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TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:22 PM
He had a pretty good day, a forced fumble to start the day, an INT, a TD broken up in the end zone.

But let me guess, the only thing that will be brought up is the one long toss play.

It was a solid showing by our secondary today.

imatexan
11-23-2008, 04:23 PM
Agreed..

An new on Dunta?

I love how this board is dead once again after a win.

Corrosion
11-23-2008, 04:24 PM
He had a pretty good day, a forced fumble to start the day, an INT, a TD broken up in the end zone.

But let me guess, the only thing that will be brought up is the one long toss play.
It was a solid showing by our secondary today.

He did have a pretty good day .... on that play you mention , his biggest weakness was shown. He has trouble making plays on the ball .... he had pretty good position on that play and probably should have broken it up but over ran the play.

TexansSeminole
11-23-2008, 04:25 PM
Reeves had some nice plays today but I can't help but notice that he is a ball watcher on alot of plays. Simply watches the ball rather than making a play on it. Can't complain too much, he made as many plays as he gave up.

bah007
11-23-2008, 04:26 PM
Edwards did have six or seven drops.

Our secondary played decent but not great.

stingray
11-23-2008, 04:27 PM
I love how this board is dead once again after a win.

So I'm guessing... This board is pretty active on Sundays....

Texan JBZ
11-23-2008, 04:29 PM
Yes he does. He had an okay day today against a bad offense. But he is too much of a liability. Every team the Texans play go straight at Reeves every play. Take the 4th and 10 situation during the game. Go right at Reeves for whatever you need. And Edwards dropped the ball in the end zone. Reeves didn't do crap. He's garbage and should be hugging the pine.

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:30 PM
Reeves had some nice plays today but I can't help but notice that he is a ball watcher on alot of plays. Simply watches the ball rather than making a play on it. Can't complain too much, he made as many plays as he gave up.

I think the Texans should have his eyes checked. He is in good position most of the time but its like he can't see the ball.

That or someone needs to learn him how to run with his head turned.

Corrosion
11-23-2008, 04:32 PM
I think the Texans should have his eyes checked. He is in good position most of the time but its like he can't see the ball.
That or someone needs to learn him how to run with his head turned.

Exactly .

dtran04
11-23-2008, 04:32 PM
So I'm guessing... This board is MOSTLY dead.....

There would be ten times as many posts if they lost. That's how its always been.

J-Russ
11-23-2008, 04:32 PM
He really does. I hope we cut him this off-season... unless he's willing to take a major paycut.

How much is Petey making again? No I mean the the other Petey... the Faggins one.

powerfuldragon
11-23-2008, 04:33 PM
Jackie Reaves is the worst ever.

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:33 PM
Yes he does. He had an okay day today against a bad offense. But he is too much of a liability. Every team the Texans play go straight at Reeves every play. Take the 4th and 10 situation during the game. Go right at Reeves for whatever you need. And Edwards dropped the ball in the end zone. Reeves didn't do crap. He's garbage and should be hugging the pine.

:yawn:

Honoring Earl 34
11-23-2008, 04:34 PM
There would be ten times as many posts if they lost. That's how its always been.

I think once the season gets out of hand ... again ... then the posters start dropping after a game win or lose

J-Russ
11-23-2008, 04:35 PM
Yes he does. He had an okay day today against a bad offense. But he is too much of a liability. Every team the Texans play go straight at Reeves every play. Take the 4th and 10 situation during the game. Go right at Reeves for whatever you need. And Edwards dropped the ball in the end zone. Reeves didn't do crap. He's garbage and should be hugging the pine.

Yep, every team have been game planning against this guy. Every week it's the same thing go at Reeves on the right side... now he switched to the left and they're attacking that side. That ain't no coincidence, those teams are exploiting our weakness. They know what side they can get big passing plays from... and Reeves is gladly giving it to them without much of a fight.

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:35 PM
Jackie Reaves is the worst ever.

The worst ever? Really?

So you think Faggins is better?

powerfuldragon
11-23-2008, 04:36 PM
I'd like to think that it's because he was called out on these boards that he excelled this week.

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:37 PM
Yep, every team have been game planning against this guy. Every week it's the same thing go at Reeves on the right side... now he switched to the left and they're attacking that side. That ain't no coincidence, those teams are exploiting our weakness. They know what side they can get big passing plays from... and Reeves is gladly giving it to them without much of a fight.

Hater.

Texan JBZ
11-23-2008, 04:37 PM
:yawn:

Oh, you disagree. Good, there's always next week for Petey Reeves to prove my point and dispute yours. The guy has been hot garbage all year and should get a pass for one halfway decent game? Maybe from you.

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:37 PM
I'd like to think that it's because he was called out on these boards that he excelled this week.

Good plan.

Corrosion
11-23-2008, 04:38 PM
I think once the season gets out of hand ... again ... then the posters start dropping after a game win or lose

Some of us are just gluttons for punishment .... we are here year round season after season since the begining ..

stingray
11-23-2008, 04:38 PM
hater.

no. Not a homer

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 04:39 PM
Oh, you disagree. Good, there's always next week for Petey Reeves to prove my point and dispute yours. The guy has been hot garbage all year and should get a pass for one halfway decent game? Maybe from you.

28 tackles, 13 passes defensed, 3 INT's, an INT returned for a TD, and a forced fumbled.

Yeah, hot garbage.

Honoring Earl 34
11-23-2008, 04:40 PM
Some of us are just gluttons for punishment .... we are here year round season after season since the begining ..

Yep ... but alot of folks have been in the NSZ waiting for the draft .

J-Russ
11-23-2008, 04:40 PM
Hater.

I tried liking him, I really did. It's never good to suppressed you anger though.

Wolf
11-23-2008, 04:40 PM
Times have changed and we are debating on if reeves is good or not.

We should have appreciated Coleman and Glenn more when they were here.

mexican_texan
11-23-2008, 04:40 PM
Molden played well.





Oh, wait, this is the Texans board.




FIRE SMITH!!! Amobi sucks!!! /smiley /another smiley

Texan JBZ
11-23-2008, 04:45 PM
28 tackles, 13 passes defensed, 3 INT's, an INT returned for a TD, and a forced fumbled.

Yeah, hot garbage.

If I wasn't a Texans fanatic and didn't watch every second of every game and hadn't ever watched Petey Reeves play, I'd think those were good numbers. But you know like I know like everybody here knows that those numbers don't tell squat about how pathetic Reeves really is.

I'd like to see how many times he's been thrown at. I'd also like to see how many times this year he's given up a pass play over 20 yards. Also, I'd like to see how many first downs he's given up on 3rd and 4th down.

I do know this from his numbers - 28 tackles is low considering how many times teams have thrown the ball at him.

The1ApplePie
11-23-2008, 04:47 PM
At the end of the day Reeves is the third best player on our defense. Which I guess speaks volumes for our defense

Texan JBZ
11-23-2008, 04:50 PM
At the end of the day Reeves is the third best player on our defense. Which I guess speaks volumes for our defense

:mcnugget: :mcnugget: :mcnugget: :spit::gun::gun:

fikster
11-23-2008, 04:54 PM
to put it simply, Reeves sucks on the Madden on Playstation. He sucks on a video game, he just sucks. Sorry TexanRed:)

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 04:56 PM
What's the point of this thread?

Reeves still sucks.........when you get thrown at all game long, every week, you're bound to make a couple of plays. It still doesn't change the fact that Reeves get's gameplanned for (not in a good way) and picked on every week, by just about every team. He looked foolish on that dropped TD pass that should've been caught.....he didn't even know where the damn ball was.

He's still the worst db on the worst secondary in the league.

powerfuldragon
11-23-2008, 04:57 PM
What's the point of this thread?

Reeves still sucks.........when you get thrown at all game long, every week, you're bound to make a couple of plays. It still doesn't change the fact that Reeves get's gameplanned for (not in a good way) and picked on every week.

He's still the worst db on the worst secondary in the league.

you're just trying to be an ass. he had a good day.

imatexan
11-23-2008, 05:06 PM
What's the point of this thread?

Reeves still sucks.........when you get thrown at all game long, every week, you're bound to make a couple of plays. It still doesn't change the fact that Reeves get's gameplanned for (not in a good way) and picked on every week, by just about every team. He looked foolish on that dropped TD pass that should've been caught.....he didn't even know where the damn ball was.

He's still the worst db on the worst secondary in the league.


One might say, whats the point of your post in this case?

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 05:07 PM
you're just trying to be an ass. he had a good day.

I'm not trying to be an ass......I'm telling the truth.

I mean what's next....is somebody going to start the sarcastic "That Weaver guy sucks" thead now two?

I don't judge people off of two plays, I take in the whole body of work.....and Reeves still sucks, sorry, but it's the truth.

There's a reason why Dallas took in a thug and spent another 1st rounder on a CB, when they already had one PB caliber CB.

Wolf
11-23-2008, 05:07 PM
well while we are in the "sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while" category

Weaver? 3 tackles, one assist and 1 int

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 05:08 PM
One might say, whats the point of your post in this case?

It's pretty self-explanatory........Reeves still sucks, I thought I made that clear. He's a huge reason why we're as bad on D as we are. He made two big plays, but also gave up big plays......but yeah I guess y'all are right and I should give him his props, because usually it's just "he gave up big plays".

Kudos to you Reeves for balancing out some of your regular horrible coverage.

Hervoyel
11-23-2008, 05:10 PM
Agreed..

An new on Dunta?

I love how this board is dead once again after a win.

Following a road win most Texans fans are in a state of shock and incapable of talking about what they've just seen. It's difficult to suspend ones sense of disbelief in situations like this.

powerfuldragon
11-23-2008, 05:12 PM
maybe the fact that he's been thrown to so often has given him some ingame practice from which he's learnt certain nuances of the game he hadn't grasped before.. just trying to be an optimist.

Wolf
11-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Congrats on Reeves day and as a Texan fan I hope it is the start of more for him, but over all, I have to agree with CB on Reeves, maybe with better coaching and a better pass rush from the DL , he will continue to get better and better

and if not, well we wasted more money on a FA

heck I might be hard to please, but I want shut down corners, not a bend but don't break type of corners that we have (and safeties)

mexican_texan
11-23-2008, 05:14 PM
maybe the fact that he's been thrown to so often has given him some ingame practice from which he's learnt certain nuances of the game he hadn't grasped before.. just trying to be an optimist.
There's no point, we could win 45-3 and the majority of the board would be complaining about something.

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 05:16 PM
Following a road win most Texans fans are in a state of shock and incapable of talking about what they've just seen. It's difficult to suspend ones sense of disbelief in situations like this.

No, it's just most fans don't get excited with mediocrity anymore (or watching their team win a game against another team who just "out crapped" them).

I mean I'm happy they won...really am, it's just........YAY! 4-7 with wins over the (Dolphins, only quality win), Lions, Bengals, and Browns.

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 05:22 PM
maybe the fact that he's been thrown to so often has given him some ingame practice from which he's learnt certain nuances of the game he hadn't grasped before.. just trying to be an optimist.

He still can't locate and make a play on the ball, just about all his picks this year were tipped passes or just absolutely horrible throws.

Here's the difference okay. Bennett (who has had a off year) under cuts and jumps the route of his receiver......and makes a play on the ball. Reeves never does that. That throw into the endzone, he didn't even know where the ball was. On another long throw down the sideline where his receiver caught the ball and then ran out of bounds, Reeves was signaling for a incompletion, because he still didn't see the guy catch the ball.

If he hasn't learned it by now he's not going to......he's Jason David jr.

The guy made two huge throws in this game.....I can admit that, but that doesn't change the fact that I do NOT want him starting next season.

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 05:24 PM
There's no point, we could win 45-3 and the majority of the board would be complaining about something.

45-3 would be manhandling a team and stepping on their throats/putting a game away..(something that rarely happens)....most fans would be pretty excited with that.

mexican_texan
11-23-2008, 05:30 PM
45-3 would be manhandling a team and stepping on their throats/putting a game away..(something that rarely happens)....most fans would be pretty excited with that.
I don't recall any optimistic posts when we beat up the Bengals.

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 05:36 PM
I don't recall any optimistic posts when we beat up the Bengals.

I remember plenty of people being optimistic........after a horrible 0-4 start, we bounced back with a ass kicking of the Bengals and were 3-4 and still in the hunt.

Now we're 4-7 and out of the picture....it is what it is. I don't see how anybody can blame people for not being happy with this team this season....we were 8-8 last season despite major injuries, if anything this team has regressed

Hooston Texan
11-23-2008, 05:38 PM
Actually, when Edwards caught that long pass, I thought--hey, Reeves actually looked back for the ball this time! Of course, he really made no play on it, but if he's actually learning to turn his head and try to locate, then maybe he can learn more. On the plays after that, he was getting his head around, too.

And who stole Weaver's jersey at halftime? Whoever that was, I hope to see more of him.

PapaL
11-23-2008, 05:42 PM
Plain and simple, stats lie.

PapaL
11-23-2008, 05:45 PM
Actually, when Edwards caught that long pass, I thought--hey, Reeves actually looked back for the ball this time! Of course, he really made no play on it, but if he's actually learning to turn his head and try to locate, then maybe he can learn more. On the plays after that, he was getting his head around, too.

And who stole Weaver's jersey at halftime? Whoever that was, I hope to see more of him.

Are you saying that a seasoned NFL "CB" needs to be taught/learn to turn his head, locate the ball and move his hands towards the ball?

TEXANRED
11-23-2008, 05:58 PM
Are you saying that a seasoned NFL "CB" needs to be taught/learn to turn his head, locate the ball and move his hands towards the ball?
Thats like asking if Brett Favre needs to learn not to throw to the other team.

I have a theory as to why some Texan fans hate Reeves as much as they do. I think they are also Cowboy fans and watched Reeves make mistakes last year playing in a defense that did not suit him. I think these Cowboy fans are still hating on him even though he is having a solid season cus they can't let last year go.

Of course then there are those who hate on Reeves but love Bennett. A guy who couldn't cover a sandwich if he was a sandwich spread and lost his starting job to Faggins.

So I guess you just have to watch the games and come to your own conclusions.

cuppacoffee
11-23-2008, 05:59 PM
Plain and simple, stats lie.


Depends on whose stats we are talking about.

:coffee:

Wolf
11-23-2008, 06:20 PM
You could almost make a case for the title of the thread saying

"That Richard Smith guy really sucks"

I am joking of course but honestly I feel the names could be exchangeable. However Reeves is still coachable (getting the head turned and such) ... RS .. definitely not coachable or playable
:smiliedance: :joker:

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 06:52 PM
Thats like asking if Brett Favre needs to learn not to throw to the other team.

I have a theory as to why some Texan fans hate Reeves as much as they do. I think they are also Cowboy fans

I take offense to that.

I think these Cowboy fans are still hating on him even though he is having a solid season cus they can't let last year go.

?!?!? Do you honestly think Reeves is having a solid season.....WOW. LOL I guess Jason David had a solid season for the Saints last year too huh.

Of course then there are those who hate on Reeves but love Bennett. A guy who couldn't cover a sandwich if he was a sandwich spread and lost his starting job to Faggins..

I'm not in love with Bennett, but your kidding yourself if you think Reeves is better than him. (At best...and I mean at best, Reeves sucks just as much as he does, but the truth is Bennett is better than him with better ball skills) Bennett got benched early when he struggled instead of Reeves, because he's just a second year player and not the "high priced FA" that was brought in. Just like NOLA last season, Kubiak and company are still trying to justify the money they spent and are still trying to save face. Again.....Jacques Reeves is Jason David jr.

Go ahead and pull up Jason David's stats from last year and compare them to Jacques Reeve's from this season....they freaking mirror eachother.

Also if you think Bennett can't cover.....what the heck do you call what Jacques Reeves has been doing out there this season? Seriously.

I remember going over to the Saints board last season and they would say the same thing that we've been saying all year..........."I've never seen a guy get in position and still always give up the play". or "Wow they're just picking on him.....he's a first down machine".....or how about the classic "first down...guess who". If the guy was near as good as your trying to make him out to be, teams wouldn't target him on almost every throw. Peyton and Reeves were on a first name basis.....hell just about every QB has been on a first name basis with Jacques.

PapaL
11-23-2008, 07:39 PM
Thats like asking if Brett Favre needs to learn not to throw to the other team.

I have a theory as to why some Texan fans hate Reeves as much as they do. I think they are also Cowboy fans and watched Reeves make mistakes last year playing in a defense that did not suit him. I think these Cowboy fans are still hating on him even though he is having a solid season cus they can't let last year go.

Of course then there are those who hate on Reeves but love Bennett. A guy who couldn't cover a sandwich if he was a sandwich spread and lost his starting job to Faggins.

So I guess you just have to watch the games and come to your own conclusions.

There's a difference between asking Farve to take the easy throw and not the difficult advanced throw all time versus asking Reeves to make a basic play.

Theories are like buttholes - everyone has one and some stink more than others.

Mr teX
11-23-2008, 08:31 PM
He's not terrible in the sense that he just can't play in any capacity; i think he'd be a very good nickel, dime CB. He's just not a starter & certainly not worth the money we're paying him.

Look at the way the browns went after him instead of a still recovering Dunta. That says it all & it's not a good look for a starting CB unless the guy opposite u is deion sanders or champ bailey.

The1ApplePie
11-23-2008, 08:37 PM
Well, since basically the Texans gain more by losing than winning at this point, I guess Reeves is "sucking" by playing more

Why the guy couldn't figure out coverage when there were playoff chances is beyond me

PapaL
11-23-2008, 08:40 PM
Reeves is so bad Sage throws at him.

keyser
11-23-2008, 08:41 PM
I'm amazed that there are people on here arguing that Reeves is a good CB. I'll admit today was, on the whole, not a bad day, but only because the good plays he made made up for the bad ones. There's a reason he's thrown at over and over and over again, and it's not because he's so incredibly sneaky that he tricks the opponent into thinking that their receiver is poorly covered when he actually is covered well. Even the announcers noted that Dunta Robinson was barely thrown at today - obviously he was providing better coverage than Reeves today.

As for Reeves' interceptions, he should be given credit for being in a decent position and catching the ball when it arrived, but my memory of all three of this year's interceptions were that they were due to poor throws, rather than him making a good play on the ball. Weaver's interception today was in the same category (and no one is calling Weaver a good cornerback), while Bennett's today was due to making a play.

Edited to add: Plus, wasn't Reeves the one called for illegal contact on that 3rd and 20 play that ended up as a first down? And the one covering on that 4th and 10 that was converted? Those were a couple of the poor plays that made up for some of his good ones today.

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 09:41 PM
As for Reeves' interceptions, he should be given credit for being in a decent position and catching the ball when it arrived, but my memory of all three of this year's interceptions were that they were due to poor throws, rather than him making a good play on the ball.

This is what a Jacques Reeves interception looks like http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2259d Just like today's INT.

The other INT was just a horrible thrown ball that went straight to him.....

I mean kudos to you Reeves for catching the ball when it lands flat in your lap (Texas could've used you at the end of the TT game), but that's not going to happen often in the NFL. So how about you actually make a play on the damn ball, instead of being a member of the chain crew.

Oh BTW.....Gus Frerotte after that pick went on to beat Reeves like a drum for pretty much the entire afternoon....hell he had him beat on that play if Berrian doesn't muff the catch up.

mussop
11-23-2008, 10:34 PM
Reeves SUCKS and he didnt have a good day. You either drank too much or its been so long since youve seen a real CB you have forgotten what one looks like. Braylon Edwards was more responsible for us winning that game than our defense was. That guy should be run out of town with tar and feathers. If he had caught just half of the passes that he dropped today we most likely loose this game. Its great to be optimistic but lets keep it realistic.

hookinreds
11-23-2008, 10:56 PM
Reeves had some nice plays today but I can't help but notice that he is a ball watcher on alot of plays. Simply watches the ball rather than making a play on it. Can't complain too much, he made as many plays as he gave up.

Ball watcher??? Are you talking about the same CB? If it's one thing that Reeves is not, is a ball watcher. Harcore Texan and I were talking about how this was the first time we actually saw him even try to find the ball. On the deep ball Edwards caught, he didn't check up for the ball, but he was definitly looking back for it, something I haven't seen him do all season. He's been in a WR grill a number of times and had a ball be caught under his arm, or behind his head becuase he had no clue where the ball was... but to day, that changed a little.

Yes a player can be taught how to use his natural abilities. Reeves' knock has always been that he could cover, but couldn't find the ball...if someone could help him figure that out, they would have a CB. The Cowgirls couldn't get it done and we picked him up...I gagged, becuase there was no one in the league that seemed to get burned more than Reeves, and I gave my Cowgirl friends hell for it...then we pick him up???? He's been as useful as tits on a bull so far this season, but had an ok game today.

Carr Bombed
11-23-2008, 11:10 PM
Look at this article I found just by typing "Jacques Reeves sucks" into a search engine....

If you were a Cowboys fan watching the whole year then you saw that while Reeves played well at the beginning, he was targeted over and over again successfully by opposing offenses as the season wore on. When the Cowboys were desperate for a stop, Reeves was always guilty of giving up the third down conversion. It was frustrating to watch him line up 10 yards off the ball on a third and six and give up the easy come back or slant pass. And the 46 second touchdown drive by New York in the playoff game was a perfect example of Reeves' shortcomings as a corner and how an offense can exploit him.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2008/3/8/201047/9579

Now ask yourself if you've seen that before :rolleyes:

IMA TEXAN
11-24-2008, 06:50 AM
He had a pretty good day, a forced fumble to start the day, an INT, a TD broken up in the end zone.

But let me guess, the only thing that will be brought up is the one long toss play.

It was a solid showing by our secondary today.

Credit where credit is due, his stat sheet shows a forced fumble and an INT. But watch the replay. He hit Lewis - ball still firmly in place. Weaver hit Lewis and caused the Sage - err - fumble. The stat people gave Reeves credit for Weaver's forced fumble.

Also look at the INT. He didn't have great position and make the Sage - err - interception. The receiver dropped the ball on his own with no help from Reeves. As the ball was falling to the ground Reeves said "hey lookie!" and jumped under the ball and caught it just before it hit the ground. So good catch - not good defense.

He did break up the one pass in the endzone. But let's face facts. Our best defensive back was Braylon Edwards.

HJam72
11-24-2008, 07:45 AM
If Reeves was a receiver, he'd be wide open deep a lot and the ball would hit him in the back....a lot.

TimeKiller
11-24-2008, 07:55 AM
He might make a play now and again but he's the target, so every now and then isn't enough.

b0ng
11-24-2008, 11:51 AM
He had a pretty good day, a forced fumble to start the day, an INT, a TD broken up in the end zone.

But let me guess, the only thing that will be brought up is the one long toss play.

It was a solid showing by our secondary today.

I have a problem with this. On the replay of that particular instance he did not even put a hand in Braylons face. It was literally a swipe at the ball that was about 3 inches too short, so basically he wiffed. Braylon Edwards broke up that pass play in the endzone as well as plenty of 1st down that the Browns could've used.

bigbrewster2000
11-24-2008, 11:57 AM
Yep, that Reeves guy really does suck. If he hadnt gotten lucky on a few plays this year there would be no chance that this sarcastic thread would ever had been made.

I dont see him really getting any better than he is either becuase he has about the worst ball skills of any pro CB that I have ever seen. It sucks because he is a complete waste of coverage skills.

Mr teX
11-24-2008, 12:55 PM
Yep, that Reeves guy really does suck. If he hadnt gotten lucky on a few plays this year there would be no chance that this sarcastic thread would ever had been made.

I dont see him really getting any better than he is either becuase he has about the worst ball skills of any pro CB that I have ever seen. It sucks because he is a complete waste of coverage skills.

naw..Faggins has him beat in that category...

Vinnie
11-24-2008, 01:06 PM
Ball watcher??? Are you talking about the same CB? If it's one thing that Reeves is not, is a ball watcher.

Au contraire mon fraire! If you look close you can see the tiny rear view mirrors they put on his helmet that LZ has been talking about.

El Tejano
11-24-2008, 01:40 PM
If Reeves was a receiver, he'd be wide open deep a lot and the ball would hit him in the back....a lot.

I cannot enjoy my pumpkin pie because I practically choke on it from laughing so hard after reading comments like this.

scourge
11-24-2008, 01:40 PM
Reeves is still the 3rd best cb on this team behind Robinson and Bennett. Yeah, Bennett is not having so great a year, but he's still better than Buchanon 2.0.

And saying Reeves is better than Faggins is like saying CC Brown was better than Matt Stevens... who cares?

mexican_texan
11-24-2008, 02:00 PM
Molden played well...I'm not sure he's not better than Reeves

PapaL
11-24-2008, 06:37 PM
You know who would be a decent CB?

Braylon Edwards.

Who has broken up more passes than Braylon?

I say we trade Reeves for Edwards and make him a CB.

After all, aren't CBs WRs that can't catch?

Food for thought...hahahaha

hookinreds
11-24-2008, 06:47 PM
Au contraire mon fraire! If you look close you can see the tiny rear view mirrors they put on his helmet that LZ has been talking about.

"Balls are closer to your receivers hands than they appear"

hookinreds
11-24-2008, 06:48 PM
You know who would be a decent CB?

Braylon Edwards.

Who has broken up more passes than Braylon?

I say we trade Reeves for Edwards and make him a CB.

After all, aren't CBs WRs that can't catch?

Food for thought...hahahaha

That's hillarious!

Hardcore Texan
11-24-2008, 06:49 PM
Ball watcher??? Are you talking about the same CB? If it's one thing that Reeves is not, is a ball watcher. Harcore Texan and I were talking about how this was the first time we actually saw him even try to find the ball. On the deep ball Edwards caught, he didn't check up for the ball, but he was definitly looking back for it, something I haven't seen him do all season. He's been in a WR grill a number of times and had a ball be caught under his arm, or behind his head becuase he had no clue where the ball was... but to day, that changed a little.

Yes a player can be taught how to use his natural abilities. Reeves' knock has always been that he could cover, but couldn't find the ball...if someone could help him figure that out, they would have a CB. The Cowgirls couldn't get it done and we picked him up...I gagged, becuase there was no one in the league that seemed to get burned more than Reeves, and I gave my Cowgirl friends hell for it...then we pick him up???? He's been as useful as tits on a bull so far this season, but had an ok game today.


Word.

Wolf
11-24-2008, 06:55 PM
"Balls are closer to your receivers hands than they appear"

I am sure this was a quote and we need a link

.was it hobie,Blazing Arrow or VY that stated that first:hobie:

:tease:

TEXANRED
11-24-2008, 07:28 PM
Look at this article I found just by typing "Jacques Reeves sucks" into a search engine....



http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2008/3/8/201047/9579

Now ask yourself if you've seen that before :rolleyes:

So I make a comment about some being closet Boy fans and you say you take offense to that when I was not even referencing you. Then you go off and quote a comment from a Cowboy page.

Maybe my theory is correct. Especially sense that does not sound like Reeves at all in our system. He has pretty much stuck to the guys hip.

I will be the first to admit that he has a problem running and looking for the ball. This was the first game in which he was doing that. Which is a good thing. It means that he cares about his game and is working to improve it.

As much as you guys bust on Reeves for Edwards dropping the ball and making him look good I haven't read one thing about how DRob fell down, again, and the only reason his receiver didn't score was that he dropped the ball.

No ones game is perfect, but Reeves is a good, solid player.

I just don't see the reason for all the hating.

Carr Bombed
11-25-2008, 12:50 PM
So I make a comment about some being closet Boy fans and you say you take offense to that when I was not even referencing you. Then you go off and quote a comment from a Cowboy page.

Maybe my theory is correct. Especially sense that does not sound like Reeves at all in our system. He has pretty much stuck to the guys hip.

I will be the first to admit that he has a problem running and looking for the ball. This was the first game in which he was doing that. Which is a good thing. It means that he cares about his game and is working to improve it.

As much as you guys bust on Reeves for Edwards dropping the ball and making him look good I haven't read one thing about how DRob fell down, again, and the only reason his receiver didn't score was that he dropped the ball.

No ones game is perfect, but Reeves is a good, solid player.

I just don't see the reason for all the hating.

No your theory is not correct......I know it's the popular thing to "hate the cowboys" around here (and I hate that team too), but I don't personally hate their fans or discredit what they have to say about their own players, that's just dumb.

They know their team and Jacques Reeves better than anyone, we might as well listen to what they have to say. To ignore them would be like all the delusional Panther fans that ignored us and just tried to stay in denial when we all tried to warn them about the suckage that was David Carr......but like us with Jacques Reeves, they eventually found out for themselves. I also don't understand this "he didn't fit their system" stuff.......because the discription in that article of him is the same exact same crap he's doing here.....I guess he doesn't fit this system either. That argument is actually very funny to me, because that's exactly what Panther fans were saying about David Carr..."Carr didn't stand a chance in Houston, he didn't fit Kubiak's system...yada yada yada :rolleyes:

I also don't understand why or how you can justify Reeves' poor play, by trying to compare him to a player that's coming off a severe career threatening injury, who just now get reinserted back into the starting lineup....that doesn't even make sense. Robinson ripped up his knee and tore his hammy completely off the bone last year (and he's still better than Jacques).....what's Reeves excuse?

TEXANRED
11-25-2008, 02:19 PM
No your theory is not correct......I know it's the popular thing to "hate the cowboys" around here (and I hate that team too), but I don't personally hate their fans or discredit what they have to say about their own players, that's just dumb.

They know their team and Jacques Reeves better than anyone, we might as well listen to what they have to say. To ignore them would be like all the delusional Panther fans that ignored us and just tried to stay in denial when we all tried to warn them about the suckage that was David Carr......but like us with Jacques Reeves, they eventually found out for themselves. I also don't understand this "he didn't fit their system" stuff.......because the discription in that article of him is the same exact same crap he's doing here.....I guess he doesn't fit this system either. That argument is actually very funny to me, because that's exactly what Panther fans were saying about David Carr..."Carr didn't stand a chance in Houston, he didn't fit Kubiak's system...yada yada yada :rolleyes:

Reeves has played much better in our system than in Dallas'. Thats undeniable. I am not saying that he has played mistake free but he is a solid #2 CB. Reeves could be a starter on 30 other teams in this league.

He is tough, he is fast, he plays physical, and he makes plays on the ball. What more do you want?

I also don't understand why or how you can justify Reeves' poor play, by trying to compare him to a player that's coming off a severe career threatening injury, who just now get reinserted back into the starting lineup....that doesn't even make sense. Robinson ripped up his knee and tore his hammy completely off the bone last year (and he's still better than Jacques).....what's Reeves excuse?

Falling down is nothing new for DRob. The man has been getting tripped up on his own shadow from day one. Doesnt make him a bad player, just means that he has a hole in his game.

DRob has made just as many bone headed bad plays that Reeves has. The freshest one is last years Titan game when he gave up the long pass that set up the Titans winning field goal with second left.

It happens. But what makes Reeves and DRob good CB's is that abililty to bounce back and atone for there mistakes. That is something that Bennett and Faggins lack in there game. They get beat and then sulk. Like a pitcher in baseball, a CB must have a short memory as well.

Hell, I have watched Samuels get burned many times this year for the Eagles but I would still have him on our team.

mussop
11-25-2008, 03:03 PM
Reeves has played much better in our system than in Dallas'. Thats undeniable. I am not saying that he has played mistake free but he is a solid #2 CB. Reeves could be a starter on 30 other teams in this league.

He is tough, he is fast, he plays physical, and he makes plays on the ball. What more do you want?



Falling down is nothing new for DRob. The man has been getting tripped up on his own shadow from day one. Doesnt make him a bad player, just means that he has a hole in his game.

DRob has made just as many bone headed bad plays that Reeves has. The freshest one is last years Titan game when he gave up the long pass that set up the Titans winning field goal with second left.

It happens. But what makes Reeves and DRob good CB's is that abililty to bounce back and atone for there mistakes. That is something that Bennett and Faggins lack in there game. They get beat and then sulk. Like a pitcher in baseball, a CB must have a short memory as well.

Hell, I have watched Samuels get burned many times this year for the Eagles but I would still have him on our team.

All I can say is WOW! Do you drink alot when you watch the games?

powerfuldragon
11-25-2008, 04:17 PM
All I can say is WOW! Do you drink alot when you watch the games?

who doesn't? it's the texans for crying out loud.

Carr Bombed
11-25-2008, 04:34 PM
Reeves has played much better in our system than in Dallas'. Thats undeniable. I am not saying that he has played mistake free but he is a solid #2 CB. Reeves could be a starter on 30 other teams in this league.

He is tough, he is fast, he plays physical, and he makes plays on the ball. What more do you want?



Falling down is nothing new for DRob. The man has been getting tripped up on his own shadow from day one. Doesnt make him a bad player, just means that he has a hole in his game.

DRob has made just as many bone headed bad plays that Reeves has. The freshest one is last years Titan game when he gave up the long pass that set up the Titans winning field goal with second left.

It happens. But what makes Reeves and DRob good CB's is that abililty to bounce back and atone for there mistakes. That is something that Bennett and Faggins lack in there game. They get beat and then sulk. Like a pitcher in baseball, a CB must have a short memory as well.

Hell, I have watched Samuels get burned many times this year for the Eagles but I would still have him on our team.

First of all......Reeves hasn't played any better here than he did in Dallas, he's the same player. As far as being "tough, fast, and makes plays on the ball"

He's fast, is a decent tackler, and makes no play on the ball (that's his whole problem) In other words he's a more athletic Faggins.

As far as "Dunta falling down his whole career" that is a complete farce and completely untrue......Dunta at 85% (where is probably where he's at right now) is 2x the corner that Reeves is. Remind me again...who was the corner the Browns were picking on.....they barely even threw at Dunta. Hell if Dunta didn't even get hurt Reeves wouldn't even be here.

As far as that "catch that Dunta gave up", that was a perfect throw down field by Collins which is hard to stop, but none the less that was about one of the very very few bad plays Dunta made last season...he was breaking up passes left and right before he got hurt. As far as "boneheaded plays made", Jacques Reeves has made more boneheaded plays this season alone than Dunta has probably made in his entire career.....Reeves is the "human first down marker".

I also wouldn't bag on Bennett too much, because even Bennett as a rookie was twice the corner that Reeves has been this season which is why it's rediculous you're trying to compare Reeves to Asante Samuels.

Again like I said earlier in this thread.....if Reeves was as good as you say he is, teams wouldn't target him on almost every passing play. There's periods during a game where he's taken to the woodshed and beaten left and right (see colts game and Vikings game....hell the majority of games).

Reeves is the kind of corner that can only start on a handful of teams and the sad thing is with the uncertainty we had with Dunta's injury during the offseason this was one of them. He was nothing, but a desperate signing and if this team wants to be a future playoff team he will not be part of their future plans.....alteast not in the starting rotation. In a ideal situation Reeves is nothing, but a nickel back/pinch starter...that's it. He's not a every down caliber starting corner back, just because he gets paid like one, that still doesn't make him one.

TexansSeminole
11-25-2008, 04:52 PM
I agree completely with Carr Bombed's post above.

TEXANRED
11-25-2008, 05:09 PM
First of all......Reeves hasn't played any better here than he did in Dallas, he's the same player. As far as being "tough, fast, and makes plays on the ball"

He's fast, is a decent tackler, and makes no play on the ball (that's his whole problem) In other words he's a more athletic Faggins.

As far as "Dunta falling down his whole career" that is a complete farce and completely untrue......Dunta at 85% (where is probably where he's at right now) is 2x the corner that Reeves is. Remind me again...who was the corner the Browns were picking on.....they barely even threw at Dunta. Hell if Dunta didn't even get hurt Reeves wouldn't even be here.

As far as that "catch that Dunta gave up", that was a perfect throw down field by Collins which is hard to stop, but none the less that was about one of the very very few bad plays Dunta made last season...he was breaking up passes left and right before he got hurt. As far as "boneheaded plays made", Jacques Reeves has made more boneheaded plays this season alone than Dunta has probably made in his entire career.....Reeves in the "human first down marker".

I also wouldn't bag on Bennett too much, because even Bennett as a rookie was twice the corner that Reeves has been this season which is why it's rediculous you're trying to compare Reeves to Asante Samuels.

Again like I said earlier in this thread.....if Reeves was as good as you say he is, teams wouldn't target him on almost every passing play. There's periods during a game where he's taken to the woodshed and beaten left and right (see colts game and Vikings game....hell the majority of games).

Reeves is the kind of corner that can only start on a handful of teams and the sad thing is with the uncertainty we had with Dunta's injury during the offseason this was one of them. He was nothing, but a desperate signing and if this team wants to be a future playoff team he will not be part of their future plans.....alteast not in the starting rotation. In a ideal situation, Reeves is nothing, but a nickel back/pinch starter...that's it. He's not a every down caliber starting corner back, just because he gets paid like one, that still doesn't make him one.

Its crazy to think ones love or hate of a player can change the perception of a players performance. Meaning, DRob has always fallen down, jumped the wrong route, or been caught out of position. Always. He was having an above average season when he got hurt but before that he still gave up plays. Now he would hit the snot out of the receiver when he caught the ball, but they still caught the ball.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on both Bennett and Reeves cus any guy who can't beet out Faggins for a starting spot is nothing more than hot garbage. Bennett had one half season that was good but hasn't done anything before or since.

HJam72
11-25-2008, 05:22 PM
Am I the only Texans fan that would cream my pants if we took a corner in the first round (assuming there is one worth something close to whatever pick we use)? I HATE not having a good secondary.

Polo
11-25-2008, 07:00 PM
LOL@ Reeves being "physical"...

I've seen him get bumped around more than a prostitute on Friday night...

mexican_texan
11-25-2008, 07:07 PM
I noticed on one of his interceptions that he just got lucky...he got beat and the WR let the ball go through his hands into Reeves'

Nawzer
11-25-2008, 07:35 PM
Both Jacques Reeves and Keanu Reeves suck. :thumbdown

TEXANRED
11-25-2008, 08:10 PM
Both Jacques Reeves and Keanu Reeves suck. :thumbdown

Yet all he does is star in box office hits! Speed, Point Break, Bill and Ted, The Matrix, ect, ect, ect.

Nawzer
11-25-2008, 08:40 PM
LOL! Keanu scoring all those box office hits is like Jacques Reeves getting lucky with all those interceptions.:cool:

Carr Bombed
11-25-2008, 11:40 PM
Its crazy to think ones love or hate of a player can change the perception of a players performance. Meaning, DRob has always fallen down, jumped the wrong route, or been caught out of position. Always. He was having an above average season when he got hurt but before that he still gave up plays. Now he would hit the snot out of the receiver when he caught the ball, but they still caught the ball.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on both Bennett and Reeves cus any guy who can't beet out Faggins for a starting spot is nothing more than hot garbage. Bennett had one half season that was good but hasn't done anything before or since.

First of all I don't "love or hate" any player...I either like or dislike their play on the field and the only one with a tilted perception is you, because you honestly in your heart think that Reeves is a solid corner and starter worthy in this league.

Also what's funny is how you try to bash Dunta's play and knock him down to Reeves level just to justify Reeves play on the field. Jacques Reeves is NOT Dunta. Dunta (when healthy) is a starting caliber corner in this league...Reeves is not. Dunta didn't get singled out and picked on every week last year...(Hell he didn't even get singled out last week when teams new it was his first time back starting)....Reeves does. Dunta doesn't fall down while he covers receivers either. It probably happened one time and then your going to throw out the.......Dunta always falls down crap.

People knock Dunta, because he's not a big INT guy....never really has been, but last year before he got hurt he stepped up his play and was shutting receivers down....he was actually in position, saw the ball, and knocked the ball away. It got to the point where teams stopped challenging Robinson. This was the whole reason why Faggins got expossed last season, teams didn't have much success going at Dunta then everybody started throwing to Petey's side of the field and he couldn't stop anything.....he was being picked on. Guess what, Jacques Reeves is this year's Petey. He's not Dunta, doesn't even compare to Dunta, and I'll take a gimpy legged Dunta over the "Human first down marker".

TEXANRED
11-26-2008, 06:51 AM
First of all I don't "love or hate" any player...I either like or dislike their play on the field and the only one with a tilted perception is you, because you honestly in your heart think that Reeves is a solid corner and starter worthy in this league.

Also what's funny is how you try to bash Dunta's play and knock him down to Reeves level just to justify Reeves play on the field. Jacques Reeves is NOT Dunta. Dunta (when healthy) is a starting caliber corner in this league...Reeves is not. Dunta didn't get singled out and picked on every week last year...(Hell he didn't even get singled out last week when teams new it was his first time back starting)....Reeves does. Dunta doesn't fall down while he covers receivers either. It probably happened one time and then your going to throw out the.......Dunta always falls down crap.

People knock Dunta, because he's not a big INT guy....never really has been, but last year before he got hurt he stepped up his play and was shutting receivers down....he was actually in position, saw the ball, and knocked the ball away. It got to the point where teams stopped challenging Robinson. This was the whole reason why Faggins got expossed last season, teams didn't have much success going at Dunta then everybody started throwing to Petey's side of the field and he couldn't stop anything.....he was being picked on. Guess what, Jacques Reeves is this year's Petey. He's not Dunta, doesn't even compare to Dunta, and I'll take a gimpy legged Dunta over the "Human first down marker".

The funny thing about the Texans with Reeves is that right now the Texans are 13th in the league in pass defense. Last year the Cowboys finished 13th in pass defense. The previous years with DRob teamed up with everyone from Glen to Faggins has finished 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 25th in pass defense.

Am I saying that Reeves is better than DRob? No. Am I saying that a secondary with DRob and Reeves is a strong starting line up? Yes I am.

Last week was the first week in which DRob started and got paired with Reeves and we gave up 6 points.

bigbrewster2000
11-26-2008, 08:42 AM
The funny thing about the Texans with Reeves is that right now the Texans are 13th in the league in pass defense. Last year the Cowboys finished 13th in pass defense. The previous years with DRob teamed up with everyone from Glen to Faggins has finished 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 25th in pass defense.

Am I saying that Reeves is better than DRob? No. Am I saying that a secondary with DRob and Reeves is a strong starting line up? Yes I am.

Last week was the first week in which DRob started and got paired with Reeves and we gave up 6 points.

Oh please, that was about 55% due to inept QB play, 30% Braylon Edwards dropping passes, 13% presssure and 2% CB play. That argument is totally weak sauce, and you darn well know it. Only one of Edwards drops had anything to do with Reeves coverage, and with the way Edwards was playing that game Im not so sure he would have come down with it anyway.

The fact about Reeves is that he is better than Faggins in probably all aspects of the game except his ball skills. When he is locked on a receiver, he never turns around. There is no denying that he is a liability in deep coverage because of this. He also has serious issues recognizing the slant. He is caught out of position 99% of the time.

I will say this, I want to see Bennett for the majority of the game on Monday night because I have a feeling with him and Dunta we will see even less passing production from the Jags than we saw from the Browns with those two in the game.

Goatcheese
11-26-2008, 08:44 AM
The funny thing about the Texans with Reeves is that right now the Texans are 13th in the league in pass defense. Last year the Cowboys finished 13th in pass defense. The previous years with DRob teamed up with everyone from Glen to Faggins has finished 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 25th in pass defense.

Am I saying that Reeves is better than DRob? No. Am I saying that a secondary with DRob and Reeves is a strong starting line up? Yes I am.

Last week was the first week in which DRob started and got paired with Reeves and we gave up 6 points.

Edwards got seperation from Reeves all day, and then promptly dropped another 10 points minimum.

It's the same reason the Texans D only gave up field goals in the first half vs the Colts. Unforced drops. They caught those passes in the second half and scored at will.

Don't mistake your opponent playing poorly, for your defense playing well.

Reeves should be moved to the nickel and never cover a #1 reciever again.

:survivor:

HOU-TEX
11-26-2008, 08:54 AM
Edwards got seperation from Reeves all day, and then promptly dropped another 10 points minimum.

It's the same reason the Texans D only gave up field goals in the first half vs the Colts. Unforced drops. They caught those passes in the second half and scored at will.

Don't mistake your opponent playing poorly, for your defense playing well.

Reeves should be moved to the nickel and never cover a #1 reciever again.

:survivor:

I agree with your point overall, but have to point out that Reeves was in position to defend on most if not all his targets. He just hardly ever finds the ball and when he does his body is so contorted he falls down.

If we could build a player by combining the talents of Bennett and Reeves, he'd be unstoppable. Reeves has the speed to hang with darn near any WR and Bennett has the ball skills while lacking real speed.

It's in the past and we got a 'W', but the Browns offense was our best defense. :)

The1ApplePie
11-26-2008, 09:10 AM
Both Jacques Reeves and Keanu Reeves suck. :thumbdown

If we sign Keanu Reeves he will be the best QB on the roster.

I remember the Ravens wanted him as their backup QB while he was filming the Replacements (seriously)

bigbrewster2000
11-26-2008, 09:15 AM
I agree with your point overall, but have to point out that Reeves was in position to defend on most if not all his targets. He just hardly ever finds the ball and when he does his body is so contorted he falls down.

If we could build a player by combining the talents of Bennett and Reeves, he'd be unstoppable. Reeves has the speed to hang with darn near any WR and Bennett has the ball skills while lacking real speed.

It's in the past and we got a 'W', but the Browns offense was our best defense. :)

Like I said in my post above. On deep routes downfield Reeves sticks on his guys like glue but thats all for not when you dont turn around. He doesnt look good however when covering slants, in fact he looks terrible.

Bennett while not having Reeves speed doe have very good recovery speed and with the exception of the very fastest guys in the league can stick with them. IMO Bennett does need to be more consistent but he should be getting the majority of the plays at CB#2 for the rest of the season to find that consistency. He is our future.

mussop
11-26-2008, 09:16 AM
The funny thing about the Texans with Reeves is that right now the Texans are 13th in the league in pass defense. Last year the Cowboys finished 13th in pass defense. The previous years with DRob teamed up with everyone from Glen to Faggins has finished 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 25th in pass defense.

Am I saying that Reeves is better than DRob? No. Am I saying that a secondary with DRob and Reeves is a strong starting line up? Yes I am.

Last week was the first week in which DRob started and got paired with Reeves and we gave up 6 points.


I used to feel the same way about Chriss Dishman in his first year as you feel about Reeves. And I want to feel that way about Reeves too, but I cant. Dishman would give up big plays just like Reeves but then he would turn right around and make a big play himself and when ever the ball was thrown at him you new there was a chance for a game breaking play. I dont get that feeling at all with Reeves. He looks lost too much and just doesnt attack the ball. There is too many times in a game where i go, who the F was that and it turns out to be him. Even when he makes a good play its not like he jumped a route or (once again) attacked the ball. He doesnt create turnovers he just happens to have some fall his way. Its more like he is the fortunate benificiery of other teams misshaps mostly because he is such a target of the Offense. He seems to make more bad plays than he does good plays in every game I watch. I just dont see him getting any better than he is right now and that worrys me. I hope Im wrong and youre right and he turns out to be our Dishman.

infantrycak
11-26-2008, 09:49 AM
Only one of Edwards drops had anything to do with Reeves coverage

By definition, if the CB had anything to do with the incomplete pass it is a pass defensed not a drop.

TEXANRED
11-26-2008, 02:13 PM
I used to feel the same way about Chriss Dishman in his first year as you feel about Reeves. And I want to feel that way about Reeves too, but I cant. Dishman would give up big plays just like Reeves but then he would turn right around and make a big play himself and when ever the ball was thrown at him you new there was a chance for a game breaking play. I dont get that feeling at all with Reeves. He looks lost too much and just doesnt attack the ball. There is too many times in a game where i go, who the F was that and it turns out to be him. Even when he makes a good play its not like he jumped a route or (once again) attacked the ball. He doesnt create turnovers he just happens to have some fall his way. Its more like he is the fortunate benificiery of other teams misshaps mostly because he is such a target of the Offense. He seems to make more bad plays than he does good plays in every game I watch. I just dont see him getting any better than he is right now and that worrys me. I hope Im wrong and youre right and he turns out to be our Dishman.

Dishman is exactly the guy that he reminds me of. In fact I was just talking to my friend the other day about that. Only Reeves didn't give up 3 TD's to the Bengals the way Dish did.

There is a lot of upside to Reeves. He plays with a swagger. I like his attitude. Sue me. This is the best our secondary has looked since Aaron Glen was playing here opposite Marcus Coleman.

hookinreds
11-26-2008, 06:55 PM
Dishman would be a pretty good comparison indeed. He was pretty frustrating to watch. You'd be in the middle of cursing him out and then he'd make some sick game changing play for us.