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forcefollow
11-09-2008, 10:35 PM
Here is how I prioritize the draft choices by position.

1. QB
2. DT
3. CB
4. LB

I think the other areas and they are many can be taken care of in free agency.

2 and 3 could be flipped maybe but QB is a lock for the first pick next year.

wolf123
11-09-2008, 10:37 PM
Here is how I prioritize the draft choices by position.

1. QB
2. DT
3. CB
4. LB

I think the other areas and they are many can be taken care of in free agency.

2 and 3 could be flipped maybe but QB is a lock for the first pick next year.

I doubt they pick a QB with their first round pick

TheCD
11-09-2008, 10:37 PM
At this point I'm willing to look at a QB with a high pick, but I've been demoralized by watching our secondary for 6+ years now...I want us to draft a CB or S with our #1 myself. Then a QB or LB.

J-Russ
11-09-2008, 10:42 PM
1-QB---I wished.

1-OLB / Brandon Spikes, Aaron Curry
2-DE / George Selvie, Tyson Jackson
3-S / Rashad Johnson
4-RG/C / Eric Wood, Max Unger
5-DT
6-BPA
7-BPA

utahmark
11-09-2008, 11:11 PM
what we need is some kind of qb that is a great decision maker who doesn't turn the ball over with a great arm and acuarate. if he was also big enough to block on run plays that would help. he also needs to be able to deep snap, we've had some problems in that area as well. he has to be able to rush the qb as well as take up interior lineman on the running plays. it would be a plus if he could tackle and have enough speed to cover the tight ends out of the back field. actually he would have to have a 5th gear so he could cover wide recievers in certain situations. he might as well be able to punt the ball since turk will not last forever. he must have a background in defensive philosiphy so he could help coach the defense during the week. he should have some head coaching experience maybe helping out in little league. hopefully his dad owned a large business so he could advise mcnair from time to time. a phd in communications is a must so we can get some fans back. hopefully he will be good at directions(sometimes i cant find my seat)

i think that will about do it for our 1st pick.

Corrosion
11-09-2008, 11:34 PM
Here is how I prioritize the draft choices by position.

1. QB
2. DT
3. CB
4. LB

I think the other areas and they are many can be taken care of in free agency.

2 and 3 could be flipped maybe but QB is a lock for the first pick next year.

I made a comment in another thread about drafting a QB in the mid rounds to sit behind Schaub for a year or two and spending some premium picks on interior offensive linemen .... I'd put the Texans draft needs as follows

1) OLB / DE could also take ILB moving Ryans outside , fill the other need via FA
2) OG (Brisel isnt starting material)
3)QB/C
4)C/QB
5-7) anything after round 4 is probably a crap shoot at best .... BPA

Hervoyel
11-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Look, I know everyone thinks we need a QB but I just don't think that is the case. I think Schaub is exactly what Kubiak wants at QB and if the Texans could ever start running the ball with some degree of consistency then he'd be everything you could ask for in a signal caller.

Trying to run this offense with only 15 running plays per game is insanity. This "pass to setup the run" thing everyone expects isn't going to work for a zone blocking team. We try to pass first and they bring the house. Our offensive line can't keep them all out without a credible running threat and so we fail before the run is ever "setup".

We need a running back who can move the chains. We need a center who can hold his own against the big nose tackles. We need one more guy on the defensive line who can get to the QB because without him Mario is just going to be good enough to get to some Pro Bowls but his sacks are never going to affect the outcome of games.

We need Jon Hoke and Richard Smith on the first bus out of town in a bad way but as much as that we need next coordinator on that side of the ball to get it right because we're wasting careers here. I don't want to see Mario, DeMeco, and Dunta all getting good statistical production while playing on a crap defense that never stops anybody. These guys will leave eventually because nobody wants to play on a perennial loser forever.

stingray
11-09-2008, 11:37 PM
The Texans need to draft a Heart in the first and a brain in the second...

J-Russ
11-09-2008, 11:39 PM
I made a comment in another thread about drafting a QB in the mid rounds to sit behind Schaub for a year or two and spending some premium picks on interior offensive linemen .... I'd put the Texans draft needs as follows

1) OLB / DE could also take ILB moving Ryans outside , fill the other need via FA
2) OG (Brisel isnt starting material)
3)QB/C
4)C/QB
5-7) anything after round 4 is probably a crap shoot at best .... BPA

If you don't draft a QB at the top of the 09 draft, then forget about drafting a QB at all. This is such a weak class, its not even funny. It barely edge the 02 class, and thats only if the underclassmen comes out. I don't even want to think about it if the top QB is Rhett freakin Bomar.

Corrosion
11-09-2008, 11:45 PM
If you don't draft a QB at the top of the 09 draft, then forget about drafting a QB at all. This is such a weak class, it barely edge the 02 class. And thats only if the underclassmen comes out, I don't even want to think about it if the top QB is Rhett freakin Bomar.



There are a couple guy's I could envision falling to the 3rd - 4th round that have potential ..... One of those is TT's Graham Harrell.

mussop
11-10-2008, 12:02 AM
There are a couple guy's I could envision falling to the 3rd - 4th round that have potential ..... One of those is TT's Graham Harrell.I think hes a grat college QB but hell be lucky to get drafted in the 4th round, more likely late 5th or 6th imo. Bradford is this years Matt Ryan. IMO he is sthe best QB in this draft should he declare. He is worthy of a top 5 pick.

jamil
11-10-2008, 12:03 AM
We need to stop drafting "raw" projects as a first round pick. This team is in desperate need of an impact safety, and a new defensive coordinator.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 12:10 AM
Look, I know everyone thinks we need a QB but I just don't think that is the case. I think Schaub is exactly what Kubiak wants at QB and if the Texans could ever start running the ball with some degree of consistency then he'd be everything you could ask for in a signal caller.

Trying to run this offense with only 15 running plays per game is insanity. This "pass to setup the run" thing everyone expects isn't going to work for a zone blocking team. We try to pass first and they bring the house. Our offensive line can't keep them all out without a credible running threat and so we fail before the run is ever "setup".

We need a running back who can move the chains. We need a center who can hold his own against the big nose tackles. We need one more guy on the defensive line who can get to the QB because without him Mario is just going to be good enough to get to some Pro Bowls but his sacks are never going to affect the outcome of games.

We need Jon Hoke and Richard Smith on the first bus out of town in a bad way but as much as that we need next coordinator on that side of the ball to get it right because we're wasting careers here. I don't want to see Mario, DeMeco, and Dunta all getting good statistical production while playing on a crap defense that never stops anybody. These guys will leave eventually because nobody wants to play on a perennial loser forever.

when he gets injured you want to rely on sage?

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 12:24 AM
Look, I know everyone thinks we need a QB but I just don't think that is the case. I think Schaub is exactly what Kubiak wants at QB and if the Texans could ever start running the ball with some degree of consistency then he'd be everything you could ask for in a signal caller.

Trying to run this offense with only 15 running plays per game is insanity. This "pass to setup the run" thing everyone expects isn't going to work for a zone blocking team. We try to pass first and they bring the house. Our offensive line can't keep them all out without a credible running threat and so we fail before the run is ever "setup".

We need a running back who can move the chains. We need a center who can hold his own against the big nose tackles. We need one more guy on the defensive line who can get to the QB because without him Mario is just going to be good enough to get to some Pro Bowls but his sacks are never going to affect the outcome of games.

We need Jon Hoke and Richard Smith on the first bus out of town in a bad way but as much as that we need next coordinator on that side of the ball to get it right because we're wasting careers here. I don't want to see Mario, DeMeco, and Dunta all getting good statistical production while playing on a crap defense that never stops anybody. These guys will leave eventually because nobody wants to play on a perennial loser forever.



I dont disagree with you at all (unbelievable aint it?) BUT If they cant protect Schaub any better than they have over the past two seasons we're going to get more of the same .... Schaub on the bench. C and RG are my top priority on the offensive side of the ball .... But if Schaub is going to spend half the season on the bench there has to be someone ready to fill his spot (Sage again next year ?)

Norg
11-10-2008, 01:34 AM
Himm i hope its like this

1 OLB
2 FS/CB
3 Ofensive Guard
4 Punter-someone to replace Turk -maybe even flip it to pick 3 if we can find a really good one

I dont think we should gett rookies to help us on FS and CB and SS because they will be now better then what we have now we will leave that to FA

so i see going into the season having 3 or 2 QB

1 Matt
2 Sage
3 Nall

TheRealJoker
11-10-2008, 01:59 AM
Odds are we keep Kubiak if he gets to the 6-8 win mark to end the season.

If that happens, then that means we are keeping the QBs we've got. Too much is invested in Schaub and he was on quite the roll before the Jared Allen cheapshots. Even took some big shots and got back up to finish the game. The jury is out on whether or not he's injury prone. But I think he proved he's got the heart and toughness to play QB for this football team.

The Dolphins game is a prime example of that. He threw 2 INTs early in that game. Rosenfels would've folded up like a lawnchair at that point but Matt stuck it out and proceeded to hang 379 on the Dolphins and run in the game winning td despite being harassed by Joey Porter all day.

If we dont keep Kubiak however....

Schaub's not the new coaches' "guy". This means we use our most likely very high draft choice to draft a "Franchise QB" and have Matt start while the # 1 pick is groomed and while the OL/running game gets up to snuff enough so the new QB doesn't get killed.

Or he brings in a veteran like we should've done in 06 when Drew Brees was on the market.

Norg
11-10-2008, 02:06 AM
i woldnt mind keeping Matt along for a while honestly

i dont want to make the same mastike twice in not keeping your stable Lame not has good QB while your rebuliding you team alla David carr who i think left a year and a half 2 early

but i wouldnt be aganist trading matt and Nall keeping sage has a Backup

and getting a very good vet alla a dream grab like

Brett Farve
Jeff garcia
Chad plamer
Kerry Collins
David carr :P
Maybe even vince young if we can get him for cheap

TheRealJoker
11-10-2008, 02:08 AM
i woldnt mind keeping Matt along for a while honestly

i dont want to make the same mastike twice in not keeping your stable Lame not has good QB while your rebuliding you team alla David carr who i think left a year and a half 2 early
but i wouldnt be aganist trading matt and Nall keeping sage has a Backup

and getting a very good vet alla a dream grab like

Brett Farve
Jeff garcia
Chad plamer
Kerry Collins
David carr :P
Maybe even vince young if we can get him for cheap

If anything Carr left a year and a half too late. He was damaged goods by mid 05.

Norg
11-10-2008, 02:12 AM
And at this point Matt is damanged goods for reals :P by mid 08

did we really need to waste 2 2nd round draft picks and a hole lot of money for this ....

we might has well took our licks with carr while we re rebuild

TheRealJoker
11-10-2008, 02:20 AM
And at this point Matt is damanged goods for reals :P by mid 08

did we really need to waste 2 2nd round draft picks and a hole lot of money for this ....

we might has well took our licks with carr while we re rebuild

Matt was playing as well as any QB in the NFL the last month right along with AJ up until Allen took out his knee. Yet he's damaged goods? Last I saw, that was Sage having the meltdown today and in the Indy game.

When has Carr EVER had a stretch where he played among the best at his position? What has Carr done in his time with us that showed that he could do anything other than go fetal before he takes serious punishment?

Mari-OWNED!
11-10-2008, 02:31 AM
We don't need to draft a QB... yet.

Matt Schaub is the guy for at least another two seasons IMO. I don't like it, but that's just how I see it.

If Schaub does not produce in 2009 I say we draft a QB, and let him learn the ropes and if Schaub is not producing in 2010, that is when the new QB should hit the field.

There are WAY more problems than the QB position for the Texans franchise. Lets try fixing our oline and secondary before we decide to draft a QB.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 02:55 AM
talking "draft" before the season is ten games deep every year is depressing.

Norg
11-10-2008, 03:12 AM
Matt was playing as well as any QB in the NFL the last month right along with AJ up until Allen took out his knee. Yet he's damaged goods? Last I saw, that was Sage having the meltdown today and in the Indy game.

When has Carr EVER had a stretch where he played among the best at his position? What has Carr done in his time with us that showed that he could do anything other than go fetal before he takes serious punishment?

if i stand corrected during the 1st half of the MInn game we had Zero yup zippo Points on offensive

Matt has no pocket pressence nor dubility or mobility

Carr has drived down fields Before aganist tough teams Matt has not

i can safely say Last year was a diaster for Matt what was it 3 injures missing a few game

this year same bad report card 0-3 in the divison for matty and only winning games aganist the worst teams in the NFL

sorry iam not drinking the Matt kool aid that your drinking

Vinny
11-10-2008, 03:13 AM
if i stand corrected during the 1st half of the MInn game we had Zero yup zippo Points on offensive

Matt has no pocket pressence nor dubility or mobility

Carr has drived down fields Before aganist tough teams Matt has not

i can safely say Last year was a diaster for Matt what was it 3 injures missing a few game

this year same bad report card 0-3 in the divison for matty and only winning games aganist the worst teams in the NFL

sorry iam not drinking the Matt kool aid that your drinking

you stating Carr is better than Schaub says it all...no need for any any Guyana punch. Please sit down before you fall....I'm sure its dizzy up there.

Carr Bombed
11-10-2008, 03:19 AM
edt

Norg
11-10-2008, 03:22 AM
you stating Carr is better than Schaub says it all...no need for any any Guyana punch. Please sit down before you fall....I'm sure its dizzy up there.

iam not saying Carr is better then Matt iam saying there just about on the same level .... that u cannot say is actually somewhat true

so with that being said did we really need to acquire Matt schaub i think has the old saying goes we had worse problems then our QB at that time

Carr Bombed
11-10-2008, 03:37 AM
iam not saying Carr is better then Matt iam saying there just about on the same level .... that u cannot say is actually somewhat true

so with that being said did we really need to acquire Matt schaub i think has the old saying goes we had worse problems then our QB at that time

Matt Schaub does not = David Carr...

The difference between Matt Schaub and David Carr is this...

With Matt Schaub I actually have confidence that if he can avoid some mistakes he actually stands a chance at bailing out one of the worst defenses in the entire NFL.

With David Carr it was, "hopefully somebody David dumps the ball off to in the flat can make a play, shit DD isn't playing.....there goes our passing offense" or "hopefully our defense can step up big and hold the other team under 20 points, because if they don't we don't stand a chance in hell of winning".

I think some of y'all have completely wiped the -5 passing yards victory vs the crappy Raiders game away from y'all's memory.

David Carr does NOT = Matt Schaub.........is Matt Schaub the bonified franchise QB, maybe not, but he's a hellava lot better than David "how's my hair looking" Carr.

GNTLEWOLF
11-10-2008, 03:54 AM
We don't need to draft a QB... yet.

Matt Schaub is the guy for at least another two seasons IMO. I don't like it, but that's just how I see it.
If Schaub does not produce in 2009 I say we draft a QB, and let him learn the ropes and if Schaub is not producing in 2010, that is when the new QB should hit the field.

There are WAY more problems than the QB position for the Texans franchise. Lets try fixing our oline and secondary before we decide to draft a QB.

It may well be the case that the Texan's believe him to be the guy for at least two more years, but how can anyone tell. I mean he really hasn't been on the field enough in the last two seasons to adequately evaluate where he stands. While he has been in games we have seen flashes of brilliance....mostly against teams that are not at the top of their games, and flashes of and reminders of Carr, as well as everything in between. I had decided to take a wait and see on him untill the end of this season, but with him being out for what may well be the rest of the season, I'm more inclined to begin to have my doubts about his durability.
I know many are going to point to his injuries as being a result of cheap shots!. But why is he the only QB that seems to be the target of such? Is it because he has a reputation for being brittle? Or is it just that our O-line really sucks that badly? Maybe a little of both? And if the o-line is really that bad, are we going to ruin him like Carr was ruined before it gets fixed?
I don't know if we as fans have the patience to wait until Matt has a complete season to see if he is worth the price that was paid to get him. In my opinion, We might need to start looking for a QB with durability and smarts and soon, or next season might just be another"wait till next year" kind of year.

UK_Texan
11-10-2008, 04:07 AM
Kick me in the head if you dont agree but im seriously coming round to the idea of trying to get Matt Cassel, once Brady returns he may want to move on to be a starter. Then possibly draft a rookie QB to sit behind Cassel & Schaub,

With regards to this years picks obv Slaton is the sole indvidual that stands out, maybe more careful consideration is needed next year.

DerekLee1
11-10-2008, 07:18 AM
First and foremost, we desperately need a REAL defensive coordinator - someone innovative and aggressive. (Will Marv Lewis be available??)

Safety is THE top priority in the draft; we need a SS and a FS.

Pass rushing end to complement Mario would be our second greatest need.

If Graham Harrell is available in the 2nd, you do NOT pass on him.

Other needs: OL (all positions), OLB, and RB (a bruiser).

DerekLee1
11-10-2008, 03:22 PM
O-rak-po

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 03:48 PM
when he gets injured you want to rely on sage?

I want Sage out of here because I think he's a gross liability and single handedly capable of losing a game or two a year if given the opportunity. I don't see Sage the way many in here do. I think he's a nice guy who never got the memo that he's not starter material and so he's going to do everything in his power to try and prove that he can be "the guy". This of course results in his screwing the pooch for his entire team when he starts trying to exceed his ability.

I don't want Sage on this team. I want him gone and I'd have had him gone for a draft pick this past off season if I'd had my way. There's nothing "rare" about Sage Rosenfels. He's not the best backup QB in the NFL like so many believed. He's just the most recent backup QB to have a good run in relief. You shop those guys around and find a sucker because they almost never pan out.

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 03:52 PM
I dont disagree with you at all (unbelievable aint it?) BUT If they cant protect Schaub any better than they have over the past two seasons we're going to get more of the same .... Schaub on the bench. C and RG are my top priority on the offensive side of the ball .... But if Schaub is going to spend half the season on the bench there has to be someone ready to fill his spot (Sage again next year ?)

The key to protecting Shaub is simple. Get his pass attempts down and run the ball about 20 more times a game. Getting the running game going will have an enormous impact on the number of hits Matt Schaub takes in a game. Trying to put all of this on his back and arm while sitting him behind a ZBS offensive line (that ain't running) borders on criminal. Gary Kubiak should know better than this. That he doesn't raises a lot of doubts about the man and his future as a head coach.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 03:58 PM
We need a sledgehammer back and some coaches that understand the dynamics of what the running game does to your offense and how it helps your defense. Schaub is good enough if you get some smarter coaching around him...and yeah, a real friggin NFL lead running back - in his prime.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2008, 04:06 PM
We need a sledgehammer back and some coaches that understand the dynamics of what the running game does to your offense and how it helps your defense. Schaub is good enough if you get some smarter coaching around him...and yeah, a real friggin NFL lead running back - in his prime.

I've posted somewhere else that sledge hammer backs can be had in the mid rounds ... why ... cause 4.4's and below get you drafted in the first . To get the power game going , we might need somebody with that can drive block ... I'm zoned out .

I would also say that we have no idea about our young CB's at this point and the safety's could easily be upgraded . We need size and speed at LB and our DL stinks .

Kris Brown is damn good and the recievers aren't bad .

gtexan02
11-10-2008, 04:10 PM
I think we need a safety in round 1. A true, ballhawking, centerfield playing safety. Top 10 safeties are rarely busts and they are always instant differnece makers. We need turnovers on defense, and thats the best way to add 4-8 every year

Vinny
11-10-2008, 04:17 PM
I think we need a safety in round 1. A true, ballhawking, centerfield playing safety. Top 10 safeties are rarely busts and they are always instant differnece makers. We need turnovers on defense, and thats the best way to add 4-8 every yearYou mean like the instant impact that Reggie Nelson "the best S in the draft" has had on the Jaguars? You can't just force in a position is what I'm getting at I guess. Thats how you end up with the Okoyes and TJ's of the world.

BSofA04
11-10-2008, 04:20 PM
A new LT. Duane Brown should be moved to guard.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 04:21 PM
A new LT. Duane Brown should be moved to guard.
he's too weak...Guards need to be able to handle a bullrush from bigger guys than ends...he can't even handle ends.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 04:28 PM
The key to protecting Shaub is simple. Get his pass attempts down and run the ball about 20 more times a game. Getting the running game going will have an enormous impact on the number of hits Matt Schaub takes in a game. Trying to put all of this on his back and arm while sitting him behind a ZBS offensive line (that ain't running) borders on criminal. Gary Kubiak should know better than this. That he doesn't raises a lot of doubts about the man and his future as a head coach.

I agree, as much as I've been drinking the cool aid on how the O-line has improved the last couple of years it still isn't getting the job done on the road or against good defenses (and on the road against good defenses its ugly). Duane Brown can look good for stretches but recently I have been very underwhelmed. There could be at least 3 top notch left tackles (Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Eugen Monroe) at the top of the draft this year and I really hope we give serious consideration to drafting one of them and sliding Duane to guard. Would instantly improve our protection and run blocking. I wish we could just splurge on the D, I really do, but the O-line is just not getting it done when they are put in any kind of tough situation.

The numbers say we are a pretty decent running team but if you take a closer look we really aren't. Slaton has been impressive this year no doubt but his YPC is inflated because he breaks long runs. I don't like to hold that against him but we have to figure out how to get him to be more consistent. Ahman has probably been more effective since he got healthy but we can't count on him. If only we could trade some of those long Slaton runs for more 5-7 yarders. Same YPC in the end but much more productive running game in general.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 04:29 PM
...I really hope we give serious consideration to drafting one of them and sliding Duane to guard. Would instantly improve our protection and run blocking. How would putting Brown in at Guard help the line if he can't handle a bullrush?

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 04:32 PM
he's too weak...Guards need to be able to handle a bullrush from bigger guys than ends...he can't even handle ends.

Is he really much weaker than Briesel though? I imagine Pitts moving to the more physical RG and Duane moving to LG. No reason he shouldn't be able to handle that with some work, look at Eric Steinbach. Brown seems to be bullrushed and countered inside effectively because he is trying to protect against the outside rush to such a large extent. At guard he would have more help on both sides. Anyway, just my opinion.

Goldensilence
11-10-2008, 04:34 PM
Fire Richard Snit hand Hoke. Find a real Defensive coordinator. Marvin Lewis might make himself available after this year if so that who we should go after.

From that point on look at our FA options and decide what positions we want to address.I dunno if we NEED a franchise type RB but we need someone that can keep healthy to pair with Slaton.

Brandon Jacobs might be a sledgehammer at RB that we could spell Slaton with but how much will he be looking for? I see Ricky Williams is a UFA as well. Would be nice to see him back in Texas. There might be some interesting guys if some underclassmen declare.

We need some interior line help for sure but I don't see anyone in FA right now that would help without throwing a lot of money at them. Depending on where we draft if there is someone that is a top 20 caliber guard I would be really interested in taking them in the first.

Nnamdi unless tagged again will be looking to make an escape from the blackhole. Chris Gamble would be well deserving of a look but not major money. If Mike Brown could stay healthy I'd love to have him on this team in the secondary. Brian Dawkins will be available but I don't see him leaving Philly. Dansby would be a great pickup if he's not tagged or the Cards show enough to to make him stay. Mike Peterson would be a good pickup and nothing like taking a good player from a division opponent.

Aside from Nnamdi there are two guys I'd love to see us make a serious run at. Terrell Suggs and Julius Peppers are those two guys.

I think if we draft a good interior lineman and sign someone or draft a RB to give a boost to the running game Matt Schaub will be a viable QB.Kubiak has to decide if he wants to keep his job this year and how he plans to move forward.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 04:35 PM
Is he really much weaker than Briesel though? I imagine Pitts moving to the more physical RG and Duane moving to LG. No reason he shouldn't be able to handle that with some work, look at Eric Steinbach. Brown seems to be bullrushed and countered inside effectively because he is trying to protect against the outside rush to such a large extent. At guard he would have more help on both sides. Anyway, just my opinion.hes out of shape and can't play in the 4th quarter...250lb ends just steamroll him as he gasps for air after he has 30 snaps under his belt. I can imagine what a 340 lb interior DT would do to him at Guard.

cdollaz
11-10-2008, 04:37 PM
if i stand corrected during the 1st half of the MInn game we had Zero yup zippo Points on offensive

Matt has no pocket pressence nor dubility or mobility

Carr has drived down fields Before aganist tough teams Matt has not

i can safely say Last year was a diaster for Matt what was it 3 injures missing a few game

this year same bad report card 0-3 in the divison for matty and only winning games aganist the worst teams in the NFL

<b>sorry iam not drinking the Matt kool aid that your drinking</b>

I'm wondering what you have been drinking. I had to CTRL+C/CTRL+V your post in to Word and run a spelling/grammar check just to figure out what you are saying.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 04:40 PM
I want Sage out of here because I think he's a gross liability and single handedly capable of losing a game or two a year if given the opportunity. I don't see Sage the way many in here do. I think he's a nice guy who never got the memo that he's not starter material and so he's going to do everything in his power to try and prove that he can be "the guy". This of course results in his screwing the pooch for his entire team when he starts trying to exceed his ability.

I don't want Sage on this team. I want him gone and I'd have had him gone for a draft pick this past off season if I'd had my way. There's nothing "rare" about Sage Rosenfels. He's not the best backup QB in the NFL like so many believed. He's just the most recent backup QB to have a good run in relief. You shop those guys around and find a sucker because they almost never pan out.

i think we are miscommunicating somewhat. my point was even if matt was the answer you still have sage as a backup unless we get us another qb. and you had already said that we dont need another qb. we do though, even if its not our starter we need another backup.

swtbound07
11-10-2008, 04:40 PM
how many times are we going to watch subpar quarterbacks blow us up deep before you realize we need a safety. Period. Sign of a good defense? They used a high pick on a safety...see

Baltimore-Ed Reed
Pittsburgh- Troy Polamalu
Dallas- Roy Williams
New England- Brandon Merriweather
Washington- Sean Taylor (rip dog...)
NYG- Kenny Phillips


Lee Evans, Calvin Johnson, Yamon Figurs....what do they all have in common? 60+ yard td's against us.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 04:45 PM
hes out of shape and can't play in the 4th quarter...250lb ends just steamroll him as he gasps for air after he has 30 snaps under his belt. I can imagine what a 340 lb interior DT would do to him at Guard.

He has size and athleticism, he lacks technique and yes his stamina is poor. Are you ready to send him to the scrap heap or do you wish to keep him at LT? What are your thoughts on Brisiel and Myers? Would you rather draft a highly regarded LT, defender, or perhaps go with a RB? I'm not being combative, I would like to know your opinion.

Personally I would love to see us draft Andre Smith out of Alabama. Everyone will probably say he is too large for the ZBS, but I say he can pass protect and run block and could be what we thought we had in Spencer. If this doesn't happen I would love to see us grab a pass rusher opposite Mario because there are no Albert Haynesworth clones in this draft.

Errant Hothy
11-10-2008, 04:51 PM
how many times are we going to watch subpar quarterbacks blow us up deep before you realize we need a safety. Period. Sign of a good defense? They used a high pick on a safety...see

Baltimore-Ed Reed
Pittsburgh- Troy Polamalu
Dallas- Roy Williams
New England- Brandon Merriweather
Washington- Sean Taylor (rip dog...)
NYG- Kenny Phillips


Lee Evans, Calvin Johnson, Yamon Figurs....what do they all have in common? 60+ yard td's against us.

That list would make a ton more sense of Roy Williams' name was not on it. Roy is probably the only safety in the NFL worse then ours when it comes to coverage.

ArlingtonTexan
11-10-2008, 04:53 PM
talking "draft" before the season is ten games deep every year is depressing.

Well, it beats thinking about which below average "player on the rise" the Texans will misidentify, overpay and undercoach.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 04:57 PM
He has size and athleticism, he lacks technique and yes his stamina is poor. and he is weak...you forgot that one. They reached for him in the first like most thought....guys like this you draft a bit later 'cause they aren't ready to play. This is what you call forcing a pick for need. Just like they did with David Carr, Okoye, TJ and Babin.

Are you ready to send him to the scrap heap or do you wish to keep him at LT? gotta kinda have to keep going with him but you have to help him. Why leave him on an island with Suggs around the goal line? Why? because you have no clue! We need smarter coaches.

What are your thoughts on Brisiel and Myers? Would you rather draft a highly regarded LT, defender, or perhaps go with a RB? I'm not being combative, I would like to know your opinion. Myers is a journeyman and is a liability vs legit NFL NT's. He does a decent job getting to the second level but he is worthless in short yardage. I don't see Brisiel as much more than a good back up player. Jury is still out on him but I donno if he has much upside outside of what we see from him now. I think we need another Guard, a Center and a legit NFL lead back if this team is going to be something other than the Denny Green Cardinals. Slaton is a nice 3rd down back but one reason we don't pound the rock is because we have smallish linemen leading the way for smallish backs.....we have a sweet little finesse offense that isn't effective when the field shrinks and physical play wins in short space.

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 05:19 PM
he's too weak...Guards need to be able to handle a bullrush from bigger guys than ends...he can't even handle ends.


Duane Brown should (I think) be given an off season to get stronger and a second year at LT to show what he can do. Trying to move him inside would be a complete waste of time I think.

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 05:26 PM
i think we are miscommunicating somewhat. my point was even if matt was the answer you still have sage as a backup unless we get us another qb. and you had already said that we dont need another qb. we do though, even if its not our starter we need another backup.

You're right of course. I'm sending Sage packing and picking through the scrap heap for a former starter to backup Matt. Those guys are out there and I think that throwing a Mark Brunell or a Kerry Collins type of guy out there puts you in a lot better position than Sage does.

We find a real veteran to backup Matt and if Brink looks like he's growing up then fine, if not you go draft another guy to develop. If you take one too high then it's possible that you have to carry 3 on the roster but if he's taken low enough then he could ride the PS for a year. I'm not against having a guy in development at all times. I think it's a smart move. I was mostly saying that I think the kind of offense we are supposed to be running is a fine fit for Schaub and so in that respect I don't think we need to be looking for a starter. Instead I think we need to be looking for an older former starter and possibly a replacement for Brink if Kubiak doesn't like how Brink has been turning out. Obviously from the signing of Nall we can tell that Brink isn't knocking anyones socks off in practice.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 05:32 PM
and he is weak...you forgot that one. They reached for him in the first like most thought....guys like this you draft a bit later 'cause they aren't ready to play. This is what you call forcing a pick for need. Just like they did with David Carr, Okoye, TJ and Babin.

I did forget to mention that but what I would have said is that he plays weak. He plays better in the run game and because of that I can't tell if he is physically weak or his technique is mostly to blame. If I had to guess I would say its mostly technique but he definitely has to work on his strength(A common theme with us). His balance is awful on plays when he gets beaten and it doesn't matter how strong he is if a defender gets him off balance as often as they do.

If we could start over from scratch after seeing what I have from the ZBS I would cast my vote for a line built on size and strength. We can't and I think Brown could be an upgrade, not a big upgrade, at Brisiel's spot. The main upgrade would come from a new LT. The Broncos obviously have a similar scheme but they draft a stud LT in Clady and have given up only 7 sacks this year. I can't say how much of that discrepancy is because of our coaches but they certainly have contributed to the troubles.

We can't draft a new head coach though, we can fire one and hire another, but I don't know if that is going to cure Brown. I'm not completely opposed to giving him more time and I would be happy with defensive help but I still believe that LT should garner some serious consideration on draft day.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 05:34 PM
We can't and I think Brown could be an upgrade, not a big upgrade, at Brisiel's spot. imo he would get crushed in Brisiel's spot since he can't handle bull rushers...donno how you can say he would be an upgrade after watching him get plowed backwards by ends that only weigh 250 lbs.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 05:35 PM
Duane Brown should (I think) be given an off season to get stronger and a second year at LT to show what he can do. Trying to move him inside would be a complete waste of time I think.

Hopefully he shows some serious improvement in the rest of the second half. I'll be rooting for him to succeed at LT but geeze, hes been a big disappointment so far.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 05:38 PM
imo he would get crushed in Brisiel's spot since he can't handle bull rushers...donno how you can say he would be an upgrade after watching him get plowed backwards by ends that only weigh 250 lbs.

I said earlier I don't think it has as much to do with pure strength as you think. I could be wrong but I think it is more balance and technique.

Norg
11-10-2008, 05:43 PM
There is no question about it we need to draft a Defensive Back and OLB

markn
11-10-2008, 08:09 PM
2009 Draft will be almost exclusively Defense. Neither Kubiak nor Schaub is going anywhere, but Richard Smith will be fired. The new DC will need to stamp his personality over the defense and will be given much help through the draft to accomplish this. Secondary, Linebacker and DE will all get attention.

Whether this is right or wrong is almost irrelevant, it is what will happen.

Expect late picks to reinforce the OL and possibly a project at QB.

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 08:20 PM
There is no question about it we need to draft a Defensive Back and OLB

Drafting a DB or LB doesnt fix the problems on defense ..... drafting a DT that can stuff the run and a DE who can get to the QB will make the secondary look a lot better as a whole than adding one good even great player.


I'd like to see Tim Bulman and Frank Okam get a lot of work over the rest of this season .... just to get an idea of how they fit into next years plans. Bulman has played well thus far and Okam has potential ..... If those guy's factor into next years plans as more than depth then we can talk about OLB and DB's early in the draft. If not , we gotta start up front before we can worry about the back end. It all starts in the trenches .....

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 09:08 PM
Drafting a DB or LB doesnt fix the problems on defense ..... drafting a DT that can stuff the run and a DE who can get to the QB will make the secondary look a lot better as a whole than adding one good even great player.


I'd like to see Tim Bulman and Frank Okam get a lot of work over the rest of this season .... just to get an idea of how they fit into next years plans. Bulman has played well thus far and Okam has potential ..... If those guy's factor into next years plans as more than depth then we can talk about OLB and DB's early in the draft. If not , we gotta start up front before we can worry about the back end. It all starts in the trenches .....

I'd love to see Adibi starting in place of Morlon as well. Bulman and Cochran should have futures with this team, they both bring it every play. They aren't ideal at rushing the passer but there will always be a spot for them in the rotation or shifting over to DT during passing downs etc.

ATXtexanfan
11-10-2008, 09:31 PM
Drafting a DB or LB doesnt fix the problems on defense ..... drafting a DT that can stuff the run and a DE who can get to the QB will make the secondary look a lot better as a whole than adding one good even great player.


I'd like to see Tim Bulman and Frank Okam get a lot of work over the rest of this season .... just to get an idea of how they fit into next years plans. Bulman has played well thus far and Okam has potential ..... If those guy's factor into next years plans as more than depth then we can talk about OLB and DB's early in the draft. If not , we gotta start up front before we can worry about the back end. It all starts in the trenches .....

true, true, very true

BSofA04
11-10-2008, 09:48 PM
imo he would get crushed in Brisiel's spot since he can't handle bull rushers...donno how you can say he would be an upgrade after watching him get plowed backwards by ends that only weigh 250 lbs.

I'm going to disagree. It's much harder to gain leverage when you're consistently shifting laterally. A LT has a much larger area to block than any guard, so I'm seeing the laws of nature side of it that says you can have the strongest guy out there, but get them moving in the wrong direction and you're not going to be able to out-muscle anyone. Only the best of the best can shift and keep their shoulders square to the defender, thus maximizing power and balance. Duane doesn't have the experience to do this but according to Kubiak, he has the athleticism and talent.

You keep talking about guys who are only 250 lbs., but consider who he's gone against. Jared Allen, KVB, Harrison, Freeney, etc. I wouldn't call any of those guys "Weak", so no shame if you get pushed back every now and then. I actually remember Salaam getting knocked on his ass (physically thrown back like a rag doll) against Allen whereas Duane did a decent job.

My point is that if Duane has the athleticism and size, along with a solid base, it would be to his benefit to give Guard a chance. I don't care if he was drafted to play LT. We should put the best 5 offensive linemen on the field at all times, and if moving Brown inside to accommodate a more "polished" LT is the case then so be it. If drafting a guard in the first two rounds is the scenario, then great! But I still see Brown as a better alternative than Briesel.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2008, 09:50 PM
1-QB---I wished.

1-OLB / Brandon Spikes, Aaron Curry
2-DE / George Selvie, Tyson Jackson
3-S / Rashad Johnson
4-RG/C / Eric Wood, Max Unger
5-DT
6-BPA
7-BPA

Are there any sites already projecting/rating players for the upcoming draft?

:coffee:

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 09:56 PM
Are there any sites already projecting/rating players for the upcoming draft?

:coffee:

Draft Countdown.com (http://www.draftcountdown.com/)


GBN (http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm)


There's a couple for ya.

BSofA04
11-10-2008, 09:57 PM
This site has a three round mock..

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

The1ApplePie
11-10-2008, 09:59 PM
Honesly I think Duane Brown is like half the OTs taken in last year's draft. Not first round talent but played the right position.

Kind of like the run on terrible WRs in the first round a few years ago.

The1ApplePie
11-10-2008, 10:00 PM
The best run stopper in the draft will be Terrance Cody. More of a 3-4 guy though

cuppacoffee
11-10-2008, 10:01 PM
Draft Countdown.com (http://www.draftcountdown.com/)


GBN (http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm)


There's a couple for ya.

This site has a three round mock..

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

Many thanks...might as well start looking at next year. :foottap:


:coffee:

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 10:02 PM
I'd love to see Adibi starting in place of Morlon as well. Bulman and Cochran should have futures with this team, they both bring it every play. They aren't ideal at rushing the passer but there will always be a spot for them in the rotation or shifting over to DT during passing downs etc.

If Adibi is 100% healthy he needs to be on the field as much as possible along with Bulman and Okam .... for the obvious reason of seeing how they fit future plans ....

As for Bulman and Cochran .... yeah , I think they have earned a shot at more playing time ahead of TJ and Weaver. If they can hold those positions down it would allow for filling a couple other weaknesses earlier in the draft than if they cant or are just back-up material.
I'd like to see what they can bring to the table for the rest of the season before I made any decisions .... those DL spots are more important to me than the secondary or LB spots. A great DL can make a less than ideal secondary look like All Pro's.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 10:09 PM
I'm going to disagree. It's much harder to gain leverage when you're consistently shifting laterally. A LT has a much larger area to block than any guard, so I'm seeing the laws of nature side of it that says you can have the strongest guy out there, but get them moving in the wrong direction and you're not going to be able to out-muscle anyone. Only the best of the best can shift and keep their shoulders square to the defender, thus maximizing power and balance. Duane doesn't have the experience to do this but according to Kubiak, he has the athleticism and talent.

You keep talking about guys who are only 250 lbs., but consider who he's gone against. Jared Allen, KVB, Harrison, Freeney, etc. I wouldn't call any of those guys "Weak", so no shame if you get pushed back every now and then. I actually remember Salaam getting knocked on his ass (physically thrown back like a rag doll) against Allen whereas Duane did a decent job.

My point is that if Duane has the athleticism and size, along with a solid base, it would be to his benefit to give Guard a chance. I don't care if he was drafted to play LT. We should put the best 5 offensive linemen on the field at all times, and if moving Brown inside to accommodate a more "polished" LT is the case then so be it. If drafting a guard in the first two rounds is the scenario, then great! But I still see Brown as a better alternative than Briesel.

That is pretty much my line of thinking. Less area to cover and going against DTs that, while they are larger, aren't close to the caliber of athlete a LT has to face. Brown has great size for a guard and his athletic ability would be top notch for the position.

Ideally he matures into the position over the rest of the 2nd half and we can spend those premium picks entirely on D. My argument is that if he does not then LT is the only position on offense that should garner consideration if there is a premier LT prospect available.

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 10:18 PM
That is pretty much my line of thinking. Less area to cover and going against DTs that, while they are larger, aren't close to the caliber of athlete a LT has to face. Brown has great size for a guard and his athletic ability would be top notch for the position.

Ideally he matures into the position over the rest of the 2nd half and we can spend those premium picks entirely on D. My argument is that if he does not then LT is the only position on offense that should garner consideration if there is a premier LT prospect available.

You wouldnt take a top tier RB or QB ? ....

Sage is likely done in Houston after this season.

Schaub hasnt proven to be able to stay healthy.

Slaton cant carry the load alone , I'd like to see them land another RB , preferably a bigger guy who can pound the middle and wear a defense down.

IF Schaub isnt the answer at QB , picking one early and letting him sit behind Schaub for a year or two would be ideal from a development standpoint.

Then we still have problems on the defensive side to deal with .... Unless they fill some holes via FA , I fear we are looking at a two to three year plan.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2008, 10:39 PM
You wouldnt take a top tier RB or QB ? ....

Sage is likely done in Houston after this season.

Schaub hasnt proven to be able to stay healthy.

Slaton cant carry the load alone , I'd like to see them land another RB , preferably a bigger guy who can pound the middle and wear a defense down.

IF Schaub isnt the answer at QB , picking one early and letting him sit behind Schaub for a year or two would be ideal from a development standpoint.

Then we still have problems on the defensive side to deal with .... Unless they fill some holes via FA , I fear we are looking at a two to three year plan.

No no no...say it ain't so.....:crying:

:coffee:

BSofA04
11-10-2008, 10:46 PM
You wouldnt take a top tier RB or QB ? ....

Sage is likely done in Houston after this season.

Schaub hasnt proven to be able to stay healthy.

Slaton cant carry the load alone , I'd like to see them land another RB , preferably a bigger guy who can pound the middle and wear a defense down.

IF Schaub isnt the answer at QB , picking one early and letting him sit behind Schaub for a year or two would be ideal from a development standpoint.

Then we still have problems on the defensive side to deal with .... Unless they fill some holes via FA , I fear we are looking at a two to three year plan.

What good is a QB and RB if we can't get any protection from our "athletic", light offensive line? Even Michael Crabtree couldn't help this offense since our QB is stuck on three step drops and bootlegs. Still in the same situation next year.

Jackie Chiles
11-10-2008, 10:53 PM
You wouldnt take a top tier RB or QB ? ....

Sage is likely done in Houston after this season.

Schaub hasnt proven to be able to stay healthy.

Slaton cant carry the load alone , I'd like to see them land another RB , preferably a bigger guy who can pound the middle and wear a defense down.

IF Schaub isnt the answer at QB , picking one early and letting him sit behind Schaub for a year or two would be ideal from a development standpoint.

Then we still have problems on the defensive side to deal with .... Unless they fill some holes via FA , I fear we are looking at a two to three year plan.

If we can get the next Michael Turner at RB during FA and our defense miraculously becomes good we could go after a QB. As it is I think it'd be like treading water. I think whoever the QB is in order to succeed with our team we need to give him better protection, a more consistent running game, and better defensive play. The protection is closer to being good than the defense but honestly not by that much. We just cannot protect on the road against a good defense. A stud LT can potentially help with the running game and the protection. Schaub has talent and I think it would be a waste to give up on him now. I know he has flaws but if we keep spending all our resources on the QB position we will never get the rest of the team to where it needs to be. A LT is not dependent on the QB to be successful but a QB is dependent on the LT.

I don't think we need to spend the first to find a compliment big back. We need to draft one but not so early. Maybe if we did not have Slaton this would be worthy of a first rounder but I just cant see it with the troubles we have, especially on D.

Getting better defensively will allow us to play it a bit more conservatively but if that's the route we go Duane HAS to improve. This is the most likely scenario we will take assuming we stick with Kubiak. Of all the positions on defense a stud RE to rush the hell out of the passer opposite Mario would be ideal imo. A big impact DT would probably be a close second but honestly if there is an elite CB, safety or LBer and the value at DE/DT/LT isn't there we could use that as well.

I could imagine some scenarios where we could conceivably draft a QB or RB that high but it would pretty much shock me. I don't believe there is really much chance that we draft a LT either because I think the defense is just so shorthanded compared to the offense but anything can happen.

Corrosion
11-10-2008, 11:40 PM
If we can get the next Michael Turner at RB during FA and our defense miraculously becomes good we could go after a QB. As it is I think it'd be like treading water. I think whoever the QB is in order to succeed with our team we need to give him better protection, a more consistent running game, and better defensive play. The protection is closer to being good than the defense but honestly not by that much. We just cannot protect on the road against a good defense. A stud LT can potentially help with the running game and the protection. Schaub has talent and I think it would be a waste to give up on him now. I know he has flaws but if we keep spending all our resources on the QB position we will never get the rest of the team to where it needs to be. A LT is not dependent on the QB to be successful but a QB is dependent on the LT.

I don't think we need to spend the first to find a compliment big back. We need to draft one but not so early. Maybe if we did not have Slaton this would be worthy of a first rounder but I just cant see it with the troubles we have, especially on D.

Getting better defensively will allow us to play it a bit more conservatively but if that's the route we go Duane HAS to improve. This is the most likely scenario we will take assuming we stick with Kubiak. Of all the positions on defense a stud RE to rush the hell out of the passer opposite Mario would be ideal imo. A big impact DT would probably be a close second but honestly if there is an elite CB, safety or LBer and the value at DE/DT/LT isn't there we could use that as well.

I could imagine some scenarios where we could conceivably draft a QB or RB that high but it would pretty much shock me. I don't believe there is really much chance that we draft a LT either because I think the defense is just so shorthanded compared to the offense but anything can happen.

I'd be more inclined to give D.Brown a year and look to improve upon the interior of the line at both C and RG . We have to remember the guy is a rookie playing arguably the toughest position on the field outside of QB. The middle is where teams have beat the Texans more often than outside ..... especially teams who employ a 3-4 . Meyers and Brisel just dont have the size to start in the NFL .... which is why Denver let Meyers go for next to nothing.

As for the RB position , there's only two guy's (both underclassmen) who I see as first round talent , Knowshon Moreno and Chris Wells. If either of those guy's are available when the Texans pick .... They will have to think long and hard .Also could look at Glen Coffee , another underclassman from Georgia in the second .... Hell , they may not even declare .... which would make for a very weak RB class.

QB's .... I dont really like any of them in the first round , I'd hope that someone like Graham Harrell or Tim Tebow fell to the 4th or 5th rounds , which is where I value those players .... Although I believe both get drafted earlier ....

On defense , my top priority is a stud run stuffing space eating DT who demands a double team .... that along with Bulman or another DE either via draft or FA who can rush from the edge would likely fix a lot of the problems on the defensive side .... Its difficult to judge the secondary when opposing QB's have all day to go thru their reads ....


This team has so many holes its difficult to nail down what I would do if the draft were today and the team had a top 8 pick .... I dont think there is a DT who is worth that high a pick this coming draft (other than underclassmen). It would come down to who was on the board when the pick came up , either the best DE available .... If that player were Michael Johnson I'd probably take him , if not I'd look to trade back to the bottom third of the round and pick up either OG or C as there are a couple good ones who will be available.

JayCee
11-11-2008, 04:39 AM
whats the negatives on Harrell?

I've only seen him play OSU, so don't have much to go on.

76Texan
11-11-2008, 10:27 AM
I'm going to disagree. It's much harder to gain leverage when you're consistently shifting laterally. A LT has a much larger area to block than any guard, so I'm seeing the laws of nature side of it that says you can have the strongest guy out there, but get them moving in the wrong direction and you're not going to be able to out-muscle anyone. Only the best of the best can shift and keep their shoulders square to the defender, thus maximizing power and balance. Duane doesn't have the experience to do this but according to Kubiak, he has the athleticism and talent.

You keep talking about guys who are only 250 lbs., but consider who he's gone against. Jared Allen, KVB, Harrison, Freeney, etc. I wouldn't call any of those guys "Weak", so no shame if you get pushed back every now and then. I actually remember Salaam getting knocked on his ass (physically thrown back like a rag doll) against Allen whereas Duane did a decent job.

My point is that if Duane has the athleticism and size, along with a solid base, it would be to his benefit to give Guard a chance. I don't care if he was drafted to play LT. We should put the best 5 offensive linemen on the field at all times, and if moving Brown inside to accommodate a more "polished" LT is the case then so be it. If drafting a guard in the first two rounds is the scenario, then great! But I still see Brown as a better alternative than Briesel.I second that.

As an example, I saw Colvin giving McNeil fit last year, whether bull-rushing or off the edge.

I also saw him drive the wedge of a double team against the Jets, and push two guys back into Pennington.

Myers, as I've mentioned before, played well at Guard for the Broncos.
The additional duty at C never did serve him well.
In the passing game, he's better at picking up the blitzing LB or helping either side.
In the running game, he's better than any Guard we've ever had going up the next level.
I don't know if he will ever adapt to the C position well enough.

76Texan
11-11-2008, 10:34 AM
Also, I'd like to see if Winston can play LT. Brown was pretty good at RT in his junior year.

On another note, I know that Cleveland uses Thomas quite a bit on the right side. Sometimes they even insert a TE on the left and put Thomas on the right. I wonder why we wouldn't bring in Salaam for short yardage situation in a similar manner. I also would like Kubiak to try Okam in place of Briesel in those situations as well. :smiliedance:

El Tejano
11-11-2008, 10:40 AM
Well, I'd like to draft a referee. Until we get that position locked down we wont win any games regardless of how talented we are.

Texans34Life
11-11-2008, 10:52 AM
1-QB---I wished.

1-OLB / Brandon Spikes, Aaron Curry
2-DE / George Selvie, Tyson Jackson
3-S / Rashad Johnson
4-RG/C / Eric Wood, Max Unger
5-DT
6-BPA
7-BPA

According to J-Russ's sig, if we were picking 8th, NFLDraftCountdown's mock gives us a chance for some help at LB or S:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

gtexan02
11-11-2008, 10:55 AM
Safety, safety safety. I''ll say it again - Safety.

1 ballhawking safety can change an entire defense, and there are rarely busts in top 10 safeties.

Vinny mentioned Reggie Nelson, but he was chosen 21st, was the 3rd safety chosen, AND still had 5 INTs his first season

steelbtexan
11-11-2008, 01:21 PM
FA signings
1. Gamble
2. McAlister he's going to get cut by Balt., had knee surgery will be affordable. Can play FS

Draft
1. Cody DT Ala.
2. Brown DE Fla. St.
3. Luings C Ark
4. Taylor FS LSU
5. Matthews LB USC
6. Bell RB Colo. St.
7. Melton DE Tex. or Hunt DE Hou

Corrosion
11-11-2008, 02:12 PM
FA signings
1. Gamble
2. McAlister he's going to get cut by Balt., had knee surgery will be affordable. Can play FS

Draft
1. Cody DT Ala.
2. Brown DE Fla. St.
3. Luings C Ark
4. Taylor FS LSU
5. Matthews LB USC
6. Bell RB Colo. St.
7. Melton DE Tex. or Hunt DE Hou

I like the picks .... Just dont see many of those guy's being avaliable when the Texans pick in the rounds listed .

Luings is likely gone mid to late 2nd round , he's probably the 2nd Center taken with Alex Mack going late in the first round.

I think Taylor is taken somewhere in the mid third round .... as is Matthews.

Thorn
11-11-2008, 03:33 PM
Well, I'd like to draft a referee. Until we get that position locked down we wont win any games regardless of how talented we are.

:spit:

Actually though, we really weren't doing bad at all with penalties until the Ravens game.

Vinny
11-11-2008, 03:34 PM
Safety, safety safety. I''ll say it again - Safety.

1 ballhawking safety can change an entire defense, and there are rarely busts in top 10 safeties.

Vinny mentioned Reggie Nelson, but he was chosen 21st, was the 3rd safety chosen, AND still had 5 INTs his first seasonI used him as an example of how a FS doesn't really change a defense over, say, a 'decent' player at FS since the Jags have just gotten worse since they took him. He's a decent S but rarely does a FS become a big time difference maker on a Defense. Teams like us should never overspend on a FS. We just don't have that kind of luxury...go out and get a front 7 defender or a CB if you want to invest a top pick on your defense.

Thorn
11-11-2008, 03:41 PM
I'm always in favor of drafting linemen (of any flavor) in the first round. You can never have to many good linemen.

gtexan02
11-11-2008, 04:01 PM
I'm always in favor of drafting linemen (of any flavor) in the first round. You can never have to many good linemen.

What if you are only 1/4 at drafting lineman though?

steelbtexan
11-11-2008, 04:19 PM
I like the picks .... Just dont see many of those guy's being avaliable when the Texans pick in the rounds listed .

Luings is likely gone mid to late 2nd round , he's probably the 2nd Center taken with Alex Mack going late in the first round.

I think Taylor is taken somewhere in the mid third round .... as is Matthews.

One of the top DE's will fall into the 2nd rd I also like the DE from San Jose St.in the 2-3rd round. Cant remember his name.

GBN & NFL Draft scout has Luings dropping to the 3rd rd. but if I had to trade into the 2nd to get him I would. I also like Caldwell & Wood at C in the 3rd rd.

I may have rated Matthews to low but if he's available in the 4th rd. I would have to take him. He should be there in 4th RD.

Taylor may be there in the 4th rd due to the injury problem he has had this year. He missed the Alabama game. Another option would be Lendy Holmes from Oklahoma. He is very fast & is the best DB on the team. IMO

Yankee_In_TX
11-11-2008, 04:26 PM
Can we stop draftin rookies who are more talented than our vets and starting them on day 1? Seems to retards their progress on this team, IMHO.

Second Honeymoon
11-11-2008, 04:38 PM
With Schaub's failing health and his HUGE team-option if we are to retain him, i think its quite obvious that we need to look at QB. It looks like we will draft around 8-14 and we may get one of the top guys to drop in our lap at that spot. If a QB isn't worth the selection, then draft the best defensive player available, period.

Thorn
11-11-2008, 05:13 PM
What if you are only 1/4 at drafting lineman though?

If you're only 1/4 at drafting linemen, what makes you so sure you'll draft another position well? There are only two positions on this team I'd draft instead of a lineman in the first round next year, and that's a free safety or a stud heavy weight RB. Other than that, I'd still go for the linemen.

It's just a preferance for me is all. I believe games are won and lost at the line and a team should always keep top linemen in thier stable.

Corrosion
11-11-2008, 05:21 PM
With Schaub's failing health and his HUGE team-option if we are to retain him, i think its quite obvious that we need to look at QB. It looks like we will draft around 8-14 and we may get one of the top guys to drop in our lap at that spot. If a QB isn't worth the selection, then draft the best defensive player available, period.

I agree that QB is a position of concern .... I just dont think that ANY of the QB's coming out this year are worth a 1st round selection. Not saying that there are none I'd like to see in camp , just would not like to spend that premium pick on one of those guy's.


Seems like most of the guy's I do like are underclassmen .....


Terrence Cody (Soph) would be my number one choice if he were on the board when the Texans pick. If not I'm looking to trade back to the back end of the first round picking up the best OG followed with a pick of the top C on the board in the second .

If in fact I was able to trade back and pick up an extra #2 I'd look for the best DE and OLB on the board with the next two picks.

steelbtexan
11-11-2008, 09:09 PM
I agree with this Corrosion

In the 7-15 range Cody is my favorite pick.

If we trade down & get an extra 2nd I think it would be great to add Mack in the 1st & Luings in the 2nd. Then pick a DE with the other 2nd.

This would give us great value for our picks. We would have a great young OL that could keep our QB healthy finally & get the pass rusher we despartely need.

steelbtexan
11-11-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm excited about the speed element that Adibi is going to bring to the defense & hope Dick Smith also gives Molden more PT.

Molden cant be any worse than Reeves.

They will make mistakes but will bring speed & playmaking ability to the defense. This is something we have been sorely lacking IMO.

Kulluminatii
11-11-2008, 11:53 PM
You wouldnt take a top tier RB or QB ? ....

Sage is likely done in Houston after this season.

Schaub hasnt proven to be able to stay healthy.

Slaton cant carry the load alone , I'd like to see them land another RB , preferably a bigger guy who can pound the middle and wear a defense down.

IF Schaub isnt the answer at QB , picking one early and letting him sit behind Schaub for a year or two would be ideal from a development standpoint.

Then we still have problems on the defensive side to deal with .... Unless they fill some holes via FA , I fear we are looking at a two to three year plan.

I agree. I say we should get rid of Sage(I think that is obvious) and keep Schaub, we can easily get Pat White from WVU late in the draft(round 4-5) and let him develop for a year or two.

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His stats are decent, and I think he can do great if given the opportunity.

Like Corrosion stated, we definitely have some problems on D. If we can land Nnamdi, that would help our D greatly.