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Wolf
11-23-2008, 10:55 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Ard9OCcDJc7gYbhaydBNv9kcvrYF?slug=dw-oklahoma112308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


NORMAN, Okla. – College football’s leadership has hatched plenty of harebrained ideas in its annual quest to ruin the national championship chase.

The one that promises to derail the season of either Oklahoma or Texas, which, you might recall, actually beat the Sooners last month, might be the most bizarre

The Big 12 South champion could be determined by a poll of faceless, feckless and too often partisan voters far from these windswept plains.

Only a sport with such a profound lack of leadership, in this case Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, could descend into a cross between figure skating and “American Idol.”

The Big 12 failed to come up with enough of its own criteria for breaking a three-way tie at the top of the standings, as Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech could produce. Instead it was willing to punt to the computers and voters who determine the BCS rankings. Whatever team is ranked highest wins the division.

Among the problems: Few of the coaches who vote in the coaches’ poll have seen anything but snippets of play from the league. They are no better than the 114 politically connected folks of various qualifications and attention spans who make up the Harris Poll. Combined, the two polls count for two-thirds of the rankings.

Each voter has personal biases, constituents to answer to and self-interests.

Since the BCS has no set standards for ranking teams, just about anything can be taken into consideration.

Should Texas get the nod because it beat Oklahoma? Should it be Oklahoma because it put together the most impressive performance of the season in blasting Tech 65-21? Should Tech be considered because a voter likes its coach?

How about strength of schedule? Or margin of victory? Coolest mascot? Color scheme? Does it matter who’s played the most recent TV game?

nero THE zero
11-23-2008, 03:05 PM
Oklahoma's a better team than Texas so whatever method is used to come to that conclusion will suffice, IMO.

bah007
11-23-2008, 03:08 PM
Oklahoma's a better team than Texas so whatever method is used to come to that conclusion will suffice, IMO.

LOL.

If it was that simple then OU would have beat UT on a neutral field.

run-david-run
11-24-2008, 10:20 AM
Oklahoma's a better team than Texas so whatever method is used to come to that conclusion will suffice, IMO.

How about head-to-head?

Blake
11-24-2008, 11:00 AM
This makes me sick. But I think the only fair way to decide who should go if it comes down to Texas and OU is the winner of the only head to head game, and that's Texas. Unless you win 1 more game than me, you shouldn't get the nod over me if I beat you. Its really that simple.

It shouldnt matter that you beat a team 65-0. Mack isnt that kind of a coach. The kind that runs up the score. He just wins, and gets winners to play at Texas.

bah007
11-24-2008, 11:20 AM
This makes me sick. But I think the only fair way to decide who should go if it comes down to Texas and OU is the winner of the only head to head game, and that's Texas. Unless you win 1 more game than me, you shouldn't get the nod over me if I beat you. Its really that simple.

It shouldnt matter that you beat a team 65-0. Mack isnt that kind of a coach. The kind that runs up the score. He just wins, and gets winners to play at Texas.

I want to agree with you, but it is a THREE WAY tie.

If it was a two way tie then Texas undoubtedly wins it.

But Texas Tech still has the same record as the other two, so they are still in the conversion whether they have a real shot or not.

Blake
11-24-2008, 11:28 AM
I want to agree with you, but it is a THREE WAY tie.

If it was a two way tie then Texas undoubtedly wins it.

But Texas Tech still has the same record as the other two, so they are still in the conversion whether they have a real shot or not.

I stated that if it comes down to OU and Texas, removing Tech from the equation.

bah007
11-24-2008, 11:29 AM
I stated that if it comes down to OU and Texas, removing Tech from the equation.

So if Tech loses to Baylor?

jaayteetx
11-24-2008, 12:27 PM
So if Tech loses to Baylor?

Exactly, to all those who say OU is better than Texas, what if that happens? Is OU now not a better team than Texas just because Tech loses to Baylor? Its a screwed up situation, but everybody knows its basically a two team race and who beat who between those two teams?

bah007
11-24-2008, 01:15 PM
Exactly, to all those who say OU is better than Texas, what if that happens? Is OU now not a better team than Texas just because Tech loses to Baylor? Its a screwed up situation, but everybody knows its basically a two team race and who beat who between those two teams?

I think Texas and OU are both better than Tech.

But I don't think that eliminates Tech from the discussion. They did beat us after all, even if it was on the last play of the game, they still won.

I want Texas to be in the NC Game, and I don't care how we get there.

But let's be realistic. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for us and we are looking at the Fiesta Bowl as worst case scenario.

bah007
11-24-2008, 01:49 PM
Well when you put it like that Mark Schlabach....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark1124

Make it happen voters.

Blake
11-24-2008, 02:15 PM
Well when you put it like that Mark Schlabach....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark1124

Make it happen voters.

Lets hope the people count the W as a W and don't let running up the score be apart of the voting process.

dc_txtech
11-24-2008, 02:31 PM
Lets hope the people count the W as a W and don't let running up the score be apart of the voting process.

Oklahoma didn't run up the score, they flat out beat the hell out of us. Plus you would have to be crazy not to score as many points as you can against Tech. I have seen them erase 28 point leads in less than a quarter.

TexanSam
11-24-2008, 02:44 PM
But let's be realistic. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for us and we are looking at the Fiesta Bowl as worst case scenario.

Not necessarily. If OU goes to the Big 12 championship and wins, they'll be in the BCS title game. Doesn't that mean Missouri gets to go to the Fiesta Bowl or does Texas get that spot?

bah007
11-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Not necessarily. If OU goes to the Big 12 championship and wins, they'll be in the BCS title game. Doesn't that mean Missouri gets to go to the Fiesta Bowl or does Texas get that spot?

Missouri earns nothing by losing the conference title game.

The highest ranked team would get the Fiesta regardless of division.

Blake
11-24-2008, 03:15 PM
Oklahoma didn't run up the score, they flat out beat the hell out of us. Plus you would have to be crazy not to score as many points as you can against Tech. I have seen them erase 28 point leads in less than a quarter.

I agree. Let me put this another way because I didn't mean they ran up the score in a disrespectful way. Lets hope they count the W as a W and not base this on who scores the most points.

bah007
11-24-2008, 03:15 PM
I've decided to crunch the numbers to see who has the best stats over the year. Stats don't tell the whole story, or even half of it, but they do give an indication of a whole season's worth of work instead of just the past few games.

First off, comparative strength of schedule:
Texas - #5 in the nation
Texas Tech - #19 in the nation
Oklahoma - #25 in the nation

All rankings are for the Big XII conference only.

Scoring Offense:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas Tech - 3rd
Texas - 4th

Total Offense:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas Tech - 2nd
Texas - 5th

Passing Efficiency:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas - 2nd
Texas Tech - 5th

Scoring Defense:
Texas - 1st
Oklahoma - 3rd
Texas Tech - 5th

Total Defense:
Texas - 1st
Oklahoma - 2nd
Texas Tech - 4th

Pass Efficiency Defense:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas - 2nd
Texas Tech - 4th

Turnover Margin:
Oklahoma - 1st
Texas Tech - 3rd
Texas - 6th



What it means:
I would give OU a big edge in offense over Texas, but Texas an edge over OU in defense.

None of the teams has played a pansy schedule, but Texas clearly has played the toughest.

Blake
11-24-2008, 03:16 PM
Missouri earns nothing by losing the conference title game.

The highest ranked team would get the Fiesta regardless of division.

IMO its NC or bust. Winning something is enough for some people, but it shouldnt be with this team.

bah007
11-24-2008, 03:19 PM
IMO its NC or bust. Winning something is enough for some people, but it shouldnt be with this team.

I'm not gonna disagree with that.

I'm just gonna ask, what were you expecting this season? I was expecting a 10 win season, finish 3rd in conference behind OU & Mizzou, and a Cotton Bowl victory.

So I may not be satisfied with the Fiesta Bowl, but I will damn sure be happy.

gwallaia
11-24-2008, 03:22 PM
Screw the BCS.

College football playoffs cannot get here soon enough.

bah007
11-24-2008, 03:24 PM
Screw the BCS.

College football playoffs cannot get here soon enough.

We're gonna have to wait at least another three years, I believe.

TexanSam
11-24-2008, 04:20 PM
Missouri earns nothing by losing the conference title game.

The highest ranked team would get the Fiesta regardless of division.

Ah ok. Thanks for the correction

Tailgate
11-24-2008, 08:35 PM
The SEC has it right imo...

The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or- fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game.

http://gamecocksonline.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110703aab.html

nero THE zero
11-25-2008, 08:21 AM
None of the teams has played a pansy schedule, but Texas clearly has played the toughest.
That'll even out when Texas plays A&M and OU plays OSU

bah007
11-25-2008, 09:58 AM
That'll even out when Texas plays A&M and OU plays OSU

No it won't.

Texas is the only one of the three that played Missouri so they will stay higher with strength of conference shedule.

Washington and Chatanooga are cancelling out Cincinnati and TCU for Oklahoma.

Texas Tech is playing Baylor so their's won't go up either.

Blake
11-25-2008, 10:38 AM
Can we just skip ahead to Sunday 2pm already? Waiting is the hardest part.

Also, lets hope Texas doesn't allow aTm to affect our BCS hopes and rips them a new one.

bah007
11-25-2008, 10:52 AM
Can we just skip ahead to Sunday 2pm already? Waiting is the hardest part.

Also, lets hope Texas doesn't allow aTm to affect our BCS hopes and rips them a new one.

We've been caught with our pants down already this season (Tech).

We usually reserve that for A&M, but since we already got it out of the way I think we blow them out.

With the bye week, I expect this to be kinda like the bowl game last year against Arizona St.

We should come in with an attitude and end this thing quickly.

Blake
11-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Does anyone think that we could keep the #2 spot if OU beats OkST by a small margin and the Longhorns beat the aggies by 35 which is the line?

Also, does anyone think the Baylor bears have a shot at knocking off the Red Raiders? I know it sounds silly, but stranger things have happened.

bah007
11-28-2008, 10:59 AM
Does anyone think that we could keep the #2 spot if OU beats OkST by a small margin and the Longhorns beat the aggies by 35 which is the line?

Also, does anyone think the Baylor bears have a shot at knocking off the Red Raiders? I know it sounds silly, but stranger things have happened.

Texas does have a shot to keep the #2 spot, it's just unlikely.

Baylor has a chance of winning because of their stud freshman QB Robert Griffin, but they probably won't. Tech will be very mad.

bah007
11-29-2008, 11:36 PM
Texas does have a shot to keep the #2 spot, it's just unlikely.

Baylor has a chance of winning because of their stud freshman QB Robert Griffin, but they probably won't. Tech will be very mad.

I guess I pretty much called it.

It is not going to be fun to play Baylor in three years when Griffin is a senior.

Yankee_In_TX
11-30-2008, 03:27 PM
Screw the BCS.

College football playoffs cannot get here soon enough.

2015, right? (I think that's when the new ESPN contract runs to).




I've been saying this in the BCS thread. I think essentially using a POLL to decide who wins your conference, and probably goes to a national championship, is crap.

awtysst
11-30-2008, 03:31 PM
I guess I pretty much called it.

It is not going to be fun to play Baylor in three years when Griffin is a senior.

If he sticks around that long. He might leave as a junior.

kastofsna
12-02-2008, 07:22 PM
I've been saying this in the BCS thread. I think essentially using a POLL to decide who wins your conference, and probably goes to a national championship, is crap.

yeah i'm all on this bandwagon now. way too many inherent biases and money and politicking and other factors that go into polling that it's pretty stupid to think that these games should be decided in such a prehistoric manner. not only that, but many voters have different methods of how they actually rank teams: some give importance to early season losses over late season, others prefer the other way around, etc. it's absurd and really dumb

bah007
12-02-2008, 09:17 PM
The only way I think this polling method will ever work consistently is if they define a criteria on how to rank the teams (is it the "hottest" team, the team with the best resume, the team you think would beat all the other teams) and make all the ballots public every single week.

Mr teX
12-03-2008, 08:51 AM
The only way I think this polling method will ever work consistently is if they define a criteria on how to rank the teams (is it the "hottest" team, the team with the best resume, the team you think would beat all the other teams) and make all the ballots public every single week.

what good would that do? everybody already knows these coaches don't have time to sit down & watch all these other games. All it would really do in the end is bring undo pressure on a coach who likely had 1 of his grad assistant cast the ballot for him.

bah007
12-03-2008, 09:40 AM
what good would that do? everybody already knows these coaches don't have time to sit down & watch all these other games. All it would really do in the end is bring undo pressure on a coach who likely had 1 of his grad assistant cast the ballot for him.

What if Mike Leach has OU #1 on his ballot right now and Texas #20? We don't know if he does because his ballot isn't public.

I'm sure you were kinda peeved that Texas actually caught up to OU in the final polls even though they beat A&M while OU beat a ranked team.

If the ballots were public then it would minimize the coaches voting with an agenda. Even though they don't watch all the games, there needs to be some accountability in the polls if they are going to keep shoving the BCS down our throats for 10 more years or so.

Wolf
12-03-2008, 10:41 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-texas-splittitle&prov=ap&type=lgns

NEW YORK (AP)—The best chance Texas has to be crowned national champion this season likely lies with the members of the media who vote in The Associated Press college football poll.

The Longhorns are the latest team to feel slighted by the Bowl Championship Series, though the twist this time was coach Mack Brown’s team has the Big 12 to blame as much as the BCS standings.

Oklahoma, which lost 45-35 to Texas in October, slipped ahead of the Longhorns in the latest BCS standings and earned a spot in the Big 12 title game against Missouri on Saturday.

The Big 12 had to go to its fifth tiebreaker, best BCS ranking, to break a three-way tie in its South Division between Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech. All had 11-1 records. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech and Texas Tech beat Texas.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe told ESPN.com on Tuesday that the conference will reassess the tiebreaker in the offseason.

“Any tiebreaker system is difficult and will leave teams disappointed,” he said. “When the tiebreaker was written I was not in the league but they wanted to put in the team that had the best chance to play in the national championship game.”

The tiebreaker not only put the Sooners in position to win the league championship, but a win against Missouri virtually guarantees Oklahoma a spot in the BCS national title game in Miami on Jan. 8 against the winner of the Southeastern Conference championship.

But Texas still has hope.


t least two voters, Craig James of ABC and Randy Rosetta of the Baton Rouge Advocate in Louisiana, said if Oklahoma and Texas each win their remaining games, they would keep the Longhorns in front of the Sooners because of what happened at the Cotton Bowl on Oct. 11.

“Sure OU will have beaten (Missouri), but so did Texas convincingly,” James said in an e-mail. “Then, both schools will have beaten strong competition in their bowl game. So, I can’t get past the head-to-head victory by the Longhorns. I don’t have to guess or assume anything.”

Glenn Guilbeau of the Gannett Louisiana News Service said he felt Texas deserved the nod over Oklahoma in the Big 12 tiebreaker, but he’d be inclined not to hold it against Oklahoma if the Sooners went on to beat Florida or Alabama.

“Two wrongs,” he said in an e-mail, “don’t make a right.”



well if it werent for the BsCS there would be nothing to talk about

powerfuldragon
12-03-2008, 10:45 AM
"A rank way to decide conference"
you're right, the bcs stinks.