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Hervoyel
11-09-2008, 07:19 PM
Everyone's entitled to a post-humiliating loss rant and I've had one building up in me since we lost in Minnesota. It started to take form in the second quarter today when I turned off the TV and went outside to rake leaves (for the second week in a row). I did that because dammit I know what I'm looking at and today the Texans weren't going to give anyone a game.

This team is truly pitiful and you know what? I genuinely do not like them. I loved the Oilers and every time the Texans do what they do every year (which is fail in epic fashion repeatedly) I find myself cursing Bob Lanier, Bud Adams, the football gods, and every single son of a ***** in Nashville Tennessee who's sitting back and enjoying another season of watching my team play football while I have to watch this piece of crap that Bob McNair has assembled. These guys are inept and don't get any better no matter how many years and dollars and draft picks you throw at them. They suck and so far they've given us no indication that they are going to do anything long term but suck.

This is ultimately Bob McNair's pile of poo. He is a terrible NFL owner by any way that standard could possibly be measured and I'm tired of dancing around the subject. I don't care how nice he acts or how good his intentions are. **** good intentions win some damn games! Hell I don't care if you lose just field a team that plays like it has some business in the NFL! The man simply cannot pick successful management and coaches to save his life. He's found a way to bring in a second head coach who can't lead men at this level of the sport and who can't motivate or control his team. This head coach has assembled the kind of coaching staff you would expect a coordinator in over his head to assemble and that's assuming that you think Gary Kubiak is even a good coordinator. I have this sneaking suspicion that we didn't hire the offensive genius from the Broncos. We hired the Boo-Boo that got the credit for Shanahan's accomplishments. McNair has managed to bring in a second GM who throws money away on worthless free agents while ignoring players who could actually make a difference. Sure everyone has their list of players that Rick Smith has "miracled" into our midst. How many units on the field are "done"? How many are "right"? How many don't still need help? In short Bob McNair could have saved us all a lot of money and time and just stuck with horse racing (where he also lacked the necessary savy to win).

You know what? If I'd known that he was going to bring Houston a copy of the New Orleans Saints expansion team (with a better moral "core") I'd have politely asked him to take his aspirations and cart his ass to Los Angelas with his eternally losing team. "Deep Steel Blue", "Liberty White", and "Battle Red" my ass. More like "Salvation Army Blue", "We Only Sign Angels White", and "Stop The Bleeding Red" if you ask me.

When the Houston Oilers lost to the Buffalo Bills in "The Comeback" the city of Houston became a laughing stock around the NFL. It hurt and it continued to hurt but you know what? It would be over today if the Oilers had stayed in town. The city of Nashville is enjoying their 9th non-losing season in 12 years. Meanwhile we've had 5 years of no football, 6 years of losing football, and one year of .500 football that we got simply because the Jacksonville Jaguars couldn't be bothered to try in the last game of 2007. I'd say that the Houston Texans are well on their way to making the world forget "The Comeback" and giving Houston fans a whole new reason to feel like the rest of the league is laughing their butts off at our expense.

Screw this, I want my Oilers back. I want these bums gone and yes my friends this is a team filled from top to bottom with "bums". On defense we have the likes of Anthony Weaver and Travis Johnson who are both fat stupid slugs who wouldn't be starting for any team in the NFL today if the Texans didn't exist. In the linebacking corps we have Morlon Greenwood who is also a slow stupid slug with no business on the field. On any other team he would at best be hanging around as depth. Reeves, Faggins, and just about every player who has every suited up and attempted to play either of the safety positions for the Texans all belong in Arena football with their coach who apparently has signed some kind of deal with the devil allowing him to remain employed until the end of time regardless of how poor a secondary he fields. I'm speaking of Hoke of course. How this man remains employed is a mystery to me. The architect of this abortion we call a defense is still employed for some reason and isn't going anywhere this year. I understand this but I also understand that while I can't send Richard Smith packing I can walk away myself. I can't make them change what they're doing but I can certainly refuse to support it or watch it.

On the offensive side I am disgusted that we appear to be the only NFL team that Alex Gibbs cannot seem to find a way to make run the ball. We exploded for a stunning 75 yards today which I'm sure makes the offensive line proud as punch. This is because frankly our line is crap. Brown being a rookie I can understand some struggling but Pitts is just a guy with the physical tools who lacks the mentality to dominate. Myers is grossly overmatched and those of us who were suspicious of the cheap price we paid for him (I wasn't among you) were right. He's worthless and whatever the Broncos got for the 5 we gave them was worth more than this guy. Brisiel isn't even quality depth. He's worthless. The entire center of our line is either too small, too "nice", too lacking in talent, or all of the above. On top of it all they'll pretty much pick you up and dust you off after you cheap shot their QB because they're so damned oblivious to what's going on around them that they won't find out that you did it until they see the tape or a reporter tells them about it after the game.

We need a running back who can move the chains. Slaton is fine for what he is (change of pace back and that's about it) but he's not even close to being a starter in the NFL. Compared to Slaton Domanick Davis was Emmitt ****ing Smith. WR & TE is about the only spot we're good and deep at.

QB is a mess. Even if Schaub is what he's supposed to be we can't keep the guy on the field and Rosenfels is in the process of trying to see what it takes to play himself off the Texans and out of the league (because we are literally the last stop for lousy players).

I tell you people Houston football fans have been screwed bigtime by getting this crap dumped on us. There's a reason for the local persecution complex Texans fans seem to have. We've been robbed. We've been gyped. We had a team that was ours and it was taken from us and in it's place we've been given this shining steamy turd and told it was steak. Do any of you see any way that this turns out "ok"? How do you see that? How do you justify that faith? I can't.

What's worse to me is that I don't even see any point in this dumb shit trying to improve his team. McNair can't do this. He's no good at it. About the only chance this clown has of hiring a good coach or GM is to find one whose already been successful somewhere else. Stick to the proven retreads Bob, even you can manage that I hope.

And that's my rant.

Norg
11-09-2008, 07:23 PM
THe oilers have turned to the darkside we cant have them back

We must Live and die with the Texans now and see how things are going Death will be coming soon

Brando
11-09-2008, 07:23 PM
Everyone's entitled to a post-humiliating loss rant and I've had one building up in me since we lost in Minnesota. It started to take form in the second quarter today when I turned off the TV and went outside to rake leaves (for the second week in a row). I did that because dammit I know what I'm looking at and today the Texans weren't going to give anyone a game.

This team is truly pitiful and you know what? I genuinely do not like them. I loved the Oilers and every time the Texans do what they do every year (which is fail in epic fashion repeatedly) I find myself cursing Bob Lanier, Bud Adams, the football gods, and every single son of a ***** in Nashville Tennessee who's sitting back and enjoying another season of watching my team play football while I have to watch this piece of crap that Bob McNair has assembled. These guys are inept and don't get any better no matter how many years and dollars and draft picks you throw at them. They suck and so far they've given us no indication that they are going to do anything long term but suck.

This is ultimately Bob McNair's pile of poo. He is a terrible NFL owner by any way that standard could possibly be measured and I'm tired of dancing around the subject. I don't care how nice he acts or how good his intentions are. **** good intentions win some damn games! Hell I don't care if you lose just field a team that plays like it has some business in the NFL! The man simply cannot pick successful management and coaches to save his life. He's found a way to bring in a second head coach who can't lead men at this level of the sport and who can't motivate or control his team. This head coach has assembled the kind of coaching staff you would expect a coordinator in over his head to assemble and that's assuming that you think Gary Kubiak is even a good coordinator. I have this sneaking suspicion that we didn't hire the offensive genius from the Broncos. We hired the Boo-Boo that got the credit for Shanahan's accomplishments. McNair has managed to bring in a second GM who throws money away on worthless free agents while ignoring players who could actually make a difference. Sure everyone has their list of players that Rick Smith has "miracled" into our midst. How many units on the field are "done"? How many are "right"? How many don't still need help? In short Bob McNair could have saved us all a lot of money and time and just stuck with horse racing (where he also lacked the necessary savy to win).

You know what? If I'd known that he was going to bring Houston a copy of the New Orleans Saints expansion team (with a better moral "core") I'd have politely asked him to take his aspirations and cart his ass to Los Angelas with his eternally losing team. "Deep Steel Blue", "Liberty White", and "Battle Red" my ass. More like "Salvation Army Blue", "We Only Sign Angels White", and "Stop The Bleeding Red" if you ask me.

When the Houston Oilers lost to the Buffalo Bills in "The Comeback" the city of Houston became a laughing stock around the NFL. It hurt and it continued to hurt but you know what? It would be over today if the Oilers had stayed in town. The city of Nashville is enjoying their 9th non-losing season in 12 years. Meanwhile we've had 5 years of no football, 6 years of losing football, and one year of .500 football that we got simply because the Jacksonville Jaguars couldn't be bothered to try in the last game of 2007. I'd say that the Houston Texans are well on their way to making the world forget "The Comeback" and giving Houston fans a whole new reason to feel like the rest of the league is laughing their butts off at our expense.

Screw this, I want my Oilers back. I want these bums gone and yes my friends this is a team filled from top to bottom with "bums". On defense we have the likes of Anthony Weaver and Travis Johnson who are both fat stupid slugs who wouldn't be starting for any team in the NFL today if the Texans didn't exist. In the linebacking corps we have Morlon Greenwood who is also a slow stupid slug with no business on the field. On any other team he would at best be hanging around as depth. Reeves, Faggins, and just about every player who has every suited up and attempted to play either of the safety positions for the Texans all belong in Arena football with their coach who apparently has signed some kind of deal with the devil allowing him to remain employed until the end of time regardless of how poor a secondary he fields. I'm speaking of Hoke of course. How this man remains employed is a mystery to me. The architect of this abortion we call a defense is still employed for some reason and isn't going anywhere this year. I understand this but I also understand that while I can't send Richard Smith packing I can walk away myself. I can't make them change what they're doing but I can certainly refuse to support it or watch it.

On the offensive side I am disgusted that we appear to be the only NFL team that Alex Gibbs cannot seem to find a way to make run the ball. We exploded for a stunning 75 yards today which I'm sure makes the offensive line proud as punch. This is because frankly our line is crap. Brown being a rookie I can understand some struggling but Pitts is just a guy with the physical tools who lacks the mentality to dominate. Myers is grossly overmatched and those of us who were suspicious of the cheap price we paid for him (I wasn't among you) were right. He's worthless and whatever the Broncos got for the 5 we gave them was worth more than this guy. Brisiel isn't even quality depth. He's worthless. The entire center of our line is either too small, too "nice", too lacking in talent, or all of the above. On top of it all they'll pretty much pick you up and dust you off after you cheap shot their QB because they're so damned oblivious to what's going on around them that they won't find out that you did it until they see the tape or a reporter tells them about it after the game.

We need a running back who can move the chains. Slaton is fine for what he is (change of pace back and that's about it) but he's not even close to being a starter in the NFL. Compared to Slaton Domanick Davis was Emmitt ****ing Smith. WR & TE is about the only spot we're good and deep at.

QB is a mess. Even if Schaub is what he's supposed to be we can't keep the guy on the field and Rosenfels is in the process of trying to see what it takes to play himself off the Texans and out of the league (because we are literally the last stop for lousy players).

I tell you people Houston football fans have been screwed bigtime by getting this crap dumped on us. There's a reason for the local persecution complex Texans fans seem to have. We've been robbed. We've been gyped. We had a team that was ours and it was taken from us and in it's place we've been given this shining steamy turd and told it was steak. Do any of you see any way that this turns out "ok"? How do you see that? How do you justify that faith? I can't.

What's worse to me is that I don't even see any point in this dumb shit trying to improve his team. McNair can't do this. He's no good at it. About the only chance this clown has of hiring a good coach or GM is to find one whose already been successful somewhere else. Stick to the proven retreads Bob, even you can manage that I hope.

And that's my rant.

:tiphat: Great post and I feel like I did last year when we lost to the Chargers. I want some major changes made. I'm sick of being sick because of my team.

FirstTexansFan
11-09-2008, 07:26 PM
Can I get an AMEN? Rep bro :)

edit: Can't rep him, somebody do that for me please :)

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 07:32 PM
Its a lot like having a 1966 GTO and having your dad sell it to your neighbor. Then your dad turning around and buying you a 1995 Ford Escort and getting to watch your neighbor drive off to work in what was your goat.

b0ng
11-09-2008, 07:35 PM
I still like having NFL Football in Houston :(

Hervoyel
11-09-2008, 07:39 PM
I still like having NFL Football in Houston :(

When did it come back?

Check that, I see that a game is played 8 times a year here during the fall. When do we get a team?

V Man
11-09-2008, 07:39 PM
Wow, what a post. It is so close to how I feel. Thanks for the rank, I feel like I am not alone anymore.

ObsiWan
11-09-2008, 07:51 PM
You know what? If I'd known that he was going to bring Houston a copy of the New Orleans Saints expansion team (with a better moral "core") I'd have politely asked him to take his aspirations and cart his ass to Los Angelas with his eternally losing team. "Deep Steel Blue", "Liberty White", and "Battle Red" my ass. More like "Salvation Army Blue", "We Only Sign Angels White", and "Stop The Bleeding Red" if you ask me.

Priceless!!

ATXtexanfan
11-09-2008, 07:53 PM
Wow, what a post. It is so close to how I feel. Thanks for the rank, I feel like I am not alone anymore.

F the oilers, I quit them when they quit me, texans are more fun than any other h-town team

Hervoyel
11-09-2008, 07:58 PM
F the oilers, I quit them when they quit me, texans are more fun than any other h-town team


HAHAHAHAHAHAA!

You got a strange definition of "fun" dude.

I quit them too when they left. I guess that pretty much means I'm without a professional team since the Texans suck like nobody's business.

eriadoc
11-09-2008, 08:24 PM
Well, I can't agree 100% with everything you said, but I definitely feel you. And I'll add that I am really happy I sold my tickets. After 6.5 years of utter futility, I am extremely happy to be spending my money on more productive things, like .... anything else, actually.

J-Russ
11-09-2008, 08:27 PM
If every Texan's fans chipped in a hundred dollar, maybe we can buy the Texans from McNair...

Let the "Save Our Texans" Foundation begin.

gwallaia
11-09-2008, 08:29 PM
F the oilers, I quit them when they quit me, texans are more fun than any other h-town team

:cricket::cricket:

RTP2110
11-09-2008, 08:48 PM
On defense we have the likes of Anthony Weaver and Travis Johnson who are both fat stupid slugs who wouldn't be starting for any team in the NFL today if the Texans didn't exist. In the linebacking corps we have Morlon Greenwood who is also a slow stupid slug with no business on the field.


Epic post:goodpost:

Jackie Chiles
11-09-2008, 08:52 PM
Morlon has been taking coverage lessons from Reeves. Reeves actually had two of his better plays of the season early in this game but I'm so sick of watching our defense in general. Maybe we need to switch up the uniform color and go camo with green helmets. Maybe we can fool the other QB into throwing a pick every now and then.

Hookem Horns
11-09-2008, 09:05 PM
While I hated it when it first happened I can definitely say I am glad that my family left Houston and moved to New York when I was 13 years old. Having lived up there all those years gave me other rooting interests besides Houston. Houston football (both the Oilers and Texans) has brought me no joy whatsoever in a lifetime.

Every other sports team I follow has done something at some point in my life. NY Rangers won the Cup in 94, NY Giants won Super Bowls in 86, 90, 08, LA Dodgers won WS in 81, 88, Houston Rockets won it all in 94, 95. Oh, almost forgot, U of Texas won the NC in 2005.

My only sports fan futility has been at the hands of both Houston NFL teams. The Houston Oilers always choked and pissed me off year after year (do you really miss that?) and the Texans have never resembled an NFL team much less a playoff team.

beerlover
11-09-2008, 09:18 PM
Myers is grossly overmatched and those of us who were suspicious of the cheap price we paid for him (I wasn't among you) were right. He's worthless and whatever the Broncos got for the 5 we gave them was worth more than this guy.

it was a 6th rd pick (#183) & his name is Spencer Larson a LB who was moved to FB & as of yet, done nothing. did notice one interesting facet from search, that Greg Eslinger, C is on Denver's practice squad (was aquired in the offseason as free agent from Denver, in fall camp the released back to Denver to replace Myers).

Hervoyel, you about summed everything up in a single post otherwise :goodpost:

MEGA SWATT
11-09-2008, 09:27 PM
in bad times and in good times (to come) I support my Texans:texflag:

Blake
11-09-2008, 09:38 PM
This is why you dont let your NFL franchise leave town. 6 years of no football, then we get a franchise called the Texans (****ing hate that name) and then you get the crap from other teams to create a new franchise.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. At least the Browns got to keep their name. They didnt have to create a new name like the Cleveland Buckeyes.

The Texans have the worst name in the NFL and arent doing anything to change anyones perception about it.

Blake
11-09-2008, 09:39 PM
in bad times and in good times (to come) I support my Texans:texflag:

I think your in the wrong thread. :P

The1ApplePie
11-09-2008, 09:42 PM
The only real memory I have of the Oilers is when they were a joke of a franchise.

I was amazed how the "Comeback" basically sealed the fate of an entire franchise

Texan Asylum
11-09-2008, 09:45 PM
When the Oilers left town, I tried my darnedest to find a team to root for, even the dreaded enemy themselves! But could never find the heart required to root for any other besides my beloved Oilers.

Then came along the Texans. My heart was renewed! But now, oh these this many years later, the heart is slowing starting to die.

I can't take it hardly any longer. I miss my old team. I miss the rush of a good old fashioned butt kicking. I know, they left me hanging through some epic chokes, but there was always hope. I can't see hope with this bunch. We have very few play-makers, and I fear that once the rest of the 'team' and staff gets their collective heads out of their butts (IF they ever do), I fear that those few talents we do have, will have moved on or have gone past their prime.

Funny thing came to mind before I posted this response. I was thinking how long my Texans gear (shirts and such) has lasted, and then it dawned on me...it's hard to muster the pride it takes to wear such apparel for such a flawed product. Sad to think of one's team as that, a product, but this team has taught me that.

p.s...great post Herv and rep your way. Sadly, it's the truth, and that's not a good thing.

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 10:00 PM
The only real memory I have of the Oilers is when they were a joke of a franchise.

I was amazed how the "Comeback" basically sealed the fate of an entire franchise

I think Joe Montana had something to do with that as well.

imatexan
11-09-2008, 10:07 PM
I would rather get my legs chopped off then wish for the Oilers back.

I hated the Oilers, the stupid name(at least Texans is something we can relate too!),the stupid logo, the stupid colors, the crap on the field, the terrible fans of what I remember, everything about them.

I have loved the Texans since they were announced and my passion for them will be there win or loss.

I thank Bob for giving us a beautiful stadium and a NFL football team, dont know what I would do if we did not have them. Maybe he isnt the best owner, but he cared for the city of Houston and he wanted the NFL back. Was he in this for the money? HAha no. (Yes I realize we helped build the stadium also but no one was willing to put of the money Bob did)

I find this post offensive and its a shame if you ever call yourself a Texans fan. As should all the REAL Texans fans in this place, but as already proved there will already be many who praise this hate of the team. I can understand the frustration, I was VERY today but hating the team is a different story.

We have a team Hervoyel, they are the Houston Texans and they have sold out 70 straight games and why it is tough being a Texans fans, it is ONE of the joys in my life and many others.

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 10:38 PM
I find this post offensive and its a shame if you ever call yourself a Texans fan. As should all the REAL Texans fans in this place, but as already proved there will already be many who praise this hate of the team. I can understand the frustration, I was VERY today but hating the team is a different story.

Please don't give us the "REAL FAN" crap. For that go to HT.com and you can argue with all the sixteen year olds who deem themselves "TRUE" fans of the Texans and everyone else are pig droppings for saying the slightest thing offensive or negative about the Texans.



We have a team Hervoyel, they are the Houston Texans and they have sold out 70 straight games and why it is tough being a Texans fans, it is ONE of the joys in my life and many others.


I am watching the Eagles/Giants game right now. If you want to know what a real team looks like watch. Our team is no where near the caliber of either team.

Its been 7 years, we have played 121 games, we have 35 wins and 86 losses.

And that whole consecutive sell out thing is a sham. The deal with the city was a guaranteed 5 years of sell outs and the corp sponsors have bought every ticket since. Do you go to the games? Watch them on TV? These game are not sold out. The stadium is 3/4 full at best..

imatexan
11-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Actually I do go to the games, have been to almost every since the start. Well whoever buys the tickets the fact is it has been sold out, I know people who are still on the waiting list for tickets.

If you do not like your team, your are not a real fan. Plain and simple.Why cant sixteen year old be true fans? You are going off age now if you can be a fan or not? Very sad if that is the case.

TexansFight
11-09-2008, 10:44 PM
I would rather get my legs chopped off then wish for the Oilers back.

I hated the Oilers, the stupid name(at least Texans is something we can relate too!),the stupid logo, the stupid colors, the crap on the field, the terrible fans of what I remember, everything about them.

I have loved the Texans since they were announced and my passion for them will be there win or loss.

I thank Bob for giving us a beautiful stadium and a NFL football team, dont know what I would do if we did not have them. Maybe he isnt the best owner, but he cared for the city of Houston and he wanted the NFL back. Was he in this for the money? HAha no. (Yes I realize we helped build the stadium also but no one was willing to put of the money Bob did)

I find this post offensive and its a shame if you ever call yourself a Texans fan. As should all the REAL Texans fans in this place, but as already proved there will already be many who praise this hate of the team. I can understand the frustration, I was VERY today but hating the team is a different story.

We have a team Hervoyel, they are the Houston Texans and they have sold out 70 straight games and why it is tough being a Texans fans, it is ONE of the joys in my life and many others.

How old are you? 15 maybe? I feel sorry for you that you feel that way about the Oilers. what you said was patently idiotic.

Also, you should shut the hell up and take your real Texans fan crap somewhere else. Hervoyel has been around a LONG ASS time. For those of us like Herv who have a frame of reference of remembering PLAYOFF TEAMS here in Houston, the crap weare being fed right now is even more gallin Since you appear to be a snot nosed kid, you apparently don't know any better. For those of us who are od enough to remember the Oilers, we have fond memories of kick ass PLAYOFF TEAMS.

Herv, great post, rep definitely coming your way from me. I am 33 years old and grew up going to Oilers games. My folks had season tickets. The Oilers were literally my first love. I lived and died with that team. My most favorite thing in the world was to go to games in the Dome. I was there for the House of Pain years and the 7 straight playoff seasons.

I really cherish those memories and miss the excitement and joy I used to get following the Oilers. Of course, they broke my heart in the playoffs but they at least were interesting and good.

I hate both Bud Adams and Bob Lanier in the sordid mess that led to OUR team moving. The Texans are way too corporate and blah. The Oilers had a connection with this town that you can't manufacture with liberty white day and whatever stupid commemorative days they put on. Bum's Oilers were overachieving guys that this blue collar town could relate to.

Hookem Horns
11-09-2008, 10:49 PM
For the most part the old Oilers fans are the Texans fans. I think most here over 30 were Oilers fans.

However I don't know which is worse, having a team like the Oilers that were always just good enough to get your hopes up only to crush you come playoff time, or a team like the Texans where you don't expect anything and losing is just another typical Sunday.

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Actually I do go to the games, have been to almost every since the start. Well whoever buys the tickets the fact is it has been sold out, I know people who are still on the waiting list for tickets.

If you do not like your team, your are not a real fan. Plain and simple.Why cant sixteen year old be true fans? You are going off age now if you can be a fan or not? Very sad if that is the case.

You can hate your team and still be a true fan. This team sucks like all the other teams that have worn the bull head. You can't deny that. People don't go to the games, you can't deny that either. Empty seats at every game.

Question. If this team does not care about itself or the fans than why should the fans care about this team?

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 10:54 PM
For the most part the old Oilers fans are the Texans fans. I think most here over 30 were Oilers fans.

However I don't know which is worse, having a team like the Oilers that were always just good enough to get your hopes up only to crush you come playoff time, or a team like the Texans where you don't expect anything and losing is just another typical Sunday.

I would say it is better to have loved and lost than never loved at all.

imatexan
11-09-2008, 10:55 PM
I am not a kid first off. Get your facts straight. I am also not idiotic, thanks for the name calling real nice. I should shut the hell up? Sorry for being a Texans fan on a Texans fan site.


Not being old enough too remember the playoffs because the oilers sucked makes me a snot nose kid?

It makes me sad that a fellow Texan fan would name call someone for sticking up for his team. I really did expect more, maybe I should not have.

I do not have anything personal against Herv, he posted what he thought and I posted my feelings.

GNTLEWOLF
11-09-2008, 10:57 PM
How old are you? 15 maybe? I feel sorry for you that you feel that way about the Oilers. what you said was patently idiotic.

Also, you should shut the hell up and take your real Texans fan crap somewhere else. Hervoyel has been around a LONG ASS time. For those of us like Herv who have a frame of reference of remembering PLAYOFF TEAMS here in Houston, the crap weare being fed right now is even more gallin Since you appear to be a snot nosed kid, you apparently don't know any better. For those of us who are od enough to remember the Oilers, we have fond memories of kick ass PLAYOFF TEAMS.

Herv, great post, rep definitely coming your way from me. I am 33 years old and grew up going to Oilers games. My folks had season tickets. The Oilers were literally my first love. I lived and died with that team. My most favorite thing in the world was to go to games in the Dome. I was there for the House of Pain years and the 7 straight playoff seasons.

I really cherish those memories and miss the excitement and joy I used to get following the Oilers. Of course, they broke my heart in the playoffs but they at least were interesting and good.
I hate both Bud Adams and Bob Lanier in the sordid mess that led to OUR team moving. The Texans are way too corporate and blah. The Oilers had a connection with this town that you can't manufacture with liberty white day and whatever stupid commemorative days they put on. Bum's Oilers were overachieving guys that this blue collar town could relate to.


Amen and Amen! I love your fire! I never lived in Houston. I was a small child when the AFL was new and The Oilers were its first champions. I was always needing a Texas team to be for and living in East Texas all you heard was Cowboys this and cowboys that. I learned early that cowpie fans are obnoxious...the most obnoxious anywhere. I loved the oilers. I too miss their blue collar ethic and coaches that one could see ones self watching a Sunday game with. They were regular people. And they played with passion and heart. When football came back to Houston I rejoiced! I had missed having a Texas team, but this team has sickened me from the beginning. The coaching has been sub-par and without passion, the draft choices have under-acheived, and the free agent aquisitions look like some one is using the old dart board method of choosing. Nothing makes sense. I am and will be a Texans fan, but I too miss those Oilers. Well said herv and Texansfight. Rep to both.

Marcus
11-09-2008, 11:26 PM
Wow Herv . . . didn't know you had it in you. :)

If I could borrow one blurb in your rant ....

When the Houston Oilers lost to the Buffalo Bills in "The Comeback" the city of Houston became a laughing stock around the NFL. It hurt and it continued to hurt but you know what? . . .

Pssst. Hey Herv. If "The Comeback" hadn't occured, the Houston Oilers would still be here.

Just thought I'd . . . bring ya up to speed. :winky:

texanhead08
11-10-2008, 12:02 AM
The Oilers broke the fans hearts in January. The Texans have learned to do that before Thanksgiving most years. The Oilers choked in the playoffs and the Texans have choked in the regular season. It sucks either way. The one bonus we have is we don't have to look at Bottom Line Bud every year.

atxlaurie
11-10-2008, 12:31 AM
For the most part the old Oilers fans are the Texans fans. I think most here over 30 were Oilers fans.

However I don't know which is worse, having a team like the Oilers that were always just good enough to get your hopes up only to crush you come playoff time, or a team like the Texans where you don't expect anything and losing is just another typical Sunday.

That's a good question. But losing the Oilers was probably the biggest heart break of all. I'll never get over it and can never like the titans. Bud will roast big time for taking our team, all because he got his knickers in a twist because the richie-riches of Houston wouldn't include him in their world. He was always an outsider in Houston and when he couldn't get his stadium and all the illuminati in Houston turned their backs on him, he took his toys and ran. The people that got hurt the most were the fans. Sad. very sad.

YellerLotYeller
11-10-2008, 01:17 AM
This thread is officially on suicide watch.

Norg
11-10-2008, 01:22 AM
This is why you dont let your NFL franchise leave town. 6 years of no football, then we get a franchise called the Texans (****ing hate that name) and then you get the crap from other teams to create a new franchise.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. At least the Browns got to keep their name. They didnt have to create a new name like the Cleveland Buckeyes.

The Texans have the worst name in the NFL and arent doing anything to change anyones perception about it.

I would disagree with that

Buffalo bills-Never seen a buffalo in NY i dont know about u and there symbol looks dated

Balty Ravens- Yes cool name but symbol looks like a Rat Bird

Chiny bengals-First of all the entire state of Ohio is lame and i have never seen a bengal cat in Ohio

Tenn TItans-Symbol looks like a redneck hot rod decal symbol

and then u got San fransisco 49ers- what does the 49ers even mean ????

I dont think we got the worst name in football it makes since we are the Houston texans the team is in Texas thus we are texans Duh and its hard to make a diss name for "Texans" unlike Cowboys or thus Cowgirls

Norg
11-10-2008, 01:27 AM
and some people Under the age of 30 right now where 2 young to remember the texans or to young to be avid fans

I see myself more has a die hard texans fan and will diss the way things are going but iam just so used to losing iam just glad we have a NFL team in houston and dont want it to see it go away

and we win games

6-10
8-8

and this season

its not like we dont win less then 5 games every season

YellerLotYeller
11-10-2008, 01:27 AM
I dont think we got the worst name in football it makes since we are the Houston texans the team is in Texas thus we are texans Duh and its hard to make a diss name for "Texans" unlike Cowboys or thus Cowgirls

I love the name/logo of the team, but that's the only thing that makes us look like an NFL team on the field right now.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 02:46 AM
our team is soft...and they are very much indeed hard to watch if you have been a long time NFL fan and have a few experiences to compare it to. Nothing like a soft, finesse team that gives up 30+ points a game to stoke the fires of real NFL fans....blech. Excuse me if I can't get into a rah rah homer mentality when watching an awful product, with awful coaching and awful ongoing personnel evaluation. Deeds not words? Don't make me laugh.

BigWig
11-10-2008, 08:59 AM
Its just getting harder and harder to watch. I have the NFL Ticket and found myself watching the other games instead of the Texans. Its also getting harder to take the let down or feeling of always losing. I bought season tix and PSL's in the Bullpen and went to every game the first 5 years, driving 3 hrs each way to make it a 12 hour day every sunday, but after 5 years of dealing with the numerous bad moves and blunders and losse I sold my tix. Its just easier dealing with losing and looking so bad when you don't have to drive back home.
I don't really miss the Oilers, althouhg there were mor fun times with them than the Texans it seems, really not sure.
After yesterday I found myself, questioning whether I would even watch the next game or spend time with my daughter, I think that may be a no brainer.
After all I got a dvr and if I feel like O need some depression in my life I can always go back and watch it.

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 11:40 AM
I would rather get my legs chopped off then wish for the Oilers back.

I hated the Oilers, the stupid name(at least Texans is something we can relate too!),the stupid logo, the stupid colors, the crap on the field, the terrible fans of what I remember, everything about them.

I feel very differently about the name "Oilers" and what it means. It's a name that every Houstonian can identify with and it belongs in the pantheon of classic NFL names like Packers, Cowboys, and Steelers. It doesn't just give us a tough sounding label, it describes the people of this region. It's what many of us (or our ancestors) have done for a living and it has genuine local significance. "Texans" in no way captures this. It's a generic corporate sell-out designed to maximize profits by appealing to an entire state as opposed to a single city. It's a careful play on your patriotism and pride done entirely to seperate you from your dollars. "Oilers" meant something but "Texans" doesn't mean a damned thing (and this is coming from a native Texan mind you). "Texans" is just our version of "Titans" if you ask me. It's a name that was picked from the bottom of an empty well after the rest of the NFL had picked what they want. It's the "Mr Irrellevent" of team names.

I have loved the Texans since they were announced and my passion for them will be there win or loss.

I thank Bob for giving us a beautiful stadium and a NFL football team, dont know what I would do if we did not have them. Maybe he isnt the best owner, but he cared for the city of Houston and he wanted the NFL back. Was he in this for the money? HAha no. (Yes I realize we helped build the stadium also but no one was willing to put of the money Bob did)

This is a great statement and I can respect that you feel this way. I too appreciate what Bob McNair did to get an NFL team but I understand that not everyone who can afford an NFL franchise is going to be good at running one and I've got a lifetime of experience watching the Detroit Lions and Cincinnati Bengals of the world dwell in the bottom of their respective divisions. That's a fate I'd wish on no fan and certainly not one who is as willing to embrace a team as you are. Again I'm conceding that you are far more passionate about the Texans than I will ever be. I've got no issue with your enthusiasm. I think you are a bit on the naive side if you think that Bob McNair isn't in this for the money. The Texans are from top to bottom entirely about the money as is the entire NFL today. The league I watched grow into the greatest in sports isn't anything like what I'm watching today. This league is cold and corporate and filled with unabashed greed.

I find this post offensive and its a shame if you ever call yourself a Texans fan. As should all the REAL Texans fans in this place, but as already proved there will already be many who praise this hate of the team. I can understand the frustration, I was VERY today but hating the team is a different story.

I've never felt the need to define myself by what I'm a fan of. I'm a fan of Pecan pie but I don't get upset if all they have is Apple. I'm a fan of Pontiac muscle cars but I enjoyed driving my Mazda Protoge when that was all I could afford. I've hung around for years waiting to see progress and observed nothing but incompetence and frustration and I'm still drawn to the television set every Sunday to see if maybe this week a team worth investing my time and interest in might show up. I don't know if I'd call myself a "REAL fan" or not. I definitely have a disorder of some sort for still caring but I won't care forever. Why would I even consider doing that? The National Football League is "entertainment" and entertainment that doesn't entertain is kind of pointless isn't it? Entertainment that makes you angry most Sundays is not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination. I said I don't like this team and I meant it. How many of you guys "like" people who have let you down year after year after year? How many of you like music by musicians who always sell you lousy albums? How many of you enjoy films by directors who always make bad films?

Don't confuse criticism with hate. I don't hate the team. I just don't blindly support everything they do indefinitely (and I'm not saying you do so don't take it that way). If I didn't care I'd be silent, not bitching.

We have a team Hervoyel, they are the Houston Texans and they have sold out 70 straight games and why it is tough being a Texans fans, it is ONE of the joys in my life and many others.

70 straight games sounds like a lot of money for Bob McNair if you ask me. I've gone to a few of those games myself over the years and I've got some observations from those trips. I'm not a season ticket holder. I've probably only bought tickets to 4-5 games in that time. I've gone to games at no cost many times because friends have asked me and they had seats that they either weren't using or they had access to seats that some corporation wasn't using. Sellouts are not filled stadiums and empty seats aren't hard to see. When Bob McNair got the team he was guaranteed 5 years of sellout games. That's not fan loyalty, that's a business deal. The deal is over but in that time the Texans have given us precious little to inspire our continued support.

I don't want to call you out about any of this but I don't agree with you and don't care very much that you find my words offensive. I don't find yours to be so.

Wolf
11-10-2008, 11:57 AM
nice post herv

after looking at the scores yesterday

one thing that stood out to me..
the ****ing falcons are 6-3 and the Texans just got blown out

even the dolphins are 5-4

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 12:03 PM
nice post herv

after looking at the scores yesterday

one thing that stood out to me..
the ****ing falcons are 6-3 and the Texans just got blown out

even the dolphins are 5-4

Exactly what I'm talking about. In the years since the Texans arrived in 2002 we've seen teams go from good to bad and back again (Tennessee for example) and "reload" instead of rebuilding. We've seen teams rebuild (Miami). We've seen bad teams rise and fall back down (Cincinnati for example).

Here though very little ever changes. We look weak, we look soft, and we look incompetent just like we do every single year. We always look like we're a draft or two away or we're just a few months or years from gelling. We always look like we need to replace one or two coaches.

We always look like nobody is in the wheelhouse steering the ship. Who owns this ship?

Texans_Chick
11-10-2008, 12:07 PM
On the offensive side I am disgusted that we appear to be the only NFL team that Alex Gibbs cannot seem to find a way to make run the ball. We exploded for a stunning 75 yards today which I'm sure makes the offensive line proud as punch. This is because frankly our line is crap. Brown being a rookie I can understand some struggling but Pitts is just a guy with the physical tools who lacks the mentality to dominate. Myers is grossly overmatched and those of us who were suspicious of the cheap price we paid for him (I wasn't among you) were right. He's worthless and whatever the Broncos got for the 5 we gave them was worth more than this guy. Brisiel isn't even quality depth. He's worthless. The entire center of our line is either too small, too "nice", too lacking in talent, or all of the above. On top of it all they'll pretty much pick you up and dust you off after you cheap shot their QB because they're so damned oblivious to what's going on around them that they won't find out that you did it until they see the tape or a reporter tells them about it after the game.

Interesting rant.

Actually, the Texans running game IS meeting the standards that running games do under Alex Gibbs (at least prior to that game).....except that the Texans are doing as many run attempts.

Check out the interesting half way mark stats here (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-6-44/Texans-running-better--still-not-at-Gibbs--pace.html).

I didn't have a rant in me because it's like kicking puppies, but here is my post game that focuses a lot on the run (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2008/11/ravens_destroy_texans_runget_t.html).

I think I may do a post on the Chron noodling around what the Texans need to do both short term and long term. If any one wants to add any realistic suggestions, please feel to add them on to the current Chron.com post in the above link.

cowbellm00
11-10-2008, 12:07 PM
The city of Nashville is enjoying their 9th non-losing season in 12 years. Meanwhile we've had 5 years of no football, 6 years of losing football, and one year of .500 football that we got simply because the Jacksonville Jaguars couldn't be bothered to try in the last game of 2007.



Wow dude, that really put's it into perspective for me.

Wolf
11-10-2008, 12:24 PM
my blood pressure has gone up I think .. I am so tempted to email the Texans (not that it would do any good).

Basically state that this offseason.. GET THE DEFENSE FIXED.. Get someone in here that will give this defense an identity ... You have these young guys (mario and demeco,okoye,okam) that need someone to teach them NOW .. before their learning curve is stunted (if it hasn't already)

I find it humorous that say steve Mckinney and some others got released because production didn't match their pay scale .and rightfullly so.. there are certain players on the defensive side that are making more money then their production.. this offseason they need to address that. I am not saying the guys aren't playing hard and I don't blame them for getting paid what they do, but production isn't there


way this team is going, it is going to be like most of Dan Marino's dolphins.. no defense and no running game yet have the receivers that are as good as any in the league... oh and yeah... we don't have a QB under center that could compare to Marino maybe Don Strock

Key on the half hearted joke on last paragraph is .. no running game and no defense
That wins championships

texanhead08
11-10-2008, 12:24 PM
and then u got San fransisco 49ers- what does the 49ers even mean ????




Gold was discovered in the SF area in 1849 thus the name of the people who mined for it was 49ers. I guess you failed that part of US History.

drewmar74
11-10-2008, 12:32 PM
and then u got San fransisco 49ers- what does the 49ers even mean ????


Really?


Seriously?


California gold rush of 1849?

JohnsonFan - is that you?

spurstexanstros
11-10-2008, 12:57 PM
F the oilers, I quit them when they quit me, texans are more fun than any other h-town team

Amen..... at least with the Texans you dont spend 180 or 82 games for them to flame out at the end of the year.

the OP's rant on how much they missed the oilers....well part of it is on you fans in Houston. I know what bud did and i applaud you telling him to hit the road. It was a combination of bad ownership and bad fan support that led to the oilers exit.
The titans sucess is not because of Bud (mostly) resides in fischers hands. he has been consitant since the day he was hired. The Texans need consitancy and not change strides every 4 years. I am just as frustrated as you, but cmon....you should remeber what it was like with no football. i live in a city that would kill to have a team, even if it sucks.
I see you guys making the same mistake again and making the same accusations... I would really hate to see yall loose another team..cause it wont come back.

Polo
11-10-2008, 01:19 PM
I couldn't put my finger on it last week after the loss to the Vikes...Couldn't put my finger on it after the loss to the Ravens....

After reading Herv's post I think I know what's been bugging me about the Texans...

I have very little interest in them at this point...I used to get excited about watching them on Sundays and then posting about it with you guys...but @ this point I would rather be in the NSZ...

Wolf
11-10-2008, 01:35 PM
my problem is that I don't holler at the TV any more unless it is ******* or OH Sh*T ...


I don't have the confidence in the team the make the 3rd in one and they get the first or it is 3rd and 8 with the defense on the field and have that confidence that they will shut the offense down.. or it is 3rd and one and the DL will clog the middle up and stop the opposing team.

my emotion is very different than in 2002 on that first game...my feelings are now when I think the Texans can't do something stupid, they seem to suprise me with something new and I holler "I can't believe this sh*T"

It isn't that I won't be watching this sunday,but I am becoming "
uncomfortably numb" while watching them

Texans34Life
11-10-2008, 01:43 PM
F the oilers, I quit them when they quit me, texans are more fun than any other h-town team

The Thunderbears (AFL team that doesn't exist in Houston anymore) are a more fun team than the Texans.

The Oilers were the team in Houston. When we lost them and got this team....it seems like the NFL dumped another version of the Detroit Lions on us.

imatexan
11-10-2008, 02:39 PM
I feel very differently about the name "Oilers" and what it means. It's a name that every Houstonian can identify with and it belongs in the pantheon of classic NFL names like Packers, Cowboys, and Steelers. It doesn't just give us a tough sounding label, it describes the people of this region. It's what many of us (or our ancestors) have done for a living and it has genuine local significance. "Texans" in no way captures this. It's a generic corporate sell-out designed to maximize profits by appealing to an entire state as opposed to a single city. It's a careful play on your patriotism and pride done entirely to seperate you from your dollars. "Oilers" meant something but "Texans" doesn't mean a damned thing (and this is coming from a native Texan mind you). "Texans" is just our version of "Titans" if you ask me. It's a name that was picked from the bottom of an empty well after the rest of the NFL had picked what they want. It's the "Mr Irrellevent" of team names.



This is a great statement and I can respect that you feel this way. I too appreciate what Bob McNair did to get an NFL team but I understand that not everyone who can afford an NFL franchise is going to be good at running one and I've got a lifetime of experience watching the Detroit Lions and Cincinnati Bengals of the world dwell in the bottom of their respective divisions. That's a fate I'd wish on no fan and certainly not one who is as willing to embrace a team as you are. Again I'm conceding that you are far more passionate about the Texans than I will ever be. I've got no issue with your enthusiasm. I think you are a bit on the naive side if you think that Bob McNair isn't in this for the money. The Texans are from top to bottom entirely about the money as is the entire NFL today. The league I watched grow into the greatest in sports isn't anything like what I'm watching today. This league is cold and corporate and filled with unabashed greed.



I've never felt the need to define myself by what I'm a fan of. I'm a fan of Pecan pie but I don't get upset if all they have is Apple. I'm a fan of Pontiac muscle cars but I enjoyed driving my Mazda Protoge when that was all I could afford. I've hung around for years waiting to see progress and observed nothing but incompetence and frustration and I'm still drawn to the television set every Sunday to see if maybe this week a team worth investing my time and interest in might show up. I don't know if I'd call myself a "REAL fan" or not. I definitely have a disorder of some sort for still caring but I won't care forever. Why would I even consider doing that? The National Football League is "entertainment" and entertainment that doesn't entertain is kind of pointless isn't it? Entertainment that makes you angry most Sundays is not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination. I said I don't like this team and I meant it. How many of you guys "like" people who have let you down year after year after year? How many of you like music by musicians who always sell you lousy albums? How many of you enjoy films by directors who always make bad films?

Don't confuse criticism with hate. I don't hate the team. I just don't blindly support everything they do indefinitely (and I'm not saying you do so don't take it that way). If I didn't care I'd be silent, not bitching.



70 straight games sounds like a lot of money for Bob McNair if you ask me. I've gone to a few of those games myself over the years and I've got some observations from those trips. I'm not a season ticket holder. I've probably only bought tickets to 4-5 games in that time. I've gone to games at no cost many times because friends have asked me and they had seats that they either weren't using or they had access to seats that some corporation wasn't using. Sellouts are not filled stadiums and empty seats aren't hard to see. When Bob McNair got the team he was guaranteed 5 years of sellout games. That's not fan loyalty, that's a business deal. The deal is over but in that time the Texans have given us precious little to inspire our continued support.

I don't want to call you out about any of this but I don't agree with you and don't care very much that you find my words offensive. I don't find yours to be so.



We just have some disagreements, I am very passionate about the Texans as it seems you were the oilers.Good post my friend.

Marcus
11-10-2008, 04:21 PM
I have very little interest in them at this point...I used to get excited about watching them on Sundays and then posting about it with you guys...but @ this point I would rather be in the NSZ...

That's where I'd rather be, too.

On this forum, it's just a repeat of the same rehash, week, after week, after week, after week.

It's just downright boring reading.

Marcus
11-10-2008, 04:30 PM
And I'll just come out and say it,

I absolutely DO NOT :embarrass miss 'my' :embarrass Houston Oilers.

They broke my heart, and broke my heart, and broke my heart, and broke my heart. And then, when I thought I put a big enough wall up to guard against further heartbreaks, they up and stick that "Comeback" up my ass.

******* the Oilers! I'm glad they are dead. And THAT comes from the heart.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 04:31 PM
I miss the Oilers and the Earl days....the Moon days, the playoffs year in, year out....the teams that hated to come to the astrodome to play that @#$! toughass team from Texas....miss them a ton. I miss Mike Holovak and a real NFL scouting department too.

TexansFight
11-10-2008, 04:51 PM
I miss the Oilers and the Earl days....the Moon days, the playoffs year in, year out....the teams that hated to come to the astrodome to play that @#$! toughass team from Texas....miss them a ton. I miss Mike Holovak and a real NFL scouting department too.

Agreed. The Dome was a place that teams did not like to come. I remember the House of Pain years with fondness. The NFL of 20 years ago which I grew up with as a kid and as a teenager was FAR SUPERIOR in almost every respect to the overly corporate game we have now.

I miss the rivalries the Oilers used to have with the Steelers and the other AFC Central teams. The late 80's-early 90's were an awesome time in the AFC Central. All of the teams were pretty good and ALL of those teams hated each other with a passion. I miss the attitude and spunk of Jerry Glanville. He reinstituted pride in our team and instead of having a doormat for Chuck Noll and the Steelers to walk all over we had a team that punched them in the mouth. That is why Noll dressed him down. Coming to Houston was no longer the picnic it was under Ed Biles or Hugh Campbell.

I hated the Cincinnati Bengals and Boomer ****ing Esiason with a passion of a hundred suns. Wyche hated Glanville and that game that they beat us like 61-7 and then rubbed in with a late field goal sucked. But you know what, those rivalries created games that I couldn't wait to see at the Dome or on TV. Seriously, whenever I see footage of the Dome during that era I get a little misty-eyed because damn it I LOVED the Oilers and their hold on me was great and they still to this day pull on the heart strings despite being dead for over 12 years.

Yes the Oilers choked in the playoffs but they were still HOUSTON'S TEAM in a way that the Texans have in no way been close to reaching. I know they weren't the Steelers or Cowboys in terms of history but I am still fond of the memories I have. The fans back then too were loyal, leather lunged regular folks. The NFL back then did not price out its traditional blue collar fan base. I would see the same people around me every game in our field box seats and these people had tickets for years. Now, I see a different group of people around me for the most part every game.

It KILLS ME that Earl's and Moon's records are in Possum Holler and not here in Houston where they belong. When I read that the Titans are thinking about wearing Oilers throwbacks next year for a couple of games, it made me sad. If I saw that I don't know how I would react because it sickens me that OUR TEAM was STOLEN AWAY from us. Do you realize that Fisher has been the coach there since JACK PARDEE got fired in the middle of the 1994 season. To think if Bud wasn't such an asshole and if Bob Lanier was not such a heartless **** we would still have him as our coach and would have enjoyed a Super Bowl and a 10-0 start.

I feel betrayed by the Texans. I intently followed the expansion process and was on the old LA Times message board back then with a small group of loyal Houstonians and we engaged in spirited battles with them over who should get the next team. A guy who I can't remember his name actually went to the NFL owner's meetings back in 1999 and reported back to us his findings. Dude actually spoke with various owners.

I was ECSTATIC when we were awarded another team. Didn't like the Texans name but loved the logo and unis. McNair seemed to be so on the ball and seemed to be the antithesis of Bud Adams. I thought Houston finally had a good owner and that the Texans would become a model franchise.

I never expected that the Texans would turn into a complete laughingstock franchise that for the better part of a decade has given the Bengals and Lions a run for their money in being the worst in football. I just don't get how this happened. I want to love the Texans but to get the love your team needs to EARN it by doing something on the field. That we still suck so bad and are really no closer to being a legit contender than our first couple of years as a franchise is demoralizing.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 04:52 PM
i dont miss their playoff choke's. denver, bufalo, kc.

you know it was the same type of attitude that a lot of you have toward our team now that ran our old team out of town. if you guys ever want a winning football team in this town again you better get behind this one and hope they one day turn things around. because im pretty confident if we let this one go we will not ever see another football team in houston.

TexansFight
11-10-2008, 05:05 PM
i dont miss their playoff choke's. denver, bufalo, kc.

you know it was the same type of attitude that a lot of you have toward our team now that ran our old team out of town. if you guys ever want a winning football team in this town again you better get behind this one and hope they one day turn things around. because im pretty confident if we let this one go we will not ever see another football team in houston.

Loyal Houston Oilers fans like Herv, Vinny, and myself are not why the Oilers left town. The Oilers had over 100% capacity during the Run n' Shoot years. Bud Adams didn't leave town because of a lack of fan support. He left because of his greed and that he wanted to get all the revenues from a stadium in which he was the primary tenant. At the Astrodome, he was Uncle Drayton's tenant and did not rake in the cash.

He proposed this dual use stadium with the Rockets downtown which was a bad idea and the Rockets later backed out. All of sudden during training camp in 1995 with literally no warning, the Oilers were negotiating with Nashville to move the team.

Bob Lanier was a bastard in not doing everything he could to keep the team in town unlike the mayor of Cleveland who raised holy hell. The fact is the Oilers did need a new stadium. However, Bud's timing was terrible coming off the Choke in Buffalo and because just SEVEN YEARS earlier he held the city hostage and threatened to move the team to Jacksonville to get renovations to the Dome (which resulted in the exploding scoreboard to be taken down).

Bud Adams was a pariah with no friends. What he wanted was politically unfeasible at the time but could have been worked out IMO if he didn't rush and grant Nashville exclusivity in negotiations.

REMEMBER ONE DAMN THING, HOUSON OILERS FANS WERE NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR TEAM BEING STOLEN FROM US!!! READ A DAMN BOOK OR ARTICLES FROM THAT TIME TO INFORM YOURSELF.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 05:06 PM
I was ECSTATIC when we were awarded another team. Didn't like the Texans name but loved the logo and unis. McNair seemed to be so on the ball and seemed to be the antithesis of Bud Adams. I thought Houston finally had a good owner and that the Texans would become a model franchise.

I never expected that the Texans would turn into a complete laughingstock franchise that for the better part of a decade has given the Bengals and Lions a run for their money in being the worst in football. I just don't get how this happened. I want to love the Texans but to get the love your team needs to EARN it by doing something on the field. That we still suck so bad and are really no closer to being a legit contender than our first couple of years as a franchise is demoralizing. I was too, and I'm still glad we have a replacement franchise all things considered but it is starting to feel like we are in that movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers. In this movie aliens came down and took over the world one body at a time...an exact replicant of the previous human. It's like we have aliens masquerading as a real NFL team.

El Tejano
11-10-2008, 05:10 PM
Well I was the biggest Oiler fan ever in Austin. I was looking at the Dome as I was walking out of Reliant and was thinking ' We would've won this game if we were still over there'. However then I remembered the many years of tearing it up in the regular season and feeling all good only to be kicked in the nads later.

At least the Texans just kick you in the nads so you can hurry up in get over it.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 05:17 PM
Loyal Houston Oilers fans like Herv, Vinny, and myself are not why the Oilers left town. The Oilers had over 100% capacity during the Run n' Shoot years. Bud Adams didn't leave town because of a lack of fan support. He left because of his greed and that he wanted to get all the revenues from a stadium in which he was the primary tenant. At the Astrodome, he was Uncle Drayton's tenant and did not rake in the cash.

He proposed this dual use stadium with the Rockets downtown which was a bad idea and the Rockets later backed out. All of sudden during training camp in 1995 with literally no warning, the Oilers were negotiating with Nashville to move the team.

Bob Lanier was a bastard in not doing everything he could to keep the team in town unlike the mayor of Cleveland who raised holy hell. The fact is the Oilers did need a new stadium. However, Bud's timing was terrible coming off the Choke in Buffalo and because just SEVEN YEARS earlier he held the city hostage and threatened to move the team to Jacksonville to get renovations to the Dome (which resulted in the exploding scoreboard to be taken down).

Bud Adams was a pariah with no friends. What he wanted was politically unfeasible at the time but could have been worked out IMO if he didn't rush and grant Nashville exclusivity in negotiations.

REMEMBER ONE DAMN THING, HOUSON OILERS FANS WERE NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR TEAM BEING STOLEN FROM US!!! READ A DAMN BOOK OR ARTICLES FROM THAT TIME TO INFORM YOURSELF.

thanks for your insight. i dont have to read i remember it. bud wanted a stadium bob lanier told him no. the reason he could tell him no is because the oilers didnt have enough fan support to warrent a new stadium. bob lanier was a public official. the people of houston elected him. if enough people would of wanted the team here he would of put up a fight and tried to keep them here.

REMEMBER THIS! YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE KID WHO HAD HIS SUCKER TAKEN FROM HIM. our team being stolen from us, give me a freakin break. wasnt our team anyway, it was bud's. he proved that when he moved them.

Vinny
11-10-2008, 05:26 PM
thanks for your insight. i dont have to read i remember it. bud wanted a stadium bob lanier told him no. the reason he could tell him no is because the oilers didnt have enough fan support to warrent a new stadium. bob lanier was a public official. the people of houston elected him. if enough people would of wanted the team here he would of put up a fight and tried to keep them here.

REMEMBER THIS! YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE KID WHO HAD HIS SUCKER TAKEN FROM HIM. our team being stolen from us, give me a freakin break. wasnt our team anyway, it was bud's. he proved that when he moved them.
sounds like you are the one who doesn't have the clue...we had plenty of fan support but once the team stated their intentions to move we stopped giving him our money. Sounds like you are too young to remember this right or wasn't paying attention or wasn't here when it went down.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 05:34 PM
sounds like you are the one who doesn't have the clue...we had plenty of fan support but once the team stated their intentions to move we stopped giving him our money. Sounds like you are too young to remember this right or wasn't paying attention or wasn't here when it went down.

i went to games back then, i know how much fan support we had. having enough die hard fans to mostly fill a stadium in an area with around 4 million people is not the same as having an entire city back you and having enough support to keep a team when things are going bad. the oilers lost the support of the majority of the city. thats why they lanier felt he could deny bud the stadium he wanted. im just hoping the texans never get to that point.

and i do know that bud was being unreasonable and we had just renovated the astrodome. but if the city would of still been behind the team something would of been worked out. funny just a few years later we were able to spend more money on a new franchise. the city still wanted football the majority of them just didnt want the oilers.

TexansFight
11-10-2008, 05:34 PM
thanks for your insight. i dont have to read i remember it. bud wanted a stadium bob lanier told him no. the reason he could tell him no is because the oilers didnt have enough fan support to warrent a new stadium. bob lanier was a public official. the people of houston elected him. if enough people would of wanted the team here he would of put up a fight and tried to keep them here.

REMEMBER THIS! YOU SOUND LIKE A LITTLE KID WHO HAD HIS SUCKER TAKEN FROM HIM. our team being stolen from us, give me a freakin break. wasnt our team anyway, it was bud's. he proved that when he moved them.

You are woefully ignorant on this topic. I suggest that you read the following books to get a clue.

http://www.amazon.com/Oiler-Blues-Story-Footballs-Frustrating/dp/1891422014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226356225&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Loser-Takes-All-Football-Business/dp/1563524325/ref=pd_sim_b_1


Vinny, Herv, and I were around when this happened. You do not know the facts. Not to toot my own horn, but I wrote a 30 page research paper (which I got an A in) on this topic in my Sports Business class that I took at Wharton at the U. of Pennsylvania. If I can find it I will send it to you. Has a bunch of research and articles referenced.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 05:50 PM
You are woefully ignorant on this topic. I suggest that you read the following books to get a clue.

http://www.amazon.com/Oiler-Blues-Story-Footballs-Frustrating/dp/1891422014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226356225&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Loser-Takes-All-Football-Business/dp/1563524325/ref=pd_sim_b_1


Vinny, Herv, and I were around when this happened. You do not know the facts. Not to toot my own horn, but I wrote a 30 page research paper (which I got an A in) on this topic in my Sports Business class that I took at Wharton at the U. of Pennsylvania. If I can find it I will send it to you. Has a bunch of research and articles referenced.

maybe i am wrong. im just going from the papers and what i remember. i did read and article not to long ago about how bob lanier felt no pressure to give the oilers a new stadium because there wouldnt be any backlash because most people had become indifferent to the team. if i can find that i will send it to you.

i dont mean to always give you a hard time but all ive heard from you since you started posting is negative. i really have a hard time believing that you were not bitching and complaing just as much about the "most frustating team in professional football" as you book points out. you are the guy who wanted to sue the texans their first year because of parking or some crap, right. the man bring us pro football and then we sue him, that would of been perfect. actually i maybe we should sue him now for what i have to watch every weekend.lol

Marcus
11-10-2008, 06:02 PM
Not to toot my own horn, but I wrote a 30 page research paper (which I got an A in) on this topic in my Sports Business class that I took at Wharton at the U. of Pennsylvania. If I can find it I will send it to you. Has a bunch of research and articles referenced.

Well, if you didn't include "the Comeback" planting the seed of apathy in a lot of fans' hearts and minds, then your paper would have been incomplete.

I've said this many times before, and I'll continue to say it, because I believe it with all my soul.

If the Oilers had won that game in Buffalo, they would still be here. The Tennessee Titans would not exist, and neither would the Houston Texans.

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 06:04 PM
i went to games back then, i know how much fan support we had. having enough die hard fans to mostly fill a stadium in an area with around 4 million people is not the same as having an entire city back you and having enough support to keep a team when things are going bad. the oilers lost the support of the majority of the city. thats why they lanier felt he could deny bud the stadium he wanted. im just hoping the texans never get to that point.

and i do know that bud was being unreasonable and we had just renovated the astrodome. but if the city would of still been behind the team something would of been worked out. funny just a few years later we were able to spend more money on a new franchise. the city still wanted football the majority of them just didnt want the oilers.


I think that you are correct in your assertion that a stadium full of die hard fans isn't the same as having 4 million taxpayers support your team. I get what you mean by that and agree that not having widespread support for the Oilers made it easy for Lanier to just say no to Bud Adams.

In short I think you're actually a lot closer to saying that the Oilers "fans" aren't to blame than TexansFight believes. You guys aren't that far apart.

The real problem to me today is that the Texans have never enjoyed the full support of those 4 million or so tax payers and they've pretty much wasted their 5 years of guaranteed sell out games with no real return. They have fewer die hard fans than Bud's Oilers enjoyed and a solid reputation as natural born losers to overcome to get any more. They started out with enormous good will from the people in this town who were ready for some football and they've lost attention and affection ever since.

The city was sold on the benefits from and the idea of football but many of them aren't going to go a step out of their way to accomodate the NFL. It just isn't that important to them. My wife is like that. My brother is like that and so is his wife. Neither of his kids have any interest in it. They don't care about the NFL and were fine with it gone. The way to get them into the stadium and in front of the TV is to win and Bob's team never has. Hell, maybe they never will.

Hervoyel
11-10-2008, 06:07 PM
Well, if you didn't include "the Comeback" planting the seed of apathy in a lot of fans' hearts and minds, then your paper would have been incomplete.

I've said this many times before, and I'll continue to say it, because I believe it with all my soul.

If the Oilers had won that game in Buffalo, they would still be here. The Tennessee Titans would not exist, and neither would the Houston Texans.

I think you're absolutely right on that. It was "the big one" and the smaller choke against Kansas City in the year that followed was just a little follow up for anyone remaining who had any small iota of affection left for the team. That Buffalo game was a draining experience and had a hangover that lasted for years.

utahmark
11-10-2008, 06:17 PM
so i have a question. is it true that bud went to the mayor and asked for a new stadium right from the start? because if it is your gonna have a hard time convincing me that the loss of support in houston didnt have at least something to do with the team leaving. and if thats not true then a lot of newspapers and news stations flat out lied or had the wrong information.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/46911 thats just part of the article you have to pay for the rest. there is plenty more. just hard to find its been so long ago. but ive read articles like this all the time back when they were moving.

Marcus
11-10-2008, 06:21 PM
maybe i am wrong. im just going from the papers and what i remember. i did read and article not to long ago about how bob lanier felt no pressure to give the oilers a new stadium because there wouldnt be any backlash because most people had become indifferent to the team. if i can find that i will send it to you.


I remember that. It played a big role.

i dont mean to always give you a hard time but all ive heard from you since you started posting is negative. i really have a hard time believing that you were not bitching and complaing just as much about the "most frustating team in professional football" as you book points out. you are the guy who wanted to sue the texans their first year because of parking or some crap, right. the man bring us pro football and then we sue him, that would of been perfect. actually i maybe we should sue him now for what i have to watch every weekend.lol

hehe Yup. Remember that, too!

Texan_Bill
11-10-2008, 06:27 PM
I think you're absolutely right on that. It was "the big one" and the smaller choke against Kansas City in the year that followed was just a little follow up for anyone remaining who had any small iota of affection left for the team. That Buffalo game was a draining experience and had a hangover that lasted for years.

Also the mini-choke job in Denver too... :foottap:

There were a several events that led up to the showdown between Bud and Mayor Bob. Fan's apathy was the result of the choke jobs, the previous time being held hostage with a threat to move to Jacksonville. There was the BS pre-season game that had to be canceled. There were complaints from players in how cheap Bud was with the training facilities. There was (insert any of your memories here), this, that and the other.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2008, 08:55 PM
Agreed. The Dome was a place that teams did not like to come. I remember the House of Pain years with fondness. The NFL of 20 years ago which I grew up with as a kid and as a teenager was FAR SUPERIOR in almost every respect to the overly corporate game we have now.

I miss the rivalries the Oilers used to have with the Steelers and the other AFC Central teams. The late 80's-early 90's were an awesome time in the AFC Central. All of the teams were pretty good and ALL of those teams hated each other with a passion. I miss the attitude and spunk of Jerry Glanville. He reinstituted pride in our team and instead of having a doormat for Chuck Noll and the Steelers to walk all over we had a team that punched them in the mouth. That is why Noll dressed him down. Coming to Houston was no longer the picnic it was under Ed Biles or Hugh Campbell.

I hated the Cincinnati Bengals and Boomer ****ing Esiason with a passion of a hundred suns. Wyche hated Glanville and that game that they beat us like 61-7 and then rubbed in with a late field goal sucked. But you know what, those rivalries created games that I couldn't wait to see at the Dome or on TV. Seriously, whenever I see footage of the Dome during that era I get a little misty-eyed because damn it I LOVED the Oilers and their hold on me was great and they still to this day pull on the heart strings despite being dead for over 12 years.

Yes the Oilers choked in the playoffs but they were still HOUSTON'S TEAM in a way that the Texans have in no way been close to reaching. I know they weren't the Steelers or Cowboys in terms of history but I am still fond of the memories I have. The fans back then too were loyal, leather lunged regular folks. The NFL back then did not price out its traditional blue collar fan base. I would see the same people around me every game in our field box seats and these people had tickets for years. Now, I see a different group of people around me for the most part every game.

It KILLS ME that Earl's and Moon's records are in Possum Holler and not here in Houston where they belong. When I read that the Titans are thinking about wearing Oilers throwbacks next year for a couple of games, it made me sad. If I saw that I don't know how I would react because it sickens me that OUR TEAM was STOLEN AWAY from us. Do you realize that Fisher has been the coach there since JACK PARDEE got fired in the middle of the 1994 season. To think if Bud wasn't such an asshole and if Bob Lanier was not such a heartless **** we would still have him as our coach and would have enjoyed a Super Bowl and a 10-0 start.

I feel betrayed by the Texans. I intently followed the expansion process and was on the old LA Times message board back then with a small group of loyal Houstonians and we engaged in spirited battles with them over who should get the next team. A guy who I can't remember his name actually went to the NFL owner's meetings back in 1999 and reported back to us his findings. Dude actually spoke with various owners.

I was ECSTATIC when we were awarded another team. Didn't like the Texans name but loved the logo and unis. McNair seemed to be so on the ball and seemed to be the antithesis of Bud Adams. I thought Houston finally had a good owner and that the Texans would become a model franchise.

I never expected that the Texans would turn into a complete laughingstock franchise that for the better part of a decade has given the Bengals and Lions a run for their money in being the worst in football. I just don't get how this happened. I want to love the Texans but to get the love your team needs to EARN it by doing something on the field. That we still suck so bad and are really no closer to being a legit contender than our first couple of years as a franchise is demoralizing.


Even I could afford season tickets back then. Now I cannot even think about buying psls'.

Excellent post TF. Rep coming your way.


:coffee:

imatexan
11-10-2008, 09:23 PM
I think that you are correct in your assertion that a stadium full of die hard fans isn't the same as having 4 million taxpayers support your team. I get what you mean by that and agree that not having widespread support for the Oilers made it easy for Lanier to just say no to Bud Adams.

In short I think you're actually a lot closer to saying that the Oilers "fans" aren't to blame than TexansFight believes. You guys aren't that far apart.

The real problem to me today is that the Texans have never enjoyed the full support of those 4 million or so tax payers and they've pretty much wasted their 5 years of guaranteed sell out games with no real return. They have fewer die hard fans than Bud's Oilers enjoyed and a solid reputation as natural born losers to overcome to get any more. They started out with enormous good will from the people in this town who were ready for some football and they've lost attention and affection ever since.

The city was sold on the benefits from and the idea of football but many of them aren't going to go a step out of their way to accomodate the NFL. It just isn't that important to them. My wife is like that. My brother is like that and so is his wife. Neither of his kids have any interest in it. They don't care about the NFL and were fine with it gone. The way to get them into the stadium and in front of the TV is to win and Bob's team never has. Hell, maybe they never will.


In my case particular I have the complete opposite viewpoint. None of my famly or friends were Oilers ticket holders or big supporters. We are in Texas and almost all family/friends love football soo they would go to a game here and there but the passion seemed to be lost. I remember going to a Steelers/Oilers game in 96 and even though young was amazed my how many Steelers fans there were. I admired greatly Jerome Bettis and the Steelers, but thats another story.

When the Texans came to town at a game I would know around 20 people who attended and had season tickets. Everyone in my cirlce loved the Texans. I had never expierenced this with any other sports franchise in Houston(being a long time Rockets/Astros ticket holder as well). Of course the years have passes now and that number is down to about 6 but the first years up until that 05 season, I think the Eyes of Houston were upon The Texans

Texans_Chick
11-10-2008, 09:35 PM
Also the mini-choke job in Denver too... :foottap:

There were a several events that led up to the showdown between Bud and Mayor Bob. Fan's apathy was the result of the choke jobs, the previous time being held hostage with a threat to move to Jacksonville. There was the BS pre-season game that had to be canceled. There were complaints from players in how cheap Bud was with the training facilities. There was (insert any of your memories here), this, that and the other.


It wasn't fan apathy. We loved our team but we hated our owner.

It was fan antipathy to Bud Adams. He is an uncouth, cheap, possum-headed vulgarian who repeatedly threatened the city to take his team elsewhere.

Houstonians are a friendly lot but we are prideful as well. We can work together to do amazing things, but we do not respond well to overt and repeated threats, my way or the highway thinking.

Yeah, Houstonians wanted the Oilers to stay. But by the time Bud let it be known that he was out of the city for sure, there was not a dang thing the fans could do. It was a done deal.

If Adams had any sense of diplomacy, timing or negotiation, maybe he could have got things done. But Houston was still paying for the dome renovations, and he had his plan for how he wanted his stadium and how he wanted it paid for.

Ultimately, no matter how successful the Titans are, the Texans may end up having more value as a franchise because of the size of the market. That doesn't matter to Bud because he does things on the cheap so he makes his share off of his team.

atxlaurie
11-11-2008, 12:07 AM
Loyal Houston Oilers fans like Herv, Vinny, and myself are not why the Oilers left town. The Oilers had over 100% capacity during the Run n' Shoot years. Bud Adams didn't leave town because of a lack of fan support. He left because of his greed and that he wanted to get all the revenues from a stadium in which he was the primary tenant. At the Astrodome, he was Uncle Drayton's tenant and did not rake in the cash.

He proposed this dual use stadium with the Rockets downtown which was a bad idea and the Rockets later backed out. All of sudden during training camp in 1995 with literally no warning, the Oilers were negotiating with Nashville to move the team.

Bob Lanier was a bastard in not doing everything he could to keep the team in town unlike the mayor of Cleveland who raised holy hell. The fact is the Oilers did need a new stadium. However, Bud's timing was terrible coming off the Choke in Buffalo and because just SEVEN YEARS earlier he held the city hostage and threatened to move the team to Jacksonville to get renovations to the Dome (which resulted in the exploding scoreboard to be taken down).

Bud Adams was a pariah with no friends. What he wanted was politically unfeasible at the time but could have been worked out IMO if he didn't rush and grant Nashville exclusivity in negotiations.

REMEMBER ONE DAMN THING, HOUSON OILERS FANS WERE NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR TEAM BEING STOLEN FROM US!!! READ A DAMN BOOK OR ARTICLES FROM THAT TIME TO INFORM YOURSELF.

You're exactly right. Bud was never accepted into the "inner circles" of Houston's illuminati. And it always got his goat. He also was one of the only owners that needed his franchise to live off. All the other guys had big cash. Bud was a "hanger-on". He treated his players and staff like crap. Back in the old days when the guys practiced by the bayou and balls would get thrown over down into the bayou, he'd make guys go down to the water and retrieve the balls. Kinda like dunkin' for golf balls in a water hazard. He'd also come into the training room and count tape rolls. The guy was a jerk and a penny-pincher and it kept him from rubbing elbows with all the rich folks he so idolized. Basically he thought he'd get even with all the Houston upper crust that snubbed him and never invited him to their parties. Like I said before, he took his "toys" and ran.

I'll always love my Oilers, but Bud Adams is a heartless scum.