us. We play them away so don't count on that as a lock in win.

In the end we might just end up 5-11... I'm going to say 6-10 though, that should give us a good draft pick.

Thank you for talking sense. I had thought I was crazy all year when I would read everyone's predictions and Chicago and Oakland were treated as sure wins. Chicago , in my opinion will own us, and Oakland is not the same old same old.

imatexan
11-24-2008, 01:32 AM
Oakland! Are you kidding me they are TERRIBLE, easy win!

Norg
11-24-2008, 01:36 AM
DOnt we got Barber has SS hes a rookie and got hurt but should be healthy by next season


anywayz i still think we need to draft defensive during this draft

and a NEW Power Running back would be nice no rookie someone in FA unlees there is a good rookie at the time we pick

and iam not sleeping on Oakland or chicago has u seen today Oakland is just like us a young team on the rise chicago has u know is a beast

and jax is a divison game that could go either way

Norg
11-24-2008, 01:38 AM
The meaningless win over the Browns instead of drafting Adrian Peterson was so worth it:fans:

7-9 keeps the mediocrity of Kubiak and the rest of his admin in charge for another year as well.

yes but the vickings since AP have still not made it to the postseason .....

TexanSam
11-24-2008, 02:11 AM
DOnt we got Barber has SS hes a rookie and got hurt but should be healthy by next season


anywayz i still think we need to draft defensive during this draft

and a NEW Power Running back would be nice no rookie someone in FA unlees there is a good rookie at the time we pick

and iam not sleeping on Oakland or chicago has u seen today Oakland is just like us a young team on the rise chicago has u know is a beast

and jax is a divison game that could go either way

If the Texans go into next season with Dominique Barber as their starting SS, the safety play is going to be terrible. Again. I wouldn't really trust quality play out of a 6th round draft pick who's been injured.

Oakland? On the rise? Just because they beat a Denver team who has one of the worst defenses in the league? The Texans are better than Oakland. They probably aren't better than Chicago though.

BTW try laying off the whiskey a little before you post.

nero THE zero
11-24-2008, 07:58 AM
The meaningless win over the Browns instead of drafting Adrian Peterson was so worth it:fans:

7-9 keeps the mediocrity of Kubiak and the rest of his admin in charge for another year as well.

Patrick Willis
Marshawn Lynch
Darrelle Revis
Lawrence Timmons

All of these guys were drafted soon after AD and will have comparable careers to AD.

I'll take the win.

Corrosion
11-24-2008, 08:26 AM
Oakland! Are you kidding me they are TERRIBLE, easy win!

Sure , they suck , but they beat division leading Bronco's in Denver yesterday ..... easily.

No game on the road is an easy win for the Texans.

Hooston Texan
11-24-2008, 08:44 AM
I wish we would've gotten that extra third and trade it for one of those top tier DTs that was on the block during the offseason (Stroud, Jenkins, or Rogers). The bar was set at 3rd and 4th round picks. Hell Rogers was had for a 3rd and a player that was undrafted out of college. Those were a big time bargain for those type of dlinemens. Too late now. We are in big need of an NT, hell even UT with how Amobi is playing, and wouldn't/will not had find impact, seasoned DTs like those in the drafts. We blew out on chance to get a big time DTs during that trading splurge.



Jenkins, much more so than Brett Favre, is the biggest reason the Jets now have the inside track for the AFC East. The Jet run D was #29 in the league last year. This year, it is #3, behind only Pittsburgh and Minnesota. They achieved this turnaround despite trading away an All-Pro linebacker (Vilma) at the same time they acquired Jenkins. And they only gave up a 3 and a 5 to get him. A NT like one of those guys would solve many of our defense's problems.

beerlover
11-24-2008, 09:48 AM
had our chance with Wilfork in 04 & passed even though Capers 3-4 defense needed a healthy big body to play nose with Payne always hurt. Now even if Cody declares the Texans have played themselves out of any chance to draft him, so do they trade down like 05 & draft a tweener like Travis?

I'm sorry but I'm so sick of our QB play. if the Texans had any shot & Farve & passed that makes me even sicker. 7 stinking years of this crap from the QB position is inexcuseable, its pathetic & morbid attempt to subject the fan base to cruel & unusual treatment. If the Texans could draft Sam Bradford tomorrow I'd be the first in line to get a autographed Houston Texans #14 jersey, not another #8 or #18 or anything with the NUMBER 8 as a matter of point this year of 08 as well, I'm ready for the offseason. :headhurts:

Texanmike02
11-24-2008, 10:05 AM
anything with the letter 8 as a matter of point this year of 08 as well, I'm ready for the offseason. :headhurts:

Just had to point that out. Sorry

The1ApplePie
11-24-2008, 10:10 AM
Patrick Willis
Marshawn Lynch
Darrelle Revis
Lawrence Timmons

All of these guys were drafted soon after AD and will have comparable careers to AD.

I'll take the win.

Don't forget Amobi Okoye!:texflag:

Texanmike02
11-24-2008, 10:11 AM
I wish we would've gotten that extra third and trade it for one of those top tier DTs that was on the block during the offseason (Stroud, Jenkins, or Rogers). The bar was set at 3rd and 4th round picks. Hell Rogers was had for a 3rd and a player that was undrafted out of college. Those were a big time bargain for those type of dlinemens. Too late now. We are in big need of an NT, hell even UT with how Amobi is playing, and wouldn't/will not had find impact, seasoned DTs like those in the drafts. We blew out on chance to get a big time DTs during that trading splurge.

Also, when did Chicago became a lock in win game? Did I missed something? Cause last time I checked they were three times the team we are. Infact if they were to play all their starters, I would expect them to destroy our ass like Baltimore did on our own turf. They are tied with Minny right now for 1st place, and have Green Bay trailing them by 1 game.... so don't expect them to sit their starters against us.

Oakland just owned Denver today, who is also a better team then us. We play them away so don't count on that as a lock in win.

In the end we might just end up 5-11... I'm going to say 6-10 though, that should give us a good draft pick.

I think we should beat Chicago. I guess we could go position by position and look at it. But fine, if I'm a game off... so be it. My point is that this team is one of those teams that will go from below average to very good if they go out and get a few things. We're not that far away. Does anyone have Rick Smith's #? Call him and tell him to throw in free buffet tickes onto whatever we give him. Hell, hire Dayne as a buffet consultant.. have him show Haynesworth around town...

Mike

beerlover
11-24-2008, 10:20 AM
Just had to point that out. Sorry

thanks :) could replace letter with expletive which is probably what I was originally thinking :thinking:

Corrosion
11-24-2008, 10:27 AM
had our chance with Wilfork in 04 & passed even though Capers 3-4 defense needed a healthy big body to play nose with Payne always hurt. Now even if Cody declares the Texans have played themselves out of any chance to draft him, so do they trade down like 05 & draft a tweener like Travis?

I'm sorry but I'm so sick of our QB play. if the Texans had any shot & Farve & passed that makes me even sicker. 7 stinking years of this crap from the QB position is inexcuseable, its pathetic & morbid attempt to subject the fan base to cruel & unusual treatment. If the Texans could draft Sam Bradford tomorrow I'd be the first in line to get a autographed Houston Texans #14 jersey, not another #8 or #18 or anything with the NUMBER 8 as a matter of point this year of 08 as well, I'm ready for the offseason. :headhurts:

Beer I think you are right , if Cody declares he's gone before the Texans pick .... What do you think of Raji from BC.

The1ApplePie
11-24-2008, 10:33 AM
Beer I think you are right , if Cody declares he's gone before the Texans pick .... What do you think of Raji from BC.

Maybe Raji in the second. I guess Spikes or Mauluga in the first since Orakpo will also be gone.

The Texans could lose out to Oakland and Jacksonville to get Cody though

Corrosion
11-24-2008, 10:37 AM
Maybe Raji in the second. I guess Spikes or Mauluga in the first since Orakpo will also be gone.

The Texans could lose out to Oakland and Jacksonville to get Cody though

I think he could be gone long before that .... quite possibly top ten overall if he has a good combine / senior bowl.

mussop
11-24-2008, 10:58 AM
had our chance with Wilfork in 04 & passed even though Capers 3-4 defense needed a healthy big body to play nose with Payne always hurt. Now even if Cody declares the Texans have played themselves out of any chance to draft him, so do they trade down like 05 & draft a tweener like Travis?

I'm sorry but I'm so sick of our QB play. if the Texans had any shot & Farve & passed that makes me even sicker. 7 stinking years of this crap from the QB position is inexcuseable, its pathetic & morbid attempt to subject the fan base to cruel & unusual treatment. If the Texans could draft Sam Bradford tomorrow I'd be the first in line to get a autographed Houston Texans #14 jersey, not another #8 or #18 or anything with the NUMBER 8 as a matter of point this year of 08 as well, I'm ready for the offseason. :headhurts:

Yep if Smithiack would of just listend to me.

http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110

Favre 2007 stats
RAT 95.7 YARDS 4155 TD 28 INT 15
Takes Green Bay to the NFC Champoinship game while surrounded by arguably less talent than any other playoff team and comes up just 3 pionts shy of beating eventual World Champion NY Giants and going to the SUPERBOWL!

Matt Schaub 2007 STATS
RAT 87.2 YDS 2,241 TD 9 INT 9

Sage Rosenfels 2007 STATS
RAT 84.8 YDS 1,684 TD 15 INT 12

Favre hasnt missed a game since 1993. Thats 16 games a year for 15 years. Some of you need to get a grip on youre perspective of this team. You are all feeling a little to warm and fuzzy about the Texans. I have high hopes to but cmon man, if we have a chance to get one of the premier QB's of the last 15 years we should jump all over it. Yeh were building a winner here and going about the right way but the QB position is the most important position there is.

You really think Shaub would mind being tudored by a HOF QB for the next couple of years? Do you honestly believe Favres presence would harm this teams growth? One of the beggest question marks about this team is whether or not Schaub is ready/capable of being the leader of this team. He (Shaub) could learn from one of if not the best leaders the NFL has ever had.

We dont know for sure if Shaub can last a whole year. Sage is a FA after next year. Do you honestly think he'll be back? I know it wont happen but if you could get Favre for a 3rd or 4th round pick or even for Sage, DO IT NOW!

Never got a legitamate answer about us turning down an offer but it was rumored.

Well, don't pin your hopes on it. I don't have any linkage on this, so take it fwiw... unsubstantiated interweb chatter... but word is when the Packers called the Texans about a trade, the Texans said no.

Probably not a surprising answer, either.

beerlover
11-24-2008, 11:09 AM
I think he could be gone long before that .... quite possibly top ten overall if he has a good combine / senior bowl.

this is getting into draft forum arena, but here is the bottom line- the Texans have many needs, many many needs so my only hope is they select bpa that fits one of those needs. I also don't think the Texans can afford to wait for that prospect to develop, that he needs to come into camp day one & establish upgrade @ his position. right now that could be safety, cb, OLB, DE, DT, OG, RB & QB.

in regards to Raji, he projects to a 3-4 nose tackle position, I don't see the Texans switching back to that scheme anytime soon. so I'd pass & wait to see who is available in the 2nd. Jerry Peria is a much better 4-3 DT fit & if he was available in the 2nd for the Texans he could be a legitimate bpa @ a need position next to Amobi.

Mailman
11-24-2008, 11:12 AM
Are some of you seriously talking about Brett freakin Favre as if the Texans were even in the discussion to get him?

Get real. Favre had one team in mind and one team only. Once he accepted the reality that there was no way Thompson would let him play for a division rival, he had a choice to make--play in New York or stay retired. The Texans are not a marquee franchise, and a marquee franchise was a precondition to feed Favre's ego.

I can't believe this has to be said.

mussop
11-24-2008, 11:13 AM
this is getting into draft forum arena, but here is the bottom line- the Texans have many needs, many many needs so my only hope is they select bpa that fits one of those needs. I also don't think the Texans can afford to wait for that prospect to develop, that he needs to come into camp day one & establish upgrade @ his position. right now that could be safety, cb, OLB, DE, DT, OG, RB & QB.

in regards to Raji, he projects to a 3-4 nose tackle position, I don't see the Texans switching back to that scheme anytime soon. so I'd pass & wait to see who is available in the 2nd. Jerry Peria is a much better 4-3 DT fit & if he was available in the 2nd for the Texans he could be a legitimate bpa @ a need position next to Amobi.

At this point I would say he would be a better fit next to TJ.

Hooston Texan
11-24-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm sorry but I'm so sick of our QB play. if the Texans had any shot & Farve & passed that makes me even sicker. 7 stinking years of this crap from the QB position is inexcuseable, its pathetic & morbid attempt to subject the fan base to cruel & unusual treatment. If the Texans could draft Sam Bradford tomorrow I'd be the first in line to get a autographed Houston Texans #14 jersey, not another #8 or #18 or anything with the NUMBER 8 as a matter of point this year of 08 as well, I'm ready for the offseason. :headhurts:

The freshly-acquired Jet that we should have gone after was Jenkins, not Favre. Our QB play since the second game of the season has been really good. Well, what I mean is that Schaub was playing really well until Jared Allen took out his knee. I offer no alibi for the play of Rosenstupid--two bad picks with a lead in the second half is unconscionable for a QB--but at least the offense doesn't grind to a halt when he's in.

The Jets gave up a 3rd and a 5th to get a guy who, almost single-handedly, turned one of the worst run defenses into one of the best. That's basically Sage and Okam for a guy who's now being compared to Haynesworth. Yes, that leaves us with no backup for Matt, but we can find somebody semi-competent out there. How nice would it be to have a run-stuffer of Jenkins' caliber on the roster? I guess I wouldn't know because the Texans have never had one.

Corrosion
11-24-2008, 12:00 PM
this is getting into draft forum arena, but here is the bottom line- the Texans have many needs, many many needs so my only hope is they select bpa that fits one of those needs. I also don't think the Texans can afford to wait for that prospect to develop, that he needs to come into camp day one & establish upgrade @ his position. right now that could be safety, cb, OLB, DE, DT, OG, RB & QB.

in regards to Raji, he projects to a 3-4 nose tackle position, I don't see the Texans switching back to that scheme anytime soon. so I'd pass & wait to see who is available in the 2nd. Jerry Peria is a much better 4-3 DT fit & if he was available in the 2nd for the Texans he could be a legitimate bpa @ a need position next to Amobi.

I dont see why a guy who projects well the a 3-4 NT cant operate in a 4-3 at the NT .... I can however see why a guy who projects to a 4-3 would not fit well in a 3-4 . It just seems that a guy who can play the NT in a 3-4 should be able to do as well , if not better in the 4-3 .

El Tejano
11-24-2008, 12:59 PM
Throw the bank at Albert Haynesworth..(we'll have the cap space)...problem solved, I don't want to blow another 1st rounder on another DT.

That's actually not a bad idea. It's the Jerry Jones way of getting your team on the winning track - take the players from the teams that beat you.

beerlover
11-24-2008, 01:01 PM
The freshly-acquired Jet that we should have gone after was Jenkins, not Favre. Our QB play since the second game of the season has been really good. Well, what I mean is that Schaub was playing really well until Jared Allen took out his knee. I offer no alibi for the play of Rosenstupid--two bad picks with a lead in the second half is unconscionable for a QB--but at least the offense doesn't grind to a halt when he's in.

The Jets gave up a 3rd and a 5th to get a guy who, almost single-handedly, turned one of the worst run defenses into one of the best. That's basically Sage and Okam for a guy who's now being compared to Haynesworth. Yes, that leaves us with no backup for Matt, but we can find somebody semi-competent out there. How nice would it be to have a run-stuffer of Jenkins' caliber on the roster? I guess I wouldn't know because the Texans have never had one.

see this is what I'm talking about its been seven years & still the Texans do not have a go to leader come every Sunday who can inspire this team @ the QB position.

beerlover
11-24-2008, 01:19 PM
I dont see why a guy who projects well the a 3-4 NT cant operate in a 4-3 at the NT .... I can however see why a guy who projects to a 4-3 would not fit well in a 3-4 . It just seems that a guy who can play the NT in a 3-4 should be able to do as well , if not better in the 4-3 .

I'd like some height as well as girth in the middle if I'm running the 4-3. of course there are always exceptions to the rule but ideally your looking for at least 6-3 & up. everybody is talking about Haynesworth well what they're not mentioning is his height, he is 6-6 & 320 thats dominate size for the position. if he doesn't occupy two linemen he uses his height to obstruct the QB's vision & he uses his hands & athletic ability to tip lots of passes. the Texans already invested in Amobi who has less than ideal height 6-2 while Travis is a little bigger for the position @ 6-3 but lacks the toughness to stay in games. from NFL draft scout Peria - "Quick, active three-technique tackle. Good height and adequate girth inside. Very quick off the snap, able to beat the down block by tackles or penetrate to force the quarterback to rush his decision. Gets his hands inside guards' jerseys to push the pocket. Chases downfield when plays are run away from him, and works hard to make a tackle when the ball is in his area. Uses his hands well to defeat cut blocks inside. Handles doubles pretty well when playing the nose considering his height, and is able to get off the double to get to the ball".

when comparing him to Raji barely 6-1 from NFL draft scout - At his best lining up at the nose, though he flashes the initial burst off the snap to be effective as the under-tackle in the 4-3 alignment. Strong enough to pull down ballcarriers with just his arms.

imatexan
11-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Sure , they suck , but they beat division leading Bronco's in Denver yesterday ..... easily.

No game on the road is an easy win for the Texans.

True but I still think they are a very bad team who seems to play even worse against us.

Hooston Texan
11-24-2008, 03:18 PM
see this is what I'm talking about its been seven years & still the Texans do not have a go to leader come every Sunday who can inspire this team @ the QB position.

The bolded part is the only place in the above criteria where Schaub has come up demonstrably short. Of course, that is no small area, and his fumbling has been a problem, too.

I think the offense has acknowledged that he is, when healthy, the leader (I'm thinking of his teammates discussing his "we have them where we want them" comments in the huddle against Miami). And, in the ultimate crucible of leadership for a QB--last-minute game-tying or game-winning drives--Schaub is 3-for-3 with us.

His durability is, of course, a question (fairly or unfairly). But when we acquired him, we had no way to know that. His only injury in three years as a starter at UVA was a shoulder separation (his throwing shoulder, not the one he hurt last year) that only kept him out two games.

As my screen-name suggests, I have a bias towards Schaub. But I do believe that, if we can keep him healthy, starting QB is not a need for us going forward.

Norg
11-24-2008, 03:47 PM
If farve would of gone to Tampa Bay i dont see why he wouldnt come to houston


Its not like Tampa Bay is some much more stellar then Houston

mussop
11-24-2008, 06:14 PM
I dont see why a guy who projects well the a 3-4 NT cant operate in a 4-3 at the NT .... I can however see why a guy who projects to a 4-3 would not fit well in a 3-4 . It just seems that a guy who can play the NT in a 3-4 should be able to do as well , if not better in the 4-3 .

I feel the same way. Why have small or average size penetrating DT's when you can have 2 huge run plauggers in the middle. I say draft Cody and sign Haynesworth. lets see teams run up the middle against that line.

Goldensilence
11-24-2008, 06:15 PM
agreed...we've got young players that will develop. Let's bring in some QUALITY FAs to complete this thing...:texflag:

That's the problem defensively.We don't do a good job of developing players and we tend to pass on the surefire impact player for a guy that has great upside. We got lucky with Mario, Bennett, and looks like Adibi will turn out to be good. We got ultra lucky on Diles but.... I'm not sure if i am sold on him.

brakos82
11-24-2008, 06:48 PM
DOnt we got Barber has SS hes a rookie and got hurt but should be healthy by next season


anywayz i still think we need to draft defensive during this draft

and a NEW Power Running back would be nice no rookie someone in FA unlees there is a good rookie at the time we pick

and iam not sleeping on Oakland or chicago has u seen today Oakland is just like us a young team on the rise chicago has u know is a beast

and jax is a divison game that could go either way

BTW try laying off the whiskey a little before you post.

Don't bother Sam... That's just Norgian...

The1ApplePie
11-24-2008, 10:17 PM
That's the problem defensively.We don't do a good job of developing players and we tend to pass on the surefire impact player for a guy that has great upside. We got lucky with Mario, Bennett, and looks like Adibi will turn out to be good. We got ultra lucky on Diles but.... I'm not sure if i am sold on him.

I still can't understand Amobi over Willis. Patrick seemed to be about the closest thing you can get to as a sure thing in the draft

ObsiWan
12-01-2008, 07:29 AM
I still can't understand Amobi over Willis. Patrick seemed to be about the closest thing you can get to as a sure thing in the draft

I think it goes back to the whole, "we gotta get pressure from just the front four" thing. Amobi looked promising as a DT pass rusher type. Plus DeMeco was entrenched in the middle, Diles looked like he'd do on the outside, and -rightly or wrongly - they were satisfied with Greenwood as the other OLB. Bottom line - at the time - we looked fairly set at LB where DT appeared to be more of a need.

Looking back, we should have gotten Willis and let him usurp Greenwood and picked up a DT on the second day.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Vinny
12-01-2008, 08:04 AM
I know where we stand...a team that should never say we "should" beat anyone. We are one of the few weak teams in the league that everyone looks at on the schedule and sees a weak opponent.

Maddict5
12-01-2008, 10:37 AM
I know where we stand...a team that should never say we "should" beat anyone. We are one of the few weak teams in the league that everyone looks at on the schedule and sees a weak opponent.

i wouldnt say that.. we all said we should beat cin, det and mia at home and we did. in fact this team usually does beat the teams its supposed to (bar the falcs last yr) the oaklands, kc etc

beerlover
12-01-2008, 10:53 AM
i wouldnt say that.. we all said we should beat cin, det and mia at home and we did. in fact this team usually does beat the teams its supposed to (bar the falcs last yr) the oaklands, kc etc

N/A

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I dont mean non-applicable I mean not-acceptable

Seven years of celler deweller
Seven years of with substandard running attack
Seven years of frustration with QB production/leadership
Seven years of poor run defense
Seven years of no pass rush
Seven years of giving up big plays in secondary
Seven years for the Texans to play Monday Night Football
Seven years of finishing last in the AFC South
Seven years of inability to hold a lead against qualtiy teams

so thats acceptable? the Texans are who we thought they where? beat those they should :club: yet lose to eveyone else :deadhorse

BigBull17
12-01-2008, 12:39 PM
I think it goes back to the whole, "we gotta get pressure from just the front four" thing. Amobi looked promising as a DT pass rusher type. Plus DeMeco was entrenched in the middle, Diles looked like he'd do on the outside, and -rightly or wrongly - they were satisfied with Greenwood as the other OLB. Bottom line - at the time - we looked fairly set at LB where DT appeared to be more of a need.

Looking back, we should have gotten Willis and let him usurp Greenwood and picked up a DT on the second day.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

My only problem is that Demeco isnt a great fit in the middle. He gets beat up because of his size. Willis made alot more sense, but we like raw "potential". Demeco outside, with Willis in the middle, gives us one of the best LB group in the NFL. however, if you insist on under sized Lb's, get some run stuffing hogs up front to keep guys off of them.

Vinny
12-01-2008, 12:45 PM
My only problem is that Demeco isnt a great fit in the middle. He gets beat up because of his size. Willis made alot more sense, but we like raw "potential". Demeco outside, with Willis in the middle, gives us one of the best LB group in the NFL. however, if you insist on under sized Lb's, get some run stuffing hogs up front to keep guys off of them.

DeMeco not a great fit in the middle? BS

He's exceptional in the middle of the field except for when he is playing with some injuries. He's been average when injured...but so are most other players.

Vinny
12-01-2008, 12:46 PM
i wouldnt say that.. we all said we should beat cin, det and mia at home and we did. in fact this team usually does beat the teams its supposed to (bar the falcs last yr) the oaklands, kc etc

we are barely better than the worst teams in the league...feel better now? I don't...mainly because I don't cheer on mediocrity with any sort of passion.

infantrycak
12-01-2008, 01:00 PM
My only problem is that Demeco isnt a great fit in the middle.

I wish we had more players who were such poor fits they not only went to the pro-bowl but started and were "handed the torch" by a future hall of famer at their position.

He gets beat up because of his size. Willis made alot more sense, but we like raw "potential". Demeco outside, with Willis in the middle, gives us one of the best LB group in the NFL. however, if you insist on under sized Lb's, get some run stuffing hogs up front to keep guys off of them.

Where the heck is the size difference between Willis and Demeco? Willis is listed at 240 lbs and Ryans at 250 lbs on their respective team rosters.

Vinny
12-01-2008, 01:03 PM
Where the heck is the size difference between Willis and Demeco? Willis is listed at 240 lbs and Ryans at 250 lbs on their respective team rosters.

he must not have ESPNnews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6TDLuKgQ)

Texan_Bill
12-01-2008, 01:23 PM
Re: Where we stand


I know where I stand..........

the BullPen!!!!

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