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eriadoc
11-09-2008, 02:48 PM
This pair of QBs just continue to turn the ball over. For every good thing they do, they turn around and kill it with a turnover. And I don't put any of the turnovers on Kubiak, either. The QBs are just making boneheaded stupid plays.

Ryan
11-09-2008, 02:50 PM
I do put some of the turnovers on kubiak, because he should've made smarter calls, like the int on the 1 yard line.

But both of our QB's suck. Plain and simple.

eriadoc
11-09-2008, 02:51 PM
I do put some of the turnovers on kubiak, because he should've made smarter calls, like the int on the 1 yard line.

But both of our QB's suck. Plain and simple.

How in the hell was that INT a bad play call? Sage just flat didn't pay attention to the fact that Ngata slid out to disrupt the passing lane. There is NO FREAKING WAY that was a bad play call by Kubiak. Give me a friggin' break.

Scooter
11-09-2008, 02:52 PM
I do put some of the turnovers on kubiak, because he should've made smarter calls, like the int on the 1 yard line.

But both of our QB's suck. Plain and simple.

daniels was wide open in the back of the endzone, that was a poor throw.

i'm sick of it too. not so much with schaub though because atleast schaub can put up points in a favre-like way. lots of turnovers and touchdowns. sage one the other hand ... ugh.

Ryan
11-09-2008, 02:54 PM
How in the hell was that INT a bad play call? Sage just flat didn't pay attention to the fact that Ngata slid out to disrupt the passing lane. There is NO FREAKING WAY that was a bad play call by Kubiak. Give me a friggin' break.

Kubiak for some reason or another has no confidence in Slaton. At the 1 yard line, you have three chances to run it 1 yard, and you choose to pass? It doesn't make sense to me. At least it does to you.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 02:54 PM
I'm so sick of EVERYBODY'S PLAY.........this suckage is a complete team effort.

rollinstone18
11-09-2008, 02:55 PM
I do put some of the turnovers on kubiak, because he should've made smarter calls, like the int on the 1 yard line.

But both of our QB's suck. Plain and simple.

:tiphat:

It only took one reply to place blame on Kubiak.

Perhaps we should make a sub-forum for the Kubiak haters.

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 02:56 PM
Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

valleytexfan
11-09-2008, 02:56 PM
I don't feel so good...:beerfunnel:

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 02:56 PM
Kubiak for some reason or another has no confidence in Slaton. At the 1 yard line, you have three chances to run it 1 yard, and you choose to pass? It doesn't make sense to me. At least it does to you.

That was a horrible call on Kubiak's part. He's cost us multiple TDs this season, by not running on obvious running downs. Especailly when you have a QB that has shown he's mistake prone, it was a no brainer to run the damn ball in.

eriadoc
11-09-2008, 02:56 PM
Kubiak for some reason or another has no confidence in Slaton. At the 1 yard line, you have three chances to run it 1 yard, and you choose to pass? It doesn't make sense to me. At least it does to you.

Kubiak has no confidence in Slaton at the 1-yd. line for a reason - when he gets hit, he drops like a sack of potatoes. I like Slaton, and he's been a valuable player on this team, but goal-line running is not his role.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 02:58 PM
Kubiak has no confidence in Slaton at the 1-yd. line for a reason - when he gets hit, he drops like a sack of potatoes. I like Slaton, and he's been a valuable player on this team, but goal-line running is not his role.

Then run Green......he was actually healthy today.

eriadoc
11-09-2008, 02:58 PM
That was a horrible call on Kubiak's part. He's cost us multiple TDs this season, by not running on obvious running downs. Especailly when you have a QB that has shown he's mistake prone, it was a no brainer to fun the damn ball in.

We don't have a running game! It's really that simple. People want to point to Slaton's 4.5 YPC as evidence of some running game, but when it comes down to it, we cannot run the ball when we need to.

You Kubiak haters are irrational.

jerek
11-09-2008, 02:59 PM
How in the hell was that INT a bad play call? Sage just flat didn't pay attention to the fact that Ngata slid out to disrupt the passing lane. There is NO FREAKING WAY that was a bad play call by Kubiak. Give me a friggin' break.

It's a bad call because Kubiak should realize that his QB is probable to screw it up.

If Sage is going to play this way, then we're talking about Rex Grossman type treatment here--give him the bare responsibilities and shift the balance of the gameplan to someone else.

As far as that play goes, yes, an NFL quarterback should be able to make that play. But it's 1st and 1 ... just pound the rock in.

Scooter
11-09-2008, 03:00 PM
the only fault kubiak had on the first interception is not playing quarterback himself. anyone else would've seen the 350lb nose tackle between yourself and a wide open tightend and floated it in.

i guess kubiak is at fault for not realizing who we were playing ... it's the ravens, they suck at run defense - obviously we should run on them. :headhurts:

eriadoc
11-09-2008, 03:00 PM
Then run Green......he was actually healthy today.

Green hasn't shown anything either. People criticized the playcall for the Rosencopter play, forgetting that Green and Slaton had failed to do ANYTHING in the prior plays when we needed to run the ball. THIS TEAM CANNOT RUN THE BALL WHEN IT NEEDS TO.

Unfortunately, it also can't pass the ball when it needs to because the QBs make stupid decisions with the ball, or just flat can't deliver the ball where it's supposed to go.

eriadoc
11-09-2008, 03:01 PM
the only fault kubiak had on the first interception is not playing quarterback himself. anyone else would've seen the 350lb nose tackle between yourself and a wide open tightend and floated it in.

i guess kubiak is at fault for not realizing who we were playing ... it's the ravens, they suck at run defense - obviously we should run on them. :headhurts:

Must spread rep, yadda yadda ya.

Ryan
11-09-2008, 03:05 PM
:tiphat:

It only took one reply to place blame on Kubiak.

Perhaps we should make a sub-forum for the Kubiak haters.

That would be a great idea, so i don't get neg repped for every time i voice my opinion on this "coach".

False Start
11-09-2008, 03:05 PM
Today, Sage showed why hes been a backup his whole career.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/rosenfails3.jpg

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:09 PM
Green hasn't shown anything either. People criticized the playcall for the Rosencopter play, forgetting that Green and Slaton had failed to do ANYTHING in the prior plays when we needed to run the ball. THIS TEAM CANNOT RUN THE BALL WHEN IT NEEDS TO.

Unfortunately, it also can't pass the ball when it needs to because the QBs make stupid decisions with the ball, or just flat can't deliver the ball where it's supposed to go.

Actaully Green has shown something today, he's averaging almost 5ypc.

Running the ball is about attitude. When Kubaik was first hired he said he believes in a strong running game.......he's dedicated to the run, and then calls soft plays and let's other teams completely take him out of his game plan. Teams that are dedicated to running the ball stick to it and don't just abandon their entire game plan, because another team stopped the run on a few plays.

Tough football teams run the ball on that 1st and goal......and if they happen to get suffed they run it again. They try to line up and hit somebody in the mouth (hmm I believe I saw one team do that today), but that's not us.........we aren't a tough team, instead we are just one of the softest teams in the entire league. We're coached soft on both sides of the ball and play soft on both sides of the ball. Some of y'all might not like to hear that, but it's the truth......this team is SOFT. All you have to do is line up and hit them in the mouth (without having to worry about them doing the same) and they fold like a house of cards.

Could that throw by Sage been better.....hell yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a dumb playcall.....just for the simple fact that Kubaik was putting all the pressure on a mistake prone QB in the redzone. Kubiak wasn't protecting the ball.

Brandon420tx
11-09-2008, 03:10 PM
Is Boyd still available?

rollinstone18
11-09-2008, 03:10 PM
That would be a great idea, so i don't get neg repped for every time i voice my opinion on this "coach".

That and we just don't want to read the incessant bitching anymore.

rollinstone18
11-09-2008, 03:13 PM
Actaully Green has shown something today, he's averaging almost 5ypc.

Running the ball is about attitude. When Kubaik was first hired he said he believes in a strong running game.......he's dedicated to the run, and then calls soft plays and let's other teams completely take him out of his gameplan.

Teams that are dedicated to running the ball stick to it and don't just abandon their entire game plan, beacause another team stopped the run on a few plays.

Tough football teams run the ball on that 1st and goal......and if they happen to get suffed they run it again. They try to line up and hit somebody in the mouth (hmm I believe I saw one team do that today), but that's not us.........we aren't a tough team, instead we are just one of the softest teams in the entire league. We're coached soft on both sides of the ball and play soft on both sides of the ball. Some of y'all might not like to hear that, but it's the truth......this team is SOFT. All you have to do is line up and hit them in the mouth (without having to worry about them doing the same) and they fold like a house of cards

Please, go tell Alex Gibbs he coaches soft. Go tell Jethro Franklin and Frank Bush they coach soft.

hollywood_texan
11-09-2008, 03:14 PM
This pair of QBs just continue to turn the ball over. For every good thing they do, they turn around and kill it with a turnover. And I don't put any of the turnovers on Kubiak, either. The QBs are just making boneheaded stupid plays.

Kubiak approved the David Carr contract extension, picked up Sage Rosenfels and didn't trade him we could have gotten value, and traded 2 second round draft picks and gave guarantee money for Matt Schaub, that demonstrates to me Kubiak is not the QB guru that everyone thought he might be.

Sure, Kubiak did not directly make the turnovers, but they are his players, his offense, and his team.

Mr teX
11-09-2008, 03:15 PM
It's a bad call because Kubiak should realize that his QB is probable to screw it up.

If Sage is going to play this way, then we're talking about Rex Grossman type treatment here--give him the bare responsibilities and shift the balance of the gameplan to someone else.

As far as that play goes, yes, an NFL quarterback should be able to make that play. But it's 1st and 1 ... just pound the rock in.

FWIW.. i think it's both of their faults...i mean at least try to pound it in 1 down. If you're not successful against a top run defense...then you play action pass. For sage's part, he should've saw Ngata & lobbed it over his head but he didn't.

Mr. White
11-09-2008, 03:19 PM
That and we just don't want to read the incessant bitching anymore.

The drum beat has gone from Charlie Watts to Keith Moon and it's on it's way to John Bonham.

The buck stops with the head coach.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:22 PM
Please, go tell Alex Gibbs he coaches soft. Go tell Jethro Franklin and Frank Bush they coach soft.

So you don't think this team is coached soft huh.

Well let's see.......our defensive philosophy (well if you can even call it that) is to keep plays in front of us and not get beat deep (and they can't even do that anymore). Since Smith has been here, there has been nothing "attacking" about our defense. All we do is play a preseason type shell defense all season....teams laugh at it and then pick us apart all game long. Then we get straight trucked on defense when it matters.

On offense, we get pass happy and play a finesse game plan. We don't line up and try to hit people in the mouth in obvious running situations. Hell most of the time we don't even try to establish a running game early (1st drive of the game.......3 & out..all passing plays)

So yes, we are a soft football team, incredibility soft right now. I don't care if our coaches yell at people (that has absolutely nothing to do with being tough)....they're coaching a very soft football team, with alot of soft playcalling.

Runner
11-09-2008, 03:23 PM
:tiphat:

It only took one reply to place blame on Kubiak.

Perhaps we should make a sub-forum for the Kubiak haters.

It's a message board where people give their opinions when asked. And when not asked. That is how it works.

rollinstone18
11-09-2008, 03:31 PM
So you don't think this team is coached soft huh.

Well let's see.......our defensive philosophy (well if you can even call it that) is to keep plays in front of us and not get beat deep (and they can't even do that anymore). Since Smith has been here, there has been nothing "attacking" about our defense. All we do is play a preseason type shell defense all season....teams laugh at it and then pick us apart all game long. Then we get straight trucked on defense when it matters.

On offense, we get pass happy and play a finesse game plan. We don't line up and try to hit people in the mouth in obvious running situations. Hell most of the time we don't even try to establish a running game early (1st drive of the game.......3 & out..all passing plays)

So yes, we are a soft football team, incredibility soft right now. I don't care if our coaches yell at people (that has absolutely nothing with being tough)....they're coaching a very soft football team, with alot of soft playcalling.

No, I don't think our coaches are soft. I think many of our players are though.

spurstexanstros
11-09-2008, 03:31 PM
Actaully Green has shown something today, he's averaging almost 5ypc.

Running the ball is about attitude. When Kubaik was first hired he said he believes in a strong running game.......he's dedicated to the run, and then calls soft plays and let's other teams completely take him out of his game plan. Teams that are dedicated to running the ball stick to it and don't just abandon their entire game plan, because another team stopped the run on a few plays.

Tough football teams run the ball on that 1st and goal......and if they happen to get suffed they run it again. They try to line up and hit somebody in the mouth (hmm I believe I saw one team do that today), but that's not us.........we aren't a tough team, instead we are just one of the softest teams in the entire league. We're coached soft on both sides of the ball and play soft on both sides of the ball. Some of y'all might not like to hear that, but it's the truth......this team is SOFT. All you have to do is line up and hit them in the mouth (without having to worry about them doing the same) and they fold like a house of cards.

Could that throw by Sage been better.....hell yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a dumb playcall.....just for the simple fact that Kubaik was putting all the pressure on a mistake prone QB in the redzone. Kubiak wasn't protecting the ball.

Well the Texans used to run a bootleg with another quarterback who could take a hit and ocassionally run it in...but for some reason he was run out of town. hmmmmmm what was his name......i believe his is a back up on the giants.. Cmon tell me you wouldnt want his fire and intensity on the team again...... he was a leader..till the rest of the team and fans betrayed him and we are stuck wiht these two schmucks.... well H-town you got what you asked for... as for me.......


I WANT DAVID CARR BACK!!!!!!!

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:33 PM
No, I don't think our coaches are soft. I think many of our players are though.

It all trinkles down from the top........honestly Richard Smith has to be one of the softest D coordinators in the NFL. I can't believe he's still employed right now.

rollinstone18
11-09-2008, 03:34 PM
It's a message board where people give their opinions when asked. And when not asked. That is how it works.

:bomb:

A simple 'no' would have sufficed.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:35 PM
Well the Texans used to run a bootleg with another quarterback who could take a hit and ocassionally run it in...but for some reason he was run out of town. hmmmmmm what was his name......i believe his is a back up on the giants.. Cmon tell me you wouldnt want his fire and intensity on the team again...... he was a leader..till the rest of the team and fans betrayed him and we are stuck wiht these two schmucks.... well H-town you got what you asked for... as for me.......


I WANT DAVID CARR BACK!!!!!!!

Your on your own on that one....... David Carr was horrilbe and is what he deserves to be. A career backup.....just like Sage.

Scooter
11-09-2008, 03:35 PM
Kubiak approved the David Carr contract extension, picked up Sage Rosenfels and didn't trade him we could have gotten value, and traded 2 second round draft picks and gave guarantee money for Matt Schaub, that demonstrates to me Kubiak is not the QB guru that everyone thought he might be.

Sure, Kubiak did not directly make the turnovers, but they are his players, his offense, and his team.

and replaced everyone but pitts and johnson, and had us going into this game as the #4 offense.

kubiak screwed up again with his clock management at the end of the first half. there you go i started you on something he can actually control - unless we became the 2005 steelers and i missed it since we can now run for 300 yards against the ravens.

Scooter
11-09-2008, 03:36 PM
Well the Texans used to run a bootleg with another quarterback who could take a hit and ocassionally run it in...but for some reason he was run out of town. hmmmmmm what was his name......i believe his is a back up on the giants.. Cmon tell me you wouldnt want his fire and intensity on the team again...... he was a leader..till the rest of the team and fans betrayed him and we are stuck wiht these two schmucks.... well H-town you got what you asked for... as for me.......


I WANT DAVID CARR BACK!!!!!!!

i hope you forgot to put the sarcasm smiley in.

rollinstone18
11-09-2008, 03:37 PM
It all trinkles down from the top........honestly Richard Smith has to be one of the softest D coordinators in the NFL. I can't believe he's still employed right now.

I agree.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Nobody is saying Houston needs to put up 300 yards rushing on the Ravens....that's stupid.

Just saying he should atleast try running the damn ball when you just need one damn yard, instead of sticking the ball in your mistake prone QBs hands.

Jackie Chiles
11-09-2008, 03:38 PM
Well the Texans used to run a bootleg with another quarterback who could take a hit and ocassionally run it in...but for some reason he was run out of town. hmmmmmm what was his name......i believe his is a back up on the giants.. Cmon tell me you wouldnt want his fire and intensity on the team again...... he was a leader..till the rest of the team and fans betrayed him and we are stuck wiht these two schmucks.... well H-town you got what you asked for... as for me.......


I WANT DAVID CARR BACK!!!!!!!

All three are sucking but is this post for real? Seriously? Carr is a total bum.

markn
11-09-2008, 03:38 PM
I sense a Quarterback controversy brewing... Nall or Daniels?

Mr. White
11-09-2008, 03:38 PM
I WANT DAVID CARR BACK!!!!!!!

You might want to delete that while you still can. It's gonna take a while to come back from that one.....

spurstexanstros
11-09-2008, 03:42 PM
i hope you forgot to put the sarcasm smiley in.

HELL NO AT LEAST WITH DC HE COULD MAKE HIS OWN PLAYS..AND TAKE A HIT.

Compare the turnover to positive play ratio and Carr is better than Matt and Sage. plus the Texans didnt give up two draft pics for this benchweight..

If carr had half the weapons these guys did.. he may still be here. Again I will say I told you it want all Dc's fault.....but you guys had to drive him out and two years later is this team better?

Mr. White
11-09-2008, 03:45 PM
HELL NO AT LEAST WITH DC HE COULD MAKE HIS OWN PLAYS..AND TAKE A HIT.

Compare the turnover to positive play ratio and Carr is better than Matt and Sage. plus the Texans didnt give up two draft pics for this benchweight..

If carr had half the weapons these guys did.. he may still be here. Again I will say I told you it want all Dc's fault.....but you guys had to drive him out and two years later is this team better?

:goodnight

cowbellm00
11-09-2008, 03:45 PM
Carr wasn't the worst, and I'd sure as hell take him back right now especially since there's a half way decent line to block for him. Carr sucked because there was no running game, nor a line to block. His rookie year he was sacked 75 times by week ten. That poor boy never stood a chance due to Capers ignoring the Oline problem. Didn't Carr do pretty good his 1st year with Kubiak?

I say...
there's always next year.....:texflag: go texans (with a sigh)!

Jackie Chiles
11-09-2008, 03:45 PM
HELL NO AT LEAST WITH DC HE COULD MAKE HIS OWN PLAYS..AND TAKE A HIT.

Compare the turnover to positive play ratio and Carr is better than Matt and Sage. plus the Texans didnt give up two draft pics for this benchweight..

If carr had half the weapons these guys did.. he may still be here. Again I will say I told you it want all Dc's fault.....but you guys had to drive him out and two years later is this team better?

Surely you jest, have you forgotten the classic fetal position? How about the negative passing yards game vs. Da Raidas? The next time he throws the ball deep down the middle of the field will be the first. Can we stop talking about him and continue bemoaning our current QB situation?

Scooter
11-09-2008, 03:45 PM
see now that's why i cant take these posts seriously. losing sucks but they're so irrational after a game because the coach didnt do what YOU wanted him to do. asking for david carr back is just ... well it's not remembering 2-14.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:47 PM
HELL NO AT LEAST WITH DC HE COULD MAKE HIS OWN PLAYS..AND TAKE A HIT.

Compare the turnover to positive play ratio and Carr is better than Matt and Sage. plus the Texans didnt give up two draft pics for this benchweight..

If carr had half the weapons these guys did.. he may still be here. Again I will say I told you it want all Dc's fault.....but you guys had to drive him out and two years later is this team better?

Carr doesn't know how to throw the ball down the field...........for a QB, that is a very HUGE flaw, but hey.....Steve Slaton would be on his way to ROY honors.

David Carr got his chance (and a 2nd chance with another team), he failed miserably and the team lost all faith in him.....if he was still here the lockerroom would be absolutely chaotic. He needed and HAD to go.

Mr teX
11-09-2008, 03:49 PM
HELL NO AT LEAST WITH DC HE COULD MAKE HIS OWN PLAYS..AND TAKE A HIT.

Compare the turnover to positive play ratio and Carr is better than Matt and Sage. plus the Texans didnt give up two draft pics for this benchweight..

If carr had half the weapons these guys did.. he may still be here. Again I will say I told you it want all Dc's fault.....but you guys had to drive him out and two years later is this team better?

Thought you were joking, but this post certifies you're serious in which case all i can say is................wow.

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 03:49 PM
see now that's why i cant take these posts seriously. losing sucks but they're so irrational after a game because the coach didnt do what YOU wanted him to do.

That's the point of a message board is it not. We are 3-6........guess what happens when you're 3-6? The head coach's decision making starts to get questioned.

The David Carr stuff is completely over the line though...but hey, some people are always going to have a soft spot for the guy.

Mr teX
11-09-2008, 03:57 PM
That's the point of a message board is it not. We are 3-6........guess what happens when you're 3-6? The head coach's decision making starts to get questioned.

The David Carr stuff is completely over the line though...but hey, some people are always going to have a soft spot for the guy.

That's no excuse b/c i do have a soft spot for the guy considering the situation he was dropped in here. But after watching schaub looking half way decent here when he's got protection & actually throwing the ball down field, i don't want to see dump off david again.

spurstexanstros
11-09-2008, 03:58 PM
Thought you were joking, but this post certifies you're serious in which case all i can say is................wow.

I am serious.. as far as I am concerned .. he was better than these jokers we have now... but yall are right the past is the past....but what else..yall begged and pleaded for the guy to go and now look what we got...

Fast forward to yall asking for Kubiak's head...what are we gonna get? who is better? That is something we should have asked before making Schaub trade...was he really better? i would say yes ..he is sitting on the sideline....not worth the trade.

Mr. White
11-09-2008, 04:02 PM
Fast forward to yall asking for Kubiak's head...what are we gonna get? who is better? That is something we should have asked before making Schaub trade...was he really better? i would say yes ..he is sitting on the sideline....not worth the trade.

There are better coaches working on the staff right now. Rhodes and Marciano come to mind immediately.

Mr teX
11-09-2008, 04:03 PM
I am serious.. as far as I am concerned .. he was better than these jokers we have now... but yall are right the past is the past....but what else..yall begged and pleaded for the guy to go and now look what we got...

Fast forward to yall asking for Kubiak's head...what are we gonna get? who is better? That is something we should have asked before making Schaub trade...was he really better? i would say yes ..he is sitting on the sideline....not worth the trade.


Health is the only thing Carr has over Schaub. Carr didn't turn the ball over much primarily b/c he didn't take many chances down field until he had to or when the game was out of reach. I don't think there's any question schaub is better than DC.

Besides, i don't think DC would come back here anyway; i know i wouldn't. Most fans don't want him back either.

spurstexanstros
11-09-2008, 04:08 PM
Thought you were joking, but this post certifies you're serious in which case all i can say is................wow.

Yeah games like that makes you question your sanity.....i cant even say wow.. I am just pissed at the qbs right now... and questioning my sanity for being a Texans fan....I think at this point I am going to count to 1,000,000 before saying anything else.

Scooter
11-09-2008, 04:13 PM
Yeah games like that makes you question your sanity.....i cant even say wow.. I am just pissed at the qbs right now... and questioning my sanity for being a Texans fan....I think at this point I am going to count to 1,000,000 before saying anything else.

lol, a wise thing for all texans fans after most games. step back, count to a million, and fix yourself a bourbon ... sanity will come back eventually. :splits:

Mr teX
11-09-2008, 04:16 PM
lol, i wise thing for all texans fans after most games. step back, count to a million, and fix yourself a bourbon ... sanity will come back eventually. :splits:

or you'll pass out...

OzzO
11-09-2008, 04:18 PM
Here, "sts" - career stats per nfl.com:

Carr is at 74.6 QB rating, 59.7 completion %, 63 TDs to 70 ints losing 22 of 69 fumbles

Schaub is at 84.2 rating, 63.5 completion %, 25 TD to 23 int, 7 of 18 fumbles lost

Rosencopter is at 83.5 rating, 61.6% completion %, 27 TD to 21 int, 5 of 10 fumbles lost

Yeah - I'm sick of the QB play as well, but not so bad to bring our previous "not a must win, but must play well and gimmie a haircut after 2 wins" QB back.

Just need a QB to manage a game w/o turnovers. A hellacious running game and an in your face defense. 6 years and waiting.....

Ryan
11-09-2008, 04:20 PM
That and we just don't want to read the incessant bitching anymore.

I'm not the only one, sweetheart. If you want to keep on trying to make sunshine out of a thunderstorm on a team that is and has been complete crap for 7 years, and blame it on the play of one guy, then to each his own I guess. But we as fans, have the right to voice our opinions, and I will continue to do so. Call it "bitching" all you want, but thousands of fans all around are just damn sick of watching and paying for crap week in and week out.

cowbellm00
11-09-2008, 04:25 PM
That and we just don't want to read the incessant bitching anymore.

If thousands of people are complaining about it, it's not called "bitching" anymore...it's called "having a knack for the obvious". We all get it. Why don't the Texans coaching staff?

Runner
11-09-2008, 04:28 PM
If thousands of people are complaining about it, it's not called "bitching" anymore...it's called "having a knack for the obvious". We all get it. Why don't the Texans coaching staff?

I have no doubt they get it. I have doubts they can fix it.

threetoedpete
11-09-2008, 04:34 PM
That's the point of a message board is it not. We are 3-6........guess what happens when you're 3-6? The head coach's decision making starts to get questioned.

The David Carr stuff is completely over the line though...but hey, some people are always going to have a soft spot for the guy.

I dunno CB. We've got two QBs who are a slot machines when they are pressured. They preform well when they keep them clean. Might be a correlation there. what do ya think ?

So far Matt has one major concussion...two major injuries. Now you could say that he is another chandler. Or you could say he's been beat up so much he's another candidate to be the second he who should not be named candidate.

The only question I have left for you my friend is how many of these franchise QBs you will have to go through be for you finally get it big fella.

Runner
11-09-2008, 04:42 PM
The only question I have left for you my friend is how many of these franchise QBs you will have to go through be for you finally get it big fella.

I think the term "franchise quarterback" should be used only be used on a QB who has proven something on the field. For instance, these are/were wrong:

David Carr, Texans franchise QB.
Matt Schaub, Texans franchise QB.

These are/were correct:

David Carr, Texans starting QB.
Matt Schaub, Texans starting QB.

The homework assignment is too apply this lesson to other positions. Hint: (Spencer, Brown).

Extra credit for anyone who can offer a proof of the theorem that having so many unproven "franchise players" leads to unrealistic expectations.

:)

Carr Bombed
11-09-2008, 04:42 PM
I dunno CB. We've got two QBs who are a slot machines when they are pressured. They preform well when they keep them clean. Might be a correlation there. what do ya think ?

So far Matt has one major concussion...two major injuries. Now you could say that he is another chandler. Or you could say he's been beat up so much he's another candidate to be the second he who should not be named candidate.

The only question I have left for you my friend is how many of these franchise QBs you will have to go through be for you finally get it big fella.

Matt has durability issues.......nobody is going to deny that.

As far as "how many QBs do we have to go through".......look at teams like the Lions or the Bears. Some teams spend decades looking for "that guy".

I still think if Matt Schaub could prove that he could stay healthy, he's a QB who's good enough to win with, even a SB if the team (defense) is good enough. But a QB that can't make it through a 16 game schedule can't be counted on to lead you anywhere.

Scooter
11-09-2008, 04:46 PM
protect him better, and take into consideration that the reason he's injured is because of an intent to injure (and resulting fine). brown's a rookie, i'm going to hold my judgement there. center and right guard however are still holes that we need to fill.

The1ApplePie
11-09-2008, 04:49 PM
protect him better, and take into consideration that the reason he's injured is because of an intent to injure (and resulting fine). brown's a rookie, i'm going to hold my judgement there. center and right guard however are still holes that we need to fill.

Schaub dosen't have the toughness to lead an NFL team. He gets nudged and looks like he wants to get pulled from the game.

Vinny
11-09-2008, 04:50 PM
our QB's aren't good enough to NOT run the ball...we don't even try to run the ball. What the hell is Moats doing touching the ball before Slaton? Kubiak is a rotten game day coach....good coordinator, bad game planner.

Corrosion
11-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know , I've heard some negative things about Tebow ..... but I'd take over anything on the Texans roster about now .... He's a gamer and doesnt make stupid mistakes. Watching him in the pocket / in traffic continually make plays ..... I wonder where he falls in the draft order


Wouldnt mind seeing Graham Harrell either ..... probably pick him up in the middle rounds.

Vinny
11-09-2008, 04:52 PM
You know , I've heard some negative things about Tebow ..... but I'd take over anything on the Texans roster about now .... He's a gamer and doesnt make stupid mistakes. Watching him in the pocket / in traffic continually make plays ..... I wonder where he falls in the draft order


Wouldnt mind seeing Graham Harrell either ..... probably pick him up in the middle rounds.
Tebow is Bucky Richardson on roids.

texasguy346
11-09-2008, 04:53 PM
our QB's aren't good enough to NOT run the ball...we don't even try to run the ball. What the hell is Moats doing touching the ball before Slaton? Kubiak is a rotten game day coach....good coordinator, bad game planner.

I kept looking for Slaton too. Did he get injured or something? After his big play for a would be TD got called back for holding I didn't see him much on the field. It was mostly Green & Moats.

Runner
11-09-2008, 05:02 PM
Speaking of quarterbacks and running backs, the Titans won today with a total of 22 yards on 24 carries from their running backs. That is slightly over 0.9 yards/carry. Their game-managing quarterback and poor receivers carried the day. (Please try to ignore that I used the Titans as an example).

Which leads us right to the o-line. A solid o-line is also a requirement for a resilient team, and the Texans are no closer to one now than they were five years ago. Amazing.

Of course, their defense is at about its lowest level ever too...



This isn't going to be easy to fix.

Norg
11-09-2008, 05:05 PM
I agree lets give NAll a chance next week !!!! MUHAHAHAH

Vinny
11-09-2008, 05:05 PM
Speaking of quarterbacks and running backs, the Titans won today with a total of 22 yards on 24 carries from their running backs. That is slightly over 0.9 yards/carry. Their game-managing quarterback and poor receivers carried the day. (Please try to ignore that I used the Titans as an example).

Which leads us right to the o-line. A solid o-line is also a requirement for a resilient team, and the Texans are no closer to one now than they were five years ago. Amazing.

Of course, their defense is at about its lowest level ever too...



This isn't going to be easy to fix.One of the other big differences in the teams is that Fisher is a top notch game day coach...he understands stuff like strategy and keeping your team in the game till you find a situation that favors you so that you can win the game.

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 05:07 PM
our QB's aren't good enough to NOT run the ball...we don't even try to run the ball. What the hell is Moats doing touching the ball before Slaton? Kubiak is a rotten game day coach....good coordinator, bad game planner.

I was thinking Slaton got hurt. He rushed the ball something like 4 times today.

If Slaton was not hurt today than I am going to find Kubiak and roshambo him. Both for Slaton and my FF team.

Runner
11-09-2008, 05:07 PM
One of the other big differences in the teams is that Fisher is a top notch game day coach...he understands stuff like strategy and keeping your team in the game till you find a situation that favors you so that you can win the game.

Yeah...Fisher knows what he's doing.

Norg
11-09-2008, 05:08 PM
Your on your own on that one....... David Carr was horrilbe and is what he deserves to be. A career backup.....just like Sage.


and Matt

Heck at this point tho even david carr was better then this at least he could muster up 6 to 7 wins a season

TEXANRED
11-09-2008, 05:11 PM
Yeah...Fisher knows what he's doing.

Fisher is a damn good coach. One of the best the game has seen. He is an example of a coach that gets more from less.

Hopefully he retires after the Titans win the superbowl this year.

Honoring Earl 34
11-09-2008, 05:13 PM
Speaking of quarterbacks and running backs, the Titans won today with a total of 22 yards on 24 carries from their running backs. That is slightly over 0.9 yards/carry. Their game-managing quarterback and poor receivers carried the day. (Please try to ignore that I used the Titans as an example).

Which leads us right to the o-line. A solid o-line is also a requirement for a resilient team, and the Texans are no closer to one now than they were five years ago. Amazing.

Of course, their defense is at about its lowest level ever too...



This isn't going to be easy to fix.

The funny thing is we have 2nd , 3rd , and a 1st , on our OL . We have three 1st round picks on our DL . They are both below average .

I think Kubiak's biggest flaw is he can't get top notch coaches . His guys haven't produced a good product plus what we thought was three good drafts ... aren't panning out .

TexansFight
11-09-2008, 08:18 PM
Well the Texans used to run a bootleg with another quarterback who could take a hit and ocassionally run it in...but for some reason he was run out of town. hmmmmmm what was his name......i believe his is a back up on the giants.. Cmon tell me you wouldnt want his fire and intensity on the team again...... he was a leader..till the rest of the team and fans betrayed him and we are stuck wiht these two schmucks.... well H-town you got what you asked for... as for me.......


I WANT DAVID CARR BACK!!!!!!!

Dude you just went full retard here. Back away from the keyboard. David Carr is GARBAGE and always was GARBAGE.

Runner
11-09-2008, 08:22 PM
Dude you just went full retard here. Back away from the keyboard. David Carr is GARBAGE and always was GARBAGE.

He was also more beloved here than Kubiak and Schaub put together.* There is a message there somewhere about how great our current team might seem looking back from 2012.


*I realize no one here on this board could have possibly been part of that, so save the keystrokes that would be used for denials.

TheCD
11-09-2008, 08:25 PM
and Matt

Heck at this point tho even david carr was better then this at least he could muster up 6 to 7 wins a season

Carr averaged 4.8 wins per year.


Just saying....

TheCD
11-09-2008, 08:27 PM
Speaking of past players...


Were Ron Dayne still here the 1-yard line would have been an automatic TD for him.


Just saying...

beerlover
11-09-2008, 08:28 PM
apparently Kubiak has a man crush on another QB :heart: ironic he was the 18th pick.

(on how frustrating it is to see rookie QB Joe Flacco go four games without losing and the Texans' quarterbacks are struggling) “The kid is playing good. He is a good-looking young man. He has a big arm and a great presence about him moving around. If he keeps playing that way, that football team could go a long way because they have great games on the defensive side of the ball and I am very impressed with the young man.”

hradhak
11-09-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm not sure that I can blame Kubiak for the preparation issue. His playcalling, while not being exceptional has been ok. I think Kubiak does make stupid gameday calls, but those INTs were what lost us the game and they were all on Rosenfels. Does Kubes need to coach better, yeah. But this game was so lopsided because of Rosenfels alone.

Corrosion
11-09-2008, 08:43 PM
I'm not sure that I can blame Kubiak for the preparation issue. His playcalling, while not being exceptional has been ok. I think Kubiak does make stupid gameday calls, but those INTs were what lost us the game and they were all on Rosenfels. Does Kubes need to coach better, yeah. But this game was so lopsided because of Rosenfels alone.

Its hard as hell to win when you turn the ball over that much .... in the past 11 quarters of play Rosencoptor has 8 turnovers (and one other fumble that was recovered by the Texans). Those are numbers that are nearly impossible to overcome.


What I'd like to see in the next draft is the Texans take the best prospect available somewhere around the 3rd or 4th rounds at the QB spot to play behind Schaub for a year or two ..... Also picking up some top tier talent along the interior OL would be a huge help , Chris Myers and Mike Brisiel just arent talented enough to start ....

BigBull17
11-10-2008, 07:16 AM
How in the hell was that INT a bad play call? Sage just flat didn't pay attention to the fact that Ngata slid out to disrupt the passing lane. There is NO FREAKING WAY that was a bad play call by Kubiak. Give me a friggin' break.

Yeah, and if he puts air on the ball, its an easy TD. However, with a team that turns the ball over at an alarming rate, you HAVE to run the ball on 1st and goal from the 1.

cowbellm00
11-10-2008, 08:44 AM
Yeah, and if he puts air on the ball, its an easy TD. However, with a team that turns the ball over at an alarming rate, you HAVE to run the ball on 1st and goal from the 1.

completly correct. isn't it called the law of statistics or something. if you have 1st & goal from the 1, run the ball 4 times. the stats say you'll get your 6pts, and even if you don't they start inside their own 5 and probably wont drive the field. much better than throwing yet ANOTHER int!

txchick1971
11-10-2008, 08:48 AM
Its hard as hell to win when you turn the ball over that much .... in the past 11 quarters of play Rosencoptor has 8 turnovers (and one other fumble that was recovered by the Texans). Those are numbers that are nearly impossible to overcome.


yeah....ask Morton Ranch Mavericks in Katy about that :challenge

GP
11-10-2008, 09:31 AM
You know , I've heard some negative things about Tebow ..... but I'd take over anything on the Texans roster about now .... He's a gamer and doesnt make stupid mistakes. Watching him in the pocket / in traffic continually make plays ..... I wonder where he falls in the draft order


Wouldnt mind seeing Graham Harrell either ..... probably pick him up in the middle rounds.

I mentioned this in another thread: Let's throw the bank at Mike Leach and get the Run-N-Shoot back in Houston. Draft Harrell, too.

We drafted a spread offense RB (Slaton) already and we have firepower at WR and TE. David Anderson would OWN in that type of offense.

Slaughterhouse 5: AJ, Walter, Andre Davis, Jacoby Jones, Anderson and then a little bit of Owen Daniels just to pour salt into the wounds of defenses.

dalemurphy
11-10-2008, 09:49 AM
Kubiak for some reason or another has no confidence in Slaton. At the 1 yard line, you have three chances to run it 1 yard, and you choose to pass? It doesn't make sense to me. At least it does to you.

It was a perfect call. Sage had time and OD was wide open in the end zone. You can't playcall out of fear- particularly early in the game. There are three main problems causing all these turnovers:

1. Our run game is inconsistant due to weak line play at center and rg
2. We have to score 30 points per game to win which creates pressure in the passing game.
3. Sage is a backup QB and shouldn't be asked to throw anywhere near 40 passes against a great defense...

BigWig
11-10-2008, 09:50 AM
I mentioned this in another thread: Let's throw the bank at Mike Leach and get the Run-N-Shoot back in Houston. Draft Harrell, too.

We drafted a spread offense RB (Slaton) already and we have firepower at WR and TE. David Anderson would OWN in that type of offense.

Slaughterhouse 5: AJ, Walter, Andre Davis, Jacoby Jones, Anderson and then a little bit of Owen Daniels just to pour salt into the wounds of defenses.

Sounds like fun but you got to have somebody block for a QB and WR combo like that.

jerek
11-10-2008, 09:52 AM
FWIW.. i think it's both of their faults...i mean at least try to pound it in 1 down. If you're not successful against a top run defense...then you play action pass. For sage's part, he should've saw Ngata & lobbed it over his head but he didn't.

There's actually not even anything wrong with passing on 1st and 1 at the goalline ... it was the fact the Sage is a mistake-prone QB going against a top-ranked defense and we had 3, maybe even 4, downs to get one yard. Our line isn't that bad and neither is Slaton, Green or for that matter Leach. Hell, I'd trust Sage to sneak the ball over the top before I trust him to make a good drop-back throw.

I'm also a fan of play action-bootlegs that close to the end zone ... at least get the QB moving so he'll stretch the defense and has the option to run it in if necessary. Dropping Sage back in the pocket there is just dumb.

dalemurphy
11-10-2008, 10:00 AM
There's actually not even anything wrong with passing on 1st and 1 at the goalline ... it was the fact the Sage is a mistake-prone QB going against a top-ranked defense and we had 3, maybe even 4, downs to get one yard. Our line isn't that bad and neither is Slaton, Green or for that matter Leach. Hell, I'd trust Sage to sneak the ball over the top before I trust him to make a good drop-back throw.

I'm also a fan of play action-bootlegs that close to the end zone ... at least get the QB moving so he'll stretch the defense and has the option to run it in if necessary. Dropping Sage back in the pocket there is just dumb.


Yeah, what could possibly go wrong by booting Sage out in open space?? I can't imagine!

New_Texans
11-10-2008, 01:04 PM
...is sage really gonna start the next 3 games????????

hes a pick machine. at least schaub gets us points.