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Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 12:43 PM
Hey, is VY available?

:stirpot

disaacks3
11-10-2008, 12:47 PM
Hey, is VY available?

:stirpot
Now, now...there's no reason to go jumping off THAT particular bridge.

(Besides, after hearing Sage's post-game "whine" yesterday, we only have room for ONE whiny QB at a time). Mr. "I can't do it all myself" better watch more tape of his interceptions before he starts laying blame at too many other doorsteps.

Norg
11-10-2008, 12:52 PM
I heard Jeff garcia is open in the OS

K Collins sad this was his last year

there will be many options imo after the year but knowing Kubes hes keeping ol MAtty

so we can stop talking about all this

OzzO
11-10-2008, 12:55 PM
Alright, since you started this thread - perhaps shoot up a poll 'cause I was thinking about this.... and not sure of the answer. Concerning the QB position and based off the WEALTH of knowledge we've acquired since the HWSNBM "led" the team... what would you do this offseason? I think Schaub's option kicks in at the end of this season, or something like that - correct?

1. Keep the QB roles as is - that postition is ultimately not the team's issue, or at least immediate need.

2. Keep Matt, drop Sage. Bring up the other backups to #2 and #3.

3. Keep Matt, drop Sage... drop a #3 or 4 as well and look in the draft.

4. Drop Matt, keep Sage and do the same as #2 or 3 above.

5. Drop both, possibly bring up a #3 or 4 for backup or start and look into draft.

6. Other?

By "dropping" it's either shop em for a potential pick (if possible) or if it leads to it just cut bait. I'm thinking the 3rd option is going to be what happens.

Tedc
11-10-2008, 01:02 PM
Alright, since you started this thread - perhaps shoot up a poll 'cause I was thinking about this.... and not sure of the answer. Concerning the QB position and based off the WEALTH of knowledge we've acquired since the HWSNBM "led" the team... what would you do this offseason? I think Schaub's option kicks in at the end of this season, or something like that - correct?

1. Keep the QB roles as is - that postition is ultimately not the team's issue, or at least immediate need.

2. Keep Matt, drop Sage. Bring up the other backups to #2 and #3.

3. Keep Matt, drop Sage... drop a #3 or 4 as well and look in the draft.

4. Drop Matt, keep Sage and do the same as #2 or 3 above.

5. Drop both, possibly bring up a #3 or 4 for backup or start and look into draft.

6. Other?

By "dropping" it's either shop em for a potential pick (if possible) or if it leads to it just cut bait. I'm thinking the 3rd option is going to be what happens.

Please don't use the word "drop" or "pass" anywhere in the same sentence with our QBs. It only leads to turnovers which is probably what we should do with them. A complete turnover.

Norg
11-10-2008, 01:03 PM
our 3 and 4 right now are

Craig Nall & Alex Brink

do u really want to live and die on thoes guyz ....

OzzO
11-10-2008, 01:05 PM
Nope, that's why I'm thinking #3 option is going to happen.

... oh, Tedc - I never used "pass" in a sentence with the QB.
:tiphat:

drewmar74
11-10-2008, 01:06 PM
Hey, Jeff George is still available!

JEFF GEORGE STILL WANTS TO PLAY
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 10, 2008, 2:00 p.m.
Any general managers out there shopping for a veteran backup quarterback, Jeff George would like to speak with you.

George, the 40-year-old who last threw an NFL pass in 2001, has reiterated that he still believes he can contribute to an NFL team.

I find it hard to believe there isnt a place in the game for me. My arm feels like Im 25, George said on Sirius NFL Radio, per Peter King of SI.com. Im not asking to be a starter, I just want a spot on a team. I still hold out hope I can play in this league. Im working out three or four days a week, staying ready. Some people might laugh about it. Ive been hearing the excuse, Youre too old, but I look at guys now playing near 40, and if you can throw it like I can throw it Why wouldnt you take a look at me?

George made similar comments on Michael Irvins radio show, and he sounds like hes sincere about his desire to return. But hes sounded sincere about returning for years now, and so far, hes been met with silence from NFL general managers.

On the other hand, in an NFL world where Daunte Culpepper can go from unemployed on Monday to a starting quarterback on Sunday, stranger things have happened. And really, for the teams that have suffered quarterback injuries this season, what would it hurt to bring George in for a look?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Texan_Bill
11-10-2008, 01:06 PM
Hey, is VY available?

:stirpot

BOOOOOOO!!! I hate you... ;)

Tedc
11-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Speaking of turnovers.....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/turnover-1-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/turnover-1.jpg


My impression of our QBs.

JWarren14
11-10-2008, 01:15 PM
What about Matt Cassel isn't he available after this year? I haven't really seen him play and I know the Texans aren't the Patriots, but I just wanted to throw it out there.

I would love to take Bradford/Stafford in the draft, but we have too many other holes to fill to draft a QB. Since Sage is gone next year I would love to have a young QB hold a clipboard for a year, or at least a few game since Schaub will probably only play about half a year at best. However, our D is struggling so a DT or a CB or a S would probably be a better bet, but I would love to have a franchise QB which we currently DO NOT have.

HJam72
11-10-2008, 01:18 PM
I don't think we need a safety anymore. I don't think SS was ever such an issue, and we have apparently stumbled over backwards into a decent FS in Eugene Wilson. At least it looks that way.

Hardcore Texan
11-10-2008, 01:18 PM
Kubes will be here another year, as will Matt, IMHO. I think Sage is gone and we are looking hot and heavy for another backup on the market, possibly even the draft. Of course it's still early and Sage has 2-3 more games to try and redeem himself.

Next 3 games:
@ Indy
@ Cleveland
Jax - maybe we get Matt back for Battle Red Night Football.


Is Sage a FA after this year?

cuppacoffee
11-10-2008, 01:23 PM
Now, now...there's no reason to go jumping off THAT particular bridge.

(Besides, after hearing Sage's post-game "whine" yesterday, we only have room for ONE whiny QB at a time). Mr. "I can't do it all myself" better watch more tape of his interceptions before he starts laying blame at too many other doorsteps.

I didn't watch much of the game and none of the post-game.

Did Schaub really say" I can't do it all myself"?

:coffee:

drewmar74
11-10-2008, 01:28 PM
I didn't watch much of the game and none of the post-game.

Did Schaub really say" I can't do it all myself"?

:coffee:

You mean Sage?

utahmark
11-10-2008, 01:29 PM
they will probably keep both. unless they can gain a lot (cap wise) by letting sage go. they might have to consider drafting a qb especially if there is someone they like in the 2cnd or 3rd round.

gwallaia
11-10-2008, 01:33 PM
colt mccoy

eriadoc
11-10-2008, 01:33 PM
I didn't watch much of the game and none of the post-game.

Did Schaub really say" I can't do it all myself"?

:coffee:

Sage actually said that, yes.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2008, 01:36 PM
You mean Sage?

Oops..yes I did.

I just can't believe he would say something like that.

Bad move if he did.

:coffee:

drewmar74
11-10-2008, 01:51 PM
Oops..yes I did.

I just can't believe he would say something like that.

Bad move if he did.

:coffee:

Agreed.

He is capable, though, of tossing a bunch of picks all by himself.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 02:09 PM
Now, now...there's no reason to go jumping off THAT particular bridge.

(Besides, after hearing Sage's post-game "whine" yesterday, we only have room for ONE whiny QB at a time). Mr. "I can't do it all myself" better watch more tape of his interceptions before he starts laying blame at too many other doorsteps.

That's funny b/c the indy game that sure as hell what it looked like he was trying to do then...

mexican_texan
11-10-2008, 02:15 PM
Since Quinton Porter was busy convincing McCain to take Palin, Brink is our best option right now.

http://cougars.fandome.com/video/83976/Brinks-Record-Day/

drewmar74
11-10-2008, 02:23 PM
Alright, since you started this thread - perhaps shoot up a poll 'cause I was thinking about this.... and not sure of the answer. Concerning the QB position and based off the WEALTH of knowledge we've acquired since the HWSNBM "led" the team... what would you do this offseason? I think Schaub's option kicks in at the end of this season, or something like that - correct?

1. Keep the QB roles as is - that postition is ultimately not the team's issue, or at least immediate need.

2. Keep Matt, drop Sage. Bring up the other backups to #2 and #3.

3. Keep Matt, drop Sage... drop a #3 or 4 as well and look in the draft.

4. Drop Matt, keep Sage and do the same as #2 or 3 above.

5. Drop both, possibly bring up a #3 or 4 for backup or start and look into draft.

6. Other?

By "dropping" it's either shop em for a potential pick (if possible) or if it leads to it just cut bait. I'm thinking the 3rd option is going to be what happens.

Cut Nall and Sage.

Keep Brink on the POS - er, I mean PS.

Sign Jeff George as the new #1 :tiphat:

Put Matt back on the bench as the #2 for a year

Draft a developmental QB sometime on the 1st day.




Okay, its a crappy plan. But is it really that much worse than what we've been doing? :thinking:

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 02:34 PM
And to think we could have taken the Vikings for a draft pick to dump this moron just makes me sick. He can't do it all himself? I disagree with that statement. He's done a pretty good job of losing one very important game all by himself and then followed it up in his next start with what I can only characterize as a serious attempt at losing a second one all on his lonesome. Sure the other guys chipped in on that Ravens game but I think we all know Sage could have lost that one all by himself.

Goldensilence
11-10-2008, 02:57 PM
And to think we could have taken the Vikings for a draft pick to dump this moron just makes me sick. He can't do it all himself? I disagree with that statement. He's done a pretty good job of losing one very important game all by himself and then followed it up in his next start with what I can only characterize as a serious attempt at losing a second one all on his lonesome. Sure the other guys chipped in on that Ravens game but I think we all know Sage could have lost that one all by himself.

Pretty much my thought as when the Vikes offered us that third i was all for it.

Only question I have is who we would've taken with that extra third? There's some nice prospects still on board in the third when that pick came up.

mexican_texan
11-10-2008, 04:08 PM
We could've taken the third and drafted Marcus Harrisson

powerfuldragon
11-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Since Quinton Porter was busy convincing McCain to take Palin

link. kthx.

drewmar74
11-10-2008, 04:17 PM
Jeff George!

The original laser rocket armed QB!

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 04:25 PM
Speaking of turnovers.....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/turnover-1-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/turnover-1.jpg


My impression of our QBs.


Baklavah? Huh?

Andrew6
11-10-2008, 05:05 PM
Sage actually said that, yes.

wow, he really did say that? heh, well he did throw 4 interceptions all by himself.

Hardcore Texan
11-10-2008, 05:16 PM
I must be accidentally using my power of invisibility again.

jerek
11-10-2008, 05:40 PM
"I can't do it by myself?"

I know our D hung it up that second half ... but really, how do you blame some of those interceptions on anyone but yourself?

Lame.

PapaL
11-10-2008, 05:42 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?STORY_ID=4861


“I blame myself for the mistakes I made,” Rosenfels said. “But I can’t do it all and I’m probably trying to be too aggressive and make too many things happen. But I’m doing the best I can.”

“When bad things start to happen, a team like that just keeps attacking and keeps attacking because they don’t sit back when they’re in the lead and play soft coverages and let you find completions and slowly move the ball down the field like most teams do," Rosenfels said. “That team keeps bringing it, keeps blitzing, keeps being aggressive. That’s why it’s so hard, even at the end of the games when you might be down by four touchdowns, to even find completions.”

“This is a game I’m going to have to learn from,” he said. "We have a big game next week at Indianapolis. That’s a game we all know that we think we can win because we played them so well the first time. We’ll have to play even better next week.”

devo-x
11-10-2008, 06:01 PM
That's a good question - What contributed to the four interceptions, including the two to Ray Lewis? Sage's miscue, defensive pressure, or something else?

:brickwall:

Vinny
11-10-2008, 06:05 PM
And to think we could have taken the Vikings for a draft pick to dump this moron just makes me sick. He can't do it all himself? I disagree with that statement. He's done a pretty good job of losing one very important game all by himself and then followed it up in his next start with what I can only characterize as a serious attempt at losing a second one all on his lonesome. Sure the other guys chipped in on that Ravens game but I think we all know Sage could have lost that one all by himself.

some of his passes to Ray Lewis were amazingly accurate. He never had to take an extra step to find the ball.

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 06:26 PM
Maybe we can sign this guy (http://imagesforum.doctissimo.fr/mesimages/3525338/cat_frog1.jpg) to QB the team.

TheIronDuke
11-10-2008, 06:27 PM
I must be accidentally using my power of invisibility again.

He'll be a free agent after the '09 season.

mexican_texan
11-10-2008, 06:56 PM
link. kthx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9H3mgVx8Tc

Around 3:20

BigBull17
11-11-2008, 11:43 AM
Hey, is VY available?

:stirpot

Id rather use OD and run the spread.

texanhead08
11-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Rosencopter said, who else did you want me to throw it to Ray Lewis was wide open.

powerfuldragon
11-11-2008, 01:22 PM
Id rather use OD and run the spread.

might as well.

swtbound07
11-11-2008, 02:01 PM
ray lewis should thank sage for this years trip to hawaii...that was a career saving game if i've ever seen one

hookinreds
11-11-2008, 02:02 PM
colt mccoy

That trick font just slipped right by everyone.

Drew_Smoke
11-11-2008, 02:23 PM
I hope they are too smart to burn their #1 on a QB. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd if they think they can fast track him.

No one has said anything about Alex Brink. I wonder how much NFL potential Kubes thinks he really has.

swtbound07
11-11-2008, 02:28 PM
more than rohan davey, less than dave ragone?

Buffi2
11-11-2008, 02:35 PM
Get rid of Sage - keep Matt and get someone who has never worn and will never wear #8. If Matt can't stay on the field - retire #8 forever.

I'd vote for Graham Harrell if that were even in the realm of possibility. Alas, too many other needs come first.

OzzO
11-13-2008, 09:11 AM
So, Johnny Mac brought up some points (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6107438.html)today...

...But here’s something else to consider: When general manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak get serious about the draft after the season, they may have to mull using their first-round pick on a quarterback.

Three things have transpired this season to make us believe the Texans may have to select a quarterback to groom to be the next starter — Matt Schaub’s injury, Sage Rosenfels’ contract and the success of rookies Joe Flacco (Baltimore) and Matt Ryan (Atlanta)....

...In two seasons, Schaub has been out of the lineup four times with a concussion, a shoulder injury that required surgery, a viral infection and the knee injury. The Texans would love for Schaub to stay healthy next season, but what are the odds of that happening based on what we’ve seen so far?

Schaub’s six-year, $48 million contract calls for a $10 million option bonus in March of 2010 if they want to keep him for the last three years of his deal.

If Schaub is healthy next season, continues to improve and the Texans win, of course, they’ll exercise that option. But if he’s injured for the third consecutive season, they may have to think long and hard before they guarantee him another $27.35 million.

In 2009, Rosenfels will be in the last year of his contract. With Schaub out, this is Rosenfels’ chance to prove he’s worthy of being a starter. He’s not off to a good start, of course, but he has more opportunities. Still, there’s a good chance he’ll leave as a free agent after next season.

If Schaub stays healthy next season and Rosenfels leaves, he’ll have to be replaced with a veteran unless they draft a quarterback in April. And we don’t mean using a seventh-round pick for one as they did this year with Alex Brink....

So, if I'm thinking the #3 option mentioned earlier happens - keep Matt, drop Sage, look in the draft... with other needs on the team, how late in the rounds do you think we can find our TRUE future QB (if there is one) to groom behind Matt next year and see if Matt is worthy of exercising the option for the future?

mexican_texan
11-13-2008, 09:20 AM
If we can get Stafford, I say go for it. Otherwise, we need someone on defense.

The1ApplePie
11-13-2008, 09:38 AM
If we can get Stafford, I say go for it. Otherwise, we need someone on defense.

The Texans have a bad habit of need positions that suck in the draft

Need a DT? Well Glenn Dorsey and Cedric Ellis stay in school so you get AO

Need a QB? Well there are no good senior QBs in the 2009 draft

2010 will be a great QB draft though

drewmar74
11-13-2008, 10:06 AM
The Texans have a bad habit of need positions that suck in the draft

Need a DT? Well Glenn Dorsey and Cedric Ellis stay in school so you get AO

Need a QB? Well there are no good senior QBs in the 2009 draft

2010 will be a great QB draft though

Who's coming out in '10? I am not a huge draft nut, so I don't really keep up until after the season.

The1ApplePie
11-13-2008, 10:10 AM
Who's coming out in '10? I am not a huge draft nut, so I don't really keep up until after the season.

Pretty much any good QB in 2009 draft are underclassmen and most will stay in school.

Sanchez
Bradford
Stafford
Tebow
McCoy

all will be seniors in 2010

BigBull17
11-13-2008, 11:29 AM
Oops..yes I did.

I just can't believe he would say something like that.

Bad move if he did.

:coffee:

I didnt know he said that. What a loser. Once Schaub gets back, Id make him the #3. Glad we didnt trade him in the offseason... I freaking hate Sage.

In a realated story, Sage was voted as the Colts mid season MVP. Wierd. The Ravens agreed...

Pretty much any good QB in 2009 draft are underclassmen and most will stay in school.

Sanchez
Bradford
Stafford
Tebow
McCoy

all will be seniors in 2010

Its hard to really get too pumped about one of these guys. McCoy and Tebow will need a few years to learn how to be a pro QB. With the Young/Smith debacles still so fresh, you cant get a gimik spread qb and plug him right in. Bradford is pretty close to NFL "ready", but will get nabbed before us if he comes out. Im not afraid to admit I dont know too much about Sanchez of Stafford.

scourge
11-13-2008, 11:38 AM
other than the system he is in, what is the knock on Harrell?

hdbn
11-13-2008, 11:39 AM
Stafford has a great arm and would be someone to consider but I don't know about his decision making when he gets pressure. If anything I would like to see Bradford in this draft since he seems to really have a good grasp of the offense. Texans just need to make sure that the QB that we do get (if we they go that route) can handle the mental aspect of the game in the NFL.

BigBull17
11-13-2008, 11:46 AM
other than the system he is in, what is the knock on Harrell?

The system he is in... Thats his major knock. Its just hard to put too much faith in a non pro style qb. He could be great, but he could be awful. The 2nd happends more than the 1st

Norg
11-13-2008, 11:51 AM
Lets get David Carr ......

or Jeff garcia

drewmar74
11-13-2008, 12:04 PM
Lets get David Carr ......

or Jeff garcia

I hope line 1 was a joke.

Jeff George is available. Laser, rocket armed QB.

GlassHalfFull
11-13-2008, 12:23 PM
I hope line 1 was a joke.

Jeff George is available. Laser, rocket armed QB.

Jeff, is that you? Because I am starting to get suspicious.:thinking:



Edit: This is my first post from work. I feel so proud. I only started my new job 2 hours ago.

Corrosion
11-13-2008, 12:25 PM
Lets get David Carr ......

or Jeff garcia

That top line almost triggered my neg. rep reflex ..... I sure hope it was sarcasm.

drewmar74
11-13-2008, 12:26 PM
Jeff, is that you? Because I am starting to get suspicious.:thinking:



Edit: This is my first post from work. I feel so proud. I only started my new job 2 hours ago.

That's awesome!

New job = posting within two hours. Killer. I'm inspired!

HOU-TEX
11-13-2008, 01:13 PM
Jeff, is that you? Because I am starting to get suspicious.:thinking:



Edit: This is my first post from work. I feel so proud. I only started my new job 2 hours ago.

LOL! That's awesome! Only two hours before your first post. Heck, you'll be catching up to TB soon. :cool:

Norg
11-13-2008, 11:40 PM
where do u freaking work ????

threetoedpete
11-14-2008, 01:52 AM
colt mccoy

I got a funny feeling that boy is headed to Detroit.

threetoedpete
11-14-2008, 02:13 AM
So, Johnny Mac brought up some points (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6107438.html)today...



So, if I'm thinking the #3 option mentioned earlier happens - keep Matt, drop Sage, look in the draft... with other needs on the team, how late in the rounds do you think we can find our TRUE future QB (if there is one) to groom behind Matt next year and see if Matt is worthy of exercising the option for the future?

That's the big question. I do not believe they are throwing the season, but I believe they are unloading the benches to see just exactly what they have in the hopper as far as the young'uns are concerned. Greenwood's gotta go and Weaver's gotta go. Everything beyond that is all gravy.

Two seasons ago they were looking for play makers on the offense. You'd figure now, with the passing game hitting, they will be looking for play makers on defense. But who knows... You also gotta figure if they just spent a high pick last year finally on an OLT, Andre Smith is out.

Micheal Ohr is possible...I'll believe this group will spend a high one on a guard when I see it. But clearly our middle is getting it's brains beat out every time they meet an elite nose tackle. That's been going on for two and a half seasons. There are several running backs who could compliment Steve Slaton very well, not trying to replace the guy...just trying to get seven years out of him instead of four...with touches in a game. Why you would load up with another WR is mind Boggling to me. But clearly Micheal Crabtree is the best WR weapon on the board. And maybe the best player on the board regardless of offense or defensive positions.
All that being said.....There are a couple of QBs on the board worthy of a first round pick....not top ten...but worthy.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1044827&postcount=1

There is your list of what is considered by some as the cream of next years crop. At the moment my personal favorite is Curry of Wake Forrest. If he blows them away and then DE or center in the second.
(There are four...count them four, centers on the board worthy of a first day grade...and one who can cover OT also.) Or Orakpo and then the very athletic LB. At the very least someone who'll push Greenwood out the door and/or who can back up Ryans and push Dilles. There is no guarantee that Dilles will be on line by September '09. They may need to take two linebackers depending on how Adibi preforms the rest of the way. The defense should have a high priority.

Back to the QB....funny how very ordinary the Pats are without the number one QB in the NFL. I think until all of these sophomores and Juniors declare to come out....Chase Daniels would make a fine stop gap backing up MS...probably fall into the fifth round. Got a lot invested in ole Matty. If Matty fails there are a load of very athletic passers coming on line in the next couple of drafts. This will be our third franchise QB if Matt fails. Take your time. Hold your water and do it right if you're going to draft number three QB. Which is exactly what I posted during the David Carr fiasco.

Daniels should fall because of size and arm strength. It'll buy them time until Kubes can find him an Elway. Lets hope they avoid another selection on the golf course this time.

Txn_in_Oki
11-14-2008, 11:30 AM
A QB will be available next summer :)

RICHMOND, Va. -- Imprisoned NFL quarterback Michael Vick expects to return to pro football, according to his bankruptcy attorneys who laid out a plan to pay creditors based in part on his anticipated earnings.

"The Debtor has every reason to believe that upon his release, he will be reinstated into the NFL, resume his career and be able to earn a substantial living," Vick's attorneys wrote in a disclosure statement filed before a hearing Thursday in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Norfolk.

The former Atlanta Falcons star is serving a 23-month sentence in a federal penitentiary for bankrolling a dogfighting ring in rural Virginia and is scheduled to be released on July 20.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3701275

:jail: