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Wolf
11-22-2008, 02:23 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6126229.html

With three up, seven down and a miracle run away from anything meaningful this season, we’re allowed to spend some time talking about the Texans’ tomorrow.

Not just Sunday when they travel to Cleveland hoping to prove they still have a pulse (clear!), but the future, when they hope to be among the league’s best.

The Texans’ road to respectability is about to become more difficult.

A love affair cut short?

As unsure as we are of whether their current road map soon will get them out of mediocrity (if they are even there yet), we are just as sure that reaching said destination will be more difficult without Dunta Robinson on the roster.

Robinson is returning to the starting lineup for the first time since suffering a nasty injury in Oakland more than a year ago, but logic says he’ll be leaving the Texans after the season.

Texans fans have about six weeks to enjoy watching the toughest player to ever don the Deep Steel Blue and Battle Red.

His teammates love him.

The fans love him.

The Texans love him, and need him.
Importance undeniable

Wolf
11-22-2008, 02:27 PM
Another reason(besides the fact that he isn't very good as a DC) I hope the Texans bring in a new Defensive coordinator to give the defense a boost and the players (hopefully) some confidence in where this team is going in the future.

I feel the Texans cannot afford to lose D-Rob. I think I will be sick if he is gone and we are stuck with Reeves on one side of the field

Corrosion
11-22-2008, 02:28 PM
Ugh , I'd hate to think of having to fill the void left behind if he were to bolt .... this team has so many other needs in the draft it would likely set them back at least one and probably two more years.

Wolf
11-22-2008, 02:33 PM
Ugh , I'd hate to think of having to fill the void left behind if he were to bolt .... this team has so many other needs in the draft it would likely set them back at least one and probably two more years.

exactly, this is one loss I would really hate to see and I would get over it but I would be very disappointed that the Texans couldn't have locked him up

Carr Bombed
11-22-2008, 02:57 PM
This is only the beginning, if we don't start winning we're going to be losing alot more young talented players than just Dunta Robinson (frankly I was surprised AJ signed that long term contract with us)........just wait until it's time to sign the players of the 2006 draft class.

This is how franchises get into a decade long rut........teams develop a culture of losing in the lockerroom and the players that do actually give a crap about winning who where their emotions on their sleeve (like Dunta) bolt for greener pastures. Also after all this happens the only FAs you can bring to your team over overpriced nobodies or players that are clearly over the hill, but hey we're are already used to that.

Wolf
11-22-2008, 03:09 PM
This is only the beginning, if we don't start winning we're going to be losing alot more young talented players than just Dunta Robinson (frankly I was surprised AJ signed that long term contract with us)........just wait until it's time to sign the players of the 2006 draft class.

This is how franchises get into a decade long rut........teams develop a culture of losing in the lockerroom and the players that do actually give a crap about winning who where their emotions on their sleeve (like Dunta) bolt for greener pastures. Also after all this happens the only FAs you can bring to your team over overpriced nobodies or players that are clearly over the hill, but hey we're already used to that.

isn't that the truth, article like this makes me want to go to the Texans front office and say "hey, we need the turk and we need it now for a RS" ...

I want the Texans to win this sunday but if the Texans happen to lose, I almost hope that Cleveland would drop 40 on us

I have some faith that Kubiak would rethink things and find a Defensive coordinator quickly.. Longer they drag their feet, the faster D-rob is out the door and others (like CB mentioned)

imatexan
11-22-2008, 04:21 PM
I believe he wil be back, I have faith in him.

ATX
11-22-2008, 04:24 PM
Franchise him......can we do it and is it worth it?

Lucky
11-22-2008, 04:33 PM
Franchise him
I hope that the Texans can get Dunta signed long term before going the franchise tag route. Last year's franchise tender for CBs was $9.5 million. That would also be the cap hit the Texans would have to take on the contract.

The Texans project to be $29 million under the cap, according to Keith Weiland's cap page at inthebullseye.com (http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2009.html). So yeah, the Texans could afford to tag Dunta. But, you would hope the Texans could use some of that room to sign an impact defender, or two.

Hottoddie
11-22-2008, 04:53 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. As long as Dunta gets out there & plays close to the Dunta of old (so far, he has), & doesn't re-injure himself, the Texans will pony up the cash & not let him get away.

Besides, wouldn't he be a restricted FA?

Mr. White
11-22-2008, 05:07 PM
Nothing to get worried about yet. I hope you guys had a chance to look at the comments here. Our old pal aj weighs in the folowing.....


aj_texans wrote:

A few key details:
- Dunta has 6 games remaining. He has a lot to prove over those 6 games. If he comes out of it healthy (his knee still doesn't "feel right" if you read his quotes on ht.com) then the Texans can still franchise tag him if they want to keep him around.
- And no, teams don't usually extend players two years before their contracts expire so it was really bad luck for Dunta in terms of the timing of his injury
- The Texans have nothing tied up at corner - where are you getting this fugh? Please don't say Petey Reeves because his guaranteed money remaining is nothing by NFL CB standards. The Texans have nothing at CB - besides Dunta - and they better bring him back if his knee holds up over the next 6.
- Andre Johnson is wrapped up through 2014 so he's not going anywhere.
- As long as Solomon is talking hindsight, so can I. I'm pretty confident the Texans would have extended Dunta last off-season if he hadn't gotten hurt and made the Pro Bowl where he was headed. Solomon's attempt to further discredit the Texans front office isn't working in this case because they didn't screw up again. They aren't 'bad guys' for not extending Dunta two years ago. They have the power to retain him - it's called a franchise tag which brings with it the ability to negotiate a long term deal . And in this case it's also called a good business decision if he makes it through the next 6,

http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner

His column/blog with the Examiner is some pretty solid stuff.

Seems to me like Solomon might be carrying Dunta's water in a salary negotiation.

Corrosion
11-22-2008, 05:25 PM
Nothing to get worried about yet. I hope you guys had a chance to look at the comments here. Our old pal aj weighs in the folowing.....




His column/blog with the Examiner is some pretty solid stuff.

Seems to me like Solomon might be carrying Dunta's water in a salary negotiation.

Speaking of AJ , I havent seen him post here in quite a while , anyone keep in contact with him ? The guy always had good takes .... He's dead on with this one ....

ArlingtonTexan
11-22-2008, 05:40 PM
Speaking of AJ , I havent seen him post here in quite a while , anyone keep in contact with him ? The guy always had good takes .... He's dead on with this one ....

He posts regularly on the official board.

Corrosion
11-22-2008, 05:43 PM
He posts regularly on the official board.

I havent been to the "official board" in forever ..... just not the same quality .

Wolf
11-22-2008, 05:45 PM
this isn't the official board?
J/k I haven't been over there in a while

I haven't even lurked over there

Hervoyel
11-22-2008, 05:55 PM
Ugh , I'd hate to think of having to fill the void left behind if he were to bolt .... this team has so many other needs in the draft it would likely set them back at least one and probably two more years.

Yes, and there's not a doubt in my mind that the current coaching staff would throw it out there like it was the reason why Richard Smith was still behind the curve. The past two years they've given him a pass because of "the injuries" and because he had rookies in key roles. If Dunta leaves it will give that clown another season with a crutch when in fact he should have been gone a year ago at the latest.

False Start
11-22-2008, 06:44 PM
Wow, wanna talk about suck. That would be sh!tty if Dunta were to leave. To me, when I think about the Texans, Dunta is the first player that comes to mind. If he did leave I wouldn't hate him, I would like to see the guy at least get a whiff of what the playoffs are like. The thing that would really be crappy would be to see him wearing a Titans, Jags, or Colts jersey. Even then, I would still like him, but just not as much.

Corrosion
11-22-2008, 07:38 PM
Yes, and there's not a doubt in my mind that the current coaching staff would throw it out there like it was the reason why Richard Smith was still behind the curve. The past two years they've given him a pass because of "the injuries" and because he had rookies in key roles. If Dunta leaves it will give that clown another season with a crutch when in fact he should have been gone a year ago at the latest.

Yeah , thats possibly the worst possibility in this whole deal , not only could we lose DR but be stuck with Dick .... :gun:

steelbtexan
11-22-2008, 10:10 PM
I want to see DR play the next 6 weeks.

I would let him walk if he doesn't play well. Save the money & sign Gamble & McAlister.

They were both better cover CB's than DR even when he was healthy. IMO

Another plus is that McAlister has played in pro-bowls & has a super bowl ring.

steelbtexan
11-22-2008, 10:13 PM
Solomon carrying Duntas water sickens me.

Norg
11-22-2008, 10:47 PM
U know if he leaves i dont think it will be that big of a loss IMO he hasent been the same since coming back ...iam just speaking from what i have been seeing lately

a this may sound kinda mean but he is a little on the short side to be a CB aganist Tall WR ....

BSofA04
11-22-2008, 11:39 PM
You're going nowhere Dunta...........franchise him. No brainer. End of story.

HJam72
11-23-2008, 07:23 AM
U know if he leaves i dont think it will be that big of a loss IMO he hasent been the same since coming back ...iam just speaking from what i have been seeing lately

a this may sound kinda mean but he is a little on the short side to be a CB aganist Tall WR ....

Well, we just need to see how he plays toward the end of the season. He never was the best cover corner around, but he's one of the better half and he's a great player all around (if he comes back all the way).

mattieuk
11-23-2008, 07:56 AM
U know if he leaves i dont think it will be that big of a loss IMO he hasent been the same since coming back ...iam just speaking from what i have been seeing lately

a this may sound kinda mean but he is a little on the short side to be a CB aganist Tall WR ....

Man...he's only just come back from a year long layoff, give it a little bit of time! Considering the physical and mental ramifications of the injury, I think his results have been good so far since coming back into the team!

cuppacoffee
11-23-2008, 11:07 AM
This is only the beginning, if we don't start winning we're going to be losing alot more young talented players than just Dunta Robinson (frankly I was surprised AJ signed that long term contract with us)........just wait until it's time to sign the players of the 2006 draft class.

This is how franchises get into a decade long rut........teams develop a culture of losing in the lockerroom and the players that do actually give a crap about winning who where their emotions on their sleeve (like Dunta) bolt for greener pastures. Also after all this happens the only FAs you can bring to your team over overpriced nobodies or players that are clearly over the hill, but hey we're are already used to that.


Could be that players begin to use a built in excuse like:

"People don't realize the schedules you end up playing make you look worse or better than you really are."

Losers blame the schedule.

And

" I think it's just a situation where people don't like to see regression. Even if there's steady improvement and it's not as fast as everyone wants, it's better than rapid improvement with regression behind it."

Uh...we improved to 8-8 last season and regressed to 3-whatever this year. That's regression by anyones' definition.


( Eric Winston quoted in Manfulls column in Sundays Chronic.)


:coffee:

nunusguy
11-23-2008, 04:10 PM
If D-Rob gets a good deal from any team that's a real playoff contender, I can't imagine him staying here. I would hate to see him go, but I wouldn't blame him especially knowing how much he wants to win.
The Texans will eventually get into the playoffs but who knows when ?

mussop
11-23-2008, 08:14 PM
Soloman sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a misleading title.

The1ApplePie
11-23-2008, 08:41 PM
You're going nowhere Dunta...........franchise him. No brainer. End of story.

I don't see McNair ponying up top-5 CB money for a guy that will probably be a No. 2 CB for the rest of his career post-inury

Goldensilence
11-23-2008, 10:39 PM
I hope that Dunta would give the team an entire off season to retool before he bolted.

I think IF we fire Dick Smith, Sign one name FA to the defensive roster it would be enough to convince him to remain a Texan. If not they need to go out and sign a quality Corner. If the staff feels it is going to happen while we have the luxury we need to get more PT for Bennett and Molden ASAP.

TimeKiller
11-24-2008, 07:38 AM
If Dunta leaves it will be sad. Surely they are going to offer him a deal, hopefully not a huge deal though. I think it would be nice to not have to worry about long-term 5 or 6 year deals and just give him a 2 year deal, about 10 mil garaunteed. That way he has the last 2 years back, reprove what he needs to reprove as a player and the Texans have their best CB on the field hungry to demolish everything. After that, they can bank him or let him get his own.

nunusguy
11-29-2008, 12:12 PM
Poston said the contract makes Gamble one of the NFL's top five highest-paid cornerbacks, but wouldn't provide further financial information.
According to Denver television station KDVR (Fox 31), Gamble's deal could be worth as much as $54.55 million, with $23million in total guarantees, including $16million in guaranteed signing and roster bonuses.
That averages out to slightly more than $9million per year.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/423/story/383445.html
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The price of keeping D-Rob in Houston just got more expensive.

steelbtexan
11-29-2008, 12:31 PM
I wouldn't sign Dunta for anywhere close to that amount of money.

If your going to spend that kind of money use it as part of money that you offer Haynesworth & draft Jenkins or Davis in the 1st rd.

Silver Oak
11-29-2008, 02:02 PM
bottom line is Robinson was a very good player before his injury, but not a great one. hopefully he is realistic about his talents and doesn't order his agent to go for top tier money cause we shouldn't give it to him.

Goatcheese
11-29-2008, 03:22 PM
This is the type of contract I see D-Rob commanding:


Drayton Florence 3/1/2008: Signed a six-year, $36.1 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. 2008: $1 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2009: $1.5 million (+ $2.5 million roster bonus), 2010: $4.9 million, 2011-2013: $5.9 million, 2014: Free Agent


Dre' Bly 3/28/2007: Signed a five-year, $33 million contract. The deal includes $18 million in bonus money, but only $16 million is guaranteed. 2008: $1 million (+ $9 million prorated "signing" bonus), 2009-2010: $3.25 million, 2011: $4 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $4.55 million (2008).


Rashean Mathis 8/23/2005: Signed a five-year, $25.5 million contract extension through 2011. The deal includes $9.4 million in guarantees. 2008: $2.45 million, 2009: $3.45 million, 2010: $3.95 million, 2011: $4.45 million, 2012: Free Agent


Lito Sheppard 11/6/2004: Signed a five-year, $25 million contract extension through 2011. The deal included an $8.7 million signing bonus. 2008: $2 million (+ $1.45 million in bonuses), 2009: $3 million, 2010: $3.7 million, 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $3.45 million (2008).


Sheldon Brown 11/4/2004: Signed a six-year, $30 million contract extension through 2012. The deal included a $7.5 million signing bonus. 2008: $1.75 million, 2009: $2 million, 2010: $2.5 million, 2011: $3.5 million, 2012: $4.25 million, 2013: Free Agent


Samari Rolle 3/7/2005: Signed a six-year, $30.5 million contract. The deal included an $11 million signing bonus. 2008: $1.4 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2009: $4.1 million, 2010: $4.5 million, 2011: Free Agent


Al Harris 2/13/2007: Signed a five-year, $17.8 million contract. The deal includes an annual Pro Bowl incentive of $200,000. 2008: $2.85 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2009: $3 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2010: $2.5 million, 2011: $1.75 million, 2012: Free Agent

The contract they gave to Gamble was rediculous.

steelbtexan
11-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Goat

After seeing those contracts I would let Dunta walk & use the money I saved to sign Haynesworth or Gross & draft Jenkins or Davis in the 1st rd.

Hottoddie
11-29-2008, 07:17 PM
While it's not chump change, I could see 6 years @ $25-$30 million being a good deal for a player like Dunta. If he shows no residual signs of his injury the rest of the year, ~$4.5-$5 million a year is not bad for a #2 CB as good as he was prior to the injury. Most teams might be unwilling to pay that much for a player coming off a major injury, but us paying that much will go a long way towards showing him that we want him & it'll also show players around the league that the Texans take care of their players & don't just throw them away after an injury. From what I've seen so far, it looks like Dunta will have a long career & I want it to be right here.